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Some of you guys must have watched high stake slot players in their pajamas rolling thousands of dollars in single spin, buying hundred of thousands worth of bonus spins. If you notice closely yo will found the same pattern all over again and again. They start with loosing most of their bank roll (almost 80-90%), and then going all in at last and guess what, bingo!!! they hit hundreds of thousands of dollars. Very few of them write in their stream discerption about rolling with fake money (or money of which they can only cash out like 1%). Almost all of them scream loudly and show us that they are winning it in real, some are very good at faking it, which attracts lots of new gamblers (with false expectations) and they end up loosing it all which ultimately leads to social disharmony.
The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

Why do you care? Are they forcing you to wager your money? Did they put a gun on your head? No. Whoever is falling for that scam and wagers more that he could afford to lose deserves to lose that money.

I bet most of the high rollers you see in the casino scoreboards are fakes. (maybe all of them)

pretty similar to this thread Fake bets (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5323351.0) the only difference is that the thread I shared is talking about Roobet's sponsored bets from a streamer. I suggest reading the thread you might find what the community thinks about this immoral marketing strategy.

I've read somewhere(maybe a post from the thread I shared or maybe from an article) that these streamers get a commission or a percentage of the winning they won from the sponsored money they got from the company. what I am saying is there might be a valid reason why they're that happy.

Such kind of strategy is not something new in this industry, lots of streamers who have enough large audiences already did it

When you found streamers who not state clearly the money they are used for (sponsored or their own money)  it's better to ignore them and do your gambling habit as usual. Besides that, there is no one force you to watch them.

Each person has the right to be the way they are, if they want to be sensationalist it is their way of being, if they do not want to share anything too, I have seen many cases where the bets are very large and not all the time they win, many high rollers lose too, that It is normal, it is in the statistics, this is not technical, it is luck at 1000%, this is the great thing about gambling.

You can call it rigged since they are making it look like the game will magically make you win once you hit a certain loss threshold on your bankroll. After all, these guys are just also paid to promote a platform or a service, and are oftentimes given a script or the possible outcome of the events on their advertisement. If you feel like you are cheated by such adverts, you better look at the way how other restaurants advertise their food on a commercial. They use the same tactic in essence, so I don't think it's something new anymore. Also, at the end of the day, the player has the decision to play on that certain platform being advertised or not. I'm pretty sure not all of us base our luck on the luck of others, and would not immediately play in that platform just because some dude streaming online won hundreds of thousands in a single roll.

If people can't recognize that this filthy means are being used as a hook to fool noobs into losing their money I don't think there can be to be done.
 Remember the saying a fool and his money are soon parted. I believe it can be considered like a market force that allows dumb people to lose their money in favor of those who are smarter. It may sounds harsh but that's the reality.

Seriously?

Arent these things are part of a marketing strategy and this is the most common or known where advertisers or streamers out there been paid up to promote such site and obviously
using up sponsored money by the house itself?This had been known and been obvious.Why would talking about stopping it? What for?

These arent illegal things for you to mandate that it should be stopped.Yes, its deceptive but as a viewer you can eventually tell that its not their money.

Also, you do have the will neither you do play or not if you do find it out.Its their money and its none of our business if they would tend to play or not once they do saw those gameplay.

This is some upright and bold argument. Yet, have you even wondered why gambling alone is already a risk of losing your money and not just a "potential" loss? Every gambler and even new comers are warned that gambling itself is risky, regardless of how people would promote certain gambling websites and how they "fake" their actions and reviews for a platform. Also, the only immoral marketing strategy in here is faking the number of bets, in which can easily be found by a lot of gamblers in here once they've bumped right onto one.

I know some of my friends that gamble huge money and it is really common that the longer you spend betting and the more you bet the higher the chance to win huge and might return your initial capital back. It is common to all, yet how can it be wrong to streaming players?

I understand your point but as a viewer, you should realize that it's a part of marketing.

It's become immoral to you because you don't like the idea but in the end, it's up to us if we will buy those that we watched or not.

Do you really think other people will just follow those streamers that easily?

I have watched some streamers that are really wild in their streams but they've been doing that for a long time and they're known for having that type of personality.
The entertainment value is the reason why people are watching them because it's fun and it's just a plus if the viewers will actually go gamble as what they've watched from those entertainers.

As others have said, it is really up to the viewer if he will be attracted to this kind of marketing strategy. That's their job to get many players as they can by this stunt. And by the way, this should be in the gambling discussion board. If the OP can move to this section - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=228.0

They are not forcing you to gamble anyway so there’s no immoral on that and that’s a legal way to market their casinos services so I don’t see any problem here at all aside from the different perspective of the gambler. If those marketing strategy is not good for you, then better to leave and go gamble anywhere.

Yes, just like the tv commercials that we used to watch and we're just passing it whenever we're watching our favorite shows. And just as these streamers or call them entertainers, we enjoy watching them and that marketing strategy is also their side deals to earn more but it's still our decision if we're going those promos.

This kind of marketing strategy not only happens on gambling sites but for other services as well such as products, goods, offered skills, etc.

It's not new and I know viewers already know what they are doing. Gambling needs deposit so viewers won't just risk their money easily just because they saw popular streamers doing that way.

If somebody got tricked, then the marketing is working but we shouldn't blame them for doing that kind of promotion.

First, it a marketing procedure it shouldn't be count or see as something immoral.
Second, all these claims about the streamers should be counted as controversial because they are only backed with words and no evidence. Besides, it may be the doing of another gambling site that considers the site subject a problem to their business due to the huge traffic the site is experiencing.
Gosh, I can't believe people take this so seriously.

This kind of strategy has been used not just in gambling but to other platforms too. Using such strategy is to promote their own gambling sites or whatever it is as long as their plan is to gather more people to try it. It is up to the person if he/she will gamble or not unless he/she is forced to gamble also no one is forced to gamble your money.

No matter what the casino or their hire person, it is our responsibility to be careful if we want to play gambling because that is our money. We do not want to lose much money. We need to remember that playing gambling is risky, and we can lose money anytime and only with be careful we can avoid the big loss in gambling. We can warn the newcomers, but we do not know how much money they will use in gambling, and I do not think that they will go to other people about that.

I will tell you a secret , 90% of the streamers are on a contract and are playing with the fake money
trust me I know what am I talking about
name any top streamer or a group of streamers , all of them are getting balance to stream , a very generous revenue share and whatever they "lose" or "win"
is NOT their own money , they do not risk a penny
I thought it was obvious , come on - a "top streamer" winning 300.000 euros every other week ( funny , is not it) and buying bonuses for 10-50k a pop
lives in the same rented apartment and is showing the same level of emotions
some are better at it , some are faking it even faker than their play money is :)
them , unlike true addicts and gamblers are making money through the affiliate and decent money too

I can agree with this.
And the truth is if a person is stupid enough not to understand that he is being deceived by streamers or other advertisers, then let him pay for his stupidity. Maybe he'll be smarter ;D ???
In general, when you see any advertisements on TV or on the Internet, you automatically begin to doubt that everything is so good with this, washing with a powder "or" toothpaste. In general, a normal adult simply from life experience understands when he is being deceived :)
But sometimes he cannot assess how such information corresponds to reality, how true it is?

Marketing is marketing... and they are using everything they can to draw attention! It's the purpose of marketing in the end! When it comes to this matter I always like to quote famous sentence:

In the end, let's not forget that streamers (gambling streamers) tip their followers all the time! It's not like that you follow them for nothing and you enjoy their big winnings! Something else is when you decide to deposit a lot to play slots... and you lose all that!

That would be true. Paid promoters did not actually deposited their own money to gamble instead they will gamble what the platform gave to them and the streamer will get rewarded as what they do are what will attract more gamblers to try their site out and eventually lose most of them.

How to market gambling besides the winning scene? They can't because that's what they are selling, the hope of getting rich.
Nothing honest in marketing, and even burgers are different. What you see isn't what you get.

If the viewers at least 18 years old, they should know this real-world situation and somewhat skeptical about the advertisement. Their naivety is their own fault. However, I agree if this streaming industry is not healthy. Therefore, streaming platforms will take action sooner or later to clean up the mess.

highly unlikely , I remember the grand purge on Twitch of 2018  when many if not all of the old casino streamers were banned
and what did Twitch gain from it?
the streamers and their audience went to youtube
streaming platforms are not the pursuers of the morals , they are making money while pushing the global agendas at the same time
banning gambling from the streaming platforms completely is nearly impossible , there will always be people  who want to gamble their money away or to watch others do it

^I think there will be class actions if we see more and more real users (not the losing casinos) complaining about this, and the platform will be forced to comply. At least they will restrict the video to 18+ and force streamers to state disclaimers about the reality of this "fake money." Their new woke policies regarding racism and hate speech already in-effect. Why not adding more absurd rules to the T&C? Twitch and Youtube are in bed together anyway.

But where is the class action?

I don't think those fake videos are any different than the fake advertisements you see on TV or the internet when casinos and bet shops are being advertised. The image they are trying to convey is one of success, wealth, and class. Businessmen in suits drinking martinis and champagne as they are surrounded with beautiful women who cheer with them in their victories. When I enter a betting shop in my region, all I see are dark rooms filled with cigarette smoke, middle aged men cursing and swearing because they were so close to a win.

All commercials and advertisements are fake, and the casino industry is no different from the rest. 

Op, I've heard of this issue of sponsorship which is not declared properly and fake reactions from the streamers before, and while it might be an immoral strategy, it's just that. It can stop when it stops working, I mean when people are not attracted to a casino this way anymore because they perceive it as a misleading practice and avoid the casino. And, to be honest, I don't know how abundant this practice currently is and how many people actually fall for this. If enough people are not interested in this and are not happy with this marketing strategy, it will go away.

Simply people arent really just dumb or arrogant for them not to sense or know something when they do test out on their first trial.If there's something deceptive kind of way

specially dealing with non-fairness of the site then that would really be ending up a bad thing for such casino. Advertisers or influencers would normally be accepting these kind of offers

and this isnt an immoral marketing strategy but rather a normal one it is just there are some who cant just accept that they had lost after following some streamers.

