8-bit-Party
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May 24, 2016, 06:35:20 AM |
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Community,
So this is whats happening with the premine.
I have sent 2.5 M to one of my main developers. ( If you are a true follower, you know who this person is )
I have sent 1.5 M to myself.
The rest of the total amount of MTR premine has been liquidated on the market flat out.
Number of reasons I did this.
1) Get EVERYONE out of their horrible cost averages. - Basically giving people their money back the best way I can foresee possible.
2) Increase the amount of MTR holders. - Hoping this increases trading activity and general awareness of what MTR is.
3) MTR marketcap will now be more legitimate on Coinmarketcap.com - With all coins accept 4M MTR being held from general population.
4) Just wanted to get rid of the premine fairly, instead of burning it...The positives above would be omitted if I were to just burn them.
So whats the current coin count?
10,330,663.13635124 are in existence ( as of writing this message )
How many coins are in public supply now?
10,330,663.13635124 (minus) 4,000,000 currently held by MTR/ToshiDesk Team (equals) 6,330,663.13635124 <- In public supply.
Please feel free to ask any and all questions, as I have no problem answering any of them.
Cheers,
MasterTrader777
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May 24, 2016, 07:00:54 AM |
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Seems like 100 sats was as low as it's going. Marketcap is real low, could be an extraordinary entry point. If we could know exactly how will MTR benefit from ToshiDesk public launch maybe more new investors will join.
ToshiDesk public launch date?
Benefits for MTR?
MTR roadmap?
Marketing plan for the news?
TY
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May 24, 2016, 11:49:31 AM |
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price is really cheap.
bought some bag of MTR
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crazywack
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Someone cleared my bittrex wallet out. Sold or withdrew all my coins. Had about 200k prob got dumped on there....
Ironically the only place I recently visited besides my normal spots was Toshidesk.........
Wait, what are you talking about? Someone hacked your Bittrex account? Have you contacted Bittrex about this? I can assure you ToshiDesk isn't the source of your issue. Cheers, MasterTrader777 Yes but so far they have been no help. Lost approx 10 BTC from there Needless to say it's been a shitty day. (If the hacker who gained access to my account would contact me it would be GREATLY appreciated) |
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May 24, 2016, 12:05:54 PM |
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Thats brutal crazywack
I heard that recently the litecoin forums were hacked.
Perhaps you were on there with the same un/pw as the bittrex exchange?
Regardless, nobody should use an exchange password anywhere else, and setup 2fa security on any exchange that offers it
Hope you manage to retrieve your funds.
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May 24, 2016, 12:11:40 PM |
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Someone cleared my bittrex wallet out. Sold or withdrew all my coins. Had about 200k prob got dumped on there....
Ironically the only place I recently visited besides my normal spots was Toshidesk.........
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May 24, 2016, 12:18:43 PM |
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BTW my posts are still being reported and still being removed by moderator. Keep a good job scammers.
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May 24, 2016, 03:23:09 PM |
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I joined ToshiDesk, it looks interesting and has a few great community tool. I think it will only work if there's a truly active and competent community, without it it's nothing. So the marketing plan I've requested earlier / i.e. user adoption strategy would be useful, and also info about how will TOSHIDESK influence MTR price.
MTR's price is perfect for an entry point, with 6.3 mil MTR in the open, and a 120-190 sats price, with 1 BTC invested you would buy around 10% of public available coins, so i'd think interested parties would want to jump in now.
The problem is volatility, lack of buy support and disappointed old longterm investors.
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mastertrader777 (OP)
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May 24, 2016, 04:23:49 PM |
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My Wallet is not connected to the network.
How do I get it working?
Copy of my .conf file
What am I doing wrong?
