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Author Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It  (Read 3901528 times)
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January 10, 2014, 02:13:58 PM
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One issue I never see discussed is the role of the "Institutional investor". That is to say, there are a fair number of funds out there that may (or may not) hold AM shares in their portfolios. It is a bluechip stock in the bitcoin world after all, even with low dividends.

I cannot really state with any certainty what effect they may have, but I would assume it is non-zero.

Not sure there are any established/revered/respected funds (yet) that would create a follower-effect like a Berkshire would in the "real world".

Obviously you have demand concerns, if a large fund wanted to build a 10-20% position of their portfolio in AM..but that would likely be done through direct shares behind the scenes. I'm unsure if there are any funds in existence in the BTC world that are substantial size, +10,000 BTC would do it..

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January 10, 2014, 02:27:42 PM
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200 shares was for am100 n00b. stop bs

It's bad enough that immature kids plague online games calling people noobs, now one reveals herself here. Easiest "ignore" ever.
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January 10, 2014, 04:15:29 PM
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One issue I never see discussed is the role of the "Institutional investor". That is to say, there are a fair number of funds out there that may (or may not) hold AM shares in their portfolios. It is a bluechip stock in the bitcoin world after all, even with low dividends.

I cannot really state with any certainty what effect they may have, but I would assume it is non-zero.

There is no such thing as a blue chip company in the bitcoin world; and even if there were, ASICMiner certainly wouldn't be one (cf. 2nd gen fiasco, current reliability of earnings).
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January 11, 2014, 09:09:56 AM
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One issue I never see discussed is the role of the "Institutional investor". That is to say, there are a fair number of funds out there that may (or may not) hold AM shares in their portfolios. It is a bluechip stock in the bitcoin world after all, even with low dividends.

I cannot really state with any certainty what effect they may have, but I would assume it is non-zero.

There is no such thing as a blue chip company in the bitcoin world; and even if there were, ASICMiner certainly wouldn't be one (cf. 2nd gen fiasco, current reliability of earnings).

lol. Gimme a better one? Have you ever looked Apples fucked up projects? They out number their successes 10:1.
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January 11, 2014, 12:25:33 PM
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lol. Gimme a better one? Have you ever looked Apples fucked up projects? They out number their successes 10:1.
If you want to give a number, give a number which makes sense, or provide data to back it up.

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January 13, 2014, 04:08:28 PM
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I hope FC provides us a (vague) roadmap for the deployment of gen3 hardware and chips once tapeout is completed successfully and production of the chips is on its way

I should have gotten into Bitcoin back in 1992...
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January 13, 2014, 04:19:38 PM
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When was the tapeout announcement due? 14th was it?
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January 13, 2014, 04:22:35 PM
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When was the tapeout announcement due? 14th was it?

I believe the 17th, but I'm not sure.

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January 13, 2014, 04:23:17 PM
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When was the tapeout announcement due? 14th was it?

Tapeout is supposed to take place on the 20th. I hope FC also announces whether it was successful a few days later...

I should have gotten into Bitcoin back in 1992...
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January 13, 2014, 04:41:37 PM
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It was announced so long ago we've all forgotten lol

20th rings a bell but that's because FC normally reports on the 20th ... normally ... thought the tapeout was happening before that.

Anyone got a link to the FC announcement?
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January 13, 2014, 04:43:31 PM
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It was announced so long ago we've all forgotten lol

20th rings a bell but that's because FC normally reports on the 20th ... normally ... thought the tapeout was happening before that.

Anyone got a link to the FC announcement?

Easy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=49840;sa=showPosts
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January 13, 2014, 04:44:20 PM
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It was announced so long ago we've all forgotten lol

20th rings a bell but that's because FC normally reports on the 20th ... normally ... thought the tapeout was happening before that.

Anyone got a link to the FC announcement?

Update

PR & Communications
We understand that transparency and communication to shareholders and the public needs improvement. We are in the process of identifying a dedicated employee for this. We will issue bi-weekly reports for shareholders and improve response time for questions.

