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Any theories? Anyone know anything already?

A quick article I just googled:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-boston-marathon-explosion-20130415,0,641755.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-boston-marathon-explosion-20130415,0,641755.story)

Of course, people are freaking out that the terrorists have struck again...

Just now hearing about it for the first time.

I'm going to guess that it'll be blamed on Iran or North Korea.

Yes, it's a very good thing bombs are illegal. Imagine what the world would be like if they weren't. I suspect North Korea did it in the kitchen with the pipe.

BLAST! You beat me to it!

Any reason why Americans have amnesty?  Wouldn't an American be the likely candidate for a bombing in America?

Just...going to throw that out there.  When a slaughtering happens in Africa, we don't blame it on the French.

I'm betting domestic too.

Well, christ. I was being sarcastic again and no one picked up on it. I seriously doubt it was N. Korea... Seriously. My suspicion is that the talking heads will blame it on N. Korea as ridiculous as it sounds.

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I know you were bub :P  But it's funny how people will honestly blame NK or the middle-east for all the bad that happens in their country.

Oh, JESUS! I didn't notice your full user name until after I posted. And THAT is the truth! Fuck, now I am getting confused... I was just saying christ for effect.

Who's on first?

Is he?

No, He's on third.

So who's on second?

I predict fingers will be pointed everywhere, and nobody will remember the names of the victims, only of the people who did this.

Just like every other fucking thing like this.

Weirdly enough, this comment being continuously edited on reddit is the best news source on this tragedy so far:

http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1ceng3/boston_marathon_explosion_nsfw_gore/c9frhn5

It's not that weird. Every big news story has a thread just like this on reddit with the OP continuously updating. I remember it happening with Newtown and Christopher Dorner.

This will definitely be blamed on Iran.  Either that or "right wing extremists" aka people who own firearms.

I just saw that a 20 year old Saudi is in custody. So here is what we have:

3 bombs with potentially + 7 more undetonated + 15 April - US tax day, * BS tensions with N. Korea = immediate full invasion of Syria and then absolute vaporization of Iran and possible N. Korea as the cherry on top. Makes sense doesn't it?

Quick; we need domestic drones to protect us from the terrorists!!

:-\

I hate this country.

ohfuck. I had forgotten that today was taxfest (http://www.pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Taxfest).

Couldn't they have just dumped some boxes of tea into the harbor like proper gentlemen? This is getting ridiculous!

With everyone looking to pint fingers at Iran, NK, Tea party, etc; the mooninites will surely get away with it. Clever bastards.

+1 , only it's not the country I hate. It's our GOVERNMENT, or lack of government.

Meanwhile 30 people where killed in a bombing in Afghanistan (during a wedding) today and 50+ people in deadly bombings in Iraq.  But who gives a fuck about them, when some shit goes down in MERIKA! >:(

I just hope bloomberg doesn't try to link this to bitcoin. Based on their bitcoin coverage from last week you never know.

Millions slaughtered in the middle east?  Who gives a shit, Snooki had a fucking BABY!  Does that mean nothing to you people?!


I'd love a lack of government ;D  Right now, we've got too too much government.  But you're right, I have nothing against this country, or its people.  I just don't like being the 99%.

Breiwik's attack on multiculturalists also were initially reported as Al-Qaeda attack. The western propaganda runs ahead of both horse and carriage.

Even as a supporter of such bombing attacks in asymmetric warfare (and USA is at war with many) I don't see the marathon as a good target to bomb. There are many international participants from nations potentially friendly to bombers who might get killed or injured as a result. There are better and just as easy targets that could win both support of population and strategic military victory when bombed. Federal government buildings, military bases or companies supplying military, political organizations opposing the bombers, the list goes on and on. Bombing of sporting event makes no sense to me.

Good point.  Killing random people doesn't do much good (but it does work in America's favor so they can pull more terrorist bullshit out of their ass.)  Why is it that the military is never under fire over here?  You'd figure, if anything, you'd want to do some damage to this 500+ billion dollar military.  Naw, let's just target a parade instead, because that'll show those darn evil Americans!  :-\  This had to have been staged.  You don't simply insert bombs in a random location, completely undetected, and then "get caught".

tbh, I'm surprised there was actually an explosion. Their normal routine is to grab a disaffected youth, convince him it's X/Y/Z's fault his mommy didn't get him a porsche for his 16th birthday, and tell him to call this cell number blow up an X/Y/Z event to get back at them. Of course, the cell phone number isn't attached to anything, and the whole operation's been a set-up to begin with, but hey, they "foiled a terrorist plot," so they get a nice fat bonus on the next round of appropriations.

I don't know what anyone could have hoped to achieve by blowing up a f'kin marathon, but, then, I'm sane.

I don't know what country you're in but if a bombing happens on our on soil it IS more important and more newsworthy, even if the death toll isn't as high. It would be the same as if the same type of bombing happend in England or Spain. Domestic attacks are always more important.

No wonder the middle east hates us, then, 'cos we've been doing that to them every other day for the past decade.

Good point: lots of participants were international. This is a known fact about Boston Marathon. Whoever detonated the bombs, knew this, too.

Seems like a perfect target if you wish to pump up international efforts on "war on terror". Help our allies jump on board, and head towards... uhm... Iran? Syria? NK? We will know soon.

I don't know about you, but I don't even own a Predator drone, and if I did, I certainly wouldn't use it to blow up weddings. If you're doing so, I suggest you stop. It seems to be pissing them off.

I see your point ;D  Also, congrats on your 8000th post :P

Why? I haven't seen or heard that. Likely Islamic terrorists or domestic. Common sense points to those two, as the past has indicated that those two have happened before.

And don't bother answering why. I actually think your supposition is ridiculous - not what the media might blame it on.

I still laugh whenever I watch that on YouTube.

I can't see this being Islamic terrorists. Tax day in Boston?

I'm surprised we haven't seen more speculation on the news. I would have thought they'd have been making insinuations about the tea party. It's bound to just be some nutcase like that guy who flew his little plane into that building a few years back. Though truly, the tax burden is bound to push a few people to the edge, the MO of this attack just screams "unbalanced".

They trotted the Lead Oval Office Talking Head out for this one. It's National Security Theater designed to make the unthinking population (50%+) scared and thus more manipulable.

That incident was in Austin, TX.  He flew it into the IRS office.  The building was totaled from the fire.  I drove by there as a matter of routine.
He gave up, and lost all his options.  Never give up.

Non stop vision vision of the events in Boston on tv all day here in Adelaide, regardless of the cynicism expressed in the above posts, some idiot or collection of idiots has once again seen fit to kill innocent people in order to vent their spleen or further their misbegotten causes.

My sympathy to ALL Americans, my condolences to victims families.

My point was that common sense often isn't used when things like this happens. (Let alone the fact that whoever did it also didn't use any common sense.)

The time stamp might be worth looking at too... I made that post nearly 7.5 hours before yours - during the time that shit was just getting out about it. People are gonna speculate on how things will unfold.

Why did you ask me why? Please, don't bother answering why.

It has always occured strange to me that after incidents like this, police, millitary and other security forces are on high alert, and patroling the area with heavy armed officers. Everyone knows that this always happens. So if anyone does anything nefarious, they'll make damn sure they get away as quickly as possible, and preferrably have a bomb that they can set off remotely. I understand the police needs to be alert, but I always find the overreaction in such cases mildly amusing.

I read that SWAT teams are guarding the streets as much as 10 blocks away from the scene of the bomb, I guess if anything actually happened, the local authorities would get critisism for not having better security, but really - isn't this just trying to close the stall door after the horse has gone ?

It's worse than that. Psy has a new video out that in my opinion sucks, yet has had 77 million plus views in two days, but here we are in this forum structuring a system to make their lives better and 99,999999% of those viewers could give a shit.

I saw someone saying something to that effect on youtube recently, there was a documentary about monetary systems, and a user said, well - only 110000 views, and a video where some silly girl is drunk on a reality show gets 7 million views.

It only goes to show that most people don't care about anything but existing. They've been  conditioned into thinking that working and providing for their family is all there is. And outside of that they just seek entertainment, they're not interested in political stuff. That's difficult - and difficult - people don't like that.

These are the same masses that are duped by huge PR campaigns and political campaigns before elections.

If everyone straightend up and said: Damn it, I will support the banking system no more, and everybody started accepting bitcoin, then the farmer could take bitcoins for his eggs, he could pay the gas station owner for bitcoins buying his gas, the gas station owner could buy bread from the bakery with bitcoins, and the owner of the bakery could buy eggs from the farmer with the bitcoins. Thus a local economy could be sustained with bitcoin only.

And yes, the most recent PSY video sucks balls. His first one was great, but now it seems like he thinks he's a success no matter what he does, so he just does random shit. Nice asian chicks though.

Am I the only person in the US who can admit that they don't actually care about what's going on in either of these places? I'm so sick of hearing about this crap that I'm actually annoyed by the coverage.

I mean, I hate war and death, yes. But I have no more emotional investment into the concept of 'murica than I do the middle east. It's horrible and all, and yeah I'd rather it not be happening, but it's outside of my control and not even within the realm of my interests. Why should I give some sort of traumatic emotional response to something I'm not at all invested in?

I live in a country that accounts for nearly half of the world's total military spending, so why should I be surprised that there's feedback from our conquests?

Link?

This here is pretty much why I agree with the other thread, that compares Bitcoin to Galt's Gulch from Atlas Shrug, and think that the best, and possibly only, option for us is to just slowly migrate into bitcoin by ourselves, away from the established banking and political system, and leave everyone to their own stupid shit. Easy enough when BTC aren't taxed, aren't restricted, and are easy enough to take with you to other countries and trade for cash there.

John's Gulch from Atlas Shrug? You need to stop buying your books from those discount outlets ;)

Doh! Fixed. Thanks.

1/2 fixed.

Lol... are the Chinese doing knock-offs of poorly written political fiction now?

Those who study bombers have found a strong correlation between bombings and timing. That makes the date an important clue. Yesterday was tax day in America and patriot day in Boston. Boston is also the cradle of the American revolution.