rpcuser=***
rpcpassword=***
rpcallowip = 127.0.0.1
rpcport = 14474
server = 1
daemon = 1
listen = 1
addnode=101.174.194.212
addnode=101.175.8.107
addnode=103.224.116.251
addnode=115.70.187.61
addnode=197.89.63.170
addnode=197.89.64.25
addnode=2002:46ad:668f::5
addnode=2a01:e35:2423:7280:b5d7:d7b6:a840:8d77
addnode=66.23.232.59
addnode=68.204.124.13
addnode=70.173.102.143
addnode=73.34.88.139
addnode=82.66.55.40
addnode=94.206.90.42
addnode=94.72.62.224
the main seednodes are still all functioning - and have been since we first set them up mate ... remove ALL the addnodes - and add the following ( if you are using the older wallet - that does not have the seednodes hardcoded ) ... in my git - the code is updated with the seednodes hardcoded - if you know how to compile a new wallet for your os ... addnode=mtr-seed1.granitecoin.com
addnode=mtr-seed2.granitecoin.com
addnode=mtr-seed3.granitecoin.com
hope that helps ... #crysx Thanks for the help crysx! Cheers, MasterTrader777 no problem rich ... the seednodes have been running and servicing the mtr network since they were setup ... im doing maintenance on the nodes now - which means they will be offline for a total of 30seconds - in the next few minutes ... but they will not all be offline at once - they will be offline in a staggered time frame so that there are always two other nodes active while one is offline ... #crysx Thanks alot, I do appreciate your long term commitment. Post your MTR addresses for the nodes, and I will send you 2.5K MTR to each of them. Would you be open to adding any more 24-7 nodes up? Maybe 3 more by chance? I could fill those nodes with some MTR for your service. Cheers, MasterTrader777 no worries ... you have never dealt badly with me - and i hope i have been the same with you mate ... i do read and see what happens here - and stay in constant touch with what has been going on ... but since the inability to access the main chrysophylax account - i havent been spending as much time on bct as i usually do any more ... and there has been huge developments in the backend for granite ( grn ) and now ozziecoin ( ozc ) ... so i hope we can eventually work with mtr and the toshidesk infrastructure eventually ... but you know ill help where i can anyway ... as for the nodes - there are two more for the taking ... have been busy with a couple of other nodes and coins ( egc and bern to name two ) and working closely with the dev to make sure all is well on that front also ... so two more can be setup and run when you want them to be ... just give the word ... this means that mtr-seed4 and mtr-seed5 can be active in the next couple of hours after sync ... let me know and ill start them right away while im doing the maintenance ... and ill pm you the addresses if so ... tanx mate ... #crysx Hey Crysx, You have always been one of my ride or dies. Always cool, calm, and collective. Never have you flip flopped on me. I will always respect you for that. About the nodes. Lets lock those other 2 in for the MTR network. I'm ready to send the MTR to each node asap. Just send me the wallet addresses and consider it done. The network could use another 2 solid 24-7 nodes. The MTR network is going to have a lot more coins running through it now. You can post your progress on the nodes here if you like, nothing to hide. Thanks so much. Cheers, MasterTrader777 much appreciated ... im setting them up now - and compiling the daemons ... will be ready to start sync in about 7minutes ... the new nodes will be in the same format ( when dns is setup and the servers propagate worldwide ) as the previous seeds ... so all in all - the nodes that need to be added if you have the old wallets active is below ... if you have compiled directly from my git - you wont need to add any nodes to the conf file - as they are hardcoded by the time these new seeds are ready ... addnode=seed1.granitecoin.com
addnode=seed2.granitecoin.com
addnode=seed3.granitecoin.com
addnode=seed4.granitecoin.com
addnode=seed5.granitecoin.com
ill also recompile all the daemons when the new seednodes are hardcoded into the source ... so it will all be up to date within the next few hours ... skyping you the addresses in a few minutes mate ... #crysx All nodes filled Crysx.  SEED 1 + 2499.8 MTR SEED 2 + 2499.8 MTR SEED 3 + 2499.8 MTR NEW SEED 4 + 2999.8 MTR NEW SEED 5 + 3999.9 MTR I'm also on your git right now and see you added the new seeds into the code.  Cheers, MasterTrader777 |
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mastertrader777 (OP)
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May 24, 2016, 05:24:16 PM |
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Community, We are getting close. Deployment to Production Servers is scheduled to start tomorrow. Worked out all Charting Module / Quote DB / TimeSeries issues.  More info will be given as it develops. Cheers, MasterTrader777 |
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May 24, 2016, 07:35:04 PM |
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Thats brutal crazywack
I heard that recently the litecoin forums were hacked.
Perhaps you were on there with the same un/pw as the bittrex exchange?
Regardless, nobody should use an exchange password anywhere else, and setup 2fa security on any exchange that offers it
Hope you manage to retrieve your funds.
Yes it's not a good day hoping he or she contacts me but hope is running out... |
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8b 16b DEMOSCENE FTW
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May 24, 2016, 09:38:56 PM |
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Robbed scammer, is there anything else that can make this day even better?
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crysx
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May 25, 2016, 02:22:29 AM
Last edit: May 25, 2016, 03:06:36 AM by crysx |
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My Wallet is not connected to the network.
How do I get it working?
