GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[TheIZS]

wait wait wait... Where is the 100% proof of me dumping coins on the exchanges?

Oh, the man himself. Can you point me to some details about the xpy.io hedgers? I don't get the part where you pay e.g. a 10% fee for a ~6% gain in 3 months.

Yeah the purpose of this is for people to be able to invest in XPY while completely sharing in the upside verses limiting the downside to a maximum of 10 percent loss.  In this account you would need XPY to gain 5 percent to makeup the paid fee.

a good explanation for some people can be found here.  http://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hedge.asp

These are really limited due to the fact its basically shorting XPY for the purpose of us trying to create a protection of sorts for new or current investors.  It was started as a pilot to see if this would be something someone is interested in.  So far most people are just confused.  So maybe the financial move is probably a little to confusing.  Ultimately the Goal of this program is to try to create hopefully winning situations for investors into crypto... or at minimum create limited downside propositions.

How is transperancy being handled with xpy.io? I think the idea makes sense but in order for it to even have a hope in succeeding there needs to be transparency for it's holders, what will hurt you the most is people not knowing.

HHMMMMM

A new scam involving "Hedgers" to limit your loss on turdcoin. Gee I think I'll try to hedge my remaining dollar against the........ what now?
OH! FUCKOFF GARBOZO!

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[TheIZS]

Yeah the purpose of this is for people to be able to invest in XPY while completely sharing in the upside verses limiting the downside to a maximum of 10 percent loss.  In this account you would need XPY to gain 5 percent to makeup the paid fee.

a good explanation for some people can be found here.  http://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hedge.asp

These are really limited due to the fact its basically shorting XPY for the purpose of us trying to create a protection of sorts for new or current investors.  It was started as a pilot to see if this would be something someone is interested in.  So far most people are just confused.  So maybe the financial move is probably a little to confusing.  Ultimately the Goal of this program is to try to create hopefully winning situations for investors into crypto... or at minimum create limited downside propositions.

Ok, I think I get the idea but if I wanted to gamble on XPY value I would likely do better just by buying it on Cryptsy or 'trex.

Or perhaps it's just worded backwards. There should be a way to phrase it to make sense because now it sounds like a horrible deal either way.

If you buy them off cryptsy.. and the price tanks... then you loose far more then 10 percent. Thats the point of the hedge.  But i agree that im sure we could word it better.

Are you aware that this would technically class a security by holding other peoples Coins? Funds held within the system would need to also be backed and can be liable for their loss, any misappropriation of funds held within xpy.io could be subject to securities fraud.

Completely agree.  If the funds are handled inappropriately or not above board it would be unacceptable and fraudulent.  They incorporated this through Hong Kong so i don't believe its subject to US security laws.

Wouldn't it just be easier not to hold customer funds?

So that's a good question... what do you think if we made the same offer.. except you where able to take the XPY bought... and over the same amout of time at the end of it, the purchaser could bring the same amount of bought coin back and exchange it back for the principle of btc?

This is another model we are considering.  Perhaps still the same issue tho.

UUUUUUMMMMM

Have you been in Josh's coke again? If not maybe you should consider that your trying to scam pennies from dimes? Really you'll make more pouring coffee at the local starbucks, and bonus! people will actually want to see you first thing in the morning.

[bitpop]

I am an American citizen

Bit Pop
2757 Roosevelt Road
Moundridge, KS 67107
620-345-0753
Libra

Leave it to BitCoinTalk to be Anonymous. atleast Jonah posts REAL shit.

No one knows that guys skype, email, gtalk or phone number...........

What's your sign?

[WaffleMaster]

Bitpop is legendary. He is much a myth as a man. A whisper among common folk. The dragon in the deepest depths of a cave. The kraken that lies beneath the sea in the largest trench. He is why the Bermuda Triangle is so mysterious. A wizard casting reality spells on the delusional. A bane to Homero's everywhere.

[miaviator]

I am an American citizen

Bit Pop
2757 Roosevelt Road
Moundridge, KS 67107
620-345-0753
Libra

Leave it to BitCoinTalk to be Anonymous. atleast Jonah posts REAL shit.

No one knows that guys skype, email, gtalk or phone number...........

What's your sign?

Libra, because I am bitpop.

[bitpop]

I am an American citizen

Bit Pop
2757 Roosevelt Road
Moundridge, KS 67107
620-345-0753
Libra

Leave it to BitCoinTalk to be Anonymous. atleast Jonah posts REAL shit.

No one knows that guys skype, email, gtalk or phone number...........

What's your sign?

Libra, because I am bitpop.

I am paul revere

[Crestington]

Yeah the purpose of this is for people to be able to invest in XPY while completely sharing in the upside verses limiting the downside to a maximum of 10 percent loss.  In this account you would need XPY to gain 5 percent to makeup the paid fee.

a good explanation for some people can be found here.  http://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hedge.asp

These are really limited due to the fact its basically shorting XPY for the purpose of us trying to create a protection of sorts for new or current investors.  It was started as a pilot to see if this would be something someone is interested in.  So far most people are just confused.  So maybe the financial move is probably a little to confusing.  Ultimately the Goal of this program is to try to create hopefully winning situations for investors into crypto... or at minimum create limited downside propositions.

