[DASH/XDN/XMR/SDC] Comparison between the most known anonymous coins (MUST READ)

[xxxgoodgirls]

Thread updated with DarkNote !

Why still amber for Darsend being untraceable/unlinkable?

Darksend has yet to be traced or linked and that chap who made the bold claims several weeks ago has failed to deliver (which is no suprise since his initial claim was false too).

Dude this is just an advertising thread from SDC people, no real objectivity here.

[Dofus]

Thread updated with DarkNote !

Why still amber for Darsend being untraceable/unlinkable?

Darksend has yet to be traced or linked and that chap who made the bold claims several weeks ago has failed to deliver (which is no suprise since his initial claim was false too).

Dude this is just an advertising thread from SDC people, no real objectivity here.

Of course man !
This is why I'm currently planing to add more G-O-O-D coins to this thread, you're even lucky DRK in there. (If you didn't notice we added DarkNote today)

You DRK folks have nothing to say against arguments because you have 0 objectivity, you're just blind fanboys who fell in love with an overated coin... Every coin mentionned in this thread is in fact better than Dash tbh

[illodin]

Thread updated with DarkNote !

Why still amber for Darsend being untraceable/unlinkable?

Darksend has yet to be traced or linked and that chap who made the bold claims several weeks ago has failed to deliver (which is no suprise since his initial claim was false too).

Dude this is just an advertising thread from SDC people, no real objectivity here.

Of course man !
This is why I'm currently planing to add more G-O-O-D coins to this thread, you're even lucky DRK in there. (If you didn't notice we added DarkNote today)

You DRK folks have nothing to say against arguments because you have 0 objectivity, you're just blind fanboys who fell in love with an overated coin... Every coin mentionned in this thread is in fact better than Dash tbh

The reason you're adding more coins is you're not getting much if at all traffic from DRK/DASH people despite provocative straw men attacks. Maybe DarkNote or Navajoe coin guys will give your ad thread steady periodical bumps and visibility.

Oops.. I fell for it again.  

[00Smurf]

Thread updated with DarkNote !

Why still amber for Darsend being untraceable/unlinkable?

Darksend has yet to be traced or linked and that chap who made the bold claims several weeks ago has failed to deliver (which is no suprise since his initial claim was false too).

Dude this is just an advertising thread from SDC people, no real objectivity here.

Of course man !
This is why I'm currently planing to add more G-O-O-D coins to this thread, you're even lucky DRK in there. (If you didn't notice we added DarkNote today)

You DRK folks have nothing to say against arguments because you have 0 objectivity, you're just blind fanboys who fell in love with an overated coin... Every coin mentionned in this thread is in fact better than Dash tbh

The reason you're adding more coins is you're not getting much if at all traffic from DRK/DASH people despite provocative straw men attacks. Maybe DarkNote or Navajoe coin guys will give your ad thread steady periodical bumps and visibility.

Oops.. I fell for it again.  

Every thread for every coin is an advertising thread. Come on now.

[ffmad]

People run their masternodes on cheap VMs right now because it's cheap. Because DRK DASH is still very cheap, the rewards for running a node is small - around $30/month or so. If/when DRK DASH grows enough that authorities who can request private data from cloud operators actually get interested enough to do so, the rewards for running a masternode are likely to be more than $1000/month. And when you get $1000/month for running a node, you're not going to run it in Amazon. Obviously someone might, but that's ok - anonymization by masternodes is designed to resists huge sybil attacks.

On what base do you think the reward will be more than $1000/month for a Masternode in the future ?

If the reward is high, much more people will run Masternodes, then the reward will be ... much lower.
It's like mining, when you can make "easy" money, lot of people will do the same, and in the end, the reward will never be that good.

So I think the majority of Masternodes will always run on cheap servers

No answers to that Illodin ?

You're just talk and hype, like DASH 

[illodin]

People run their masternodes on cheap VMs right now because it's cheap. Because DRK DASH is still very cheap, the rewards for running a node is small - around $30/month or so. If/when DRK DASH grows enough that authorities who can request private data from cloud operators actually get interested enough to do so, the rewards for running a masternode are likely to be more than $1000/month. And when you get $1000/month for running a node, you're not going to run it in Amazon. Obviously someone might, but that's ok - anonymization by masternodes is designed to resists huge sybil attacks.

On what base do you think the reward will be more than $1000/month for a Masternode in the future ?

If the reward is high, much more people will run Masternodes, then the reward will be ... much lower.
It's like mining, when you can make "easy" money, lot of people will do the same, and in the end, the reward will never be that good.

So I think the majority of Masternodes will always run on cheap servers

No answers to that Illodin ?

You're just talk and hype, like DASH  

I already told you I don't like bumping your SDC ad/spam thread. If you have questions regarding DRK/DASH, post in DRK/DASH thread.

