GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[miaviator]

unicoin [1:52 PM] @coldcoiner: Do you have any business/financial relations with J G or GAW in anyway?

coldcoiner[1:51 PM]no i dont have any business relation ship related to tntswap with josh

coldcoiner [1:52 PM] but ones he helped me in one of my other projects which was still not started because merchants are not ready to accept XPY



miaviator [1:51 PM] Is it possible for a customer who deposits coins to tntswap.com to lose those coins through no fault of their own?

coldcoiner [1:52 PM] no coin lose is not possible at any condition



coldcoiner [1:54 PM] 2 legal + me + admin of tntswap + my 2 brothers + and 1 financer



miaviator [2:07 PM] Your company name is "coldcoiner"

miaviator[2:07 PM]Where is it registered?

coldcoiner [2:07 PM] india

[Paul Revere]

Uh oh...


https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/cryptsy/xpybtc

56 BTC on the Buy Book right now.



So, a supposed $1.2 Million coin has a total buy support of $12,000 on the books, which would make it plummet 98% in value. They really need to do something about how the market cap is calculated, that is ridiculous. The coin is worth what people will pay, and right now the entire lot of coins is worth MAYBE ~$15,000-$20,000 in total buy support on all exchanges.

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paycoin2/

Do you know what market cap means? You can't report a "different" market cap, at best they could use different metrics.

Yes, I understand what Market Capitalization means. The way that it is calculated for Crypto coins is not indicative of the actual market value in the slightest. The lazy way that it is currently is done means that if someone creates a coin with 5 Billion premined coins and sells one for $20, the Market Cap would be listed as $100 Billion. This is obviously bullshit. To calculate an actual Market Capitalization value would mean including the amount currently invested, along with available supply, and current market support in the form of Buy Bids, rather than just saying X is the last price one was bought for and multiplying X by the amount of coins in existence.  Get a fucking grip, Ikeboy.

[vObh0n]6W]

Uh oh...


https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/cryptsy/xpybtc

56 BTC on the Buy Book right now.



So, a supposed $1.2 Million coin has a total buy support of $12,000 on the books, which would make it plummet 98% in value. They really need to do something about how the market cap is calculated, that is ridiculous. The coin is worth what people will pay, and right now the entire lot of coins is worth MAYBE ~$15,000-$20,000 in total buy support on all exchanges.

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paycoin2/

Do you know what market cap means? You can't report a "different" market cap, at best they could use different metrics.

Yes, I understand what Market Capitalization means. The way that it is calculated for Crypto coins is not indicative of the actual market value in the slightest. The lazy way that it is currently is done means that if someone creates a coin with 5 Billion premined coins and sells one for $20, the Market Cap would be listed as $100 Billion. This is obviously bullshit. Get a fucking grip, Ikeboy.

Market cap is not supposed to be indicative of a company value.  You need other measures. (See e.g. http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/122314/what-difference-between-market-capitalization-and-market-value.asp)

Also, you're saying that "it's worth what people will pay". Well, there are two sides; you can say it's worth what people will pay, or what people are willing to accept; one will be larger than the market cap, and one under.

These are rather basic concepts in finance, and your criticism is kinda incoherent here. In particular, what you said above about finding another way to calculate the market cap is meaningless.

[Paul Revere]

What the fuck ever, Ikeboy. Have fun playing your asshole semantics games. The fact is that the way Market Capitalization of Crypto currency is done is not at all indicative of what they are actually worth.

[miaviator]

Posting to HashClub.org to warn BTC Lend users:



For those who don't know, BTC Lend was using an old API to link coinbase accounts.  Several customers reported losses in coinbase where users purchased coins from their bank accounts and then withdrew from btc lend.   Carmello of course assured everyone things were fine and no customers would sustain losses...



That earned a ban on hashclub and resulted in this conversation:

hashclub [12:02 AM]

Not a problem. I have a letter going out to Slack on Monday. Also a letter going out to the Paycoin Foundation.

hashclub [12:03 AM]

Code:

No, I'm sending Slack a letter asking them to remove you from here on the basis you are slandering me and my company.

Which inevitably led to this:



Not that Any of this is surprising.

