Why do people hate islam?

[BADecker]

Where do you get your story that says the prophet is a violent person?

I would fill this thread with so many quotes that the database would crash!
Just read the Hadeeth and Quran...  

Can you bring one or two quotes?
I was looking at some of your posts in this thread, you were saying foul things about Islam. It is not the Islam I am thought and brought up with. Bring proof of what you are talking about Islam if it is the truth.

Hate is a bad thing. It corrupts the hearts and minds of those who entertain (use, do) it. But in the case of Islam, hate is totally appropriate.

That is straight up bigotry.

We really need to stop hating each other because of our differences in religion, beliefs or anything. And just because some groups are doing atrocities, it is not justifiable to hate other people that are not involved or their beliefs. There are many issues in our lives that can be solved if we work together and put our differences aside. The money masters that are bringing corruption to this world are chilling right now and they love having people hating and fighting each other instead of them. It will be hard to bring change as they have so much control in the society including governments but if we are going to be divisive nothing can be changed.

Hate of people may be bigotry. But hate of their religion might be appropriate and right, if that is the way you feel about it.

The idea of Christianity is to love all people, but to hate anything that turns the people away from the true God.

It is true that hatred of anything corrupts the person and weakens his life. But, it still happens.

[BCEmporium]

Surely:

Assassinations:

Narrated Al-Bara bin Azib: Allah's Apostle sent a group of persons to Abu Rafi. Abdullah bin Atik entered his house at night, while he was sleeping, and killed him.
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:370

Robbery:

Abu Sufyan and the horsemen of the Quraysh were returning from Syria following the coastal road. When Allah’s Apostle heard about them he called his companions together and told them of the wealth they had with them and the fewness of their numbers. The Muslims set out with no other object than Sufyan and the men with him. They did not think that this raid would be anything other than easy booty.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 29

Barbaric torture and killings:

Narrated Anas: The Prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of 'Uraina and did not cauterise (their bleeding limbs) till they died.
Sahih Bukhari 8:82:795

Mercilessness to the disabled:

When a blind Jew became aware of the presence of the Messenger and the Muslims he rose and threw dust in their faces, saying, ‘Even if you are a prophet, I will not allow you into my garden!’ I was told that he took a handful of dirt and said, ‘If only I knew that I would not hit anyone else, Muhammad, I would throw it in your face.’ Sa’d rushed in and hit him on the head with his bow and split the Jew’s head open.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 112, See Also Ishaq:372

Need more? There are THOUSANDS! Muhammad was but a violent psychopath suffering from schizophrenia.

[Spendulus]

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Need more? There are THOUSANDS! Muhammad was but a violent psychopath suffering from schizophrenia.

Sure, but you can do this because you read the book.

Isn't it said that Muslims should only read the "Holy Book" in the original language, which most do not know.  They memorize and recite verses that the cannot understand, because they do not know the language.  Since they must not read the book in other languages, the only actual knowledge they would have of it is from the local mullah?

This seems to be an extremely problematic premise for a culture.  It is very reminiscent of the "Latin Mass" of Catholics, now abandoned.

That would make a population very subject to the whim and caprice of a bad mullah.

[BCEmporium]

That's a very nice excuse, EXCEPT that what we call "Arabic" wasn't invented up to IX Century in current Yemen.
So the excuse that you should read a book, originally written in Assyrian, dictated by the VII Century in Arabic is a bold point.

[Spendulus]

That's a very nice excuse, EXCEPT that what we call "Arabic" wasn't invented up to IX Century in current Yemen.
So the excuse that you should read a book, originally written in Assyrian, dictated by the VII Century in Arabic is a bold point.

Sort of true, but that's no different than claiming "The King James Bible" is the real one.  Of course it's true if you consider a lineage of men whom "God Spoke Through" literally, then any production ordained and proclaimed as "The Word of God" is internally consistent with the belief system.  So your complain comes from left field, outside the belief system, and can't be considered by one within it.

Me, I'm clearly an infidel and a non-believer, so nothing I said would be considered truthful, or something like that. 

[BCEmporium]

So you suggest that because they are irrational we rather not put any rationality into them.
Would be nice if you can build a high wall and not let any of them pass then...