My theory is that this was an act of domestic terrorism. Linked to the "sovereign citizens" movement. We should look for a 35-50yr. old American citizen who is anti-government and has few social contacts. Particularly someone hit hard by the economic downturn. I would think a lone wolf type.  

My heart goes out to the victims.



To the rest of you trolls. FUCK OFF! Express some compassion in that barren wasteland you call your soul and show some respect to the people who lost their lives.

Why would he bomb a marathon, though? That's only going to create more government.

Cause he is stupid/unhinged. The only sane way to implement some kind of dissidence is with a decent sized group of like-minded people so you have backup and support. This is a problem for lone-wolf-types and the frustration also feeds back into their alienation and paranoia. This is a desperate act, I have no doubt.

Domestic intelligence terrorism, more like.

What Richy said makes sense to me. I envision the bomber thinking this will be appreciated by people. It will start the revolution! Of course sane people will see it as a senseless, murderous act. The scary thing is that who ever it was likely was still there when the bomb went off. Security was too tight to place this bomb in advance.
I am guessing it was propane based and used an egg timer or something. It did not appear to me that any shrapnel was used in the design. This was not a person trained in how to make bombs. But this person did feel comfortable moving through a crowd of Americans.

I've yet to catch up with the recent news on this, but I plainly see the logic spelled out above. Interesting!

Nix the Iran-Korea link, now leaning toward a false-flag time-to-end-the-militias-in-America theory.

There was a ton of shrapnel. That's why everyone's legs were blown off. CNN reported that doctors were pulling ball bearings out of the runners legs.

New conspiracy theory: Runners were robots.

I did a google search on "Boston false flag". It's already out there and it's about as lame as you'd expect.

I did not know that. Ball bearings are common shrapnel for an IED. It must have been improperly oriented then. With shrapnel it should have killed dozens. Many of the victims I saw running away showed signs of blast injuries rather than shrapnel wounds. The blast can blow your clothing off without a drop of blood being spilled.
I also wonder about the explosive used. It looked to me to be consistent with propane. A yellow-orange flame with bright white smoke. Some high explosives, like Semtex (RDX), also look like that. If it was an "HE" bomb, then this was something big. Few people can get something like C4.

I'll trust a running coach before I trust the government-media complex. YMMV.

It's always "just a training exercise." And your son died in a "training accident."  >:(

Liars never change their tune if it keeps working.

Just happened to be a training exercise...hoo boy.  "We're lying to you for your own good," more like it.

It was available on Silk Road's armory section not too long ago, before that was taken down.

"Breaking news: Terrorist-operated Bitcoin currency behind the Boston attack."

I saw that too, but it was more than likely a scam. Even underground it is hard to find C4. That stuff is HIGHLY controlled.

Wow, that's crazy. Getting a machine guns, RPGs, or hand grenades are easy compared with plastique. If it was C4 there will be clues. Batches of C4 are chemically tagged and the source of each batch can be tracked.  

EDIT: Now it is being described as a "pressure cooker" design. So, I'm guessing it was an ampho bomb.

I read an article where the reporter contacted one of the people selling C4, and asked if she could order 100lb of it. He made a comment like, "Wow, are you trying to blow up China?" but said that it may be possible, but not easy, and mentioned something about having military contacts in Europe or something. I forget the details.

Oh god. Pressure bombs are for the suicidally stupid. You never know when (or if) it's going to blow, or what might set it off.

From the videos I saw it looks like improvised ANFO bomb. Never played with C4 or more easily available Semtex and I don't know. TNT even when extracted from WW2 and early cold war devices gives much cleaner blast, almost no smoke, only soil blasted in sky if the device was semi-buried.

For the attacker and his motives - I don't know. Many bombs placed in public event requires teamwork in most cases. Still the target makes no sense. Maybe Unabomber was released on parole? :D

C4 have many alternatives, TNT is still used for "professional" made bombs. Never got deep enough in organic chemistry but I think there is nothing that prevents any properly equipped lab to make C4 when not producing LSD or meth. The thing that prevents widespread production of explosives is lack of market for explosives. There are much more junkies out there than bombers.

Almost makes you wonder if this was a coverup for the 9/11 report on torture released today (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gJRi2hTlPRaapqSlDqNfRtR8KJ0w?docId=CNG.cbabdffcb9104aafe8209aea6615e182.551). Or it could just be some wacko....

It was coverup on Justin Bieber concert.

There is finite number of days in year, coincidences of two events will happen. Like original "birthday attack" in crypto ("birthday attack" is not related to terrorism! :D )

Attacker is suspected to be Satoshi Nakamoto of Bitcoin fame!

Satoshi bought explosives from Silk Road!

Etc etc.

But what if the bomber is caught and it turns out he purchased explosives with bitcoin from Armory or Black Market Reloaded?

The government will try to damage Bitcoin. Sheeple will turn away from Bitcoin. But the validity of Bitcoin as uncensorable and anonymous payment tool will be definitely proven to world.

I think it's a good thing.  Bitcoin needs to show it can do anything money can do.  The sheeple will be sheeple, so there's no use fighting them.  They'll either figure out their government doesn't have their best interests in mind, or they'll continue to be sheeple.

Actually Bitcoin can do even more than money can do! And it is party the government's fault. Any bombings. People could not reach their goals under democracy and they turn to weapons. Not to mention the numerous wars and enemies the US government made in name of profit and world domination. The sheeple are always ready to absorb shrapnel in name of democracy.

Next reason for Bitcoin price bubble - people buying bombproof vests on SR with bitcoins.

Maybe so.  I gave up trying to figure out what motivates the worst of people and concentrate on the rest. :)

Bullshit. There are a lot of people in the middle east who do not want democracy, they want totalitarian theocracy (e.g. Taliban, Al'Quaida, various other muslim religious extremists), and they are annoyed that US troops keep interfering with their attempts to start such a regime. So while "We can't get our results through democracy" may be a reason at times, most of the time the reason is "Democracy isn't allowing up to impose our rules on everyone else." Just recent examples of this are bombings of people some don't want here (blacks,  hindus, muslims), and bombings of abortion clinics. None of those bombers were hoping for a democratic society.

And the American government has an uncanny knack for supporting them.

I won't argue that.

I think the mistake we often make (ironically) is treating the US government as a monolithic entity. If it is, it's got a severe multiple personality disorder.

Now, I'm not one for the "Shadow government" conspiracy theories, so I'll just leave it at saying that different agencies have different agendas, and not all of them agree.

True. I'll amend my statement to say that the worst elements of the American government have an uncanny knack for supporting the worst elements of other peoples' governments. I've known members of the military and intelligence establishments that aren't down with the policies and practices of their institutional employer.

And why muslims need democracy if they don't want it? Americans are exactly like russian communists. They force everyone to accept their "best system in the world" or are declared enemies and killed. It is really not surprising they are hated and such acts of revenge are becoming common.

Few people in USA care about drones bombing funerals and weddings in other sovereign territories. When Wikileaks revealed how bad americunts really are many of the USA sheeple attacked the Wikileaks. Really few people in USA are thinking humans, most of them are nothing more than brainwashed jelly.

Sadly, true.

In before ban on pressure cookers.

This is just another reason for USA to become more of a police state. I have no doubt the government was behind this. Just another reason for the government to say "we need them, when we actually don't". You know how many cops I seen run from the blast when their natural reaction should have been to run to it, to safe guard the citizens, but nope, whats the point of cops? This will be a long discussion.

The people that did this are sick in their heads. ( 9 y/o boy died, sister lost a leg ) Was obama in a elementary school reading a book when this happened?

Motherfuckers, man.

Edit:
What really is being hidden from the media, because this happened?

Oh yeah, sure. That girl who wanted to go to school actually just wanted to be shot. And those girls who go outside without their man or without wearing proper coverings just want to get harassed and beat up. It's just like those girls who dress too sexy just want to be raped.

It's not about democracy, it's about personal freedom to decide your life and how you live it (including the society you chose to be a part of) versus having someone else force their decision on you. There really are only two types of people in the world: those who wish to be free to make their own choices, and those who wish to force their choices on others. If you want to call it democracy or totalitarianism, that's fine too.

There's a sizable percentage of Americans that know what the score is, just as there was a sizable percent of Russians that knew how corrupt the Communist Party was. The problem in both cases, and as with all corrupt governments, is that a minority control the economy and the courts/police/political system and make it difficult to effect meaningful change.

But change is coming and has been for some time. The American government will default at some point when no one wants to buy its shitty debt anymore. Patience and readiness are my guiding lights.

You're giving the government WAY too much credit. Trust me, they're not competent enough to pull something like that off and actually keep it a secret.

The religious nuts in the Muslim world wouldn't have anywhere near the presence they have unless outside groups with three letter names were supporting them. Per the thread topic, what happened in Boston (government/intel backed terrorism designed to look like "radicals" did it) has been happening in other parts of the world for years.

IOW, American foreign policy has now morphed into American domestic policy.

You're correct. It's not a secret. We all know they did it.

Exactly.

There is no accounting for taste!

My first thought was domestic, Islamic terrorists don't tend to go for the 'leave a bag and run' approach. They prefer the 'stare at the whites of the enemies eyes as I blow myself up' technique.

What gives me pause is when they get to the point of not caring that we know. We might be there.

Different parts of the world have different traditions. Muslims have the dressing traditions for women. They are strange and unacceptable to me just as much as our dressing traditions are to muslims. If some rebellious dyke want to go against all society she better do it somewhere else.It does not need to be done by government. With such large population it is inevitable that sooner or later some madman will do the killings for them. Like some CoD playing kid with assburgers and mother's gun collection. All they need is to make proper press statements to advance the agenda.

In this case, many of the cops present were aware that a "drill" was going to happen. This wasn't a single nutjob but a number of them working together and all of them most likely getting paid with public money.

The government, in other words.

Ban assault pressure cookers!

https://i.imgur.com/dkCPwaq.jpg?1

(Amusingly enough, when I was searching for the image for this, I found it in another place where someone had thought of the same thing)

Any proof for this?

From pictures published online I judge that the pressure cooker was only used as a casing or way to conceal the bomb. The actual explosive looks like ANFO to me. The bomb as well might be hidden in lunch box. Ban assault lunch boxes!

