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February 14, 2016, 12:19:33 PM
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The main website doesnt look good, It have some lines that looks lines for cuts with scissors, Sorry. A better design could help more. Embarrassed

I would agree with this.  Embarrassed
Me too. It looks like websites from early 2000s.
BTW, where is a working URL to checking node status ? It was in the blockchain before, but it's not accessible anymore from there.
https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=nodecheck
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February 14, 2016, 06:09:16 PM
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The forging is very desigual, someone is trying a hardfork?


Hey, thanks for posting that.
Forging should be more spread out and balanced now.
( After 1440 blocks Smiley )
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February 16, 2016, 05:11:28 AM
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https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=account&id=2278976737951045558              regular payment  %  completed  ?    Sad

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February 17, 2016, 10:37:25 AM
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I found an "oops" - http://i.imgur.com/3brhFh3.png -
some namespace collision in the browser memory?

Nothing mission-critical, still ... TODO for a next version?

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February 17, 2016, 01:35:28 PM
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Nothing going on with Horizon now. I thought it was something planned at the end of the distribution. Marketing, new assets or something.
Pizpie has promised an update to the end of the last week, but nothing happens again. Angry
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February 17, 2016, 03:07:55 PM
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And another one ... (today I am in bug finding reward mood, seemingly.)

... this time the BlockExplorer:

--> http://i.imgur.com/RzRQ2i1.png
20160217_BlockExplorer_unconfirmed-TX_wrong-blocktime.png

2080 years ago

:-)


... while unconfirmed. Now it looks correct.

(I have encouraged -and I am helping- someone to port a neat little tool to HZ ... stay tuned, we are debugging)


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February 18, 2016, 01:24:48 AM
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Nothing going on with Horizon now. I thought it was something planned at the end of the distribution. Marketing, new assets or something.
Pizpie has promised an update to the end of the last week, but nothing happens again. Angry

If it's taken you this long to figure out that this was a scam, then I'm sorry. Devs are doing other things. Piz is on that FOREX and popping in here and there to maintain slight buying of their bags until it goes to 0. HZ is a dead horse.
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February 18, 2016, 01:27:55 AM
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Nothing going on with Horizon now. I thought it was something planned at the end of the distribution. Marketing, new assets or something.
Pizpie has promised an update to the end of the last week, but nothing happens again. Angry

If it's taken you this long to figure out that this was a scam, then I'm sorry. Devs are doing other things. Piz is on that FOREX and popping in here and there to maintain slight buying of their bags until it goes to 0. HZ is a dead horse.
I mean, look at even the quality of the website! You can put that thing together in a day via Go Daddy website builder. Don't even get me started on the exchange. This whole thing was a massive joke. We all fell for it.
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February 18, 2016, 07:16:38 PM
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2080 years ago

:-)


lol altsheets, you must be an ancient one by the looks of it. hehe

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February 18, 2016, 07:49:08 PM
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Trolls want to buy in even lower ...  Cheesy

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Trolls want to buy in even lower ...  Cheesy

It's not trolling. It's reality. Call me what you want. Project is dead.
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February 19, 2016, 03:10:47 AM
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Dead.... sorry you got stuck with this one Andres.

                                 
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February 19, 2016, 02:50:40 PM
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Trolls want to buy in even lower ...  Cheesy

It's not trolling. It's reality. Call me what you want. Project is dead.

Don't worry I will buy your hz ;-)

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February 19, 2016, 08:45:16 PM
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Repost from Slack:

Hey guys, just wanted to give an update on the project, address some things, and give my own opinion on some others through an administrators view:

I'm still here, but as Michael mentioned, we have had constant pleas for people / community to get involved or show some interest other than just watching the price and expecting it to go up without any work.  I thought things were pretty clear in the last update on what direction HZ was taking at the moment.

Things that are on the horizon are getting Blocknet released, and all the participating networks linked up. Technically this is still on schedule according to the road map that was released at ICO, and the Slack is very active both from the community, and the developers.  Projects of this size, and ambition take time, money and people resources.