I don't think they will always have a similar cycle of it. Moreover, not all start with that kind of loss. Many new gamblers who are losing in their first spins may stop their wager or even try another luck in another gambling.
Can they really ensure that they'll win in the next spins?
Nobody.
Although there may be such kinds of probabilities because this kind of strategy is commonly implemented, it doesn't mean to apply to most players. Everybody has their own choice to start, play, and also stop anytime.

OP should accept this fact when it comes to playing you are on your own, the gambling sites will lure you to play more with their giveaways cashback and freebies, it's on you if you are going to play with all your money, it's gambling and it's based luck you can win it all or lose it all, and there's no use blaming them, or you just don't want to blame yourself and feel sorry that you lose you turn your balming in the gambling site.

They're obviously been paid by the casino to play and promote it they do get overhyped when they win even tho the money is not theirs, do i think this is immoral and kinda misleading ? Maybe. Does this behaviour needs to be stopped ? No.I believe some people maybe find this entertaining (myself included)

At the end of the day if you're a compulsive gambler or someone who has a real problem with gambling i suggest you just stay away from those streams.

Each of us does have different impressions on the things that we do able to watch and if this one do really give us some bad impressions to be some sort of deceptive on your part then better stop watching it

because even if you do make out some complaints or words towards it then nothing can really be changed.You wouldnt know if these players are really showing off some enjoyment on real or just pretending.

Actually you can really point out when its already obvious and just like what others said that it is still depending on your own decision if you would play or not even
how well  they do convince out their viewers to play.

This is common marketing strategy thats been used with all businesses. We need to be aware of it. With gambling people won't go fall with these kind of marketing. There are legitimate platforms that let you withdraw all the funds without any form of restrictions. As days pass people are much aware of the gambling community, so they're into trusted platforms.

Up to the person if he will be attracted on this kind of marketing strategy.
Everyone is free to do their own techniques of marketing.
That is why, if you are user, you need to scrutinize if they are really worth checking.
There are tons that are doing this technique, and they are gaining attention because of this practice.

Sounds like OP recently fell for one of such "hackers" who claim to know a bug in some betting site or a winning strategy. I, myself lost quite solid amount of money falling for them in the past. You should ask yourself when someone tries to convince you: "what will he benefit from this?" if he has so called "winning strategy" he would put everything he has, make millions and quit to spend rest of his life in some private island instead of making videos by disclosing his personality and earn few thousands at most from affiliate commisions or ad contracts with betting services.

give him a little time he will realize it. we have all seen it, their names keep coming up in the list of high rollers. i didn't even realize they are influencers/streamers until someone posted their youtube video. but hey they prefer that kind of marketing. a company would rather hire someone who personally has tried playing on them than someone who has not. if you are not convinced by these streamers then don't play to whichever he promoted. its still up to you.

this happened to me . i was about to end the game with a  loose if not because of that one last bet .
 i recover my capital with a few profit . its not always a pattern used in marketing but it do occurs for real to the lucky gamblers .
its the fault of the viewer if he hopes too much and he copy what the streamer is doing because the viewer can be badluck that time and good gambling sites always warn us about the risks in gambling .

I believe that everything we see on TV, on the Internet, in magazines, and pretty much every advertisement or marketing activity shouldn't be trusted 100%. Even if someone says the sky is blue, you should double-check before you blindly believe them.

Everyone's in the game for the money, that's a fact. Not everyone is willing to scam or mislead people to earn cash, but most people will do this. So, it's up to the audience to be smart enough and not to believe everything they see or hear or read.

Specifically for this topic, I'd say watch them for fun if you like that kind of action. Play yourself if you want to play. Just don't expect 1. to experience whatever happened to the streamer 2. to win if you play and spend long enough. The house always has the edge and game results come from random number generators. There's nothing a player can do to surely win and that's the situation like it or not.

In any type of game, viewers like to watch to see what players are able to do. And in many cases, doing what we may not be able to do.

The same applies to games of chance, with the difference that the spectator can normally be part of the game.

It is up to the viewer to know what to do, so as not to be harmed. Humans in general, are easily influenced and therefore, it can be tricky not to fall into these marketing strategies.

These are regrettable strategies, but ultimately the fault lies with the people who are misinformed, and with the dreams that are sold by the consumer society in which we live.

We really have a choice to believe or not besides, this is just a marketing strategy and the casinos is not forcing us to play. Newbies have to realize that every casinos have their own marketing strategy, so its up to you if you’re going to play because of those high rollers marketing strategy, or you just want to play to have fun and you didn’t care with those marketing strategy at all. Here in forum there’s a lot of marketing strategy, like giving you the some extra reward if you place on too which very few are joining, so this is a sign that not all are biting those marketing strategy.

Yes, there are a few in the way of reputable casinos, specially now when there are so many around, popping out from nowhere, some with no licence - but I suppose this doesn't matter since they only try to scam people.

Having said this, there are a few places you can still enjoy a game or two where you don't need to worry about the legitimacy of the casino. But I do agree that with more choice in the market comes more risk for newbies to get scammed. Unfortunately, this applies everywhere ( mostly online) not just the gambling community, so the same diligence must be applied at all times.

Always be cautious on sites that your dealing with which isnt only limited to gambling sites but on other platforms as well which i highly agree with this line but there are people whom are just
too careless or do really trust up easily when they've been shown some nasty winnings or multipliers with those top wagerers in the site whom they thought that it was always a legit
thing.Im not generalizing but as mentioned they are really playing with this kind of set-up to hook up possible players on their site.

If you keep your eyes and ears open, you won't need anyone else to awaken you about it. Likewise, if gamblers already know that it's just a plain trick by gambling sites to attract new gamblers to play on their slots or go for their slot bonuses, even new gamblers won't entertain such websites and never visit them again. The thing is, weighing all of them on one scale isn't good because not all of the gambling websites does like that. I even don't know which sites or influencers you're talking about TBH but FYI, I never gamble on slots even after watching someone creating fortunes over a specific slot and the gambling site asking us to try it out. Every gambler has a different taste and so, slot doesn't suit me.

Yep Ive heard and seen this one done before but its not really surprising as an idea, so long as the person gambling is playing with the same odds as everyone does then I dont mind exactly.    The case I know best is where the person paid to play made a massive deal out of not being able to withdraw all their winnings, so it was somebody famous in the community and they threw a tantrum even though they knew from the start it was a set deal and most people realised they had just agreed to play through free chips.
   Similar kind of thing is like deposit bonuses where winnings have to be played 40 times or something ridiculous though it can be alot smaller.   Again I dont mind so long as its clear and actually I did win that way once, totally free pay roll and I just kept running through the game until I had clocked up enough revenue to withdraw my winnings.   I didnt really expect to keep winning that long but sometimes it works out, either way I had nothing to lose and I dont mind promotions like that.
   All gambling is caveat emptor, its part of the game though I agree some know these things better then others.   Anyone new is best advised to proceed slow and get familiar to have the best chances just fair general advice.

Basically, it comes down to being lucky or unlucky.

Imagine that a casino gives $ 10 to new users. The user, as a fan of a club, bets $ 10 on that club, and against all odds of winning the club wins the game. The user wins $50, simply because he was happy with his bet. At this point he has two options, stop playing and withdraw the $50. Or keep betting. But will you be so lucky? You can be happy and make a right bet, or go wrong and get $0.

The player must know how to stop! If you enter a cycle of greed, it will only be harmful. You can start spending some change, like spending fortunes.

The person must play to fan and if eventually he has any financial return, great. You should never gamble with the goal of getting rich. This rarely happens.

If the owner finds this marketing strategy effective, I'm sure they will be hiring more entertainers/streamers/vloggers or any kind of hired man to promote their casino with a strategy like this. I don't find this marketing promotion immoral, Because this is what common marketing is. We can compare it to a smartphone company, In this case, let's use Samsung, They hired "Blackpink" to promote their phones but there are photos that some Blackpink members are actually using iPhone. This shows that it will be on the people to decide if they will fall for the marketing because of the positive things that the promotion showed to them. I'm sure people know the risk of going into gambling. I think it would be immoral if the casino involved in the promotion has records of scamming people and still luring out gamblers on marketing strategies like this.

Unfortunately, this does not always happen. Of course, the main culprit is the person. But that really is a problem that exists in both the offline and online world.

I was really amazed by those streamers hitting the jackpots like they are meant to get it. I was thinking that there is really something fishy on their bets because some of them win often than a normal gambler does, they bet without hesitation but they don't get suspicious from their fans so it is really hard to accuse them. They have a large fanbase so many will be tempted to try their luck on that platform. Even my friends tried but ended up with nothing in their bankroll, I'll show this thread to them to avoid those paid streamers. Thanks for posting this to spread awareness.

The reason that OP might've cared is because OP is easily influenced by people on the Internet or that OP got betrayed by his/her favorite entertainer or content creator. This goes to show that we have to take everything that we see on the Internet with a grain of salt. I agree with @mindrust about the people that are falling for this scam deserving to lost.

i saw a video in a gambling group that looks like that except about the pajama part but i havent thought that he was related to the casino but maybe he was just sharing his experience  . maybe thats how you trigger a big win ? you need to feed the site first and then the win will come out later on  .

if your an advertiser you need to act well so that you can attract costumers but putting a disclaimer that all are seen is just an advert is always appreciated .

The problem with this is if they are playing being paid by the casino under the table, as is being discussed. The sequence of plays described by the OP may be due to pure variance, but if it happens a lot it makes one suspicious. It should be investigated.

its the same with us who wears signature. i do bet on stake.com particularly on MMA and boxing. i followed these sports a lot though i'm not an expert to speculate who will win on every match. i can guarantee that i have at least more than 60% winning rate. in the UFC prediction thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139347.0;topicseen), users speculate who will win on matches, its up to you to believe them sometimes i follow tokeweed's bet too. he didn't force me but i can see his bet makes sense. if the streamer influencer speculates as well, there is no forcing you to do the same but his marketing still matters for the casino.