What is interesting is this: https://whois.domaintools.com/hashtalks.org if you visit http://www.hashtalks.org you will be redirected to https://hashclub.org/

Hashtalks uses private registration.  HashClub is registered by the company below.  The street address and company name show up with 332 separate domains so far:

https://reversewhois.domaintools.com/?refine#q=%5B%5B%5B%22whois%22%2C%222%22%2C%22Bullseye+Services%22%5D%2C%5B%22whois%22%2C%222%22%2C%222080+Antelope+Rd%22%5D%2C%5B%22email%22%2C%220%22%2C%22dns%40bullseyeservices.net%22%5D%5D%5D

Domain Name:HASHCLUB.ORG
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Bullseye Services
Registrant Organization: Bullseye Services
Registrant Street: 2080 Antelope Rd
Registrant Street: # 394
Registrant City: White City
Registrant State/Province: Oregon
Registrant Postal Code: 97503
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Phone: +1.8002773240
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:

Domain Name: XPYERR.COM
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Bullseye Services
Registrant Organization: Bullseye Services
Registrant Street: 2080 Antelope Rd
Registrant Street: # 394
Registrant City: White City
Registrant State/Province: Oregon
Registrant Postal Code: 97503
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Phone: +1.8002773240
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:

[Paul Revere]

I am going by memory here, but isn't White City OR just over the border from ID, where a certain known serial Crypto  scammer resides? COINcidence?

Nevermind, White City is over by Medford. I recognized the name, but confused it with Baker City over on the east side of OR. Done a fair amount of gold mining in both of those areas.

[miaviator]

White City.

[miaviator]

Someone mentioned carmelos btc lend email was not working?

https://reversewhois.domaintools.com/?email=998f70a67bde262b43227b6c1da205cf

https://whois.domaintools.com/carmelomilian.com

Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Carmelo Milian
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 8421 Narcoossee Rd
Registrant Street: Apt 9207
Registrant City: Orlando
Registrant State/Province: Florida
Registrant Postal Code: 32827
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Phone: +1.9785876476
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: carmelomillian@hotmail.com

[suchmoon]

Looks like you're banned and shadow banned on talk.paycoin.com too?

https://talk.paycoin.com/profile/miaviator

[Paul Revere]

https://hashtalk.ch/topic/37969/the-death-of-paycoin Archive: https://archive.is/HANJL

Good day to you all,

First let me say that if you came to this thread to see FUD or an annihilation of character, you are mistaken. Nor is this a short clever post to poke fun, make light of, or insult with a quick joke and then a good night. If you have the patience and time to honor me by reading, do so. If not, be blessed and have a great day anyway. What you will read is simply my perspective as a XPY supporter, and potential crypto victim.

The Death of Paycoin - My personal story...

I (and my brothers that began this journey with me) am like many of you here. I trusted in a vision that GAW and Josh laid out and began purchasing very early on--early days of black widows war machines and vault breakers. And throughout the process, something was inevitably wrong with my order. Either it didn't show up, or there was no information on PSU's or we would receive countless hardware errors while mining. In fact, my first two months involved with GAW were essentially a nightmare. After an onsite visit to GAW -- yes we ACTUALLY drove there and saw the facility first hand -- the promise of hashlets was revealed and we were on board.

We poured immense amounts of money and purchased at premium prices. My average hashlet price was over $40 even with all the "great deals" on the market. We had unfortunately missed the legendary $15 primes. And when we purchased we were assured there was a CAF, $20 floor, updates, investors, places to spend XPY, bill pay...it goes on and on and you all know better than I. Obviously you know what happens next in this story. All told, my losses alone approach the 100k mark. And so you know...I am middle class/hard working/honest/never cheat/blue collar man that could have finally built his man cave, finished saving for my son's college tuition, helped countless family members, or saved for my retirement with that money. I am not a millionaire investor with disposable wealth. Now my wife and I are living check to check, looking for honest and fruitful ways to pay down this debt I have accrued without -- get this-- selling a single XPY in order to protect this community and others like me. (How reckless of me would it be to dump and ask you all to stay behind holding the bag...sound familiar?)

So why bring up this story and share some of what I have seen? No, I am not looking for pity nor am I looking for alms.

First I want to make clear that I am in no way an economist, crypto expert or financial specialist. I am a college educated man that tries to think often about anything i am involved with. And I wanted you all to know that I haven't sold a single XPY. Some of you here are experts and can find my XPY addresses and do some digging. You will discover that I am missing some XPY. Ask Pex Peppers, or ZERO2CASH or countless other I have purchased their goods from or simply given my XPY away to, to try and help in some way. And the reason I want you to know this the actual heart of this thread. As I am not a programmer, crypto specialist, have financial expertise in any way, I need to find other ways to contribute to the health of this coin and community. Here's what i discovered.