Copy of my .conf file
What am I doing wrong?
rpcuser=***
rpcpassword=***
rpcallowip = 127.0.0.1
rpcport = 14474
server = 1
daemon = 1
listen = 1
addnode=101.174.194.212
addnode=101.175.8.107
addnode=103.224.116.251
addnode=115.70.187.61
addnode=197.89.63.170
addnode=197.89.64.25
addnode=2002:46ad:668f::5
addnode=2a01:e35:2423:7280:b5d7:d7b6:a840:8d77
addnode=66.23.232.59
addnode=68.204.124.13
addnode=70.173.102.143
addnode=73.34.88.139
addnode=82.66.55.40
addnode=94.206.90.42
addnode=94.72.62.224
the main seednodes are still all functioning - and have been since we first set them up mate ... remove ALL the addnodes - and add the following ( if you are using the older wallet - that does not have the seednodes hardcoded ) ... in my git - the code is updated with the seednodes hardcoded - if you know how to compile a new wallet for your os ... addnode=mtr-seed1.granitecoin.com
addnode=mtr-seed2.granitecoin.com
addnode=mtr-seed3.granitecoin.com
hope that helps ... #crysx Thanks for the help crysx! Cheers, MasterTrader777 no problem rich ... the seednodes have been running and servicing the mtr network since they were setup ... im doing maintenance on the nodes now - which means they will be offline for a total of 30seconds - in the next few minutes ... but they will not all be offline at once - they will be offline in a staggered time frame so that there are always two other nodes active while one is offline ... #crysx Thanks alot, I do appreciate your long term commitment. Post your MTR addresses for the nodes, and I will send you 2.5K MTR to each of them. Would you be open to adding any more 24-7 nodes up? Maybe 3 more by chance? I could fill those nodes with some MTR for your service. Cheers, MasterTrader777 no worries ... you have never dealt badly with me - and i hope i have been the same with you mate ... i do read and see what happens here - and stay in constant touch with what has been going on ... but since the inability to access the main chrysophylax account - i havent been spending as much time on bct as i usually do any more ... and there has been huge developments in the backend for granite ( grn ) and now ozziecoin ( ozc ) ... so i hope we can eventually work with mtr and the toshidesk infrastructure eventually ... but you know ill help where i can anyway ... as for the nodes - there are two more for the taking ... have been busy with a couple of other nodes and coins ( egc and bern to name two ) and working closely with the dev to make sure all is well on that front also ... so two more can be setup and run when you want them to be ... just give the word ... this means that mtr-seed4 and mtr-seed5 can be active in the next couple of hours after sync ... let me know and ill start them right away while im doing the maintenance ... and ill pm you the addresses if so ... tanx mate ... #crysx Hey Crysx, You have always been one of my ride or dies. Always cool, calm, and collective. Never have you flip flopped on me. I will always respect you for that. About the nodes. Lets lock those other 2 in for the MTR network. I'm ready to send the MTR to each node asap. Just send me the wallet addresses and consider it done. The network could use another 2 solid 24-7 nodes. The MTR network is going to have a lot more coins running through it now. You can post your progress on the nodes here if you like, nothing to hide. Thanks so much. Cheers, MasterTrader777 much appreciated ... im setting them up now - and compiling the daemons ... will be ready to start sync in about 7minutes ... the new nodes will be in the same format ( when dns is setup and the servers propagate worldwide ) as the previous seeds ... so all in all - the nodes that need to be added if you have the old wallets active is below ... if you have compiled directly from my git - you wont need to add any nodes to the conf file - as they are hardcoded by the time these new seeds are ready ... addnode=seed1.granitecoin.com
addnode=seed2.granitecoin.com
addnode=seed3.granitecoin.com
addnode=seed4.granitecoin.com
addnode=seed5.granitecoin.com
ill also recompile all the daemons when the new seednodes are hardcoded into the source ... so it will all be up to date within the next few hours ... skyping you the addresses in a few minutes mate ... #crysx All nodes filled Crysx. SEED 1 + 2499.8 MTR SEED 2 + 2499.8 MTR SEED 3 + 2499.8 MTR NEW SEED 4 + 2999.8 MTR NEW SEED 5 + 3999.9 MTR I'm also on your git right now and see you added the new seeds into the code. Cheers, MasterTrader777 tanx rich ... im fixing the git now - as the seeds are copies of the seed3 ... :| ... my typo ... which means i will recompile all the nodes once i get that done in the next few hours ... as for the coins - i will remove them from the seeds to a common wallet - rcompile ALL the seeds and resync ( which take a long time ) - then transfer even amounts into the seeds again ... that way - each seed can stake and run on average about the same as the other ... i appreciate the donation you have given to the seeds - and will make it much easier to move the blockchain if any problems arise in the future ... if there is a need for it - i will get a windows and osx wallet ( im a linux guy - so i can only provide linux help ) of the latest compile - IF - anyone is interested ... by this evening ( my time - adelaide australia ) - i will have the seed daemons recompiled and started sync ... update - the seeds code was correct but for some reason i saw them as multiple copies ... strange ... in anycase - im currently recompiling and updating the sync when its finished ... tonight should have the seednodes ready at full sync ... tanx again ... #crysx |
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May 25, 2016, 05:32:12 AM |
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Community,
So this is whats happening with the premine.