[Spendulus]

So you suggest that because they are irrational we rather not put any rationality into them.
Would be nice if you can build a high wall and not let any of them pass then...

No, I am only pointing out the weakness of your argument about the "True and Untrue Language of the Holy Book" is not one that a Muslim would think was valid.

And that because they can't read the book in the language as they only may, functional illiteracy as the the actual content of the book may predominate, being usurped by "Islam as we know it and teach it". 

If that makes sense.

[BCEmporium]

The "language of the book" is a void point, as it was later inserted into it. Makes no sense to point Arabic for Islam when it was originally written in Assyrian, as doesn't make sense for the Bible to be in Latin when it was originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.
So at some point these books needed to be and were translated from the original sources.

If they don't want to understand that...

[Spendulus]

The "language of the book" is a void point, as it was later inserted into it. Makes no sense to point Arabic for Islam when it was originally written in Assyrian, as doesn't make sense for the Bible to be in Latin when it was originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.
So at some point these books needed to be and were translated from the original sources.

If they don't want to understand that...

Does not matter, because the Word of God is to be faithful, to do that one must not read the Book except in the Arabic, which one does cannot read, hence illiteracy rules.  Your words can't be trusted, since you are one who read it not in Arabic.

The belief system is internally self consistent.

[BCEmporium]

Side note: You are assuming I can't read or understand Arabic for any reason?

Secondly, the Hadith are not the "Word of God", they are Mo's biography.

[BADecker]

The "language of the book" is a void point, as it was later inserted into it. Makes no sense to point Arabic for Islam when it was originally written in Assyrian, as doesn't make sense for the Bible to be in Latin when it was originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.
So at some point these books needed to be and were translated from the original sources.

If they don't want to understand that...

Does not matter, because the Word of God is to be faithful, to do that one must not read the Book except in the Arabic, which one does cannot read, hence illiteracy rules.  Your words can't be trusted, since you are one who read it not in Arabic.

The belief system is internally self consistent.

Why can't translator's translate faithfully? They can. But a valid objection has to do with understanding Middle Eastern concepts.

[Biomech]

i think we are not hate that religion , but we hate bad people / organization who hide behind that religion to make a mess in this world

I hate religion. No, let me rephrase that. I hate organized religion. A belief system held to oneself or imediate family that harms no other, I got no real problem with. Even if it's anti reality or just plain silly, it harms me not. Or as Thomas Jefferson said it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs.

But when two nasty elements come together, as they do in relgious organization(s), it gets ugly. Those elements being the lust for power and the claim of ultimate authority. Most religions, I daresay all religious organizations, have a greater or lesser degree of these elements. I actually tend to single out Christianity as it has had the greatest personal detriment to me. Islam is no different in that.

The most rabid fundamentalist is harmless without backers, followers, and sycophants. Religion breeds 'em like rabbits.

[Spendulus]

Side note: You are assuming I can't read or understand Arabic for any reason?

Secondly, the Hadith are not the "Word of God", they are Mo's biography.

Good point, I guess I was assuming that. 

However, do you agree with my comments about the structure of an "internally consistent belief set?"

It's not a question of "is it right?" but "Is that how it works in Islam?"

[BADecker]

i think we are not hate that religion , but we hate bad people / organization who hide behind that religion to make a mess in this world

I hate religion. No, let me rephrase that. I hate organized religion. A belief system held to oneself or imediate family that harms no other, I got no real problem with. Even if it's anti reality or just plain silly, it harms me not. Or as Thomas Jefferson said it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs.

But when two nasty elements come together, as they do in relgious organization(s), it gets ugly. Those elements being the lust for power and the claim of ultimate authority. Most religions, I daresay all religious organizations, have a greater or lesser degree of these elements. I actually tend to single out Christianity as it has had the greatest personal detriment to me. Islam is no different in that.

The most rabid fundamentalist is harmless without backers, followers, and sycophants. Religion breeds 'em like rabbits.

Remember, the origin of Christianity was just one guy, who gathered around Himself a dozen disciples. He didn't even go after people. His start was simply trying to help out at a wedding when He turned water into wine. It was the people seeking Him out, after than, that started the religion. It was a bunch of people - a good segment of the nation of ancient Israel - who sought Him out to make Him their King and religious leader. Where do yo draw the line?

