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Author Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It  (Read 3888318 times)
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April 30, 2013, 03:00:34 AM
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Check out this latest change to 0.8.2:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2577

This pull defines 'uneconomic dust' as 54.3 uBTC (5430 satoshis, about $0.007 at current prices), and treats any transaction with outputs less than 5430 satoshis as non-standard (won't be relayed, won't be mined). 5430 satoshis is derived from the cost (in fees) to spend a TxOut/TxIn. See https://people.xiph.org/~greg/txouts2.png for proportion of recent outputs this will (eventually) affect.

Will this make the initial Satoshis sent on dividends no longer relay/get mined?

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April 30, 2013, 03:30:38 AM
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So ASICMINER don't have secondary pool in case 1st pool went offline Huh. Isn't that like.... easy to setup or something?
We are switching to solo mode since we could not find enough pools having stable connection from China to distribute the hashpower.

The solo solution is being tested/done along with the deployment. The only problem is transparency. We plan to do it with writing information to the coinbase transaction to let everyone check.

You should consider p2pool instead of solo. Your traffic stays local like solo, but your variance is decreased like it would be on a pool.

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April 30, 2013, 03:56:07 AM
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So ASICMINER don't have secondary pool in case 1st pool went offline Huh. Isn't that like.... easy to setup or something?
We are switching to solo mode since we could not find enough pools having stable connection from China to distribute the hashpower.

The solo solution is being tested/done along with the deployment. The only problem is transparency. We plan to do it with writing information to the coinbase transaction to let everyone check.

You should consider p2pool instead of solo. Your traffic stays local like solo, but your variance is decreased like it would be on a pool.

+1, and increase the income by using this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=62842.0

Not suggesting we actually invest in alt-coins (Although it wouldn't be a bad idea), Just suggesting collecting them and selling them daily on vircurex or something.

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April 30, 2013, 04:29:12 AM
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Doesn't people get high stales and orphans from p2pool?
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April 30, 2013, 04:39:40 AM
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Doesn't people get high stales and orphans from p2pool?

Used to. Not as much anymore. But some people around here claim to be still bad though. But is it worse than solo?

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April 30, 2013, 04:44:45 AM
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Just imagine all the share holders pointing at your pool even if it requires higher fees just to get the chances of us getting a block more probable.  Grin

talk about incentive   Shocked
No, it's not the business range of ASICMINER.

Also, public pool is an attract of both cyber and social attack which we would not like to be involved in.

What we will provide is transparency. We would not accept outside hashpowers.

this is good news.
i dont think there will be anymore of a transparency issue than there is already, if asicminer want to screw over the shareholders they could already by directing some of their hardware to other pools/solo. so it dosnt really change much as long as they report their solo mining numbers.
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April 30, 2013, 06:01:35 AM
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+1 on p2pool Cheesy

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April 30, 2013, 06:30:19 AM
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So ASICMINER don't have secondary pool in case 1st pool went offline Huh. Isn't that like.... easy to setup or something?
We are switching to solo mode since we could not find enough pools having stable connection from China to distribute the hashpower.

The solo solution is being tested/done along with the deployment. The only problem is transparency. We plan to do it with writing information to the coinbase transaction to let everyone check.

You should consider p2pool instead of solo. Your traffic stays local like solo, but your variance is decreased like it would be on a pool.

+1, and increase the income by using this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=62842.0

Not suggesting we actually invest in alt-coins (Although it wouldn't be a bad idea), Just suggesting collecting them and selling them daily on vircurex or something.

So we merge mine with these asics for alt currencies and then dump them on exchanges? Do you realize how fast the value will fall for these alt currencies doing this? It will quickly become worthless.  I cant imagine this is the direction ASICminer will go.

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April 30, 2013, 06:35:00 AM
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So ASICMINER don't have secondary pool in case 1st pool went offline Huh. Isn't that like.... easy to setup or something?
We are switching to solo mode since we could not find enough pools having stable connection from China to distribute the hashpower.

The solo solution is being tested/done along with the deployment. The only problem is transparency. We plan to do it with writing information to the coinbase transaction to let everyone check.

You should consider p2pool instead of solo. Your traffic stays local like solo, but your variance is decreased like it would be on a pool.

+1, and increase the income by using this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=62842.0

Not suggesting we actually invest in alt-coins (Although it wouldn't be a bad idea), Just suggesting collecting them and selling them daily on vircurex or something.

So we merge mine with these asics for alt currencies and then dump them on exchanges? Do you realize how fast the value will fall for these alt currencies doing this? It will quickly become worthless.  I cant imagine this is the direction ASICminer will go.
Well, Bitcoins on general will not be affected at all I guess, (and probably be bolstered)  so I don't think it'll be worthless as the alts are only piggybacked during the mining if I'm not wrong.