^ What is wrong with the marketing strategy?
Please don’t take it offensively but marketing materials are made or created to get the emotions of the target market. On that one, it pertains to people who actually did the same or already experienced the same thing when they were gambling.  And that is actually one of their best experience and the emotion is somehow high and great to them. Nevertheless, it was made to make them remember their experiences of winning from placing bets so they will be attracted to get in. Simple as that.

Investigated? I agree if the casino in question has a multitude of negative complaints against it, but I disagree if the casino is a legitimately popular site and has a positive reputation overall.

These marketing strategies are pretty common these days and are utilised to promote many FIAT and crypto sites successfully. You and op are overly sceptical in this case in my opinion.

How can you call a marketing strategy an Immoral when they are just letting you watch for free and it is your prerogative to believe or not.

Since you have already has this Idea then you are safe from their strategy , and you can say whatever you want as long as you are no foul in words that you delivering for reading.

Remember that Those gambling site don't Force you to gamble so it is your stupidity if you fall into their traps.

We must be aware of our decision and action and losing is our mistake and not theirs.

The people promoting the casinos online are not responsible for your decision that you are going to gamble on that site and lose your money, of course they are going to lie on their advertisement, they have to look good when a lot of people are going to see them, always remember that first impression lasts.

But it happens in almost all areas. Those who review the iPhone, a new game or anything else, if they are known, someone is funding them to do that job.

For example, I remember that a few years ago there was a controversy with Apple, for paying people to go to the queues when the new iPhones come out.

Is it a questionable marketing strategy? It might be. But it has been used unfortunately for many years. Sometimes these cases are known, but most are unknown.

Yeah you're right. They promoting and to attract people they need to say all the good things of their business. Have you heard advertisement telling bad about their business? No. Advertisement is like applying for a job. You selling yourself, you tell everything good that makes you perfect fit for the role so you can get the position. That's the strategy and it for me it's not immoral. What ever the result of your gambling it's all your choice and decision nothing to do with the advertisement or people promote you.

Are you talking about those streamers that stream their gambling session? All of them are paid by the casinos. The money they receive for playing goes back into the casino. As far as I know, the streamers aren't allowed to withdraw anything. Hence, they don't care at all if they win or lose. For them it's nothing. So they make crazy bets without even thinking twice since they aren't risking anything. All they have to do is play and when they win, scream so they can attract/tempt people who are watching to gamble. A very perfect marketing strategy where only fools would think this all are real!

Get used to it because this is part of marketing stuff and there's no way you can stop this kind of marketing way because streamers or influencers would most likely accept these kind of offers
knowing that they can generate income or money with just simply trying to fake out those wins and if you are a viewer who does know on how these scheme works then better shut up
and skip out and try to find another one. Why would be watching these streams if you do know that those funds are obviously sponsored?

Yes that was OP is referring to. That kind of advertisement is already usual to see so OP just have to be used on it.

OP doesn't like the way because it's like a scam although it's still up to the viewers if they will gamble on the promoted site. We can see that kind of advertisement not just in the gambling but for other services, products and even games as well.

Money talks!

It would be always this way and as long you get paid then you would need to make the work done and not all will be having the same impression.

There would be always those people will be fascinated when it comes to huge winnings or huge bet per roll that is something that you can see on day basis.

The era of all life with modern internet technology, the cukong began to apply the idea in a content manner in creating online gambling sites that have been rife in cyberspace, It's no wonder they have a whole lot of fake strategies, tips and tricks with victims caught up in the game: roulette, blackjack, soccer betting and many others disappointed and lost.

There are thousands of ways they do to get victims trapped in their gambling, big bonus offers, top up bigger yield balances, the bottom line: if we understand it all more avoid and do in a gambling site that has a good and fair reputation.

IMO most of the streamers can't be trusted, especially the ones like you describe here, with big wins. But you can't blame them for doing it, they're getting paid for it and it's a standard advertising case, you are promised a lot in the ad - you receive barely any of that in real life. People ought to know that and use their own brains not to fall for it.

We don't blame the toothpaste companies to make people's smiles in the ads so white and shiny, while in real life it's nothing like that, right? It's just business, everyone does that. The only one to blame here is the person, that falls for the trap, not the one that sets it.

You would really be the one to blame if you do let yourself fall into these kind of advertisement and make yourself believe that you could also win big time just like on what those advertisers been doing.

Its not immoral though because they are just doing their job even if its a kind of deceptive but its up to you if you believe on and since we do have our own will then its just too obvious that theyre betting

habit is something that you can see very commonly.Betting just like theres no tomorrow since they do know that its not their money to lose.

That’s their job so be it, casinos are just doing their strategy to market their product and no one forcing us to wager on that site, that’s still our choice to make. This is not immoral as long as its legal, and if you feel its not necessary to do so, then avoid that specific gambling site or casinos, we all have different belief.

Loser , Gamblers are not fool , they knew what they are playing for and besides why sounds like very troubled ? have you lose too much because of your own foolishness falling from those traps?

Seems that he started his gambling journey just after watching those streamers and perhaps he thinks that he can get the same result with the streamers.
Advertising is everywhere in this world, we as consumers needs to be smart before deciding to choose any products.
We choose the products should not because of the advertisements but it should because we need it or we like the product.
That's how marketing or advertising works, showing a good thing of the product.
In case of gambling, 99% casinos will show big wins of their players for the marketing purpose.
It does not make senses if casinos show big loses of their players for the advertisement as it may make potential players worry/afraid to play.

We all are in this crypto world where most of the corporate players (be it crypto casino, exchange, or ICO) are out of any govt regulation.
Even online gambling.
No consumer protection law protects you, what you spend is at your own risk.

What I want to say is if we get lured into large bet gambling by watching those streamers content, and if you lost your big money as a result, who is to be blamed? Crypto gambling by default is legally grey area as everyone knows, and we should protect ourselves from its own risk..

Well, even we are regulars, we still get the "poison" when someone share big wins. This is a common strategy that makes us unable to stop playing completely.
Replace the "streamers" with "friends" and you will achieve the same result  ;D

IMO the immoral marketing strategy of gambling is not promising big wins, but promising profits, ROI, etc., with the purpose of get rich quick or a job (source of income).

You have to learn the tricks to win big in gambling digital marketing can be an interesting profession for those who are studying business education business administration if the marketing strategy in gambling does not work properly. Anyone can turn the wheel of their destiny if they want to can be financially self sufficient you can acquire skills and experience in education by joining an international organization one can engage oneself in freelancing or freelance profession. A combination of marketing strategies and strategies that bring an individual or business's online advertising to the top of google.

Ohh shiiit man, I hope that doesn't refer to me :D
I also get a ton of screenshots from "friends". Just wanted to say "Your Game isn't my Game", get your own passion :v

I never even bothered about the streamers (even watched their live streaming)

We have to keep in mind, that is called to this type of game "gambling" and not "lucky game".
When you enter this type of game, you have to keep in mind that you are going to lose, and occasionally you can win. No, the other way around.

Now, there are many ways to try to withdraw some money in these types of games. And that involves marketing strategies, but aggressive, to trick more players into getting into this type of game.

 

I didn't know that there is something like that happening in gambling(I mean streaming gambling).
We don't really know if it is scripted or what but they are also playing just like us and it is a gamble or game of chance so they might just hit it at some point.
Just remember that even if they could win huge profit in gambling not everyone could do it,
Just because it seems easy when they do it doesn't mean that it is really easy to do.
They are streamer they have experience and skills I mean some of them not those who just shows boobs or sexy image to attract viewers.

Every business tries to lure customer with some fakeness otherwise you would not be attracted towards it.Casinos are taking bets and exchanges are faking trade volumes to make their reputation and customer base strong in the market.This is becoming thier promotional strategy to make profits out of your loss.Casinos not only fake bete but pay streamers to promote their casino which place huge bets on their platform and win high multiplier and the audience also get trapped in the same.This argument have been discussed earlier also but nothing major impact was made.So it is all on you if you are interested to play and wager on any slot game then go for it and with your luck, experience, strategies you can definitely win small or huge even if they are faking it you always stand a chance.It is not that they are spending money just to fool you but they want you to play which could be an opportunity for you to win even if you loose it can be recovered with one single high multiplier if you are lucky.So try to see positive as well as negative impact of everything.

Among the marketing strategies, the ones they are saying are not aggressive at all, I have seen many marketing publications that buy traffic, that move masses by promising rewards and do not fully comply with them, I think that at the moment they promise they must fulfill there for me if There is immorality or lack of professional ethics, there are many sites that take advantage of the need of others to fulfill the objective, the biggest scenarios for traffic are still Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, Facebook and forums doing shilling, the rewards they offer are sometimes very small but if many publications are made it becomes profitable, which turns people into slaves, that if it seems like a marketing that is something immoral.

Whenever what form or method it is then its up to personal views and impression if that kind of way is immoral or not because we do have different approach when it comes to certain things
but actually you do have some point when it comes to that. When it comes to aggressiveness then this one is just really been part but in terms of marketing as a whole
then there are lots of various ways.

I absolutely hate this tactic but here is the issue. You have YouTuber's who are "undesirable" to Google AdSense  advertisers for one reason or another. Usually these YouTube Channels that are targeted by the Casinos are the ones that already don't give a shit. Most of the ones your see these casino ads on are de-monetized by there home platform of YouTube for making content that's not advertiser friendly. Some of these channels will have millions of followers but the content they make isn't family friendly so instead of making tens to hundreds of thousands from YouTube they get paid just "hundreds of dollars". The work-around is merchandise (shirts/collectibles/etc) or taking ad placements from undesirable companies.

These YouTuber's need to monetize somehow and who is there to fill that role? When I say undesirable advertisers I'm talking about casinos, cigarettes, booze, and penis pills/sex toys lol.

The big YouTuber that comes to mind is Stevewilldoit. YouTube has De-monetized the shit out of that kid so he has to take on cringe-worthy impromptu on-screen "betting style ads" from casino advertisers. If your a young de-monetized YouTuber then RooBet Casino will be there to fill your monetization needs. They seem to be the worst offender in this space. They target young, moderately sized, mostly de-monetized YouTubers. On someone like Stevewilldoit you'll see both stealth placement ads (were they appear in his video without name dropping kinda like drinking a can of coke on a sitcom but playing roobet on a youtube video) OR direct placement ad where he will straight up say "brought to you by Roobet".