But when America gets involved, she's just "collateral damage" and won't be going to school tomorrow.

I'm sorry, you can't impose freedom on others by force. They need to find it for themselves. Then you can support them when they come to it. The whole thing is being driven by American political and economical agendas and not "for freedom".

Yeah, those things should be banned. Look at that thing it's tactical black! Way to scary to be allowed. Of course if it's a wood grain hunting cooker that's fine. We should always make an exception for guns and pressure cookers if they are for killing unwitting animals.  

Well, such a touchy and complicated topic.



But, I have to agree that fundamentalist Islam's sexism is only one degree removed from Nazi Germany's xenophobia.  
edit:  (not root cause, but it's brutal effects and societal tone.)


Not to mention that UAE's judicial system, and likely similar in other muslim nations, charges M.D.'s with murder when patient complications arise leading to death (New York Times).
edit:  M.D.'s convicted in absentia based on hear-say evidence.  I would not call that a judicial judicial system.  If one questions whether this happens all over the world - please inform yourself and read the NYT article.  kk, thx.


Yeah,.... the middle east is not on my list of vacation destinations.

Exactly the same happened in USSR and some successor states. I think in USA there also is police investigation if patient dies in questionable circumstances.You are comparing apples with oranges. Or Apples with PC. Islamic traditions have religious roots. Nazism is based in science.

Six decades of living under the American government and watching how they operate.

You're familiar with the Gulf of Tonkin incident?

I know about operation northwoods too. But the track record of us government does not prove that this Boston incident was false flag operation too. It actually speaks against the false flag because the government are reluctant to point a finger to somebody they want to. Like it happened in previous incidents.

It really doesn't matter the roots. To an individualist, it all looks the same. Of course, that doesn't mean you just go charging in. If a man beats his wife and children, you don't firebomb his house. But that's not really the reason America went charging in. It doesn't care about the people of other countries. It doesn't care about democracy. (and by "it", I mean the government, of course). There are some evil, greedy people at work. I'm not thinking "grand conspiracy" though. I think it is much more mundane than that.

They're letting the media do that for them. The ricin letters are part of the operation. This is quite clearly another ramp-up of the surveillance state.

Not to be unkind but this is the dumbest thing I've seen on the net in the past month.

:: dons tinfoil hat ::

it's possible that there are factions within the military and government that don't want what everyone else in those institutions want.  their goal is likely a police state for their own profit.  i'm sure there is some kind of government contract that gets renewed because of this event and the ricin mail event.  'increased security' will be the new mantra and rights will get squeezed.

:: removes tinfoil hat for increased mental stability ::

It is suspiciously quiet. Other than the "foreign looking type" in the hospital which has now been dismissed, we aren't hearing about surveillance footage and the like. No "persons of interest". No "Did you see a man with an orange backpack" type stuff. Though it's possible I've just missed it.

My signal is if an event is a multiday media circus, there's some kind of coordinated  conditioning/propaganda at work. If it gets barely a mention or is quashed, it's an indie job.

Co-worker has just told me someone was arrested. A "dark skinned man". No other confirmation as yet.

He probably robbed cash register at KFC. It is now like in soviet Russia. Police chronicles - voluntary confession a.k.a find someone to blame by any means.

[citation needed]

Another drill gone bad, like some other famous ones in the past 12 years or so.

I'm not defending reckless military expeditions and collateral damage, but conservative religious fuckfaces and bigot extremists who try to push their views on others through force need to be shot in the face (present company included), regardless of who does it or what their holy/nationalist belief is. Problem is, in the areas where they are thoroughly entrenched (Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan) they are the ones with the guns, and the people who may not want them there can't even say so ,out of fear of being stoned for being heretics. It's basically what Europe went through with the Dark Ages, and what USSR went through during the Russian Revolution and Stalin's purges. So, yeah, collateral damage sucks, and I would love if America only relied on small strike-teams of snipers going in and killing any one of those fucks (in the face, mind you), but, seriously, fuck those guys. I even don't care that they think it's their religious freedom or whatever. You oppress, you should get fucked.

Let's start here in the US first and then worry about the rest of the world afterwards.

Oh yeah, and, despite Iraq being a huge clusterfuck, started based on bs and lies, and is something I was absolutely against, the people in Iraq did actually want USA's help to get them some "freedoms." They just weren't expecting that USA would be so godamn incompetent about it. (Source - multiple interviews before and during the run-up to the war, where Iraqi citizens, on promise of anonymity, were complaining that things suck and were asking when are we going to come in to take Sadam out). I do agree that, even if all the USA did want to do is give Iraq freedomz, it may not actually have been their fight to stick their noses into... Maybe libertarians should start a mercenary-type charity where they could raise funds for a private elite team of ex-Navy Seals to go around and fuck assholes all up.

The roots are conservatism. One is religious, one is racist/nationalistic. USSR's brand of evil was all conservatism, too.

The root is Statism. Conservativism and liberalism both suffer from the disease.

Forget the navy seals. All you need to do is find a way to support the dissidents. (Something the US gov managed to startlingly fail to do in Iraq and did in lamentable ways in Libya). Much as I hate and despise the IRA, there's no arguing that to the degree that they got what they wanted, a lot of that was possible because of support from sympathizers in the USA.

To me this suggests more that they may have heard something or received a threat, but did not want to panic people, much more than they were planning on doing something themselves.


Statism is conservatism too, really. Libertarians want to experiment with more ideas and allow people to try things out freely, democrats want to put strict limits on what people are allowed to do (as are republicans btw), and conserve the programs we have in place, regardless of whether they work or cause harm.

So they're lying.

Can't trust liars in anything they say once it's proven that they lie. ;)

To be clear, I said liberalism.

The problem is the State and the abuse of its power by the few at the expense of the many, not one political creed or another.

It's not a stretch to say that politicians and governments lie.

And I agreed, saying democrats&republicans, as opposed to libertarians. I think liberals are actually just libertarians who don't understand economics. As for statism and the state, it's all conservatism, in a sense that the people are afraid of what would happen if things were allowed to change at anyone's whim. They want a state to give them security and stability, to make illegal things they don't believe to be socially acceptable, regulate things they fear would cause harm if run unchecked, and save them from what they perceive would be the opposite of conservatism/statism: i.e. chaos. Then, as always, some asshole who thinks they know better than everyone else shows up, and screws everything up.

That's my point. The State can't be trusted for anything except to lie, cheat, steal, jail and murder people. And get themselves paid.

Yes, but did you mean these liberals:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Bill_Clinton.jpg/220px-Bill_Clinton.jpg

Or these?:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Bastiat.jpg/220px-Bastiat.jpg

Bill Clinton's ain't no liberal. ;)

Bastiat...now there was a liberal that is the model.

That guy's neck must be crazy long.

Exactly!How about sniper taking out that monkey in USA first? Do I need to give You rifle with scope and window with nice view? Furfag caring about other deviants in places he have no idea about.

Everyone should live how they want and in places they have. This is both to muslims and especially on americunts. What is the difference between drone bombing in Yemen and ANFO bomb in Boston?

Holy shit, I think he's starting to get it.

Now, if only we can get him to realize he doesn't "have" all of Europe....

That might be a difficult realization for someone that thinks that Nazism is based on science.

I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.  ;)

Don't know if this has been mentioned yet: http://bostonglobe.com/business/2013/04/17/marathon-medals-for-sale-ebay-local-company-that-makes-them-horrified/qdCeDsgE17H3fZbgpJgM6M/story.html

It is great plan for Dr.Evil. Bomb marathon, snatch the medals and sell them on eBay. How long before blood and shrapnel stained ones appear on Black Market Reloaded?The most basic rules are probably applicable in every part of the world. If some nation explicitly want to be destroyed and assimilated by immigrants then it is their choice. But it endangers neighboring nations also. Hitler once tried to fix France and their wrong racial politics. His army was not strong enough.

I seriously just laugh-snorted so hard reading that last sentence that it really really hurt!

Yeah, his army was more than strong enough to "fix" France. If he had focused on France. If France had not had allies. If he, and his allies, had not been certifiably insane, both strategically and internally.

I really like how my country fixed Hitler's politics

Over at this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3009479/posts?q=1&;page=588#588

They pretty much have the white cap guy figured out (as in his real name etc) and many more photos of him.  Not so much on the other guy yet. 

Looks like they got one of these guys: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-marathon-bombings.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-marathon-bombings.html?_r=0)

Interesting.
Watertown Shootout With Boston Marathon Suspect CAUGHT ON TAPE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEtDVoXsuEw

Huh, weird. Didn't think USA had any issues with Chechnya.

We don't.

Has anybody attempted to count how many shots were fired? I'm curious as to many bullets hit the suspect compared to how many will be reported hit him after a thorough investigation.

A tad behind, hence not sure if this was discussed, but did they really close down the entire city of Boston in the hunt for some kid? Could they have used this event to test out what they could and could not do in the future during Martial Law?

Bring in the drones!

I did not, didn't have time to calculate when I posted this.


Yup, they sure did. And you know what, I was thinking the exact same thing, "was it a test" to see if citizens would hide in their homes with there tails between their legs and to depend on leo's, and they did! Now because the idiot citizens applauding the LEO's like they saved the world, LEO's now know or think we still need them. Complete dumbass boston people. This imo, test flew right over the citizens heads, they are so blind, *facepalm*. Business's closed, I could not believe what the people did to us for the near future of martial law. [Lock your doors, stay inside, be scared, don't come out, you will die if you come out, omg omg omg, lets freak out]. Phinnaeus Gagehas is spot on with was it a test for future of martial law.

All the leo's didn't do shit to catch them, it was the video tapes of business's. Without us, they would have never found out who they were. imo, still a government job. But they knew who did it, government ain't stupid, they covered their tracks up.

Edit:
Quite frankly, I am disgusted with the boston people.

My thoughts, too.


I'm disgusted most of my fellow citizens all over this country. The biggest collection of morons in history.

Hope we can discuss this stuff here, I was banned from another forum because 'conspiracy theories' aren't allowed. :/


Anyway, here's a vid talking about the Craft International guys who were photographed right near where the bomb went off - one of them is seen without his backpack later on.