I have sent 2.5 M to one of my main developers. ( If you are a true follower, you know who this person is )
I have sent 1.5 M to myself.
The rest of the total amount of MTR premine has been liquidated on the market flat out.
Number of reasons I did this.
1) Get EVERYONE out of their horrible cost averages. - Basically giving people their money back the best way I can foresee possible.
2) Increase the amount of MTR holders. - Hoping this increases trading activity and general awareness of what MTR is.
3) MTR marketcap will now be more legitimate on Coinmarketcap.com - With all coins accept 4M MTR being held from general population.
4) Just wanted to get rid of the premine fairly, instead of burning it...The positives above would be omitted if I were to just burn them.
So whats the current coin count?
10,330,663.13635124 are in existence ( as of writing this message )
How many coins are in public supply now?
10,330,663.13635124 (minus) 4,000,000 currently held by MTR/ToshiDesk Team (equals) 6,330,663.13635124 <- In public supply.
Please feel free to ask any and all questions, as I have no problem answering any of them.
Cheers,
MasterTrader777
Having known sons of bitches of all kinds and dimensions through my life and especially since I set eyes on the crypto world, I only have one question for you: How can it be possible that you could top the list and be the biggest MF lying son of a bitch I have ever crossed paths with? No need to answer though. What a hideous scum you and the DCGirl are... |
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Block explorer keep don't work ??
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Somebody know why my wallet not working anymore iam getting a runtime error
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mastertrader777 (OP)
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My Wallet is not connected to the network.
How do I get it working?
Copy of my .conf file
What am I doing wrong?
rpcuser=***
rpcpassword=***
rpcallowip = 127.0.0.1
rpcport = 14474
server = 1
daemon = 1
listen = 1
addnode=101.174.194.212
addnode=101.175.8.107
addnode=103.224.116.251
addnode=115.70.187.61
addnode=197.89.63.170
addnode=197.89.64.25
addnode=2002:46ad:668f::5
addnode=2a01:e35:2423:7280:b5d7:d7b6:a840:8d77
addnode=66.23.232.59
addnode=68.204.124.13
addnode=70.173.102.143
addnode=73.34.88.139
addnode=82.66.55.40
addnode=94.206.90.42
addnode=94.72.62.224
the main seednodes are still all functioning - and have been since we first set them up mate ... remove ALL the addnodes - and add the following ( if you are using the older wallet - that does not have the seednodes hardcoded ) ... in my git - the code is updated with the seednodes hardcoded - if you know how to compile a new wallet for your os ... addnode=mtr-seed1.granitecoin.com
addnode=mtr-seed2.granitecoin.com
addnode=mtr-seed3.granitecoin.com
hope that helps ... #crysx Thanks for the help crysx! Cheers, MasterTrader777 no problem rich ... the seednodes have been running and servicing the mtr network since they were setup ... im doing maintenance on the nodes now - which means they will be offline for a total of 30seconds - in the next few minutes ... but they will not all be offline at once - they will be offline in a staggered time frame so that there are always two other nodes active while one is offline ... #crysx Thanks alot, I do appreciate your long term commitment. Post your MTR addresses for the nodes, and I will send you 2.5K MTR to each of them. Would you be open to adding any more 24-7 nodes up? Maybe 3 more by chance? I could fill those nodes with some MTR for your service. Cheers, MasterTrader777 no worries ... you have never dealt badly with me - and i hope i have been the same with you mate ... i do read and see what happens here - and stay in constant touch with what has been going on ... but since the inability to access the main chrysophylax account - i havent been spending as much time on bct as i usually do any more ... and there has been huge developments in the backend for granite ( grn ) and now ozziecoin ( ozc ) ... so i hope we can eventually work with mtr and the toshidesk infrastructure eventually ... but you know ill help where i can anyway ... as for the nodes - there are two more for the taking ... have been busy with a couple of other nodes and coins ( egc and bern to name two ) and working closely with the dev to make sure all is well on that front also ... so two more can be setup and run when you want them to be ... just give the word ... this means that mtr-seed4 and mtr-seed5 can be active in the next couple of hours after sync ... let me know and ill start them right away while im doing the maintenance ... and ill pm you the addresses if so ... tanx mate ... #crysx Hey Crysx, You have always been one of my ride or dies. Always cool, calm, and collective. Never have you flip flopped on me. I will always respect you for that. About the nodes. Lets lock those other 2 in for the MTR network. I'm ready to send the