To be fair they have to advertise somewhere but I I'm like most of you. I cringe when I see predatory ad tactics like these. It's one thing to advertise your  brand but to have streamers that young people look up too appearing to win insane amounts of money by recommending dangerous "foolproof" betting strategies like doubling down till you win, etc. Whats worse is some of them "pseudo-advertise" their lack of KYC rules to attact players from the USA and underage kids.

So who is to blame here? The de-monetized Youtuber's hosting risky channels or the online casinos w/ cringeworthy ads  & laughable KYC enforcement... You be the judge of that.

this is the reality of having in this community and we must understand that being here is already a risk so best to be knowledgeable .
and this is why I mostly laugh in thread like this , making stuffs as if they are already a victim but the truth is they seems like having a inside motive.
exactly , this is our own risk and our own stupidity , because gambling is already a grey area and everything that comes inside must surely grey.

Education is the only thing that can stop people falling for these tricks, unfortunately the best education you will receive is sometimes losing money and using the pain of that experience to avoiding repeating the same mistake. It is sad that these "influencers" are able to get away with it and some countries have cracked down on this form of deceitful marketing, however it can be very hard to prove what is really taking place unless. These sort of tricks take place all throughout life, which is why you have to learn critical thinking skills and look at every angle like you did. Understanding that these gambling operations are a business that makes money from losing players is what you always need to consider when placing a bet. Some games like poker or live blackjack can possibly be gamed in favor of an intelligent player, but slots are literally random number generators with flashy graphics designed to move your money to the casino's pocket.

Not only critical thinking but also having that common sense you would need because there are things in life that we do encounter which are bit obvious.Even  without having sufficient experience or learning

but too wary on how things works or whats happening around you then most likely you would really be able to detect it out.Yeah, this can be considered to be a trick since this is a deceptive way of marketing

where those advertisers been using those sponsored money just to show off that they are really spending their own money from their pocket and making out huge bets as if theyre affected when they lost

but the truth is that they dont really just care at all and do only mind on the pay on where the company would be giving out later on.

turn around you , check all the sites that operates online and you will find that more than half of them are having this kind of strategy in their own ways , they might not looks like immoral but if you dig deeper then you'll find their Immorality .

This is common now mate , just be careful in your playing and in your choosing of site, if you are not comfortable then move on to other site, easy as that.

I agree, when it comes to playing it's up to us where, when, and how much are we going to spend or wager, I don't see how these high rollers perform all I care is how I will play and how much I am going to wage, I already know that there is a lot of fakes advertising but I choose to ignore as long as I only play money I can afford to lose.

Each gambling sites has their own strategy no matter how bad or good it is as long as they attract more players. Fake advertisements are everywhere because honestly, they wouldn't create ads that will discourage their players. Lots of streamers are also taking advantage of this opportunity and what we just need to do is just to be skeptical and be wise in choosing a good site and game.

It is a much much better if gambling sites will just be honest and transparent on what they are promoting in the public. Honesty is the thing that can make loyal users that will trust the service. On the other hand, lies will just be seen sooner pr later, expect having distrust and small community to the site if that happened.
Personally I like those sites that are running contests.

I cannot agree with you more. In gambling, even businesses in every industry, tend to dramatize their content whether true or not just to attract people. It may be immoral to perspective of some but that is just how things worked and still are working. On the other hand, there are those people who share their reviews and expose such. 

In some cases the streamers were paid by the respective gambling platform. This is a wrong way of promoting the platform, because the streamer isn't risking anything. He's just playing on the gambling site for fun, whether he wins or losses doesn't affect him. He'll be paid. If a streamer is doing on his own learning the we can't comment on it. Because, it is his money and his wish to wager with big funds.

How can it be wrong? If you say so, means that all advertisements that you see every single day on TV, Internet, Newspapers are all wrong?
Come on man, it is all about business. Any business needs advertising and these streamers are part of the business.
It will be wrong if those streamers forces you to gamble, if they gives you guarantee of win although I doubt if it is wrong thing to do since even if there is a streamer give you guarantee of win and you are being fooled of it then it is your own fault.
I do not mean to defend any sites or any streamers who do it, but it is what it is.
We as customers are the one who responsible for ourselves.

What you say is right, I've said about the streamers initiating common man to gamble through the fake bets. As you said everything is business, and we the customers need to take care of ourselves. However if a real streamer is wagering and following him if someone gets into gambling the newcomer will have known about true reality of gambling. That is why I mentioned usage of fake streamers as wrong way of promotion.

Gambling attracts people who cannot keep their emotions in check, that is the main target audience for them. Which means when you do marketing like this, you are telling people who can see the reality "we are not interested in you if you can see the reality" and when people who have no idea how fake these streamer things are you tell them "oh wow he did that!! come on in maybe you can do it too!" and that is the type of people casinos want to attract. Why?

Because if you are a smarter person and know what you are doing, you will not end up losing too much money in a weird way, of course people can still lose money and that's fine, there are people who lose tens of millions of dollars, but the point here is that you may not end up losing too much to idiotic moves, if you make smart moves you could still lose tens of millions of dollars if you are a rich person.

Those streamers have a huge viewers and that can be a good market strategy for every gambling site because it is being views by many, this may look immoral or what, but yes its legal and there’s nothing wrong about it. You can simply just watch the other live games if you think those streamers are just playing around without using his own money, beside they are not forcing us to watch and play, this is just their way to market that game and it looks effective that’s why they continue.

I agree. In every business its a must to execute an effective marketing strategy to attract people to use their product or in gambling to play on their sites. Im not against in this kind of strategy because it will depend on ourselves if we're going to bite their offer or believe on what we see. If the streamer lose or hit a jackpot (regardless if its real or he is paid to do so) dont expect the same destiny to happen to you.

Gambling itself is not a guaranteed money making platform or an answered prayer to become rich. Thats why only gamble the money you dont really need, because there's no assurance of good outcome if you gamble your money.

I don’t think you can blame the advertiser for trying to make their product appear as exciting as possible. As long as their games are provably honest and they aren’t doing anything other than what they have promised their customers, I don’t think there’s an issue. It’s not like they’re going to show you someone losing their retirement savings and their family after using their site…

When we get into gambling it is our responsibility to set our limits and have self control. In reality many gamblers fail in it. Every way of promotion will show only the product to be exciting and enjoyable. We the users need to analyse and understand the reality and make right decisions. With our experience we can create awareness which is the only good that a gambler can do based on his experience.

Online gambling is stiff competition and every one of them is vying to get a big slice of the pie, so expect a lot of fake promotions, fake stats, included on some gambling sites promotion, but not all of them there are gambling sites that thrive on transparency and honesty, your task as a player is to check if the gambling sites you are playing are honest and transparent with good reputation.
Part of playing in a gambling site is to have a feeling of security and comfort, knowing you are in good hands and if you win you're going to get your winning and if you break the rules they will tell you right away before playing.

 

It's still on the players discretion to play on that site if everything was already seen by them. The thing is if you want to play on a site you're not familiar with then better to DYOR, that's the best thing every player/gambler can do.

Recently there was a case whereby a player was accusing a site I frequent on being a scam and rigged, despite them giving away tons of vouchers and having implemented provably fair.

It's just those special breed that think casinos are charities and all bets made must be won.

Some gamblers doesn't even make effort to look over the background of the gambling site they are planning to play at. A lot of those players were lately been scam. Regarding the specific topic, it's a form of advertising their site. One should know if the advertisement is exagerrated or not. As what OG said, as long as the games on their site are probably fair, and the site has no intention of being scam, everything is fine.

The thing is some people are easy to accuse the site over what they experience (bad side) especially if it's an unknown site or it's know yet not to be trusted when they (these gamblers) themselves doesn't care to research a bit. I don't think I've seen a content in some video platforms about gamblers winning some huge stash just my themselves most of them are really that sponsored (I say most).

I am sticking on the trusted sites and even if they do that kind of advertising I wouldn't mind as long as they pay me if I won on my bets that's fine too.

In addition, a history of great victories will always exist. Whether in casinos or anything else. It is up to the person to realize that these events are exceptions and that because they happened to others, it does not mean that they happen again or that they happen to us.

This is the same as someone with a GPU undermining Bitcoin solo. How likely is it to win a reward? Virtually zero. But, even if it is 0.00000001%, it can happen. Despite that, it was an event that can never be repeated, and for that reason, it would not be very intelligent to go running and do the same with the right expectation that I would also achieve. You can try for the spirit of adventure, but you have to try to understand that the most certain thing is never to happen.
 

I'm afraid that DYOR is the very thing that sometimes leads people to watch those streamers. Some people perceive these vids as reviews on certain casinos. I mean, this actually sounds insane, I thought everyone knew that they're getting paid for it, and the streamers are sometimes even open about such things. But, judging from the OP's post, apparently not  :D

You got the point!

Experienced ones would always have the edge when it comes to decision making and able to avoid possible unfortunate events since they are aware on whats happening in all sorts of things around.

It might not be precisely 100% because theres no such thing about knowing everything on this world but having experience and awareness on various industries or on how things works
or on how the scheme works would really be saving you out once you do encounter it.

Businesses would really be creating such methods or ways just for them to hook out players no matter what kind of way it is.It doesnt matter if it would be deceptive type or being honest
as long they can benefit out then that what matter most.

Casino is a lucrative business and people just like money that could be earned instantly with just a click. Even without the streamer influencers casino will always attract players.  You can see the same names coming up over and over in "ALL BETS". But its all marketing still.

The one strategy that's very much disliked is the kid's logo or cute fluffy mascot which could attract kids to gambling.

Every decision to play the slots is the responsibility of each person himself. Every time you play, at the same time you have to be ready to accept defeat or victory, there is nothing wrong with that. You just need to prepare well, whether you have a strategy to win or not.