I also found a hi-res version of the pic of one of the suspects leaving the area, zoomed in and I'm pretty sure the area behind his elbow has been photoshopped (ie. where a backpack would have been).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJudU1RIX2k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJudU1RIX2k)

Oh and I have a question about this pic of his brothers dead body - this is supposed to have been taken in Beth Israel Hospital, now do you still use wood in your emergency rooms or morgues? (under his neck & shoulders) seems kind of 3rd world / Iraqi to me and the nose and ears don't seem to be a good match when compared to other pics of him.

http://static.prisonplanet.com/slideshow/200413bomber_body.jpg (http://static.prisonplanet.com/slideshow/200413bomber_body.jpg)

The naked guy who was taken alive seems a better match:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=hkr4mEIKPe0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=hkr4mEIKPe0)

Don't worry, we don't ban tinfoil hatters.

http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/

Boston false flag.

Two innocent young patsies.

"Show us the evidence." Aunt to the accused

Smoke bomb, actors, fake blood, amputees.

100% MSM bullshit from A to Z.

wow, that page is new to me..

I think the patsies are ok too btw, along with the 8 year old and the 26 sandy hookers.

all just to pass new laws, first gun control, now black powder - insane.

This article is saying that the picture was not taken inside the hospital. http://www.mediaite.com/online/alleged-photo-of-bombing-suspects-corpse-leaks-online-warning-graphic-image/

I don't know how to explain the wood. My best guess would be that the picture is not of the bomber but someone else in a third world country. I read somewhere that they said suspect #1 had so many bullets holes in him it would be impossible for police to count them all. In this supposed picture you can only see a couple of bullet holes. 

No, no, no... you're supposed to tell us to go to Somalia.

EDIT: I'm not psychic, the man-child deleted the post I was responding to, and reposted after me.

let me finish your sentence...

"believe this was a false flag op."  hey sev, why you still here if you hate this place so much?  I hear Afghanistan is nice this time of year...



and as a non American we should care about your opinion because?

There is no we.  There's only you.

yes you are right... your opinion lacks value too but at least you are an American and your vote might actually mean something... as misguided and naive as it is.

and mike, feel free to move on down to mexico if you dont like it here I hear those Mexican cartels love girly men.

Uh huh.

Feel free to prove me wrong here. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=182688.msg1908306#msg1908306)

Let me see if I understand all this then, you conspiracy theorists:

These two brothers, with the help of the community, were identified as suspects. Conveniently, it turned out for the nefarious forces which planned this conspiracy, that upon attempting their capture, they were loaded with firepower and pipe-bombs. Is that how it goes?

Oh wait - you guys are saying the whole firefight was staged. All those police officers are in on it? And the guys on the other end of the firefight were actors! Or not? And what of the actual situation regarding the brothers?

Please enlighten me.

Actually most of the community were pointing at the Craft International (private militia) guys who were also at Sandy Hook dressed as police, they had backpacks which matched the one that was found in shreds - the media chose to ignore them completely.

The photo of one of the suspects leaving the area seemed to be photoshopped to remove his backpack.

I've yet to see any evidence of the suspects firing at police.

Try thinking things through a little bit more before jumping on the latest conspiracy bandwagon. Because apparently, you've jumped on a few of them.

The version of events as related by government/media is also a conspiracy theory. If you're partial to what's being put on TV as "the story", you're also a conspiracy theorist.

It just depends on whose conspiracy theory you want to believe based on what you think you know.

Actually, no. Journalists don't have meetings and then conspire. In fact, journalists and media companies love a good conspiracy if it has any legs. They just don't want to look as foolish as you.

Word of advice: apply some rational thought to your politically motivated belief system.

The government/media is claiming that we're all victims of a conspiracy. They're promoting a conspiracy theory and people such as yourself are content with believing it.

You're a conspiracy theorist.


I'm not the one pushing the government's version of events as reality. Their version is far more politically motivated than any others I've heard.

Here's something for some of you to consider, because apparently, some of you can't think clearly.

1. All the members of the various involved agencies weren't briefed before hand that some nasty and disgusting conspiracy was going down and warned to be mum about the whole thing and then counted upon to be cooperative.

2. If it was only a select and tiny group of individuals "in the know", then how are all the individuals out in the field witnessing events unfolding, giving impromptu reports, etc. controlled?

Specifically, consider the pipe bombs. Let's assume that some members of the Boston police force know other members of the Boston police force that were actually involved in the fire fight. Now consider how odd it would be in the event that it never occurred and was only fabricated news. Think about that. How is it that, if queried, not a single Boston police officer would be able to say "Yes, I know of an officer who was in that fire fight." I suggest you think really hard about that. And if you don't get it, think harder.

I'm talking to you, Severian.

I just proved you were a conspiracy theorist, the very thing you're claiming of others on this thread.

Who can't think clearly?

Explain the fire fight given what I have explained to you.

It's a waste of time to pull government/media stories apart. I don't waste my time trying to figure out what known liars and fools are saying.

The tactics of the State and those drawn to its power haven't changed in 2000 years. America 2013 is no different in quality from any other burgeoning police state that's existed in history, though the quantity of bullshit being produced as the Police State edifice is being raised is of historical depth.

It's not a waste of time when you make such a claim. The fact is, you don't want to apply rational logic to your demented beliefs because they'll fall apart.

You're worse than a conspiracy theorist. You're a lazy assed conspiracy theorist who can't even spend the time demonstrating any validity to your theories. Instead, you simply buy into the conspiracy without applying your thought process to it. That, by definition, makes you not only deluded, but a sheep.

Either shut the fuck up about your ideas or back them up. Do not give me your loser fucked up lazy ass cop out answer that you don't waste your time on such things. You can start by demonstrating how the pipe bomb scenario works in your fantasy view of the world, factoring in the conundrums I proposed.

Incivility gets you *plonked!*.

Take care.

*plonked*, but not refuted. And thus, I hit the nail on the head. Your answer was indeed a loser fucked up lazy ass cop out. And because of that, please refrain from spouting your nonsense any further unless you think it through.

There's a whole lot of other issues with the story but let's see you explain the link posted earlier in this thread:  http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think)

Firstly don't you think it's odd to put someone who lost both legs in a wheelchair rather than stretcher, it's only going to cause more blood loss - obviously I'm no doctor but hey google tells me I guessed right:
"lie the victim flat, with the feet raised 12 inches above the surface.".   There wasn't a drop of blood to be found along the path he was pushed in the wheelchair either.

Not only does the blood looks fake but did you see the bottle of blood in the pic?  What's a bottle of blood doing there?

Why did the glass in the building blow outwards?

Why was this guy who lost 2 legs the last to get any attention, why was he and others around him so nonchalant about being blown the fuck up?

Did you notice the pic of him with no legs in an army uniform? don't you think it's him?  if it is him, there should be no doubt.

Finally the dodgy early video footage of the blast showed there were actually no people where the flash / smoke bomb went off, strange - it was right near the finish line, it should have been packed there.

If you need a motive - how about the fact that CISPA was passed as well as Obama, Clinton and Bush being indicted for war crimes right when this happened - just as Bin Laden was (apparently) killed the day after Obama was found to have a fake birth certificate - ie. distractions.

In addition, just as per sandy hook with the gun control, a senator has already written a bill to regulate the purchase of gun powder.

It seems over the top but to see drastic change in the constitution, they probably feel they have to stage these events.  I actually don't believe anyone was killed here, nor at sandy hook - look at previous real events and you see a whole lot more evidence that there were deaths and obviously to stage such a thing, you'll have a much easier time getting people on board with a harmless sham for a greater good that may save lives (such as gun control).


Btw, I didn't jump to conclusions about this being a conspiracy, it had all the signs - there is video of a guy on local tv saying that before the race they were running a bomb drill, don't be alarmed etc, he reckons he had been attending marathons all over and had never seen anything like it.  These drills are known to coincide with evens like Sandy Hook, the London bombings and others so that if they are caught in the act they can say 'it's just a drill!'

Then there was the media totally ignoring what the public was pointing out - the Craft International (private militia) guys who were also in a police uniforms at Sandy Hook, they were in the exact area of the blast and had backpacks that matched the shredded backpack that was found - unlike the actual suspects, they were also seen leaving the scene without a backpack.  There was a photo of one of the official suspects leaving the scene, it seemed that the backpack was photoshopped out.

There have been witness accounts saying that the police ran over the suspect that was killed, not his brother - why would you stick your neck out and say that?

Same goes for any of us seeking the truth, we get nothing out of it but the hope of seeing justice done all the while being labelled whack jobs, conspiracy nuts etc thanks to hugely effective job the mainstream media has done drilling this into the general public.

I could punch holes in a many of the points above, but that's not what I came here to do.

I opted to not believe that no way this was a false flag event until, that is, a video caught my eye. Then I hunted down the actually footage from ABC.

Take a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2P5ATXS9OiQ#t=150s

If you don't know what you're looking at, take a look at this 33s video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2bYdYQfBE8

Sloppy editing/splicing, for there's even a crack in the female's voice, and she's supposed to be broadcasting live from Washington.

I assume Alex Jones is all over this, but I'm not sure. I found it by accident.

yea I dunno - it may be just some red material being dragged away..  I wouldn't make a big deal of it anyway, the only way to get the cynics to stop and think is to provide evidence without any reasonable alternative explanation, it doesn't seem to matter whether there is like 500 oddities in a given scenario, no matter the odds of it occurring - if they can be explained away individually, they will be.

Were not going to have to call in Myth Busters again are we? They debunked the whole 'Twin towers planted bombs' and what not, they could do this in a second. Plus there is soo much footage, there's got to be another angle on this thing. It's not necessarily gore just because its red. If it was gore, could have just been edited out for daytime tv but missed a bit. Too many factors to jump and assume a conspiracy fabricated just days even hours after the incident.
Think of it this way, would you seriously bring up the conspiracy in conversation? Without looking an idiot...

Did they? I don't recall seeing that episode. What I do recall is them very forcefully saying that they were not going to address that theory, and any requests for them to do so on their fansite get summarily deleted.