Ok, I think I get the idea but if I wanted to gamble on XPY value I would likely do better just by buying it on Cryptsy or 'trex.

Or perhaps it's just worded backwards. There should be a way to phrase it to make sense because now it sounds like a horrible deal either way.

If you buy them off cryptsy.. and the price tanks... then you loose far more then 10 percent. Thats the point of the hedge.  But i agree that im sure we could word it better.

Are you aware that this would technically class a security by holding other peoples Coins? Funds held within the system would need to also be backed and can be liable for their loss, any misappropriation of funds held within xpy.io could be subject to securities fraud.

Completely agree.  If the funds are handled inappropriately or not above board it would be unacceptable and fraudulent.  They incorporated this through Hong Kong so i don't believe its subject to US security laws.

Wouldn't it just be easier not to hold customer funds?

So that's a good question... what do you think if we made the same offer.. except you where able to take the XPY bought... and over the same amout of time at the end of it, the purchaser could bring the same amount of bought coin back and exchange it back for the principle of btc?

This is another model we are considering.  Perhaps still the same issue tho.

No prime nodes, no need to hold customer funds, no liability risk, however that would also make XPY just another Peercoin clone.

[cryptodevil]

http://www.na-berlin.de/termine/aktuelle%20Veranstaltungen%20PDFs/nanewyork_2012.pdf

Dani S. 917-513-2074= Buck Rogers = Daffy?

P.S: So, they sold you Emails along with the accounts? Seems legit.

'Serenity Keepers' ? WTF, sounds like the kind of heavies employed by Jim Jones to force people to drink the cool-aid.

So bitcoinist posts shilling article for coincard which had to be pulled for the shilly scam article it was, but now they want to pretend they are on the up and up by getting into bed with Homero on the basis he isn't going to get that domain seized by the three letter agencies?

Good plan.

Oh noez, am I in trubble for quoting this in my post?

Am I not supposed to? Paul? Paul? . . .why you do this to me, Paul? Why did you trap me into your web of exposing lies and deceit, you dawg, you!

Anyhoo . . as for that Yahoo Finance article:

Contact Info:

Name: John C. Caceres
Email: johncharlescaceres@gmail.com
Organization: CoinCard
Phone: 802 359 7569

SOURCE: CoinCard

Nothing says, 'Totally legit financial services' like a Gmail account!

[favdesu]

You would have to watch the video from last night. The two of you were brought up a few times, and the teams went on a rant against the two of you.

where's the link, or better, where's the TL;DR? not sure if I can make it through this bs

[Revelation]

wait wait wait... Where is the 100% proof of me dumping coins on the exchanges?

Oh, the man himself. Can you point me to some details about the xpy.io hedgers? I don't get the part where you pay e.g. a 10% fee for a ~6% gain in 3 months.

Yeah the purpose of this is for people to be able to invest in XPY while completely sharing in the upside verses limiting the downside to a maximum of 10 percent loss.  In this account you would need XPY to gain 5 percent to makeup the paid fee.

a good explanation for some people can be found here.  http://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hedge.asp

These are really limited due to the fact its basically shorting XPY for the purpose of us trying to create a protection of sorts for new or current investors.  It was started as a pilot to see if this would be something someone is interested in.  So far most people are just confused.  So maybe the financial move is probably a little to confusing.  Ultimately the Goal of this program is to try to create hopefully winning situations for investors into crypto... or at minimum create limited downside propositions.

Suppose I have a position in XPY in the amount of 50k coins and I buy a 3-month hedge. Now, if at the end of my hedge term XPY price is zero (e.g. coin is delisted from all exchanges) how would you reimburse me for my hedge. Would you put BTC from your own pockets?

[Franz_Huber]

Badbitcoin a.k.a. Colonel32 is still buying paycoins. This is just beyond stupid. Oh wait, maybe he is a paid shill.

[bitpop]

wait wait wait... Where is the 100% proof of me dumping coins on the exchanges?

Oh, the man himself. Can you point me to some details about the xpy.io hedgers? I don't get the part where you pay e.g. a 10% fee for a ~6% gain in 3 months.
http://i.snag.gy/o8zaW.jpg

Yeah the purpose of this is for people to be able to invest in XPY while completely sharing in the upside verses limiting the downside to a maximum of 10 percent loss.  In this account you would need XPY to gain 5 percent to makeup the paid fee.

a good explanation for some people can be found here.  http://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hedge.asp

These are really limited due to the fact its basically shorting XPY for the purpose of us trying to create a protection of sorts for new or current investors.  It was started as a pilot to see if this would be something someone is interested in.  So far most people are just confused.  So maybe the financial move is probably a little to confusing.  Ultimately the Goal of this program is to try to create hopefully winning situations for investors into crypto... or at minimum create limited downside propositions.

Suppose I have a position in XPY in the amount of 50k coins and I buy a 3-month hedge. Now, if at the end of my hedge term XPY price is zero (e.g. coin is delisted from all exchanges) how would you reimburse me for my hedge. Would you put BTC from your own pockets?