Exactly, and if you don't know that advertising isn't an exaggerated or a scripted thing then you are probably a stupid person. I don't see how immoral it is to advertise with scripted events because that's the only way to make it attractive to potential clients, you won't go to a gambling site that advertises with people lossing in their platform no?

This is just another form of promotion and as marketing strategy it has been already pointed out several time and some country/youtuber more impacted.
It's should be declared clearly that there is a "connection" or a "promo" between the two sides like any other advertisement on social network.

Most of users are very expert about casinos and are pretty aware about these fake wins/promo.
The real problem, could arise when promotion will involve a scam casino or any other shady gambling site.

That's what I am trying to say bro, no one is going to tell the truth if it doesn't benefit them the slightest and knows that telling it will be detrimental as to whether they are going to be attractive to clients or employers. I don't get how people aren't getting that this has been the thing in advertising ever since.

The requirement for minimum age exists because so that people have some sense of maturity and understating about value of money and its consequences if they lose it all. So every one need to ensure that they only gamble what they have and how much they can lose if they end up losing it.  So onus lies on individuals in the end.

Majority of them are and that's for sure, Because gambling tend for those who had a Big Brain and not for stupid losers  ;D

if you are Noob and loser then never get involved in gambling or else you will be a loser forever in your life.


And that is Illegal when you use to lure kids , and also will attract negative impact even in the regular gamblers that has children .

Sooner you will understand Mate why this kind of strategy in marketing is in demand now. and why People still attracted to play in those sites even if they already knew about that style.
You only need to be mature and knowledgeable and not just crying like a child in things that you are not really affected.

I don't think that the problem is with promoting any shady sites per se.

Most people who promote gambling sites on Youtube generally do so as an affiliate of some pretty well known sites (Duelbits, Roobet etc. where legitimacy is not really an issue).

What is really important is that they are concealing the fact that they are not playing with their own money, and they are able to pick and choose at what pieces of footage they want to keep (obviously the ones where they win) and which ones to discard.

That's the real danger here.

It's been an ongoing thing. Despite getting called out, those operators are either ignoring or not bother to address the concerns. So far no repercussions as long as players continue to flock to the site.

One of the advertisers here is known to offer the "Howie deal".

I think that OP will have a hard time grasping the truth or OP could be in denial about it since I assume that OP has seen ads on televisions really different in real life.

Expectation vs Reality?

This is mostly true and its up to someone if they could take it or not.When it comes to marketing then these things arent really that new.

It isnt immoral because its clear that most funds been used are sponsored by the house or company.Its part of the strategy or marketing for them to get players.

If you do find it to be immoral then you can choose nor decide for yourself.

Regarding this issue, it is sometimes delicate, in some places but traditional casinos restrict the passage to minors, however they are things that are often negotiated and let them pass, since they are under the guidance of older adults. Whenever there are sites that allow the passage of minors, it is because they have raffles, such as bingo halls, raffles, sometimes sports bets, but above all the ones that are lost the most is when horse races are held, which is very easy to lose the money there.

When a person sits at a slot machine, either in person or online, the person knows that they must first have fun, that they forget that they are out of necessity to win, otherwise the disappointment will be unique. In that case of minors, I do not know how immoral it is that they can play or access games of chance, it is in the latent possibilities, especially in online sites.

I don't see a danger here, tbh. Who in the right mind seeing a video of someone doing an extraordinary thing thinks "Oh, great, I can do the same!"? We all know that winning with very high payouts/multipliers on slots is a very rare thing. If some people have false expectations after seeing those vids, idk, they should go see a doctor, probably.

I think that such YouTube commercials and fake streams are not harmless.  The operation of such advertising methods is more complicated.  Even if a person clearly understands that these are fake videos, the thought still gets into the subconscious, "what if it really works out"?  And this is also an incentive for playing vabank.  So I see the harm from such advertising.  Especially when scam projects do it.
And rightly so, that at least in BTT, OP created a topic to expose such scammers.

This has been the practice by many gambling sites but that doesn't mean that the gambling site is a scam, they employ many strategies and tactics so they can attract new players to their site, you cannot stop them it's up to you if you want to play and you should understand the risk of gambling, do not be a newbie who believes on everything you see online, you cannot be a crusader but you can educate people.

Another thing that happens, are people who are somehow known and are happy with certain bets. Bookmakers take advantage of the fact that this happens to a known person, to advertise.

This happened recently with a Portuguese comedian. Allegedly, he made a combination of bets, and was happy with all of them. Both he and the bookmaker announced this feat.
https://www.ojogo.pt/insolito/noticias/fernando-rocha-apostou-em-cheio-e-lucrou-mais-de-13-mil-euros--13713590.html

Now, do you think, he also didn’t earn extra money from the bookmaker, to announce his victory? Certainly won, but that part of the story is not revealed.
This is actually a simple strategy, if any famous person has a great victory, they advertise it. Giving a bonus for this announcement.

Everyone cant be pleased and there are really people who sees these things to be that a serious matter thats why they saying its an immoral thing but rather a typical marketing stragegy.

If you are person who does know about these scheme or set-up then better avoid that calling it immoral or treating it as a scam because its just part of strategies for them to get players.
Its isnt just right to be called immoral.

There are various ways other than this but these is a bit more in focused due to accessibility and potential users who could watch online.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these streamers and youtubers' statistics will still be in loss on long run even if they are using fake money, unless the house edge is modified in their favor for marketing purposes. In that case it would be a very serious situation. However if they are just being paid to advertise the casino brand, playing by the normal rules, it's normal they aren't going to risk their own money, right? Otherwise it doesn't make sense.
I just think in such situations the streamer/youtuber must state on his video description that it's a paid advertisement video, so the public will be aware the casino is sponsoring the video, consequently it will be a partial video in favor of the house.

If people are still disturbed by this marketing strategy I suggest them to stop listening to youtubers and stick only with the house edge and impartial feedbacks from independent reviews sites when choosing a casino to play.

True, but a $1,000 loss in a session can be just $10 in actual money. It depends on the deal.
If he gets paid $500 in one streaming session, he will still get $500 - $10 = $490 profit.

In other words, the loss is so small that is negligible for his streaming operation.

when you created this thread, are you referring about Nitrogen? because month after here is your post against the said gambling site

i was only confused of your behavior over gambling sites.

You are out of the context by some margin but what is said is right. If you are 18+ and you are gambling then it is your responsibility that you are not influenced by a content creator.

Now coming back to the topic, I am not sure which streamers are doing this but from what I have seen on stake's official stream that is Eddie, he almost all the time loses on slots and if there was a chance that he streams to attract players then he would not show his losses and can replay his wins instead as some third party games allow wins to be replayed.

If stake is sponsoring any streamer you know that is asked to show his wins and hide their losses then you should post more details about it @OP. If there exist such streamers then they must mention that the funds they are using in the video are sponsored by the casino, that's for sure.

i don't know if we completely lost track of the discussions but afaik this is just whether the casinos using the streamers playing for them and then influence anyone watching them. if this marketing strategy is either moral or not it's just marketing. of course they won't show the loss otherwise they couldn't influence users to join and play. whether we can actually weigh which is right or wrong, they will still be doing it anyway because its not illegal in the eyes of the law.

This is how marketing strategies work,  everything can be soooo interesting and also worthy to take when seeing from the advertisement and promotions . They will not care about what they use,  they only want to get more people to use the platforms.

And that is why we are ourselves that must be aware about it,  smart,  and also careful about that kind of promotion.  They will seem so legit. And many people become victims.

All of marketing would be coming in various forms and methods but as long it doesn't really on the way where scamming out people then it should be fine.

Just like what been said that it might be deceptive but no one had been forced out to play and if you do let yourself believe into those then its one's decision not theirs.

If theres someone who should be blamed then its yourself.Be wary on thing around you.

Take it to a complaint thread in the right section or you are just spamming FUD, doesnt mean much sorry.


That'd be fraud, its not that its just allowing for big numbers and higher revenue and sure they can win big on the same chances anyone can or just be seen to be playing alot either way its publicity and works to demonstrate games at the least and  encourages people to join etc.

at first i also felt the same mate when i learn about those site that has this kind of strategy on how to advertise their businesses online but recently ? i come to understand that In gambling it is their (Every gamblers) discretion on how to deal with them.

So lets just be cautious and not let to be a victim of them, instead choose legit site where you can play and enjoy safely.

Are you talking about the popular streamers? Who is doing such kind of promotion?

If someone thinks that they are doing spins with their own money then they are dump people but most people knows that the site itself sponsor the streamers to attract new players but its nit fake money all if them are real and probably fair.

So the decision is on the hand of us whether we want to spin or not, no one is asking us to spin with thousands of dollars?

I would refrain from calling someone "dumb" just because they fall for marketing tricks, you wouldn't believe how often people fall for such tricks and false promises (even on a daily basis) :)

Streamers are currently very much in demand and attract a lot of audience - and therefore have a very high advertising value. For example, look at well-known crypto streamers, they are hyping new coins almost every day. Why do you think that will be? Because they are so convinced of the coins or because they get a lot for promoting them?

Tone Vays posted the following query to him about this not too long ago. Here you can see how much streamers get paid just for saying what the respective client likes:

https://i.postimg.cc/756x8pr6/screenshot-3.png (http://postimg.cc/756x8pr6)

People falling for other's tricks are dump in my opinion or they ignorant about their skills!

There are two type of people we can see everywhere, who want to give the best for the people and make some money from doing it, and some other people who want to do anything to make money so they don't even hesitate to put thousands of people at stake from their consequences, in reality the second type will be here for short time period so we can find who we should follow and who we shouldn't or its better don't follow anyone at all since we all have our own brain so we need to make our own analysis.

Yes, that is right. If we talk about marketing strategies, many ways that they will do and will make nice promotions to attract more people to come and play. It is our responsibility not to get tempted by their strategies and we should think wisely to visit their platform. We can not blame them because they only want to grow their business by attracting more people and if people come to their platform, people need to be aware of the risk because that is our money and we need to take care of the money.

Though we can't deny that it attracts gamblers interest, there are people who wanted to have the same fate.