At this point, there continues to be finger pointing and fighting, accusations and mistrust. Ironically...FUD. Josh says this and Team XPY says that...law suits, counter law suits...it's never ending. But I want you to reflect on something for a few minutes if you can, remembering that I have lost much just as you have. The success of this coin was never going to be contingent on leadership or development alone. The genius of this project was in getting a critical mass of bodies -- namely YOU -- to believe in this project enough to have people waiting to use and spend XPY once it hit the markets and once the innovations were in place to spend our coin like real currency.

Now I realize that sounds obvious, but if you're already thinking that, slow down! You went too fast! Stop for a moment and think about XPY's greatest asset...Y-O-U. You are the reason it was born, developed, used, traded, fought over, sued over, argued over, banned over, threatened over, FUD-ed over...etc. Because you made it here, it was worth while to fight for it, to hoard and want it because you were willing to put your hard earned BTC and or cash or credit to make this thing valuable. My question is: Why have you forgotten this?

It doesn't matter who's team you are on, or whom you believe - Josh or Team XPY. Look at the reality in which were are currently in and you will discover what needs to be done. Josh, for all his innovating and posturing has gone. We know he's lied about many things and has not been honest about others. We know there are mysteries about the CAF and other projects, but here's the startling truth-- none of that matters because he is no longer around or in control. Furthermore, his track record with this community has been proven to be dismal and thus we cannot confide in him anything any longer. That leaves Team XPY.

I know what you are thinking...you are an unabashed Team XPY supporter and you came here to write under false pretenses. Furthermore, there's really no choice in support when all thats left is Team XPY. Allow me to respond to your hypothetical question. Firstly, I am not part of Team XPY and you can ask any of those guys if I am. They will tell you no. Secondly, you are correct. There is not much of a choice. Team XPY, for the most part, are in control. So we cannot "un-choose" them even if we wanted to. But let me ask you an important question: Why would you want to un-choose them?

Have you forgotten what XPY's greatest asset is already? You just read it above a moment ago. You are XPY's best hope and asset. XPY flourishes when you get behind it. XPY has a chance when you stick around to defend it. It doesn't matter who is running XPY at the moment. Team XPY is what we have. Josh is gone and has taken our money. Focus on that. If we want to recoup our losses then we need to come together as a community. We need to come together as a community. We may not all get along, nor agree with one another, or even like one another, but one thing is for certain -- We need to come together as a community. Divided we fall and fail. And worse still, someone walks away with my kids college fund, my man cave I've been dreaming about for years or your, swimming pool, or retirement, or rent money or credit, or your wedding gift etc...

Do not allow what misfortunes bad leadership and dishonesty cost us, to prevent you/me from coming together and reviving this coin and our losses. Do Not Let It. We must come together as a community. If Team XPY is leading then let them. Demand from them excellence but help them along the way. Those of you with knowledge, apply to be part of their team. Those of you who can program, write something for them or offer your assistance. Calling All Trolls!! You are all good at poking and prodding and writing and posting and "meme-ing." Why aren't we asking our pro-trollers who have gotten burned by GAW and Josh to post like crazy all over the inter webs to begin to accept XPY -- even at $.10 USD. That would give us an opportunity to spend some XPY, raise the price and literally "buy" time for the programmers to develop something worth while.

At the end of the day, this XPY project goes as far as this community will take it. Not a step further. Please remember that. Think about a way you can contribute, but most importantly, do not abandon XPY the way Josh has. When you say you are part of this community, then be here and promote all things XPY even if you disagree with them, A disagreement does not warrant an abandonment or dismantling, only discussion on how it can be improved or better represented. I believe the current leadership is at least amenable to that. Then let us start building what we hope this coin could be. I am too far in to be able to cut my losses and leave. I am asking you to do the same. Support your coin and XPY. Stop supporting sides or groups, only those who have XPY's long term health, well being and resurrection in mind.