They did do a fine job debunking the major claims of the moon landing conspiracy theorists.

I might have to reserve the same comments for your analysis as I did to the last guy.

I'm sorry, but where did the real spectators (not actors) get the memo that the whole thing was going to be staged? Or let me guess, the marathon never happened!

Watch the link below very closely at the extreme right hand side of the screen and you'll understand.

No, it's not some nefarious media setup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2P5ATXS9OiQ#t=146s

I'm sure there were plenty of real spectators nearby, they needed only to reserve that small section.

FYI - this has recently been confirmed by the aunt as being the older brother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=hkr4mEIKPe0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=hkr4mEIKPe0)

whether he was killed after the fact or the pic of the dead body is fake or not him, who knows but I'm leaning towards the latter.

TBH, it does look like a flag or some piece of red cloth being pulled away. It's difficult to tell what's going on there, because we can only see what the camera sees.

A reasonable explanation: somebody was moving some apparatus that had hooked the fabric, and as they moved the apparatus, it pulled the fabric. Of course, nobody will know, but I refuse to attach any significance to it.

Wired article: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/cult-of-tsarnaev/

There's a comment on the article, currently at the top, and he lists several stereotypes of the people who perpetuate these things. Most of you guys seem to be a mix of 1 and 4.

So this was an "inside" secret government job? P-lease. I have worked with FEMA and other agencies for many years as an emergency responder. Anyone who thinks that there are people in disaster services who would go along with blowing up the Boston Marathon has never even met us.  You guys need to put down the crack pipe and breath some fresh air.

In my experience, people that depend on or have depended on government contracts for their living have a pre-determined bias. I think I posted this but will repost it for emphasis:


As an example, I'll use a now deceased member of my family. He was a cryptographer for the NSA from the 1950's until he retired. He refused to, and was probably unable to, see the crimes committed by his employer. His salary, and his later pension, blinded him to the basic right and wrong of what his agency and the government were engaged in. The crying shame of it is that he was a brilliant man in every way except for his ethical sense.


I started being called a "conspiracy theorist" in the 1970's by a member of my family that was later proved very wrong in his assertions and for which my later research proved me closer to the mark than a longtime employee of the NSA was. You'll have to do better than "crack pipe", pal. ;)

A clothe being moved seems possible, albeit it moves too fluidly. That explanation does give me a little doubt on my original theory but not much.

I just found this on TB talking about the library explosion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luyvA6BbdEo

I've yet to read any of the myriad of sites claiming false flag, sans the one linked from this thread, coupled with only viewing YT videos, hence being not fully up to speed as to what's out there.

This episode sure does have Alex Jones riled up though.

That's what most people say before doing any research - fact is we don't even know how many of the disaster service personnel are even real, eg. some of the Craft International guys in Boston were dressed as police officers at Sandy Hook.  Not everyone on the scene needed to be in on it though.

Another connection is the Greenberg's at Sandy Hook, at least one of them played a victim in Boston too - just one of many that was covered in blood but had no visible injuries.  I also noticed a bunch of people with torn clothes but no visible injuries or blood, how lucky is that!?

Just chiming in a week later. In retrospect, most of this thread - my post above included - turns out to be just bullshit. It has to be said. I was trying to fit the reality into preconceived notions.

Sure, this event was an opportunity to test new and old crisis-management techniques. Sure, some politicians will try to score cheap points. Sure, some businesses will try to score deals (surveilance). That's it. Everything else is just plain vanilla: two idiots detonating bombs, cops and EMS doing their jobs, and citizenry reacting as expected - mostly with retarded and ignorant patriotism, and a minority with failed conspiracy theories.

I (like 95% of people involved in a disaster) get paid a tiny stipend and lose money when deployed. The people who are paid, like firefighters, do not get into rescue for the money. You have to sacrifice the money for satisfying your desire to help people. That is who is in disaster services.

You're assuming that all (or any) of the emergency responders were actually emergency responders. ;)

Let's investigate then. Post your pictures and I will help find his name. This would be a clue to a serious crime and the police will investigate. Let's not just talk about crackpot theories, this is easily provable.

Of course these theories never get to that stage. In the same way that bigfoot-oligists are never able to quite find any physical evidence.

I'm the guy who checks them in and credentials them. They are.

You were in Boston, performing this duty? Do you recognize the faces in the pictures?

No. I was not at the Boston bombing. The only bomb event I have worked is the Oklahoma city bombing. Between our evil secret plans to make Internet trolls angry we do a lot of tornados and forest fires. 

If you think I am trolling, or getting angry, you're wrong on both counts. I am seeking the truth of the matter. If you weren't there to check these people's credentials, you can't personally vouch for them. Do you at least recognize anyone in the pictures?

No man, not you. You are to reasonable to be a crackpot. I just find it silly to see how many people actually think the government is behind things like school shootings. How do they think this goes down.

-Firehouse tones....
-Unit 24, unit 36. Please respond to the elementary school and shoot some children. This will be a standard false flag op.
-Rodger that, Units 24, 36. Time out 3:12pm

I think it might go something more like this:
The real emergency responders are all told that there's going to be an exercise, and to ignore any 911 calls, because it's going to be very realistic, and some civilians might get panicked. they might also be told that they have their own emergency crew, just in case something happens.
The "exercise" is cover for a false flag, with paid actors portraying everything from nearby spectators, to victims, and most importantly, emergency responders.
All of the real emergency responders tell any people who call that it was just an exercise, and rationalize that the emergency team that the exercise people had handled the "actual" bombing that coincidentally occurred during the "exercise."

Of course, an operation like this would leak like a sieve, unless it were entirely self-contained and staffed entirely by  true believers, people who would do anything for the cause. (this, then would explain why we keep seeing the same faces)

Do I believe this is the explanation? No, not really. But it's plausible enough for Hollywood.

It sounds better than the "IT MIGHT BE RIGHT WING CHRISTIANS! OMG! ITZ MUZLIMZ AGAIN!" narrative that's being spun by Hollywood-on-the-Potomac.

If I suddenly disappear, you'll know what happened. ;)

You got a job as a screen writer?

LOL

Hi dear people,

If you can speak german, check this report:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151363061541583&set=a.402486811582.184264.352426141582&type=1&theater

and if someone would translate it in GB, it would be a VERY good action!

Greets,
Neo

It's amazing what you can do in three minutes (all times local).

2:50 ~ Fist bomb goes off.

Within the next three minutes, police officers find another bomb, alert the Boston Globe to tweet that there's going to be a controlled explosion, and the person placing the tweet somehow verifies that the source is real.

2:53 ~ https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/323886879453892609


I've yet to see proof of that controlled explosion. Perhaps everybody opted to turn off their camera prior.

well the boston public library is just across the road from where the first explosion went off.  http://tinyurl.com/buv4ulg (http://tinyurl.com/buv4ulg)

as for pics requested - well, if you researched 9/11 you'll know it gets you nowhere pointing out the impossible such as 3 buildings coming down at near free fall speed outside of controlled demolition.

here are a couple I noticed anyway.. ie. I just don't see how clothes could be torn like this without injury:

http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/c6/cc/0000ccc6_big.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/RdYRNtX.jpg

Maybe he went to the marathon dressed like that?

OMG, grim but kinda funny.

What you are looking is a classic. Anyone who ever went through a bomb training will hear that a blast without shrapnel can "blow your cloths off without a drop of blood". They are likely injured however. Blast injuries can be internal bleeding, hearing loss, concussion, even broken bones.
Frankly, if this bomb had been made correctly then anyone that close would be hit by shrapnel.

Yeah, see the look on his face? That look pretty clearly says, "What the FUCK are you trying to say to me? I can't hear shit!"

So it's OK to make fun of people who were just victims in a bombing, per your "logic".  Check.

Was I making fun of him? I thought I was diagnosing possible hearing loss via an expression on his face. He clearly looks confused, as though he is trying to make out what someone off-camera is saying.

Of course it's OK to make fun of people who were just victims in a bombing. But only as long as you make fun indirectly, by blaming someone else for making fun of those people. Kinda like how it's ok to do homosexual sex acts, as long as you are only blaming others for doing homosexual sex acts (and are yourself a republican politician)

I don't think myrkul was making fun of him. His statement seems basically correct. The guy looks as though he is straining to hear something. Nobody here thinks this was a funny act of terror, right?

Where are you from Rassah? 

RodeoX, I've been ignoring him for several hundred posts because he appears to like terrorism.  If what you say is correct, I'll hold my tongue for now.

I'm from here. Who likes terrorism, me or myrkul? I definitely don't like it, nor think it's an effective method for anything, and I would hope myrkul doesn't either.

My comment, btw, was a crack at you for assuming myrkul was making fun of anyone. You seem to be a bit too focused on thinking people are making fun of the victims, when no one here is. Kinda makes me wonder why you are so focused on making fun of terrorism victims.

I am an American and I will not stand by while people cast unfounded aspersions at MY country.  myrkul is a jackass.

Even if he is a jackass, can he cast founded aspersions at YOUR country? Or is that forbidden too?

check out the shadows and the blank badges on their hats.
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/217/shadowsl.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/35ndab7.jpg

boston -> sandy hook
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff369/4freedom123/actorcryergirl_zps476f4b1b.png

hollywood slip up
http://www.septclues.com/VARIOUS%20MATERIAL/BostonMarathon5.jpg
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/4638941/bostonmarathonsmoke-o.gif

one I spotted - it looks like he already has a prosthetic.
http://notesfromasouthernkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/boston-7.jpg

Oh hey, you found a picture of Viceroy.

Actually, I thought I found a picture of Tony Gallippi. WTF is he doing there?!

All these seem to imply that nothing happened at the Boston marathon. Is that right? All of the tens of thousands of witnesses are in on this? All the thousands of pictures and hours of video from that day are "Hollywood fakes"? This conspiracy must be so big that only a few people were NOT in on it. I don't know what to say, we are in batshit crazy territory.

I'm going to go talk to the grown-ups now.

My favorite is the "hollywood slip up" one, where they have written "no smoke" through a cloud of smoke.

Happy to talk Rodeo, but I think you can see what a fool myrkul the terrorist lover is, no?