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April 30, 2013, 06:50:24 AM
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So ASICMINER don't have secondary pool in case 1st pool went offline Huh. Isn't that like.... easy to setup or something?
We are switching to solo mode since we could not find enough pools having stable connection from China to distribute the hashpower.

The solo solution is being tested/done along with the deployment. The only problem is transparency. We plan to do it with writing information to the coinbase transaction to let everyone check.

You should consider p2pool instead of solo. Your traffic stays local like solo, but your variance is decreased like it would be on a pool.

+1, and increase the income by using this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=62842.0

Not suggesting we actually invest in alt-coins (Although it wouldn't be a bad idea), Just suggesting collecting them and selling them daily on vircurex or something.

So we merge mine with these asics for alt currencies and then dump them on exchanges? Do you realize how fast the value will fall for these alt currencies doing this? It will quickly become worthless.  I cant imagine this is the direction ASICminer will go.
Well, Bitcoins on general will not be affected at all I guess, (and probably be bolstered)  so I don't think it'll be worthless as the alts are only piggybacked during the mining if I'm not wrong.

seems like the sensible thing to do.
also bolsters these alts against being 51'd
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April 30, 2013, 06:54:32 AM
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If you merge mine for example NMC today with 20% haspower of the BTC network, you would get around 3.6k a day.

That's about 1.5% of the daily NMC trading volume at the moment... So i don't think it would "destroy" the price of
the coin or anything. But You would get an extra 30 BTC or so Wink

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April 30, 2013, 06:56:24 AM
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True, and we're also helping the alts along. (and making some coins too  Tongue)

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April 30, 2013, 07:27:15 AM
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You can always just disperse them as dividends  Grin

Just thought about it... too complicated for other shareholders.....

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April 30, 2013, 09:14:46 AM
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You should consider p2pool instead of solo. Your traffic stays local like solo, but your variance is decreased like it would be on a pool.

Come on Diablo, with 8 Th/s, variance is a non-issue. They mine 500+ blocks per month on average. They have more chances of being hit by thunder 10 times than to mine zero blocks during a specific month and being unable to cover their monthly expenditures.

p2pool leads to a higher orphan rate than solo mining.

Solo mining is obviously the best choice with 8 Th/s.
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April 30, 2013, 09:16:59 AM
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You should consider p2pool instead of solo. Your traffic stays local like solo, but your variance is decreased like it would be on a pool.

Come on Diablo, with 8 Th/s, variance is a non-issue. They mine 500+ blocks per month on average. They have more chances of being hit by thunder 10 times than to mine zero blocks during a specific month and being unable to cover their monthly expenditures.


Variance will only remain a non-issue if they keep adding hashrate so that they remain at a constant proportion (or increased proportion) of the network. As soon as the their proportion decreases, variance will increase.

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April 30, 2013, 09:18:41 AM
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Variance will only remain a non-issue if they keep adding hashrate so that they remain at a constant proportion (or increased proportion) of the network. As soon as the their proportion decreases, variance will increase.

friedcat estimates he will average 10% of the network over the next 12 months. If that is true, variance will not be an issue in the next 12 months.
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April 30, 2013, 09:33:20 AM
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Variance will only remain a non-issue if they keep adding hashrate so that they remain at a constant proportion (or increased proportion) of the network. As soon as the their proportion decreases, variance will increase.

friedcat estimates he will average 10% of the network over the next 12 months. If that is true, variance will not be an issue in the next 12 months.

you both more or less said the same thing,

Yes indeed. I said it first though, so kudos to me Wink

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April 30, 2013, 09:33:31 AM
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You should consider p2pool instead of solo. Your traffic stays local like solo, but your variance is decreased like it would be on a pool.

Come on Diablo, with 8 Th/s, variance is a non-issue. They mine 500+ blocks per month on average. They have more chances of being hit by thunder 10 times than to mine zero blocks during a specific month and being unable to cover their monthly expenditures.

p2pool leads to a higher orphan rate than solo mining.

Solo mining is obviously the best choice with 8 Th/s.

I totally agree with this. Solo is definitely the best option for ASICMINER and it's shareholders. Please don't go into experiments like p2p pool
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April 30, 2013, 09:34:17 AM
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You should consider p2pool instead of solo. Your traffic stays local like solo, but your variance is decreased like it would be on a pool.

Come on Diablo, with 8 Th/s, variance is a non-issue. They mine 500+ blocks per month on average. They have more chances of being hit by thunder 10 times than to mine zero blocks during a specific month and being unable to cover their monthly expenditures.


Variance will only remain a non-issue if they keep adding hashrate so that they remain at a constant proportion (or increased proportion) of the network. As soon as the their proportion decreases, variance will increase.

If network percentage drops joining a pool is a non-issue again...
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April 30, 2013, 09:44:40 AM
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Since we're still on the topic, if ASICMiner is at 10% of the network, then the 95% confidence interval for daily earnings will be 175btc to 525btc daily and 2050btc to 2950btc weekly (while the block reward is 25btc per block).


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