No he'd be long gone by then. These scams work by promising things later.

If Bitcoin is the world wide ledger, what is paycorn?

[strangerdanger101]

[Paul Revere]

wait wait wait... Where is the 100% proof of me dumping coins on the exchanges?

When the mad mixup/"hack"/whatever of coins occurred in early March, the address that suddenly filled up with 4.6 Million XPY was said to be under Team XPY control , and that they were locked up to keep them safe. Are you now claiming that Team XPY does NOT own the (still) #1 address? https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?232492.htm

P.S: Gotta love these crooks trying to say that the latest "XPY hedge" scam is totally legit because they registered it in Hong Kong to get around those pesky anti-fraud laws in the US. They are flat out admitting that they know it is fraud, and their only concern is getting away with it. Total fucking CROOKS.

[simdude]

Several of the top ten which were not previously staking, now are. #5 looked like it might be using one of the Hyperstake keys, but after checking the raw transactions it appears that it is just getting some HUGE stakes playing catch up. Perhaps someone else can take a look at this one https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?232554.htm and make sure I am reading things right. I also see 52 addresses that have ~125,000, but two of them (#s 19 & 45) have thus far indicated that they are still doing regular staking. I can not understand why someone that has at least 125,000 XPY, other than those who have agreed to not use them,  is NOT using the Hyperstake keys.

P.S: Check out the "regular" stakes on address #1:


https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/#!rich

LMAO!

How small these are going into looks like Zencloud playouts.

[Paul Revere]

Several of the top ten which were not previously staking, now are. #5 looked like it might be using one of the Hyperstake keys, but after checking the raw transactions it appears that it is just getting some HUGE stakes playing catch up. Perhaps someone else can take a look at this one https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?232554.htm and make sure I am reading things right. I also see 52 addresses that have ~125,000, but two of them (#s 19 & 45) have thus far indicated that they are still doing regular staking. I can not understand why someone that has at least 125,000 XPY, other than those who have agreed to not use them,  is NOT using the Hyperstake keys.

P.S: Check out the "regular" stakes on address #1:


https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/#!rich

LMAO!

How small these are going into looks like Zencloud playouts.

Those are INPUTS, Brainiac. Stakes, to be specific. The multiple 250,000 XPY withdrawals are below that, and they all get sent directly to exchanges, mostly Cryptsy. Someday perhaps you will learn what those complicated + and - signs mean. 

[DaveF]

I am paul revere

But you are not Sancho. Becuase *I* am Sancho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMwPrdILEJ4

O.K. I seriously have nothing truly useful to add to this conversation. But I still had to post that.

-Dave

[mutha]

I have a question do you remember the name of Joshypoo wife's new Charity? Not the Gaws hashminer 911 scammy thingy that Josh Fucked up but the new one where Jessica is gonna do things to deserving children

Are you talking about this?

https://www.cryptochange.org/campaign/35/support-for-child-brides

I don't think there was a specific charity named there (care.org is a well-known organization, not controlled by Garzas). They seem to be just collecting funds and maybe they will pass then on to care.org minus fees. Well, they would be if anyone except Garza himself would have donated.

Hmmm I am not sure if that is it or not... but noted and thanks for looking!  

Like I said earlier, I have someone very close to me that is a Barrister in the UK and a Lawyer in the US and the structuring of the Garza Rat's nest has intrigued her. It is possible they will not go the 501c3 route  (Charity) and could possibly decide not to repatriate the funds back into the US, rather "renouncing their US citizenship" and thinking they will live happily ever after in an US non extradition country and ummmm? I have said enough... when you are conducting scams on an international level, then there is a whole new set of rules that come into play.

[suchmoon]

wait wait wait... Where is the 100% proof of me dumping coins on the exchanges?

When the mad mixup/"hack"/whatever of coins occurred in early March, the address that suddenly filled up with 4.6 Million XPY was said to be under Team XPY control , and that they were locked up to keep them safe. Are you now claiming that Team XPY does NOT own the (still) #1 address? https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?232492.htm

P.S: Gotta love these crooks trying to say that the latest "XPY hedge" scam is totally legit because they registered it in Hong Kong to get around those pesky anti-fraud laws in the US. They are flat out admitting that they know it is fraud, and their only concern is getting away with it. Total fucking CROOKS.

Still not seeing any change on the website indicating that I would be sending my funds to an HK-based entity. Still Texas.

https://xpy.io/terms.pdf

The only entity with XPY in its name in Hong Kong is Phil's XPY Limited, ironically renamed to Mineral Limited now


Edited 2020-11-28 to fix a broken image

[verloren]

Its BCTalk... everything gets picked apart.  And if its related to XPY it is practically in a no win situation.  More over i don't see any Incorporation number right now being supplied in any form.  So why is it not being picked apart right now?

It's the first time I'm hearing about HK and I don't think anybody here has been aware of that particular red flag yet.

I've been mostly interested in the financial side of it so I blame everyone else for not digging up the corporate entity information (or lack thereof).

IIRC, anything owned by an American, even if in an offshore location, is still subject to IRS law. Not so sure about SEC.