With a small fraction of his post number, *you* are the one with the glowing "Ignore" link.

lot's of morons ignore me because I am a proud America.  And I care because?  (Ignore system is irrevocably broken... follow link in my sig).

http://youtu.be/zrIDHNqUTPM (http://youtu.be/zrIDHNqUTPM)

;)

Yes, yes. That's the reason for sure...

Why else would it be?  They are jealous of my tree sized cock?

Just quoting this so I can laugh at it later, when you inevitably delete it.

Wasn't the whole shadow bullshit completely disproven on MythBusters in regard to the moon landing? Those shadows are what happens when the sun is up around noon, and you take pictures at a close angle  :P

OMG Myrkul is a PROHIBITIONIST... HE went to the mods because I linked a picture of a gutted cat I found in google images.  OMG MYRKUL IS A PROHIBITIONIST.  He PROHIBITS FREE SPEECH.  (And he's a pussy).

HELP IM BEING REPRESSED!

"A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted."


ROFL!

And, my cock is as large as sequoia.  (Did the vet neuter you?)


I reported the image at the top of this page as offensive in response to my free speech being censored when I linked to a gutted cat picture from google images.  is Bitcointalk a police state?

MikeH,

All the shadows are pointing in the same direction except for the guy who is leaning over as he runs. Because he is leaning over, the shadow casts at a different angle. Go get some planks of wood or some friends to duplicate it.

In an enlargement of an image, small details just don't resolve, such as tiny details on a badge.

Smoke is essentially haze. It basically has a linear falloff when inside it. When outside it, it appears as a cloud. No doubt you've been in fog. You can see for some distance, but it linearly falls off until you can no longer see. When outside fog, it appears as a cloud. Go hiking in the mountains, where you're actually hiking in clouds at time.

You're a conspiracy theorist in search of a conspiracy. Happy hunting. I know it must be fun for you, but it is surely an unproductive activity. You can always find odd stuff in just about any situation because you don't understand the complete context. As an example, a red flag might appear to be the media erasing gore from the sidewalk, unless you have a larger context, in which case you can simply see that it was a flag being dragged away. Of course, the conspiracy theorist will then find something nefarious in a flag being dragged away. But in an even larger context, you'd probably be able to see that it was probably just hooked on something that was being moved out of the way.

I'm curious, where do you get this silly notion from?


First, figure out what the difference is between a public government entity, and a privately owned entity. Then come talk to us about police states, governments, politics, and whatever.

LOL... I didn't report that image. It's likely a mod deleted it on their own. And no, Bitcointalk is private property, not a police state, or any kind of state.

If your cock is truly as large as a sequoia, Please do report that to Ripley's and Guinness. I'm sure Jonah Falcon would appreciate some time out of the limelight.

Who's that?  And how does an image become off-topic in an off-topic thread?

CENSORSHIP!

Possibly due to my way too trusting and naive nature, I'm having a really hard time figuring out if you are just trolling with all this, or if you are actually really really really really dumb  :-\

The man with the largest recorded penis. It's much smaller than a Sequoia, though, so unless you're full of shit, you'll easily take the record from him.

And you know the name of the man who has the largest penis in the world because? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/jonah-falcon-largest-penis-frisked-by-tsa_n_1675767.html

Furthermore, MikeH,

Those two women don't look alike at all. I don't even know what point you're trying to convey here. And smoke dissipates. It's a cloud, and then two minutes later, it isn't.

But if you really do like examining photos looking for clues, then get a job with an intelligence agency. You can get paid for it. However, practice your skills, because everything you've thus far pointed out is not suspicious.

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I will admit that the police shot should be thrown out, I didn't create the lines but I have since and they were way off - this thing is new, the information is coming from everywhere and mistakes can be made.   This is where unfortunately people who don't believe their govt. would be involved in something like this are reaffirmed by just a very small amount of dodgy evidence.  I'll definately be more careful in future.

The smoke - well I had already tracked the guys in white pushing the chair which confirmed to me it was close to the same time but it may be missing a couple of important frames, that's where there may be issues with it, I don't think the position of the images would give the perception of more smoke in this case.

I still believe it's the same girl, the only difference I see is the tan however her being there still does nothing but add to suspicion and isn't really evidence.

I still believe amputee actors were there, I still believe the bombs weren't full of ball bearings and nails like they say.. just too many people with clothes ripped up without injury.  I still believe the picture of the younger brother leaving the scene had his backpack removed via photoshop - the artifacts are there to see.

Yes I am in search of conspiracy here but there is very good reason for that, people aren't born conspiracy theorists - most of us have done a lot of prior research and know the signs such as the bomb drill and the authorities denial of it taking place.  The fact that authorities were acting on video evidence that still hasn't been shown to the public etc.

People need to start looking into recent history some more - from the 'confirmed' FBI involvement in the 1993 WTC bombing to 9/11 and motives for the wars in the middle east.

Some hard facts on 9/11 if you happened to be put off by all the amateur videos etc at the time http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/01/18/24-hard-facts-about-911-that-cannot-be-debunked (http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/01/18/24-hard-facts-about-911-that-cannot-be-debunked), there are a lot of reputable people on the bandwagon now btw.

MikeH,

Instead of looking for things which seem odd and might point you in the direction of a conspiracy (but which you can't definitively prove), you should start at the other end and you'll arrive at a reasonable conclusion much faster. How do you approach it from the other end? Look for things that show how impossible it would be for it to be a conspiracy.

Well, it seems most think it's impossible based on the number of people needing to be involved - I don't think so, not if they are politically aligned, part of a large extended family (which seemed to be the case with many involved in sandy hook) and they simply believe the end game is worth it, ie. they think they'll save lives through gun control.  I don't think people were killed here or at Sandy Hook which makes that a much more likely proposition.

Think of all the simple things you could do to disprove your theory by simply going to Boston and walking around and talking to people.

eye witnesses accounts have proven to be worthless to date, yes it might confirm my theory but there have been plenty of whistle blowers regarding the twin towers including ex FBI and CIA but it doesn't mean shit if nobody is in a position to do anything about it.

anyway, it seems nobody is going to change their minds about this so not much point continuing discussing it - I just wish people would do more research on past events so they may not automatically trust what they see from their govt and media.

You're not approaching this scientifically or logically, which dooms your conclusions. Instead, you want to impose your conclusion, however unlikely it is, due to a preconceived belief system you have. You really must cast a more skeptical eye on your own thought processes and conclusions. You're asking us to be skeptical, when in fact your own lack of skepticism has failed you.

As an exercise, try to think of ways that would render your ideas impossible. Just try it. The problem is, you're not trying it. Once you try it, you'll see your ideas just won't hold up.

the way I approach it is open minded unlike those who dismiss the possibilities, I'm not swayed by preconceived ideas, I use knowledge of previous events as indicators, the number of indicators and the evidence that can not be easily explained away then leads me to my opinion as to whether it's worth looking into further.

I don't see how you can think that it may be better to make a decision based on trust or the association of 'crazy' with conspiracy that's been drilled into people for so long.

btw, as for coming up with ways to render my ideas impossible, yes I do consider whether these things are possible - I also consider the official story, eg. the way the WTC buildings were reported to have come down was impossible.

I don't understand why they waited till the crowd was so much thinner to place their bombs when they could have done so much more damage.

Well, clearly, they wanted to get everyone who was not "their people" out of the way.

MikeH, are you religious? You seem to exhibit the same propensity for gullibility and belief in made up stuff, and trying to defend it with cherry-picked, flimsy evidence, so I'm just wondering.

nope, not religious - I don't have faith in the government or mainstream media.

the stuff I've posted here so far is flimsy but it's easier than writing up the background story to all this, there will be better stuff to come.

Well i have seen a lot of evidence to the contrary.

http://www.jewishterrorism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CIA-Seal-Team-6-involved-in-Boston-Marathon-Bombing-532x550.jpg

and let's not forget the announcement on twitter...

https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/323886829596205056 (https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/323886829596205056)

What significance are you attaching to an announcement made 64 minutes after the bombings? Are you saying that the police needed to detonate some additional bombs they found?

So?

this one's a little more interesting:

large monitor just behind front runner.
http://www.cluesforum.info/download/file.php?id=5

missing here.
http://www.septclues.com/VARIOUS%20MATERIAL/BostonMarathonMONITOR3.jpg

very unlikely they'd take it down during the race..


perhaps the bomb footage was from a previous day.. invite only.

Boston street closures
Wednesday, April 10 to Tuesday, April 16: Boylston Street, both sides from Exeter Street to Arlington Street (intermittent closings)

http://www.boston.com/sports/marathon/course/streetclosings/ (http://www.boston.com/sports/marathon/course/streetclosings/)

then just stop the runners during a gap in the field on the day..
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130415172232-29-boston-marathon-explosion-horizontal-gallery.jpg

While that's an interesting theory, here's a competing one:

The bomb knocked the timer down. It does seem to be hanging directly over where the explosion happened.

nah not the timer - the large monitor, seen more clearly here:

http://www.septclues.com/VARIOUS%20MATERIAL/BostonMarathonMONITOR2.jpg

probably shouldn't have posted it yet, I mean what I've said above accounts for it not being there but how do real spectators fit into it on the day..

Now that is intriguing.

Anybody got an "It was just a flag being dragged away." for that one?

The Boston Globe posted it at 12:53 PM more than a hour before the first explosion.

http://i1333.photobucket.com/albums/w629/MrPink_/Screenshot-13-04-25-030832PM_zpscb95da41.png
Weird I am not sure if this is 100% real or not

Yahoo News
http://news.yahoo.com/fox-pulls-family-guy-episode-following-boston-bombings-024834408--finance.html (http://news.yahoo.com/fox-pulls-family-guy-episode-following-boston-bombings-024834408--finance.html)

YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=d34g2HhPFOE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d34g2HhPFOE)

I believe Twitter post times adjust for your timezone. And I believe that post occurred 64 minutes after the bombings.

Yeah. It looks like a different race. Note the label beneath the timer in the different pictures with a timer. It would be good if the conspiracy theory guys validated the sources of the photos.