MTR to each node asap. Just send me the wallet addresses and consider it done. The network could use another 2 solid 24-7 nodes. The MTR network is going to have a lot more coins running through it now. You can post your progress on the nodes here if you like, nothing to hide. Thanks so much. Cheers, MasterTrader777 much appreciated ... im setting them up now - and compiling the daemons ... will be ready to start sync in about 7minutes ... the new nodes will be in the same format ( when dns is setup and the servers propagate worldwide ) as the previous seeds ... so all in all - the nodes that need to be added if you have the old wallets active is below ... if you have compiled directly from my git - you wont need to add any nodes to the conf file - as they are hardcoded by the time these new seeds are ready ... addnode=seed1.granitecoin.com
addnode=seed2.granitecoin.com
addnode=seed3.granitecoin.com
addnode=seed4.granitecoin.com
addnode=seed5.granitecoin.com
ill also recompile all the daemons when the new seednodes are hardcoded into the source ... so it will all be up to date within the next few hours ... skyping you the addresses in a few minutes mate ... #crysx All nodes filled Crysx. SEED 1 + 2499.8 MTR SEED 2 + 2499.8 MTR SEED 3 + 2499.8 MTR NEW SEED 4 + 2999.8 MTR NEW SEED 5 + 3999.9 MTR I'm also on your git right now and see you added the new seeds into the code. Cheers, MasterTrader777 tanx rich ... im fixing the git now - as the seeds are copies of the seed3 ... :| ... my typo ... which means i will recompile all the nodes once i get that done in the next few hours ... as for the coins - i will remove them from the seeds to a common wallet - rcompile ALL the seeds and resync ( which take a long time ) - then transfer even amounts into the seeds again ... that way - each seed can stake and run on average about the same as the other ... i appreciate the donation you have given to the seeds - and will make it much easier to move the blockchain if any problems arise in the future ... if there is a need for it - i will get a windows and osx wallet ( im a linux guy - so i can only provide linux help ) of the latest compile - IF - anyone is interested ... by this evening ( my time - adelaide australia ) - i will have the seed daemons recompiled and started sync ... update - the seeds code was correct but for some reason i saw them as multiple copies ... strange ... in anycase - im currently recompiling and updating the sync when its finished ... tonight should have the seednodes ready at full sync ... tanx again ... #crysx How did everything pan out? Send me new wallet addresses when you get a chance. Cheers, MasterTrader777 |
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May 26, 2016, 04:09:42 AM |
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Block explorer keep don't work ??
You saw that I put the message out there. He is a busy guy. I will contact him again tonight. What is it you need to know with the block explorer that you cant find out running commands inside the wallet. I will help you with a list of commands if needed. Busy right now trading ETH. As I have hedged most of the premine of MTR on ETH. ETH will run to $20 USD within the next 45 days or less. Cheers, MasterTrader777 |
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mastertrader777 (OP)
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May 26, 2016, 04:14:51 AM |
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Somebody know why my wallet not working anymore iam getting a runtime error
Screen shot your error screen. We can help you out. First thing I would do, is make sure your .dat file is backed up. Most likely you will have to uninstall wallet, and redownload it. Import the backed up .dat file and resync. Won't take too long. Cheers, MasterTrader777 |
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May 26, 2016, 02:31:04 PM |
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Copying really long reply threads to hide negative posts are we?
Come on, seriously you're disappointing me and I've been a supporter for quite a while now.
Bad Execution of premine dump:
Exactly what you did
Good Execution of premine dump:
- Announce it in the thread, give a week warning
- Treat it like an IPO, generate interest but show it has value
- Give people time to prepare/move funds, tell friends, etc.
- Selling the MTR cheaper than it was going and using it as a platform to promote Toshidesk is a good idea, but not driving the value into the ground, that was simply insulting
- Constantly communicate any changes to plan
I think we can all understand needing funds for Toshidesk launch, but the way you went about it and don't seem to see a problem is not a good sign.
Playing with fake currency in Toshidesk testing is all good, but I have to question whether I can actually entrust any real funds to a platform you control (or recommend it to any others) when you are making such questionable decisions.
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