Not realizing that it's just part of marketing unavoidable to see that there are people who will lose a lot due to blindly follows those

influencers that they are trusting, part of the plan and it's really important to have your own responsibilities before taking your move

into this kind of activities, not all you see from social medias are true most of them are just to allure people, paid streamers who works with the site owners..

Whatever marketing they use Gambling is Gambling nothing certainty in there but its not just about gambling or just about a game they think it in a different way such as opportunity. marketing its marketing as long not against law or ethic it's totally fine. most of the gambling marketing they paid people to play their games and I rare seeing someone gets paid to manipulate the game itself.

It is just there are people who cant really appreciate when they do saw someone which are bit misleading out people but honestly its just obvious that those streamers would really be using
sponsored money rather than on using their own money when playing on a certain site that had been advertised.

When you are already aware then better quiet rather than whining and complaining that it isnt ethical.Its normal that whatever companies running up a business would really be doing

several ways of marketing it might a little bit had some problems but i dont see for it to be a major issue.It is just others people impressions when it comes to this.

Someone who is known among other people and that has influence always gets offers by product providers that aim to make people buy his product through the influencer. And most of the time promoter says he/she does not carry any responsibility and it's just business. It sometimes makes you angry when having a bad experience with a service that someone you knew and considered to be legit promotes in any way. For example, signature campaigns. Do companies/websites/service providers go through forum's manual checks before being eligible to launch a signature campaign and let people with thousands of merit scores start promoting them by wearing their signature? Not. So, just because someone with a social influence "thinks" good about something, you cannot be sure that thing is good.

I am sure every people want to have the same fate, but unfortunately, our fate is different, which will happen too with our luck. We can not expect to have the same thing as the others so we do not have to use the money to just playing gambling.

When people can not think much about the market that they already saw, they will not have responsibilities to themselves instead of losing their money because they only follow what the ads offer. It is better to search for more information about the ads so we can avoid losing money.

It is our responsibility to filter everything we read from social media because the free information on the internet can make much fake information that can make us get in trouble if we can not be wise.

In fact, that's actually what happens. Especially for new and unknown projects, the forum community takes a closer look and scrutinizes the project. In case of the smallest irregularities, threads are immediately opened in "Scam Accusations" and the project has achieved exactly the opposite of what it actually wanted: good publicity through forum advertisements.

actually no one will give consent to scam advertising so basically this wont be allowable here.
Exactly what's the point , You must risk at your own because even the ads is deceptive yet you are the one who will decide what to act.
And if best , stay away from gambling that will save you from everything because there are \other areas were you can enjoy and have fun and not only in gambling.

I cannot read the thing,,, too blurry for my eyes. But if I am not mistaken Tone Vays himself is a big shiller/influencer. You can pay him to say whatever you want him to say. Now he is rich and he is a bit more picky but he deleted also a lot of videos and stuff in the ICO days that he said were good and turned out to be scam.

Old members should remind new players of this manipulation, many gambling sites popular and new gambling sites are using this strategy it's effective for new players but for old players they know it's not possible and only a gimmick to entice new players to bet more and try their luck in hitting the jackpot, they want all the money that you have, to gamble and try your luck and motivate you that you will end up what you are seeing on Youtube.

Unfortunately it works, that is why casinos are doing it so much because it is something that just works marvels. I mean I would definitely not do something like this, no matter how much someone else earns it is never something I would do. I have also seen Hollywood movies where the hero wins tens of millions of dollars, but that is not how casinos work and that is just casinos paying Hollywood to make that kind of movies so that other people could make that kind of profit.

Long story short it is not really something that would be interesting to me because I know the data and the numbers, why would I be fooled by someone else "telling" me or "showing" me when I can just go ahead and see that there is a house edge so it is mathematically impossible for me to keep earning money? I know that and that is why I am not fooled by that, house edge should be thought very carefully.

That's what they'll do if they can review back those projects that they've helped and advertised that paid them much. And today, there's always the disclaimer from these popular influencers.

But if some don't choose to have the disclaimer then probably that's part of the contract that they shouldn't disclose anything related to the deal and to the advertisement that they're going to do with such video when they use the platform and experience to gamble on their own.

This is where you can test a player if he is a new one or an old gambler, old gamblers do not fall into this kind of publicity stunt, they know the truth, they know that this is a promotional stunt to entice gamblers to play all their money, you cannot stop these gambling sites to hire these Youtubers to create videos like this, it's a win-win situation for both of them, but the gamblers end up losing here.

Seems like you're over criticizing that kind of promotions backed up by those casinos.. Yes there are videos that probably are made for "stunts" to just make the viewers believe that this casino is paying even large bets in which, at the end, there will be no cash outs that happened. On the otherhand, there are really players who just make videos just to be their content, sometimes their videos are sponsored tho.

Why will he review the projects he helped when he already knew that from the start.

and also why He cares when he already Earned much from them?

The only answer is? best to choose each site to play and that will save you from being victim by scammers.

You mean that the posted image of me is blurry? If you click on it, the direct link to postimg.cc should open, there you can see the image clean and readable in any case.

But basically you're right: It's about the fact that a DeFi project would have paid a lot of money (500k) for Tone to promote this project among his followers so that they would buy and drive the price up. Tone then posted the request publicly under the title "How DeFi works".

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Do they really do that? I honestly only know it now from Coinbureau, who weeks before he reviews a coin, already announces that but does not give an exact date to avoid short-term pumps by his reviews.

Disclaimers are bullshit,,, they know the effect they have on their fans.

But you know what I say? I say if you believe in influencers making money from you and who care nothing about the real people and what happens to them, then maybe you deserve to get scammed by the people you love to follow.

I see some that do it and that's to protect themselves from bashing and they all say that "we are sponsored by".

Tell it to them not on me.  :P

There were projects that seems to be good at the start not until they reveal themselves as evil when they've much investors already.

Fascinated that much or idolized into a certain extent on where you thinking had been affected or simply your common sense had been badly influenced which would result into those dumb decisions
on following even if its obvious that they are quite deceiving. If you do know this since from the start but you did just ignore just because youre an avid fan or supported
then getting hooked would really be next in line. You would play but ending up on having different results or outcomes. Luck cant really be passed on
and if you do believe about that bullshit then you'll surely whine later on.

gambling is about losing then best to stay away from gambling if you don't wanna lose because ghambling sites will do everything just to lure players and even if they Mislead or fool people at some time.
Even large site or smaller there are some like this happening so lets not be so rattle because in the end of the day? it is our decision that will matters all.

The casino will attract the gambler to come back to their place by giving them interesting offers because they see that way still be the good way to get them back. If you can not control yourself, you will be back to that place without thinking about how much you will lose. Even if the old player always reminds the new player not to play gambling often, that is their decision because that is their money and we do not know what they want to do with their money. Maybe we need to take care of our money while suggesting the new player not playing gambling too often.

Well, if you aren't living in a country that doesn't actively punishes advertisers that deceive the people by making exaggerated product placements on their product/services then you have to just roll with it since they are just doing their job and that's what their school have taught them. I don't find it immoral since everyone has to look good so the first impression is good, I can't blame them for that.

Gambling enthusiast Loves to make stories about gambling even if they are being paid or not, meaning yeah at some point they are being hired but sometimes they do it for their own belief in that specific site.
Like me who will be willing to offer my skills for the site i love most (But of course not to the extent that i will mislead or lie to people) like what I am doing now on my Banner that i am wearing for months now.

I do not really go on social media much because of this, to see how people have almost no common sense,,, you see the worst of people who only give opinions and share bad opinions. Popularity is the only goal,,, nobody really gives a shit about truth or logic. There is little question it is all self serving and narcissistic.

So I still say, if you really do not want to use your brains then maybe you deserve to get scammed my immoral marketing.

If its against your belief, you'll always have your choice to leave and just play online without visiting the live room again.
Its their job and they are being paid for that and seriously, that kind of market works for every casinos since they keep on doing that and they spend a lot of money for that strategy, there's no one to blame because its legal and not immoral for me.

To make it completely not immoral they should be saying, in the beginning, and in the end of their stream, something in the style of a smoking warnings. Or, if their streaming session is a long one, those warnings should be voiced somewhere in the middle too. People should be reminded all the time that mathematically they are more likely to lose than win. (After reading delfastTions's reply to my post and some other posts, I realized that saying it was deceived people's own fault was too harsh).

This is already depending on the management if they would really order the influencer to say up things at first that those are sponsored ones but i doubt that
they would do that because its a bit loss of excitement if viewers does know that theres nothing to lose on the streamer itself when he plays which
means they do expect that he wont really be affected that much because its not his money that being spent.

Now they know but it's been the practice to try to excite people to play the game by showing something like this, you are a gambler you should know that it's a luck-based game and your luck is very much different from other gamblers, and you should know that it's a promotional video and full of gimmickry, even a newbie should know this because it's not only in the gambling site that this marketing strategy is being employed, so get into the reality.

Advertisement is everywhere, and the main reason of advertising is to make those people to buy a product or use the service, so the company will get profits from it that is why they are ready to spend a lot of money on advertisements because they know it is important for a business to grow next level. Lets take all these signature campaigns, these are here to get more customers for them but it doesn't mean they are cheating or doing anything wrong.

Let the loser cry but the mature gambler won't fall from those traps.

We must consider Gambling is one of the most Criminal Loved place in which means all the evil forces are inside to make money , so if you are not ready for this then find place where you can enjoy without risking being fooled or Lured.

Not everyone who is angry are bad and not everyone who is smiling are good, its just the way how they are so we should never consider the gambling is a criminal activity and people who are gambling are criminals.

It's just for everyone, so don't miss the fun out there.

its a fine line in marketing because the goal is to make people join the casino and become a gambler. nothing can be called crime when its not violating a law. its just the ness we see on tv today, the badder and exagerrated the news is, the more it gets interesting fod viewers but in reality its just exagerrated by the tv station kinda marketing.

if you got tempted and signup and then your credit card details are stolen, thats when you can consider there is a crime.