I know what explains the large monitor. It's time travel! Specifically time has traveled a year or two from the time that picture with the monitor was taken until this year. It's one of the prior races. Note the flags aren't in the same order, either.

LOL... Fact check your conspiracy theories, guys!

As I noted earlier, they are different races. One is a 5K, as you can see by looking at the sign underneath the timer.

nah same race, but yea you're right bout the large image - just threw that in for the pic of the monitor, it was from the Sunday.

http://www.septclues.com/VARIOUS%20MATERIAL/BostonMarathonMONITOR1.jpg

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/SnSE3M9xMt_wXO1GGTq8cA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD02MTI7cT04NTt3PTQ3Mw--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/03ad910eaffe200c2f0f6a70670013fb.jpg

time to sleep, I'm sure you'll find something wrong with it by the time I wake up :)

Another competing theory is that the two images are from two different races.

I considered that but I did a search for yamamoto and 1:25:33 and that is apparently the time of a person from the Boston marathon, 2013. Not that I'm necessarily buying into it but...

Just terrible.

FinCEN staged this bombing because MtGox has mitigated their DDoS attacks to a level that would have broken bitcoin to its true value of $1283 and thus they had to blow up a few Citizens.

check the guy repositioning himself..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes&feature=player_embedded

as long as I get one doubter to become a tad suspicious I'll be happy :P

another interesting tidbit that has come to light:

Fema documentation, including an Actors section under Operations-based exercises, funny they have a section on Sarin symptoms there too.
https://hseep.dhs.gov/hseep_Vols/default1.aspx?url=rightTreeDisplay.aspx?

There are vids that discuss it but I don't have a link atm.

Just looking for an explanation for that sign, as it does seem to have been there originally....

Another bomb did go off a few blocks back from the finish line, didn't it? Might that have taken out the sign?

More perplexing is why the sign would go missing in a faked scenario.

To the conspiracy nuts, please explain what really happened for the rest of us dimwits. I want a timeline and a consistent explanation. Was it faked onsite? Was it faked earlier? Was it faked somewhere else? Who was informed so they would be able to play along? What really happened at the marathon finish line? Please explain all this so we can better understand.

yeah but further back and the wall would have protected it I think - do you reckon it's a sign rather than a monitor?  if so then I guess it'd be more likely to be taken down during the race.

The theory goes that it was put up after the staged footage was filmed, the same sort of continuity error that left an egg under Frank's throne in Rocky Horror

Okay, now we're getting somewhere. So there was a staged event shot prior.

Then please tell me what all the people who work in the offices of the upper floors of the surrounding buildings saw during the shooting of the staged footage. They're out there. And you even know where they work. Go interview them.

Sillyness.

Probably. I'm a little far from Boston, though. I understand you're even further away. Perhaps Mike is in a position to do as you suggest.

It's a work in progress I'm afraid :)  good to see you're interested though.

I've seen a video where that girl who won passed by a scissor lift in the position of the sign or monitor..  I guess it's possible they lifted it up between when she crossed the line and had pics taken but it's still strange, it was up earlier in the day - they would have had to take it down then put it up again.

I think I'm the only one suggesting it may have been done on a previous day based on the sign thing but it seems a bit complicated just to ensure the footage is good, there's an interview on the street with that cowboy dude though where it looks like a green screen was used for some reason.

There's probably a lot we'll never know - unless declassified some day..  I'm sure it's hard to believe if you aren't aware of motives or even the legislation changes made in recent years, eg. one of Obama's executive orders allows Americans to be detained indefinately or even executed without trial.

There's all the Fema internment camps that have sprung up - last I heard it was like 700? enough to contain millions anyway, I haven't looked into it for a while so who knows, it could have turned out to be bollox but the DHS has purchased 1.6 billion buillets and 2700 armoured vehicles and I'm quite confident that the US dollar collapse is unavoidable based on what the economers say.  So, it makes sense that they would stage events to get their gun control and now regulation of black powder through for what they know will come from that, chaos.

Nah, I'm in Australia :)  I saw a recently posted video of a guy right above the bomb area where  took some photos, they were terrible - really smoky and he explained that he took them without looking.

How convenient, I've been looking for more amateur pics and videos, they seem very rare - or at least hard to find amongst the early release stuff.

One of my facebook friends posted photos he took of explosions at the finish line right after the real event. He works down the street.

When are you going to accept that your conspiracy theory has way more holes and difficulties than the real thing?

Official story has holes, conspiracy theory has more holes, ergo official story must be true?

The conspiracy theory just isn't plausible at all given the sheer number of disparate and participating parties necessary for cooperation. It just defies all imagination.

Ergo, official story must be true.

A simple "yes" would have sufficed.

And your position? Consider the following question being asked of you:

Official story has holes, conspiracy theory has more holes, ergo official story must be true?

Well that's good he has photos, I'm sure someone will find them if they are of use - there's still only 3 sets of photos right in amongst the victims that I know of, one was a brief burst mode, the other smoky and horrible, the last was from a distance and sporadic chunks of time missing.

The only holes are in the official story, we're just piecing together what happened, I can't see how you can ignore that guy repositioning himself or other obvious signs of poor acting with lousy props, the double amputee that didn't get help for 6 minutes while everyone around him was being attended to - his injury didn't even look fresh, unlike the bright red stuff they tried to pass off as blood that was all over the joint. Then there's all the injured with blood but no obvious injury and others with crazy tears in their clothes with no visible injury.  That's just one small part, I don't want to go into the rest.. it's late.

Disproving one hole-filled story does not prove the other.

I didn't see any poor acting, nor do I think I saw acting at all. I saw what looked like some extremely dazed and confused people who just experienced a chaotic event. I didn't see any lousy props. I watched the video about 15 times very carefully.

I also don't know the exact dynamics of what happens to clothing when an explosion happens. If you do, as you seem to think, then no doubt there are other people who know as well, and I'm quite certain they would have been consulted to create the proper 'effects' and not improper effects. Thus, it is reasonable to assume you have no case with regard to the clothing you're seeing.

When you can, please explain all the parties that would need to be involved and mum about the whole thing.

ok so that's what makes it unlikely in your eyes (and probably most others), there are links with the FBI, FEMA the federal government and therefor the Israeli lobby, surely there are enough trusted people within such a large group to get the job done?  keep in mind that they may believe they're doing the right thing in getting gun control etc in preventing everyone killing each other when the economy collapses.

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177345.msg1914476#msg1914476

A large internal terrorist organization is no less plausible than a large external one.

Now the story is changing. Was it staged? Or was it real, but perpetrated internally? If the latter, than all the footage of actors, missing signs, etc. is pointless.

You're mistaken. The story is not changing. It's a different, competing theory. Again, It's much more likely (but still not proven. ;) ) that TPTB simply are "not letting a good crisis go to waste (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs6TgitlNIA)."

What about emergency response teams, paramedics, fire departments, police forces, local and state and university, dispatchers, event planners, marathon runners, spectators, office workers in the buildings, all the media organizations (CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, newspapers, magazines), investigative reporters, residents in Watertown, gas station owners where the hijacked man escaped, insurance companies, the boat owner, your supposed crisis actors, hospital personnel, the wounded, mortuaries and funeral planners, funeral attendees...

There's actually a "FEMA Internment Camp" up in Cumberland, MD, near where my inlaws live. The so-called internment camp is a whole bunch of mobile houses surrounded by a fence with barbed wire. And it's actually not a camp, but a local storage for such houses in case they are needed somewhere in a disaster area, such as a place hit by flooding or a tornado. These houses have to be stored somewhere, so they are stored at such locations around the country, and paranoid consppiracy theorists are mistaking them for "internment camps."  ::)

Regarding the Boston bombing, my biggest question is what the explanation is for the hundreds that have been wounded who went to the hospitals around the city, and the many who are still at the hospital. Are they acting? Or is the conspiracy now that it wasn't all staged, but just carried out by the government, with a bunch of civilians as collateral damage?

I was under the impression they just bought those things at need, and then sold them off when the disaster had passed. That would be the way I would do it, seems more efficient that way.

But hey, if they want to store a bunch of them in camps, that's up to them.

They are more houses than trailers on wheels. Still long and thin though. Plus buying them, there may not be enough available when disaster strikes.

I hope their mother comes to the United States so we can put her in jail. She's been on the terrorist watch list since 18 months before the bombing.

Let's assume it was just the 1st bomb that was staged to account for the 'real victims', I haven't seen proof of that but many claim they exist..  the last 100 meters to the finish line was reserved for VIP's and invited guests, that takes away concerns of spectators being too close to get better footage of what's taking place behind the barrier.  The first responders probably aren't real police or paramedics, an example of that is the Craft International guys who were dressed as police at Sandy Hook.  If you take a look at the most played video of the event, the camera man just doesn't seem to want to pan down below the fence line - it seemed too consistent to be simply bad camera work.

The vast majority of media organisations are owned by a small number of Jews who are in bed with the government - they get fed exactly what they are to report on, notice the only reporting of the marathon runner saying that they announced that they were running a drill was a local station.

Hospital personnel, well the FBI could have easily come in and said that they're taking over a section but that may not needed since it was an Israeli hospital.

The same goes for any co-ordination of the hunt for them, which reminds me - I listened to a police scanner recording, someone said that they're firing rubber bullets - another guy came on sounding annoyed that was mentioned and said to switch to the other channel, hmmm.

The funerals were private - despite all the community support.

I don't want to address all you've listed, it takes too long but I think it can all be explained without too much of a stretch.


here's another odd scene for you viewing pleasure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvOyyoCoV6A

(Psst... Mike. Don't use the J word. Even if it's perfectly descriptive, still makes you look like a kook. People. Call them people who are in bed with the government.)

Yea there's a bit of a misconception that if you believe one conspiracy you believe them all, 'conspiracy theorists' do plenty of debunking themselves - I haven't really looked at the FEMA camps in much depth, I know there was an official document that appeared on their layout, facilities etc but I haven't gotten around to reading it.  It kinda makes sense to have them on standby though if they believe the economy is going to fall to bits.

It's possible that there were real injuries, I just don't believe any occurred from the first bomb, possibly the 2nd as well but haven't seen evidence to conclude anything from that one.