Altsheetsdev and another guy on the forums have been creating a lot of tools for the community to use,  and altsheets has offered to expand his development  to whatever needs people want (good for asset creators).  Again with this, the community has not been vocal in what they want, or have what they want.

I have been following the  ADsactly project / asset more closely and they have been making a lot of progress with growing, and are getting ready for their official launch.  Their numbers look good, and they actually have all the right pieces ( financially and the right people) to really drive traffic. I think if more people knew about how it works, they would see the potential and want to get involved. They will have their official announcement soon!

I agree that announcing things that are in the works, and not completed isn't the best practice, but as you can see in the forum history, people hate it. when you don't say something. So you give them dates, and God forbid you are even an hour late, or prepare to face the wrath of the internet.. It gets held above your head forever, and I don't think it's good for any developer. The fact of the manner is that a lot of crypto devs, not just with HZ work on these projects on top of their normal jobs - and normally do so for very little compensation, compared to what the work actually would cost in another business environment.

Now that I am not announcing anything until its completed, everyone is asking for announcements and  think the project is dead and nothing is happening. There is no pleasing everyone here. Any project that has been announced, has always been, and is been worked on. Of course there have been delays and problems to solve, but things have always moved forward. Again, it's easy to forget that you are dealing with a lot of different people, working in different teams, and speaking different languages, as everyone is spread out around the world. Time zones become something you need to think about and factor in.

Have there been major NXT updates? We told the community that the client would not receive new features, unique to HZ because people don't use them...If NXT wants to keep building their features out, that is great, and we will make updates to the client if there is something that can be an asset to the platform, and something people are interested in using.

Of course, everything is a matter of perspective, and you can only form that perspective on what you see, and what you know. The inner workings of a long standing project, as is Horizon are made possible by a small amount of people, devoting a lot of their own time and money. There have been plenty of technical, and social problems that have risen and fallen in the past, and I believe if it weren't for that continued effort by people, the project could have failed to exist more than once in the past year and a half.

So as a summary of the key points:
Horizon - Not dead.
Developments that have been previously announced (without dates) are still alive and moving forward.
Participation between the community and development team is focused on slack, and you can (and  always have been) able to reach people on Slack.
We have received little response from people in the foundation, but the foundation is still there, and any  requests are voted on there.
Team is active, just not announcing anything unless its finished.
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February 21, 2016, 12:02:30 PM
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Horizon Coins and other Coins in the World of Crypto need to Spread out to people all over the world especially AFRICA they are all tired of the Centralized BANKS
Printing money out of thin air and loaning it to the Corporate Infrastructure of the Country at Interest which than in turn loans the Centralized Bank Notes to the Central Banks
which than loan it to the Smaller Banks ALL at Interest.

Last time I check Printing Money out of Thin Air is Illegal and complete Unlawful to say the least.

Anyways that is my 2 cents for what its worth.

We are going to start being more active in the Bitcoin Talk Community now because we are ready to
show the world exactly what we have been developing over the past several years!

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February 23, 2016, 12:29:28 AM
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HZ assets - how to pay dividends

I am sharing my learning, with trying out the new dividendPayment function.

Now, with the new HZ 5.4, we can finally send ("type": 2, "subtype": 6) = dividends transactions.

I am using http://localhost:7776/test?requestTag=AE --> dividendPayment

These fields must be filled in - otherwise it won't get accepted:

* asset:
* height:
* amountNQTPerQNT:
* secretPhrase:
* feeNQT:
* deadline:

( for the meaning of those, read the NXT wiki API chapter 'Dividend_Payment'  )

I have chosen to also fill in these fields:

* message:   
* messageIsText:   
* messageIsPrunable:

When submitting, this message appeared:
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nxt.NxtException$NotValidException: Invalid dividend payment sender or amount

I suppose the only sender that is allowed to send dividends - is the issuer herself?
I had tried to send from a different account. Good to know.


So ... from here on using the issuer's secretPhrase ...

For the fun of it, I've tried to send more than I had on that account, and I got this message:
Code:
"Double spending or insufficient balance"



Then finally, the real payment, the form looks like this



Note the amountNQTPerQNT = 20000.