This is just not right. You can say the same to every drug addict. "These drug addicts deserve to be addicted, because they tried it out". Why is this not corrrect? Every person can be a gambler if she or he is in a bad shape for a couple of reasons. This kind of (stupid) marketing cann of course trigger very bad behaviour.

There's only some differentiating thing among the methods that had been used but honestly they are all just the same or share the same goal or target which is to hook up players.

It is just it didnt really passed on some people's standards when it comes to morality on where they do see up these things to be immoral and a bit deceiving and thats why they do mainly react.

Marketing does play an important role on a business success and its no surprise that the will allocated bigger budget for that but doesnt mean that success would be a guaranteed thing.

^ I agree! This approach is somehow unfair. The streamers should know that they have an influence on their viewers and everything that they do is the basis of someone else’s decision. Imagine having that mindset that you are just entertaining people and suddenly someone placed their life savings to the platform and lost? Can your stomach take that? Nevertheless, is guilt present when you realized that you are fooling people in exchange for your own benefit? I don’t think so!

Well, I think the best reaction for this is to raise awareness to the people and the viewers that these players are somehow being sponsored by the gambling platforms to perform such things and to promote the platform. The algorithm is still the same though, I think we should focus on what we are doing and our gambling strategies and don’t mind them. That is the least we can do about it. As long as they don’t hurt us and force us to place bets then I think that’s good for me.

It's good that you posted it here to raise awareness among new gamblers. The truth is that internet is full of fraudsters and scammers trying to gain benefit out of others.
We shouldn't believe everything that we see on the internet. To be honest we can't really do anything about those people but raise general awareness about them on various social platforms and forums.

Its not actually a fraud since they arent really forcing anyone to play on a certain site but somewhat these kind of behavior is really on the deceptive side which lots would really be having the impression that this thing is immoral since this is really misleading or making out those false hope specially to newbies that winning big is possible into this site but if we do really think off that those money being spent or use is being sponsored by the house unless if the influencer would announce that it isnt his money being spent but its unlikely to happen from time to time and rather those influencers would just simply play as if those money are their own.
So its up to someones awareness and a bit of common sense if they would able to find it out even if you are a noob, you can still sense it up.

They are not just players but they are influencers and AFAIK, they're telling that they've been sponsored unless they are really dishonest and don't disclose that they're misleading their viewers.
I agree, just ignore it if you don't like it and inform the community that they're based of what you're noticing if you want to voice out.

we are all in gambling for sole purpose . and that is MONEY.. Only hypocrite will say that they are only playing to make fun because the truth is the winning is what target means.

Yes, I agree with what you are talking about here. It's the same strategy everywhere. I agree that everything should be transparent and the genuine users should be making their own statements and sharing their own experiences rather than these performers (or should I say actors). Experience sharing shoudl be genunies rather than faking it.

You shouldnt bumped an old thread yet this is against on forum rules on which means you should avoid it up on the future to avoid some possible problems to be faced on.

On topic reply on where these strategies are really common.Sounds non ethical right? Doesnt really matter much because they dont really care at all.

As long they could make out some money or income which they wont believe into those sayings or criticisms or comments externally.

Now there is a situation where fake people are becoming more and more prevalent, as a result of which people are believing in fake things and joining various fake companies. There are a lot of companies that spend a lot of money on marketing but do not pay any attention to improving their services, which is risky for the common people.
In order to earn money, people promote companies that can be dangerous for others and they can lose their money there.

While there should be no doubt that many streamers out there are fake and given casino account balances that have not been paid for at all. It's worth a reminder that lots of (at least the ones not provably fair, usually fiat currency) of casinos will rig the games depending on the historical user deposits and remaining funds. These casinos want to keep players engrossed as long as possible, they want players to chase the few large wins while ignoring the many small losses. Just like real world casinos which are psychologically geared towards creating habits and confusing gamblers, these online sites can be even more devious when it comes to squeezing money out of players and will run all sorts of algorithms to maximize the amount you spend with them.

Casino streamers should be treated with caution anyway. Because as you say, it's ADVERTISING THE CASINO!
And advertising is essential for such a company.
However, everyone should be aware that advertising should not always be taken 100% seriously.

Personally, I don't watch casino streams, if only because there's too much screaming going on. And that's without exception in every stream, regardless of the streamer.

And whoever gets triggered by something like that obviously has a problem with gambling, I think...

They wouldnt care if it means on earning money, they wouldnt really mind off if they would be putting other people in trouble of losing money or in addiction as long they do make out money or salary for said promotion or advertising then that what matter most to them.

Agree on that part on where fake people becoming more prevalent and this is why as a newbie or zero knowledge on something kind of person
then its not really bad to make use of your common sense and made out some little bit research.

I guess, everyone knows already the job of these streamers, to attract more players on the site they are being paid to advertised. So if you know they are being paid, why should you believe what they are endorsing? Fake winnings and all. No one is obliging you to play on their site, they are only banking for gullible users who will be deceived by their misleading fake winnings. So in the end, it is up to the user if he will be attracted by seemingly too-good-to-be-true winnings.

The end point here always matter on what people preferred on why they play on gambling sites since if they are there since they are been hype for  the winnings shown by those streamers then for sure they cannot get a good scenario while playing on the hype site they are on. But if they seek for fun and just there for just interaction only then provably they will not get hurt for situation on it. To good to be true profit show is not true so people should always think about that.

Lol this is gambling industry and everything that will favor a site and they may implement even if this is  a luring with immoral strategy.

You should know that because there are tons of gambling site here that has the same doing.

I am not in favor of what is going on but let us accept the fact that this is a gambling area in which bad action is more than a good one.

if we don't wanna deal with it then best to deny playing .

and besides they are not forcing everyone to bet on the specific sites so still it is your prerogative where and when to bet.

When you think about it, gambling itself isn't the most moral around so luring people like that ~while it is indeed dishonest~ is not the most harmful thing in the world. This is like having a cafe with customers made of cardboard. As long as the people you lured in don't understand the difference, you are all good. If they realize that you tricked them though, they will probably won't visit your store again. In this situation you got 2 choices:

1- Stop cheating
2- Use better cheats

The problem is many people out there still want that too good to be true can come to them but in their hearts, they really know that things were not there.
That streamer is smart to influence their audience and know how to convince them to follow what they say in their video so that makes us think twice, especially if we know that what they say is not always right.
It is difficult to stop them because if we report one of them, the other will come up with different material but have the same point.
If that audience can become wiser about what they watch and not just be attracted because of that video, they will not get the worst thing.

You have said something very true and that many people do not see it or perhaps do not want to see it, and that is that the good thing is not much, that applies to everything, in fact some of that applies to what is currently happening to the NFT games, and particularly with regard to streamers everything works if they are paid well, they are able to sell smoke, however there are some who take the trouble to investigate what the project is about in order to promote it and accept the money.

What's the OP is babbling about? Haven't you heard of anything called promotion or advertisement? That's not an immoral marketing it was designed to attract players but it doesn't mean that it's impossible that it will happen. Anyway most of the gambling sites casino bets can be verified and you shouldn't worry about, I'm not sure why you are frustrated about this probably you just lose a lot of money after watching a gambling stream and tried to win too like what you have watched.

If you see that they can lose 80-90% of their bankroll, which is thousands of dollars, you should stop and think what bankroll can you afford. So, it can be concluded that in case your bankroll can be only hundreds of dollars, you can easily lose all of it. I personally think that it's not an "immoral marketing strategy", rather it's our wrong conclusions from what we see is what makes us victims.

Gambling is unexpected luck that come from nowhere, you are right because no insurance or statistics that discuss and speak that when you bet in a larger form the case and opportunity of you winning is there.

well it is known to most people that the youtube guys are selling forex and trading courses, but they are not rich people, and few people ask: why are they selling courses instead of enjoying forex earnings? the answer of course is because they don't earn anything with forex and for that reason they create courses to be earning money.

by that I mean the following:

people shouldn't be following in the footsteps of these streamers guys, people need to study their own strategies and bankroll management. It is illusory to think that someone would take a lot of money and be betting, betting, betting and then winning a lot of money to the point of making profits and then continuing with the same process being that person is a streamers, if he is a streamers he makes streamers to win money, he knows how hard it is to have money, he wouldn't make dangerous bets and people should think about that instead of copying streamers

Many years ago I also tried to make money on Forex, but even then trading with the help of bots developed so much that it was almost impossible.  
But of course there were always such "teachers" who taught how to place bets correctly.  They introduced themselves as specialists from serious brokerage firms.  And pretty quickly I realized that they were just making money by retelling some of the rules and basics of trading.  And that's all.  
They themselves never play forex because they know they will lose.  But their ad is also very similar to the one the OP wrote.  And I think that this method of advertising is of course immoral, but everyone has long been accustomed to it and is condescending.  The one who is smarter, of course, does not take seriously the happy faces who won the "artists", but probably there are also such naive people who take it for the truth.  And advertising acts on them.

What you say makes a lot of sense and the same could be said about streamers from gambling industry. Gamblers who make a living from this activity don't need to share their life following the vlog methodology with the public. Actually, people who earn and deal with big money need to be careful and discreet all the time for their own safety and for the success of their businesses. As the saying goes: the secret is the key to the business.

There is no problem with content creators trying to make some money through views or partneships with casinos, but it should be a must to let it very clear to the audience, so everyone knows what is going on and what are the real intentions of the respective video in exhibition. When nobody feels like being lured or tricked, the marketing campaign works much more efficiently on long run.

If it wasnt working on the first  place then we wont really be seeing it to be used in todays era or situation which we are seeing the opposite.When it comes to marketing then these would be the primary mediums on where companies would allocate some budget on because we are on a digital era
which its sensible for them to have on this method.

It isnt just that ethical if they would really be making those decieving kind of advertisement because they would know that it will really backfire on them.

As for advertisers or influencers had made out their own personal choice on altering something then thats a personal problem of course.

I don't know if this kind of deceiving marketing is really working, because what I most see are lots of criticisms regards them in different threads on this forum and on the internet in general, including the ban imposed by Twitch inside their platform towards gambling content after a massive number of complaints about the mentioned marketing strategy reached to Twitch's managers.