As for Josh: He has said himself that he is gone. Whether that is true or not or whether the "Mr.Ceo" handle is actually him or not does not matter. Again -- Does Not Matter. Here's why...he has not appeared AND it looks as if he might be gone for a while. Forget him. When, if he returns at all, he will likely do so to pump the price with an announcement to dump more XPY as he has done in the past. I will gladly be wrong for the following. If he does make an announcement and actually delivers something for once, then we All win because we all hold and have XPY. If he comes here to pump and dump, ignore him, like one does a temper tantric child. We know his tricks and lets not fall for them. The more he pumps the price, the better for us in the long run. In my opinion, people that are under as much scrutiny and investigation cannot afford to make themselves available for fear of incriminating themselves further.

As for Team XPY: they are still here and working. Do not forget your differences with them because what you think about this community matters and as leaders, they must at least hear you out. But what i am asking for is for you to put aside your differences for a moment. Give them a chance to produce and work and concentrate with our full support the way Josh once had our full support. Along the way, they will stop to hear what our concerns are for they must have learned from some if not all of Josh's mistakes. Give them the fervor of this community's full support and see what they might be able to accomplish with that. What other option is there? If we do not, trust me when I say this project will fail.

You are the most important asset to this community and Paycoin needs this community to rally and come together.

Lastly, as if I haven't said enough, allow me to add this indulgence. My favorite bible verse is 1 Corinthians 13. Living anywhere in the world where there are Christians you are bound to have at least heard something of how this verse goes. If you are not a faith based person then just have a little more patience with me and allow me to share.

1 Corinthians 13 New International Version (NIV)

*13 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.*

I wanted to focus on the part where it says love does not boast and is not proud. I know we are hurting, spiritually, emotionally, intellectually and financially, but please do not let those hurts make this community one of boasters too proud to admit it. Set down your pride and come with your gifts and intellects, positivity and spirit in order to revive our coin. We need your humility and willingness to make this work. If we can find a way to make that possibility come to fruition, I am certain Paycoin and this community will succeed.

Paycoin can and will only decease when you abandon it...not any other way. Please do not allow this to be the death of Paycoin

I wish you all the best fortunes and blessings. I used to always sign off with I hope to see you at the top. That wish for you has not changed. Anyone willing to engage or contribute, please do so. Post here or at talk.paycoin. I have the same handle there too though not the same reputation! I welcome all opinions if it means that you will stay here to promote our coin and not tear it down. Please consider kindly and carefully what I have written. It may be the final key to making Paycoin a success.

Be well and be blessed,
jv

"Love never fails" Corinthians 13
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I have to admit, I did not make it through 2 or 3 paragraphs before I gave up on that idiocy from an idiotic Paycoined Bagholder.

[miaviator]

Looks like you're banned and shadow banned on talk.paycoin.com too?

https://talk.paycoin.com/profile/miaviator

@huey said that I banned myself.  Oddly this occurred just after I was banned from slack on the day that HashClub stated he was sending out a "letter" to the foundation to threaten a suit for slander.

[suchmoon]

I have to admit, I did not make it through 2 or 3 paragraphs before I gave up on that idiocy from an idiotic Paycoined Bagholder.

It's good, complete with bible quotes and all

[suchmoon]

@huey said that I banned myself.  Oddly this occurred just after I was banned from slack on the day that HashClub stated he was sending out a "letter" to the foundation to threaten a suit for slander.

Call me old fashioned, but isn't slander supposed to be (1) verbal and (2) false? I thought your spat with Hashclub was about them deleting your BTCLend posts, or was there something else?

Not that it's unusual to see you banned but the reasons given are really weird.

[miaviator]

@huey said that I banned myself.  Oddly this occurred just after I was banned from slack on the day that HashClub stated he was sending out a "letter" to the foundation to threaten a suit for slander.

Call me old fashioned, but isn't slander supposed to be (1) verbal and (2) false? I thought your spat with Hashclub was about them deleting your BTCLend posts, or was there something else?

Not that it's unusual to see you banned but the reasons given are really weird.

The allegations were that I was "slandering" hashclub the company on paycoinslack by calling him names.   Which makes very little sense.

I did have a conversation and attempted to ask about this company behind hashclub and why he felt my words on slack were slander.   To which I was told I did not know much about the law by hashclub.

He stated that the ban was for a follow up post in which I said that hashclub was censoring and conspiring with btc lend in a coverup.  The fact that the admin read the post and responded to it along with the fact that it contained original and archive links to the source of the information means he knew the information was accurate.   The deletion of a post which was simply a quote of carmelo's post on btclendtalk and two of his customers did aid in covering up the theft of user funds from an MSB.   I cannot imagine that lying about that sort of theft is legal so the act of deleting said post would be conspiring to cover it up?   Perhaps I am going to far in this interpretation?   