That is my decision how much dividends I'd like to share.

NQT and QNT are the smallest possible amounts of HZ, and the asset.
The maths goes like this:

As this is an asset with ("decimals": 4), so

    1.0000 asset = 10000 QNT

and always

    1.00000000 HZ = 100000000 NQT

the decision

    20000 NQT per 1 QNT

means that per 1.0000 asset the shareholder will get

    20000 NQT * 10000 QNTper1Asset / 100000000 NQTperHZ = 2.00000000 HZ

so

    2 HZ per 1 asset


 Wink ... I know ...  Cheesy

I suggest you make a spreadsheet for yourself, to grasp that fully.

And for the future, it is probably the easiest to only issue assets with ("decimals": 0)    Grin

(If you are unsure, first making a test payment of amountNQTPerQNT=1 might be a good idea too).



Anyways, now I got this result:

Code:

{
    "signatureHash": "f24c3f25f630e49156e262470e5ff4efb77875bab2a58235a4a1337c59542ddb",
    "transactionJSON": {
        "senderPublicKey": "2f57ed957453207b926c8466944856d9e32f89142f327d9e25fb9dbf9788f512",
        "signature": "a17646e2513cc4660b17c6033d57d61a41983d636890f156d72590645bda5101ecc7d9f1a2b958cda5271f9dd240ea1b7dc0f9ef419bd911f74cf7a153826531",
        "feeNQT": "400000000",
        "type": 2,
        "fullHash": "03dd878056de5181499ce33431183c50901b87c7548d0dc421472d6cf475345f",
        "version": 1,
        "phased": false,
        "ecBlockId": "3918513165099572430",
        "signatureHash": "f24c3f25f630e49156e262470e5ff4efb77875bab2a58235a4a1337c59542ddb",
        "attachment": {
            "version.Message": 1,
            "version.DividendPayment": 1,
            "amountNQTPerQNT": "20000",
            "messageIsText": true,
            "asset": "5903523947573024709",
            "message": "testing dividendPayment",
            "height": 580366
        },
        "senderRS": "NHZ-VJ23-6K9N-33Z2-4DHQV",
        "subtype": 6,
        "amountNQT": "0",
        "sender": "3303930342834814977",
        "ecBlockHeight": 580364,
        "deadline": 60,
        "transaction": "9318473567111208195",
        "timestamp": 60655008,
        "height": 2147483647
    },
    "unsignedTransactionBytes": "---LONG HEX STRING---",
    "broadcasted": true,
    "requestProcessingTime": 38,
    "transactionBytes": ""---LONG HEX STRING---",
    "fullHash": "03dd878056de5181499ce33431183c50901b87c7548d0dc421472d6cf475345f",
    "transaction": "9318473567111208195"
}


which is the transaction 9318473567111208195.


As I had extracted the balances of all accounts before the dividends payment,
and after ... I can show you the effects in this final picture:



As all 3 shareholders together are holding (green columns)
28.8609 assets (= 288609 QNT), with our above calculation we would expect that
2 HZ * 28.8609 = 57.7218 HZ are paid out (difference of the red columns before/after)
- and that is really the case (see orange column); plus
4 HZ chosen manually for the fees.

After the payment, the issuer account's balance is 61.7218 HZ lower.


And now, comparing the quantityQNT and the amountNQT that was paid,
we are getting the purple colum ... and there is the 20000 again.

I think I've understood it. Explaining it to others ... is a good way to go.

And you?
                :-)


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February 23, 2016, 01:10:25 PM
 #2757

There is a big drawback, however:

   The shareholder probably doesn't notice!

I have now searched my whole wallet,
and I could not find a single trace of the dividends payment.

Apart from the increased balance, of course.
Looks like a miraculously grown precious :-)


So ... perhaps there is additional need for communication?

It could look like this:

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   Dear shareholder of asset "beautiful",

    you might not have noticed, but in HZ block 580370
    your balance jumped up by 42 HZ, to then 68.10408183 HZ.