But just this one special bump for SDC: Total hashrate is practically unlimited. Total number of coins hence total number of masternodes is not.

[Pline]

People run their masternodes on cheap VMs right now because it's cheap. Because DRK DASH is still very cheap, the rewards for running a node is small - around $30/month or so. If/when DRK DASH grows enough that authorities who can request private data from cloud operators actually get interested enough to do so, the rewards for running a masternode are likely to be more than $1000/month. And when you get $1000/month for running a node, you're not going to run it in Amazon. Obviously someone might, but that's ok - anonymization by masternodes is designed to resists huge sybil attacks.

On what base do you think the reward will be more than $1000/month for a Masternode in the future ?

If the reward is high, much more people will run Masternodes, then the reward will be ... much lower.
It's like mining, when you can make "easy" money, lot of people will do the same, and in the end, the reward will never be that good.

So I think the majority of Masternodes will always run on cheap servers

No answers to that Illodin ?

You're just talk and hype, like DASH  

I already told you I don't like bumping your SDC ad/spam thread. If you have questions regarding DRK/DASH, post in DRK/DASH thread.

But just this one special bump for SDC: Total hashrate is practically unlimited. Total number of coins hence total number of masternodes is not.

It seems the more centralized nature of DASH masternodes poses a regulatory risk.  If the number of master nodes is limited, then it means they will be easier targets by governments in order to deanonymize the system in the name of stopping terrorism and money laundering.

[illodin]

It seems SDC is just recycling the same old FUD that's been debunked multiple times during the last year or so in order to provoke more traffic to their ad/spam thread.

For any real concerns/questions, visit DRK/DASH thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615

[ffmad]

People run their masternodes on cheap VMs right now because it's cheap. Because DRK DASH is still very cheap, the rewards for running a node is small - around $30/month or so. If/when DRK DASH grows enough that authorities who can request private data from cloud operators actually get interested enough to do so, the rewards for running a masternode are likely to be more than $1000/month. And when you get $1000/month for running a node, you're not going to run it in Amazon. Obviously someone might, but that's ok - anonymization by masternodes is designed to resists huge sybil attacks.

On what base do you think the reward will be more than $1000/month for a Masternode in the future ?

If the reward is high, much more people will run Masternodes, then the reward will be ... much lower.
It's like mining, when you can make "easy" money, lot of people will do the same, and in the end, the reward will never be that good.

So I think the majority of Masternodes will always run on cheap servers

No answers to that Illodin ?

You're just talk and hype, like DASH  

I already told you I don't like bumping your SDC ad/spam thread. If you have questions regarding DRK/DASH, post in DRK/DASH thread.

But just this one special bump for SDC: Total hashrate is practically unlimited. Total number of coins hence total number of masternodes is not.

You're right it's an even bigger problem. Masternodes are a really really unfair version of Staking, where only the richest and first adopters can profit.

I will let David Latapie talk about that later, I've seen a good draft from him on that point  

It seems SDC is just recycling the same old FUD that's been debunked multiple times during the last year or so in order to provoke more traffic to their ad/spam thread.

For any real concerns/questions, visit DRK/DASH thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615

You know, some guys visiting the thread here may have real questions about real anonymous coins like XMR, SDC or XDN.  

If they have financial questions, you're right, it would be better if they ask directly in DASH thread

[illodin]

You're right it's an even bigger problem. Masternodes are a really really unfair version of Staking, where only the richest and first adopters can profit.

Getting boring to debunk the same rehashed FUD, but just this once: You can pool 1000 users together each with 1 coin and run a masternode.

If you have any original material, feel free to visit DRK/DASH thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615

[WealthyBastard]

You're right it's an even bigger problem. Masternodes are a really really unfair version of Staking, where only the richest and first adopters can profit.

Getting boring to debunk the same rehashed FUD, but just this once: You can pool 1000 users together each with 1 coin and run a masternode.

If you have any original material, feel free to visit DRK/DASH thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615

http://media.giphy.com/media/HJTBvT7cTQqFq/giphy.gif

Booooohoooooo DRK blind and retarded fanboys can't handle arguments

Yeah dude, go discuss economy in your thread. We're here to talk about anonymity, a thing SDC/XMR/XDN deeply include.
You might not know how it works, you should take a look at these coins and learn

[BootstrapCoinDev]

Monero already uses stealth addresses along with ring signatures to anonymize all transactions, and will have I2P support built in down the road. Its only drawbacks right now are in the area of ease of use, as, for example, the blockchain currently takes up a lot of system memory. That being said, people are already testing the fix for this on the development branch, so that won't even be an issue for much longer.

[Dofus]

DRK niggas be like

[P3RS3US]

DRK niggas be like

snipped

If you post on DRK / DASH (or indeed XMR) thread you risk being labelled a troll and r usually accused of advertising.
If you create a thread specifically for the purpose of comparing coins you are once again accused of advertising.