And you are correct.   It is not unusual to see me banned.  Though generally it is for good reason and not for quoting other forums.

[Paul Revere]

Man, I think I m getting a little Anti-Social. I haven't been banned from a forum in like a month, I need to get out there more. 

[suchmoon]

He stated that the ban was for a follow up post in which I said that hashclub was censoring and conspiring with btc lend in a coverup.  The fact that the admin read the post and responded to it along with the fact that it contained original and archive links to the source of the information means he knew the information was accurate.   The deletion of a post which was simply a quote of carmelo's post on btclendtalk and two of his customers did aid in covering up the theft of user funds from an MSB.   I cannot imagine that lying about that sort of theft is legal so the act of deleting said post would be conspiring to cover it up?   Perhaps I am going to far in this interpretation?   

So is he claiming that

a) BTCLend issue that you reported was false

or

b) Hashclub did not delete your post

or

c) "admin" feels offended in some other way?

Where exactly does the "company" come into play? Isn't the "admin" supposed to be anonymous? Or is that a Garza-style "unrelated" kind of thing? Throwing legal teams at forum trolls, that works so well all the time

[miaviator]

He stated that the ban was for a follow up post in which I said that hashclub was censoring and conspiring with btc lend in a coverup.  The fact that the admin read the post and responded to it along with the fact that it contained original and archive links to the source of the information means he knew the information was accurate.   The deletion of a post which was simply a quote of carmelo's post on btclendtalk and two of his customers did aid in covering up the theft of user funds from an MSB.   I cannot imagine that lying about that sort of theft is legal so the act of deleting said post would be conspiring to cover it up?   Perhaps I am going to far in this interpretation?   

So is he claiming that

a) BTCLend issue that you reported was false

or

b) Hashclub did not delete your post

or

c) "admin" feels offended in some other way?

Where exactly does the "company" come into play? Isn't the "admin" supposed to be anonymous? Or is that a Garza-style "unrelated" kind of thing? Throwing legal teams at forum trolls, that works so well all the time

A) He stated, later, that he was attempting to contact carmelo to verify the information.  (Information which was posted by carmelo and his customers)

B) He claimed that he deleted the post on accident, then that he did not read it, then that it was deleted for being false.   (He had responded to the post so clearly he read it)

C) He felt offended by an earlier exchange involving XPYERR.com, offended by my statement that he was covering up for btc lend, and slandered by my existence on paycoin slack. 

So from what I remember A and B and C.

I asked the same thing about the company since hashclub does not mention a company anywhere on the site.   

hashclub [6:25 PM]
You see, I'm trying to contact the guy over at BTCLend. Anyone can say anything about anyone. If I can speak with him, I will be able know more. At this point I know nothing.

This language sounds familiar:

hashclub [6:32 PM]
I do tell the truth all the time. Have I made mistakes, yes. Have there been misunderstandings for sure.

[miaviator]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=997621.msg10833005#msg10833005

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066969.msg11434366#msg11434366

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1071883.msg11463231#msg11463231

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=997632.msg10833153#msg10833153

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1000505.msg10861688#msg10861688

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1077548.msg11508323#msg11508323

How many threads does one exchange need?

[Paul Revere]

Wow. And Wunkbone and TNTswap were pretending that they were not Coldcoiner sockpuppets:



That is even Coldcoiner's avatar image on Hashtalk.


https://hashtalk.ch/topic/37882/ann-tntswap-com

[miaviator]

https://hashclub.org/topic/391/hashclub-xpyerr-for-sale-make-offer

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I will provide up to 4 hours of phone and or TeamViewer tech support on both products, and provide additional support at the rate of $20 per hour after that.

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Why am I parting? I have been neglecting my many business, investments, farm, and family. I need to move on. I adore this community and will miss each and everyone of you. This was my first and last experience with cryptocurrency. I need to focus on what I do best. This has been a great project, and I can say I have had great fun interacting with the community. I have learned so much from you all.

I Wish Everyone Here The Very Best.

PLEASE NOTE: I will ONLY sell these to someone with the highest of standards and care for the community.
If they don't have these values, I will not sell it to them. No matter how much they offer. I stand firm on that.