    That happened because in block 580366 you were holding
    21.0000 shares (50%) of asset 5903523947573024709, and
    the issuer decided to pay dividends, 2 HZ per 1.0000 asset.

    The dividendPayment was transaction 9318473567111208195, see
    explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=transaction&id=9318473567111208195
    included in block 580370. The total amount was 57.7218 HZ plus fees.

    Enjoy your life
    :-)


Does anyone know if a newer version of NXT is showing dividendsPayments to the payee?
The we would get that with a future update of HZ, anyways.

If not, it would be worthwhile to put work into my shareholders.py and create the above messages.



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February 23, 2016, 10:35:31 PM
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Assets and Dividends information, anyone?

Another interesting addition to our world here ... would be a webpage dedicated to dividends information.

I see many options:

  • simply as a condition on page=transaction&id=9318473567111208195 that recognizes ("type": 2, "subtype": 6) transactions, and then presents the data in the "attachment".
  • or as separate page page=dividends&transaction=9318473567111208195 that calls the same page, but manually
  • or even page=dividends&asset=5903523947573024709 with all dividends for that asset, ever?

  • and/or if you, @Emerger, are interested, perhaps your great http://hzcharts.coin.emergate.net site could search for ("type": 2, "subtype": 6) transactions, and present them alongside the assets?

  • Also, I don't know if you heard it, but Kushti is giving up his excellent SAE http://trade.secureae.com - and rumors said he'd be opening his source code. So perhaps someone is interested in (issuing an asset to collect money for) porting that great site to HZ?

  • I don't know who has experiences with plugins yet, and how easily they can be ported to HZ - but Testdruif has created a plugin "Dividend Details" which is presenting such information inside the wallet.

  • Plus, of course: your idea  Wink

Greetings!

 Smiley



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February 24, 2016, 02:41:59 PM
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Assets and Dividends information, anyone?

Another interesting addition to our world here ... would be a webpage dedicated to dividends information.

I see many options:

  • simply as a condition on page=transaction&id=9318473567111208195 that recognizes ("type": 2, "subtype": 6) transactions, and then presents the data in the "attachment".
  • or as separate page page=dividends&transaction=9318473567111208195 that calls the same page, but manually
  • or even page=dividends&asset=5903523947573024709 with all dividends for that asset, ever?

  • and/or if you, @Emerger, are interested, perhaps your great http://hzcharts.coin.emergate.net site could search for ("type": 2, "subtype": 6) transactions, and present them alongside the assets?

  • Also, I don't know if you heard it, but Kushti is giving up his excellent SAE http://trade.secureae.com - and rumors said he'd be opening his source code. So perhaps someone is interested in (issuing an asset to collect money for) porting that great site to HZ?

  • I don't know who has experiences with plugins yet, and how easily they can be ported to HZ - but Testdruif has created a plugin "Dividend Details" which is presenting such information inside the wallet.

  • Plus, of course: your idea  Wink

Greetings!

 Smiley



By your suggestion I've added a simple dividend parser to the HZcharts summary page for assets. For example http://hzcharts.coin.emergate.net/?a=getAsset&d=5903523947573024709#assetDividends

Does this look right to you Altsheets? Let me know if I have messed up the decimals Smiley

When searching for relevant dividends I needed to assume that the asset issuer is always the dividend payer (getBlockchainTransactions requires an account) - So I hope that assumption is correct. Otherwise I'm not sure how I can search through the whole blockchain for all dividends relating to an asset. I'll look at all this in more detail as needed.


Does anyone know if a newer version of NXT is showing dividendsPayments to the payee?
The we would get that with a future update of HZ, anyways.

If not, it would be worthwhile to put work into my shareholders.py and create the above messages.

The newer version of NXT has a new page called Account Ledger that does show Dividends. It also includes the getAccountLedger API. Hopefully HZ devs will incorporate these in future.

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February 24, 2016, 03:45:27 PM
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Hey, everyone! Could you look at this PRE-ANN and tell me what you think? It's a project I've been working quietly on for more than a month now.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1349325.0

Feedback much appreciated. Smiley






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