[Biomech]

i think we are not hate that religion , but we hate bad people / organization who hide behind that religion to make a mess in this world

I hate religion. No, let me rephrase that. I hate organized religion. A belief system held to oneself or imediate family that harms no other, I got no real problem with. Even if it's anti reality or just plain silly, it harms me not. Or as Thomas Jefferson said it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs.

But when two nasty elements come together, as they do in relgious organization(s), it gets ugly. Those elements being the lust for power and the claim of ultimate authority. Most religions, I daresay all religious organizations, have a greater or lesser degree of these elements. I actually tend to single out Christianity as it has had the greatest personal detriment to me. Islam is no different in that.

The most rabid fundamentalist is harmless without backers, followers, and sycophants. Religion breeds 'em like rabbits.

Remember, the origin of Christianity was just one guy, who gathered around Himself a dozen disciples. He didn't even go after people. His start was simply trying to help out at a wedding when He turned water into wine. It was the people seeking Him out, after than, that started the religion. It was a bunch of people - a good segment of the nation of ancient Israel - who sought Him out to make Him their King and religious leader. Where do yo draw the line?

Actually, as near as we can determine, it was started (in a way) by the one sect of Judaism NOT specifically named and called out in the Christian scriptures: The Essenes. There is no good evidence that Yeheshua Ben Yusef actually ever existed, though it's a common enough name for the time. But the precepts are exactly Essene, and many essene writings of the time and a bit before are directly in line with early Christianity.

And I draw the line at provable reality AND harm to others. Not a very wide line.

[BADecker]

i think we are not hate that religion , but we hate bad people / organization who hide behind that religion to make a mess in this world

I hate religion. No, let me rephrase that. I hate organized religion. A belief system held to oneself or imediate family that harms no other, I got no real problem with. Even if it's anti reality or just plain silly, it harms me not. Or as Thomas Jefferson said it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs.

But when two nasty elements come together, as they do in relgious organization(s), it gets ugly. Those elements being the lust for power and the claim of ultimate authority. Most religions, I daresay all religious organizations, have a greater or lesser degree of these elements. I actually tend to single out Christianity as it has had the greatest personal detriment to me. Islam is no different in that.

The most rabid fundamentalist is harmless without backers, followers, and sycophants. Religion breeds 'em like rabbits.

Remember, the origin of Christianity was just one guy, who gathered around Himself a dozen disciples. He didn't even go after people. His start was simply trying to help out at a wedding when He turned water into wine. It was the people seeking Him out, after than, that started the religion. It was a bunch of people - a good segment of the nation of ancient Israel - who sought Him out to make Him their King and religious leader. Where do yo draw the line?

Actually, as near as we can determine, it was started (in a way) by the one sect of Judaism NOT specifically named and called out in the Christian scriptures: The Essenes. There is no good evidence that Yeheshua Ben Yusef actually ever existed, though it's a common enough name for the time. But the precepts are exactly Essene, and many essene writings of the time and a bit before are directly in line with early Christianity.

And I draw the line at provable reality AND harm to others. Not a very wide line.

Don't we have writings from both Pontious Pilate and whichever Caesar was ruling at the time of Jesus' death, that describe Him as being blonde?

[BCEmporium]

Don't we have writings from both Pontious Pilate and whichever Caesar was ruling at the time of Jesus' death, that describe Him as being blonde?

No, we don't... before 300 a.D. there's zip references to Jesus from the Roman authorities. Other than killing early Christians since around 70 a.D., but that's another thing, and doesn't equal to evidence of whatever is stated in the bible.

[BADecker]

Don't we have writings from both Pontious Pilate and whichever Caesar was ruling at the time of Jesus' death, that describe Him as being blonde?

No, we don't... before 300 a.D. there's zip references to Jesus from the Roman authorities. Other than killing early Christians since around 70 a.D., but that's another thing, and doesn't equal to evidence of whatever is stated in the bible.

Good. You checked it out then. Because I had read this, but I never checked it in detail.

Thanks.

[r3c4ll]

Religions...

[BADecker]

Religions...

There are things you do religiously. Some of them are habits. Some of them you do at the same time everyday. Some of them you think about; some of them you don't. Together they comprise your personal religion.