Next Gen Chips
The projected time of taping out of Gen3 is January 20. Power consumption target estimation is <0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. Please notice that the timeline is of course subject to change/adjust, and the estimation on power and cost is also based on software tool/simulation results.

Current Hardware Sales
The number of cubes left for sale/deployment is 9000. About 1/3 are ordered already. All older devices (USBs/new blades) are sold out.

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January 13, 2014, 05:20:16 PM
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When was the tapeout announcement due? 14th was it?

Tapeout is supposed to take place on the 20th. I hope FC also announces whether it was successful a few days later...

You win the prize for remembering correctly Smiley

Darned - at least another 6 days to wait before we get any news ....
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January 13, 2014, 07:08:29 PM
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lol. Gimme a better one? Have you ever looked Apples fucked up projects? They out number their successes 10:1.
If you want to give a number, give a number which makes sense, or provide data to back it up.

http://bit.ly/1ky8MlG
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January 13, 2014, 07:13:57 PM
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lol. Gimme a better one? Have you ever looked Apples fucked up projects? They out number their successes 10:1.
If you want to give a number, give a number which makes sense, or provide data to back it up.

http://bit.ly/1ky8MlG

Dude - this isn't an Apple thread. We really don't care how many Apple products have failed or succeeded.
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January 14, 2014, 03:17:55 AM
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FWIW, and this is mining in general not AM specific:

from http://www.vcpost.com/articles/20752/20140113/top-10-predictions-bitcoin-2014-source.htm

"2. Mining 'will not' be dead

A lot of press notes and individual viewpoints state that mining is dead as we are already in the petahash domain and are restricted by Moore's law from a technological stand point. I believed this until I heard Butterfly Labs and HighBitcoin talk about how enterprises can potential adopt mining. With transactions and transaction fees rising, it would be highly profitable for large enterprises to have data centers with mining equipment to process daily transactions. The medium enterprises, who cannot invest in capital expenditure, would resort to cloud based mining. Finally, the small enterprises would have to pay the transaction fees, to the network. This fees would still be lower than in comparison to Visa and Mastercard. In conclusion, we can potentially witness investment from large and medium enterprises in mining farms as early as the end of 2014."

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January 14, 2014, 03:21:18 AM
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FWIW, and this is mining in general not AM specific:

from http://www.vcpost.com/articles/20752/20140113/top-10-predictions-bitcoin-2014-source.htm

"2. Mining 'will not' be dead

A lot of press notes and individual viewpoints state that mining is dead as we are already in the petahash domain and are restricted by Moore's law from a technological stand point. I believed this until I heard Butterfly Labs and HighBitcoin talk about how enterprises can potential adopt mining. With transactions and transaction fees rising, it would be highly profitable for large enterprises to have data centers with mining equipment to process daily transactions. The medium enterprises, who cannot invest in capital expenditure, would resort to cloud based mining. Finally, the small enterprises would have to pay the transaction fees, to the network. This fees would still be lower than in comparison to Visa and Mastercard. In conclusion, we can potentially witness investment from large and medium enterprises in mining farms as early as the end of 2014."



If bitcoin takes off in a shopping sense in 2014 (Overstock now, possibly NewEgg soon, then who knows who else), the dream of earning significant BTC from transaction fees could finally start looking like a reality.

Just need some hardware first Smiley
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January 14, 2014, 07:21:03 PM
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It's a cart before the horse thing.  You need to have the higher transaction fees in place before anyone will invest in the hardware to earn from them.  (Assuming that is their only intention.  Not to be confused with the miners who do both mining and earn transaction fees.) 

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January 14, 2014, 09:11:58 PM
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It's a cart before the horse thing.  You need to have the higher transaction fees in place before anyone will invest in the hardware to earn from them.  (Assuming that is their only intention.  Not to be confused with the miners who do both mining and earn transaction fees.)  
wat?

Every miner earns the base reward + the transaction fees when it solves a block.
They are not distinct.

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January 14, 2014, 09:51:01 PM
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Auctioning off some of my shares (25)

check it out:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=416012.0
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