Damn Freemasons and their Jewry. Freemasons are Jewed-up with all their Jewy Jewness.

haha yea I was going to say Israeli but I don't know that - all references state Jew so I went with it despite the perceived anti-semetic overtones - it's funny how it's almost become like the N word.

haha that was quick - must be a Jew bot.

If desperate you can use the Z word, but you'll still get flamed for it.

yeah I've stated before I'm anti-zionist, not anti-jewish - but then not all jews are zionists so couldn't really be sure that would be factual, tho probably is correct.

BTW, there was some argument as to whether Nick Vogt (ex-army amputee) was playing the part of Jeff Bauman in the marathon.

It's pretty much confirmed - even outside the following video, the guy at the marathon was found to have a pinky missing as per Nick Vogt and his very unique hairline matches up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhwLYrRWUG8

Apparently the bombers are claiming to have acted in "self defence" before the drones hit them. Yes, this globe is one crazy place.

You really have to stop with this garbage. Instead of actively seeking out the outlandish crap produced by those who have an agenda to both absorb conspiracy material because they already believe it and manufacture it as well, what you should do, if you had any common sense at all, is seek to verify it or refute it. Don't you think, that if you actually attempted to start verifying or refuting, you would actually find something worthwhile out?

You can and should do some of your own homework here. You can verify or refute your above claim. Two ways to do it: find information out there on the Internet which refutes it, or physically go find these people and talk to them. You're not bothering to do method number 1, and you won't do method number 2. Otherwise, you're accomplishing nothing but rubbing the backs of other nuts, and convincing nobody else. So what's the point? Do some real research, instead of reposting the ravings of other nuts. That's not how the truth is discovered. Be a skeptic of your own beliefs for a day, and actively attempt to refute a claim such as the one you just made, and then I think your tune will change.

Also, not only is their no evidence his pinky is missing, there are very clear photos showing his pinky is not missing (on left hand).

how do you know what I've done?  I scoured the web for images for like 3 hours just on that one item, you're probably assuming like so many others that the theory is that the guy in the hospital is meant to be Vogt and it's not, just the guy at the marathon - different people.  That video just talked about the scars but had links to other references.

this guy's a bit over the top but seems to have convinced a few with the documents etc he's describing so what the hell:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHym0NyR05s

Boston Commissioner Calls Tamerlan and Dzhokhar "ACTORS" 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHdNLzD6KWM)

To be fair, "actors" doesn't always mean thespians. Is suspicious, though.

nice one - unfortunately it reminds me of Larry Silverstein's slip of saying 'pull it' regarding building 7 which hasn't helped at all!  :(

watch his eyes nothing but lies

He would have been better off if he didn't immediately correct himself, for the term used wouldn't have been too far off base.

Yup, and that's what makes it suspicious. That he did correct himself.

Confirmed: This Is Tamerlan Tsarnaev Being Arrested? 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS8CAUFFSMU)

They're having a hard time explaining this one away.

It's kinda frustrating, I've now seen video of spectators running toward the blast area filming and being told to get the hell out so what evidence there is has already been filtered, all we have is what they might have missed.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=moon-landing-faked-why-people-believe-conspiracy-theories

so what do you believe when it comes to whistleblowers?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trWcqxrQgcc

there are plenty of people that put their jobs and reputation on the line for no apparent gain in regards to events like 9/11 but it seems you choose to ignore them or don't even know they exist through blindly rejecting the conspiracy and not doing any research.



"The mocking of conspiracy theories in the American press and Western media is based on the simplistic argument that reason is on the side of the government and officialdom, not on the fringe of society and civilization.

Anti-conspiracy proponents ludicrously claim that conspiracy theorists are prey to paranoia and irrational thinking without explaining their own faulty reasoning. They put a huge emphasis on labels and none on facts. But they’re not unique. Apparently, name-calling is enough to win a court case in a 21st century American courtroom."

Funny, just reading some random articles - Senator McCain sounds just like Charlie Sheen and others talking about 9/11 here:
http://rt.com/usa/mccain-hagel-benghazi-attack-522/

"Of the information concerning the deaths of four brave Americans," McCain fired back. "The information has not been forthcoming. You obviously believe that it has. I know that it hasn't. And I'll be glad to send you a list of the questions that have not been answered, including 'What did the president do and who did he talk to the night of the attack on Benghazi?'"

what a nut!

What in the actual fuck!? McCain was specifically invited to meetings where Benghazi would be discussed, including closed-door meetings where they would discuss secret stuff, and he HIMSELF refused to go, and now he's claiming that the "information isn't forthcoming?" Who the hell is to blame for not geting the information, when it was offered MULTIPLE TIMES, if not him? What a f'in dumbass...


As for conspiracy theorists, they're idiots for the exact same reason religious apologists and science deniers are: They start from a conclusion (it was an inside job, or god did it, or it's all a hoax), and work their way backwards, specifically looking for things that support their hypothesis while ignoring everything else. Rational, scientific-minded people start with "I don't know," and take all evidence into consideration before coming to a conclusion.

Which makes people who believe the official story without question just as bad, doesn't it?

You have people who don't question, who stay silent. We don't really know about those, since they are silent, but they are just as bad, yes
You have people who do question, but since they don't have answers yet, they stay silent. Or people who already questioned, researched, and came to the most plausible conclusion (occam's raizor), and they also have no reason to speak up, because they know what they need to know
You have people who start with questioning, reach a conclusion, and then start to research, looking for things to support their conclusions. Those are usually the most loud and obnoxious, and stupid/misinformed/ignorant types that we hear from the most. They're the conspiracy theorists, the fire and brimstone preachers and protestors, the AM radio hosts, etc.

The last group is just vocally stupid, so they're easy to spot, and they're all idiots, no exceptions.
The first two groups are just more difficult to spot and discern between the stupid sheep and the smart silent types.

What about the loud stupid sheep?  :D

I'm just waiting for more info. I don't trust the govt much but this doesn't pass the smell test for some kind of conspiracy but on the other hand, there are some things which just don't seem to add up. *shrug*.

Again, how can you discern loud stupid sheep from loud people who did the research and know what they are talking about, but who are concerned about idiots spreading idiocy?

Oh yeah, you can review their research and scientific analysis. Sadly, the vocally stupid of the third group think science is "just a far" made up to confuse us.

Personally, I haven't heard too many sheep being loud about things told to them they didn't question. Even Fox News that regurgitates government propaganda is more of a third category than the first.

By the way, one of my coworkers is in on this conspiracy. She is claiming that her cousin was one of the people severely injured in that explosion, and put up posters with info and pictures, asking for donations to help with the hospital bills. But, since the whole thing was staged, obviously she's just scamming everyone here, right?  ::)

I believe the current conspiracy theory goes that the second bomb was real, or some such. As I said before, it's much more likely (Occam's razor again) that TPTB are simply making good use of a real incident, or at worst, trained and equipped a couple of patsies. The latter theory would require such a minor modification to their usual SOP that it's actually kinda scary. (Normally, the bomb is fake.)

A third, "mixed" theory is: They were going to "foil" a "terrorist plot" to bomb the Boston marathon, but the operation got out of control, the guys made real bombs, actually set them off, and the people involved panicked. I think this one fits all the available data best.

I think the thing that fits all available data best is that one crazy guy had his brain turned to mush by religious extremism, convinced his younger brother to play along, and they made bombs and detonated them in a highly populated area during a highly populated event, which, due to having a lot of people around, needed extra security to police. Note how there are also larger than normal police presences during marches and peaceful gatherings, but no one is claiming that those police are fake, or that they are there to stage a bombing.

The two men involved had been on the FBI's "radar" for some time, yet they still asked the public to identify them.
FBI regularly does these sorts of stings, where they find a susceptible individual, and convince him to try and blow something up. They then give him a fake bomb to plant, and a cell number to call, or a button to push, and tell him that doing so will blow up that bomb. When he does so, they arrest him for attempting to blow up whatever he planted the "bomb" at.
When you think about it, it is inevitable that, sooner or later, one of these things is going to get away from them. Perhaps this is that case.

when false flags don't fly  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJgv39GtcJ0

Hundreds of people are on FBI's radar. Couldn't a simpler explanation be that they just needed public's help to identify which ones out of the hundreds are the ones they are looking for?


Yeah, I'm aware. There have been a few cases of this, but not too many, unless they keep it secret, which would be pointless, since the whole point of that BS is to show the public that they are doing their job and are needed. So, maybe this was that, maybe this was just people acting on their own. I would say we don't know. Not sure if it's relevant, either, since the only thing FBI would have been able to contribute was to give them information and materials, but they can just as easily get it off the internet. It's intent and action of the bombers that counts.

I fully agree, we shouldn't freak out and overreact with giving government too much power in hopes of gaining protection when this stuff happens. Way more damage from 9/11 came from us passing rights-infringing homeland security laws and going to stupid wars, than was done by the 9/11 hijackers themselves. But that doesn't require conspiracies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment

Does this make good people decide to do bad things? Or does this make bad people decide that it's easier for them to do bad things than they thought it would be?

Investigative journalism is not what conspiracy theorists do. If only conspiracy theorists would engage in investigative journalism.

As for your last two paragraphs: The mocking of conspiracy theories is not due to the simplistic argument you've stated. Read the article I posted.

It makes easily swayed and manipulated people decide to do something they wouldn't have done on their own. You'd be surprised what power the phrase "the greater good" has over even the most moral of weak minds.

So... darwinism?  ;D

Of a sort, I suppose.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4f2mgj4UT0

I'm surprised to see Glenn Beck involved in all this, with one video having close to a 2M view count.

yeah, he seemed to think the saudi link was a big deal - I mean it probably was in that he was designated a terrorist, not just a suspect but these things are so easily swept under the carpet.

Really? His TV show was nothing but loony conspiracy theory stuff that even Fox News was too embarrassed about and killed his show.

In other news, the offenders were known to use cell phones, eat bread with cheese, watch tv, and surf on the Internet. By extension we should now shut down all cell phone networks, ban cell phones, bread, cheese, destruct all TV's and nuke the Intertubes from Orbit, just in case. Questions ? We'll take them later!

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