Ostrich anybody? They are in plentiful supply and r quite delicious.

snipped


(I'll delete the gifs in this post in a couple hours.
I dont wanna lower the tone (any further anyway))

[illodin]

If you create a thread specifically for the purpose of comparing coins you are once again accused of advertising.

You can create threads to compare things no problem. When you start creating straw men and ever increasingly aggressive FUD attacks out of frustration because you're not getting the attention you want it starts to look like advertising.

[Dofus]

If you create a thread specifically for the purpose of comparing coins you are once again accused of advertising.

You can create threads to compare things no problem. When you start creating straw men and ever increasingly aggressive FUD attacks out of frustration because you're not getting the attention you want it starts to look like advertising.

Actually, you did start the attacks. There's no agressivity here, just some people loving an overated coin way too much...

I'd say that DRK is the Apple of crypto : thousands of sheeps following the shit

And again, you did not awnser to any arguments yet, you prefer screaming at the "advertisment".

[illodin]

you did not awnser to any arguments yet

Stop lying. Or learn to read.

[P3RS3US]

If you create a thread specifically for the purpose of comparing coins you are once again accused of advertising.

You can create threads to compare things no problem. When you start creating straw men and ever increasingly aggressive FUD attacks out of frustration because you're not getting the attention you want it starts to look like advertising.

Shadow doesn't get the attention it deserves imo. This thread serves to compare tech features of which Shadow has many.
It doesn't have any spin (at least that I can perceive) and the chart serves as a pretty decent measure of different anon coins' features.

The Chart is a good initiative and should be maintained/updated regularly.

It is seldom you see an effort to lay facts out so clearly in the crypto-world.

The chart unavoidably advertises every coin which it compares.
I don't see any problem here

[RandomBTCinvestor]

If you create a thread specifically for the purpose of comparing coins you are once again accused of advertising.

You can create threads to compare things no problem. When you start creating straw men and ever increasingly aggressive FUD attacks out of frustration because you're not getting the attention you want it starts to look like advertising.

Shadow doesn't get the attention it deserves imo. This thread serves to compare tech features of which Shadow has many.
It doesn't have any spin (at least that I can perceive) and the chart serves as a pretty decent measure of different anon coins' features.

The Chart is a good initiative and should be maintained/updated regularly.

It is seldom you see an effort to lay facts out so clearly in the crypto-world.

The chart unavoidably advertises every coin which it compares.
I don't see any problem here

Of course it does. Obviously it advertises SDC but what's the problem ? We're just showing our tech and its potential, like we show monero and Darknote ones.
Sadly... There's not a lot to show with DRK

[toknormal]

You DRK folks have nothing to say against arguments because you have 0 objectivity, you're just blind fanboys who fell in love with an overated coin... Every coin mentionned in this thread is in fact better than Dash tbh

I'll give you that Cryptonote is an interesting technology and - at least as far as cryptography goes - can be more secure than a single round in a mixer. But I don't think it's very well suited to supporting anonymity or fungibility in cryptocurrencies.

The problem is that while it might be very secure in terms of 'hiding' a transaction, cryptonote puts all its eggs in one basket - a totally centralised solution. Break the cryptonote algo and you've rendered the entire money supply useless with subsequent collapse of the whole financial system based around that currency.

That might be only a theoretical threat, but the fact that it's architectured in that centralised way creates a huge potential single point of failure that hangs over the currency forever.

On the other hand, the way that DRK/DASH has approached fungibility is far more of a monetary oriented solution.

You manage to de-anonymise a single transaction ? So what ? You need to reproduce the effort iteratively a million times to even begin to threaten the money supply because each transaction has to be separately solved on a case by case basis. It's the very *absence* of a systematic cryptographical approach that keeps the coin supply secure as a whole and stops that crack from propagating.

Further, all the comparisons you get on these threads between the security of "cryptography" and the security of "mixing" are totally unrealistic because they compare a single cryptographically secured transaction with a single mixing transaction. In fact the way that the Darkcoin network is architected means that you're mixing transaction has hundreds of layers of redundancy behind it. You aren't transfering from a known source entity to a known payment entity and trying to hide it, your transferring from a mixed wallet to another mixed, anonymous wallet to another mixed, anonymous wallet....add infinitum.

In addition to that, the coin supply is pre-emptively anonymised, so at the point of transaction you're just doing a regular Joe bitcoin payment from one address to the other. There's another monetary property ticked: visibility and accountability. No nuclear-secret paranoia, it's all out in the open just anonymous - exactly as true cash should operate.

So I don't deny the cryptography fanclub their 'Concorde' against DRK's Boeing 747. I just think they're solving the wrong problem - messaging encryption instead of monetary fungibility and maximum adoption by way of supporting the legacy infrastructure.