I believe such strategies may work with newbies and naive gamblers, but once these people realize the real nature of the marketing, they will most likely disgust it, and it's not interesting for any casinos to disappoint experienced/veteran gamblers, because these are the ones who most spend money on their platforms.

Lol, you mean gambling with Russian roulette?

I'm not in favor of it but if people are going to do that then they'll put all their life's earnings on the table when on 1v1 with another, the winner gets to live and take the money of the other.

In any case, it's immoral and should be prohibited.

It's really pointless watching any streamer that is playing any unskilled games like these. It's one thing watching absolute geniuses playing poker or chess, it's another thing altogether watching someone repeatedly click the same button in order for some sparkly graphics. It's possibly the laziest form of "gaming" in existence and you're definitely right that in most cases all of these streamers will be playing an unfairly rigged version of the game, or simply using money credited to their account so they don't actually lose any money. When it involves making (or as is mostly the case, losing) money then you need to be as skeptical as possible that someone will try to take advantage of you and use all sorts of advertising trickery.

Russian roulette is a rather extreme example. In any case, I also think it should be prohibited. .. Of course I know you write about fake streams. ;)

I am surprised that the websites allow this type of practice. Nevertheless, in my opinion it should simply be prohibited by law and everything will be clear.

You know that you cant please everybody which it is already expected that there would be still people who would really get interested with these sparkly image on just simply pushing off a button thats why it does still works because t here are still someone who do really believes on that one.

Which is why we should really make use of our common sense whenever we do see these kind of streamers which i dont really see or find interesting on this part.

So it is precisely such novice players and simply naive people that this advertisement is designed for.  These are the players who bring the most profit, since they almost always lose. 
Look, for example, how many naive teenagers there are in the world who have just seen such an advertisement, and their age already allows them to gamble themselves.  It is on such that these are designed, as the OP correctly notes, immoral ways of advertising.

I also think that age in this case is the most important. After all, someone who has no experience and will see how "easy" it is to win money, the first thing they do is just register and deposit, and then of course a loss.
I think that this type of advertising should only be shown to registered users and within the allowed age.

I think that's cool, but for me it's non of the op business. Everyone chooses what they want and which direction they want to go in as much as no body force them. We all need to understand that the internet especially the social media is full of lies and untrue stories , so whosoever becomes brainwashed from what they see on the internet so there own problem. We need to be guided although and I'm not in any way supporting the act of fluencing people mindset I'm a dishonest manner.

They are mostly the victims of this kind of advertisement.

the sole target of marketing, those kinds of people who are unaware of those stuff are the one that bring decent profits inside the house,
it's designed to bring people's interest hoping to do the same.

Without proper knowledge of what they are dealing with, they will lose money and continue repeating the same thing.

After reading the entire discussion (which popped out of nowhere after a long time), I decided to join the discussion again. The problem precisely is about the structures or moral values which are permitted through blind greed.
''Squid games are not immoral if everything is fair inside the system.'' This is exactly what blind greedy capitalism wants to promote. The question is not about it is fair or not, It is about the morality of it and what kind of patterns of behavior it can give rise to?
Blaming an individual's due diligence is cover under which multi-million dollar unregulated, greed-oriented casinos can go off propagating such moral codes.

For people who do get such experience then they would be aware on next time which simply means that they wouldnt really make themselves to be fooled again with those kind of advertisement since they do have the experience on the first hand.

This is  the time you would be telling things to people since you are aware and this is what we are saying now specially into those noobs.

Honestly, our own self will would be enough on minding us that there are things which isnt right or something deceptive.

So it's almost a real-time war between big casino brands. Most are trying to capture that new gambler market, and try to be the one who will produce the most money for casinos. I'm not a big fan of fake youtube streamers and I don't follow them, but I'm guessing many new players do. In fact, I think a significant part of the interaction between newbies and casino games is via these youtube streamers. I feel this marketing strategy is making it's way into gaming promotions, and we will continue to see casino brands try to attract newbies in this way.

Just because it has always happened doesn't mean that it needs to continue, nor does it mean that it is acceptable.

I just think that it is completely ridiculous that one is able to have the full faith and backing of the casino while acting like as if they are actually playing with their own money to give the appearance that making money is easy on a certain site.

The dramatic edits certainly don't help their cause either.

I agree, a lot of these so-called influencers do this kind of fake marketing and it should be punished by law, in my opinion. It would seem to me that these kind of people have learned a trick or two from the "day-trading" influencers who "teach" people how to do technical analysis and how to make daily profits by selling them a course they have to pay a fee for.

We really need laws so people won't do this crap.

That is why I think it's a dumb marketing strategy. People who get fooled won't quit gambling for that reason, they will just quit the streamers channels and platforms which fooled them through a deceiving marketing approach and use their money to bet in another casinos which they consider more transparent. Maybe on short run it's not a visible fact, but on long run it will be, because the marketing will start becoming saturated and its bad reputation will reach even the newbiest gamblers in the industry, just like streets scams aren't so popular nowadays because everyone is so aware about them.

I strongly believe that "day-trading" influencers has a very good relevance about these paid streamers on casino. The two are different matters. 
I also initially know that these streamers are paid by the casino to advertise the casino (of course) however they do not force people to play, in the end it's ourselves to decide whether we play or not to play to that casino that is being advertised.

It is mostly the newbies in gambling that falls for the trap of listening to fake youtube influencers who are just after the money they will get in promoting gambling site, even with the game mindset. I think it is very important for newbies to look at what they want and where they can get good direction to what they want.

it is not new , since the world of Internet covered the whole advertising community things like this pop up and now dominates the whole system,they are fooling people from fake and not so true advertising just to lure them believing what is a Lie than reality.
but this does not mean that the site they are promoting is totally scam or not legit because we have known the involved site for long and they are truthful to the players and there are no big issues arise against them for thos years.

The issue isn't in them promoting a certain site or certain activities. The issue is that they lie about the methods of making money because it makes their promotion look better. Some even rent lambos or make fake luxury posts on social media sites. The idea is to make their viewers think that their fake methods work and it made them rich. This is never true and is always a lie. Thats the problem.

streamers are not only paid by casinos to advertise their platforms but also exchanges and crypto projects.all these influencers make a lots of money by advertising and promoting casinos to people that watch their video. It is only newbies and people who do not how it works, that will fall for such cheap approach. I don't allow things like this move me. Always alert!

Whether an advertisement is working or not is hard to say, especially when you advertise in many places simultaneously. Big companies, slot providers in this case, normally spend as much as they can and more on advertisement, not because they want to expand, and make even more money, but because they want to stay afloat. "If you don't grow, you die", this kind of thing. So they pay big money to popular internet people to stream playing on their slots.


I've seen a lot of such streams, and I don't think they are altering anything there. What they are doing is showing "the most interesting moments", and of course it's about big wins. No one wants to see someone losing constantly. It's boring.

From an ethical standpoint it's not wrong as long as they are not saying something like "You are guaranteed to win big money(or any money) on this slot!". But if they are just showing lucky moments, you have to be a fool to think that there are no others.

You cannot use the word guaranteed to win, once you said that while advertising a casino, you lose your reputation and you're just fooling around, the TOS of all casinos clearly stated that there's no guaranty in gambling and you should only play what you can afford to lose, they can shill coin as long as at the end of the advertisement they will issue a warning on the reality of gambling.

I didn't know that there is something like that happening in gambling(I mean streaming gambling).
We don't really know if it is scripted or what but they are also playing just like us and it is a gamble or game of chance so they might just hit it at some point.
Just remember that even if they could win huge profit in gambling not everyone could do it,
Just because it seems easy when they do it doesn't mean that it is really easy to do.

Each gambling sites has their own strategy no matter how bad or good it is as long as they attract more players. Fake advertisements are everywhere because honestly, they wouldn't create ads that will discourage their players. Lots of streamers are also taking advantage of this opportunity and what we just need to do is just to be skeptical and be wise in choosing a good site and game.

turn around you , check all the sites that operates online and you will find that more than half of them are having this kind of strategy in their own ways , they might not looks like immoral but if you dig deeper then you'll find their Immorality .

This is common now mate , just be careful in your playing and in your choosing of site, if you are not comfortable then move on to other site, easy as that.

Everyone knows that the people are paid actors and at the same time wagering does not give you a 100% profit and therefore even if you do find these advertising copious even then you can't do anything about it since it's your decision that counts. Even if you are winning in streaks, you can choose to stop and encash in some games. I did find that hard to do but you might end up with profits and you can continue playing with the initial investment as well. Sites that are operating online, the online gambling casinos generally has a whole section where you can check their games if they are fair or not which does help some players to trust them as well. As for me I go for trusted casinos and I don't let me get into the whole web where you loose continuously hoping to win. It's all about you ! 

Here you touch on a very important point, I have noticed by following some YouTubers who do what you say, and the worst thing is that they give investment advice in a project that soon becomes scam, then they compromise their reputation which is very difficult to get for money because they offer you some who are in charge of projects of this style, this is sad because they can make you lose money and at the same time you lose a possible influencer.

In these cases, it is very common to see them on YouTube and on twitch and what they achieve is that they lose all kinds of trust.

Well its quite common now, not all you see is true. Thats why if you gamble dont have high expectation that you'll also win big just like what you see in their advertisement. Use your common sense because its gambling and losing your money is always present and often inevitable. Thus ask yourself many times if you can bear losing your money before playing since you cant turn back time once you lose it.

Negative side for influencers who engage in a company that also deceives them. They both ruin thier reputation for deceiving people to invest in them, the influencer doesn't deserve to be an influencer for not investigating much of the project or casino they tried promoting, and maybe the influencer only cares for the fees he gets from the sponsors he has.

We have seen lots of immoral marketing in crypto but if these companies find it effective in making money, they will continue to do it. Since they can always recreate sham casinos over and over.

Well now that this strategy had already exposed ? yes Only newbies and Greed people comes to listen and believe in such way.
they don't even try to go deeper or check the videos if legit or faked.
but with us all sharing our ideas and experiences ? more crypto players now are aware of fake reviews and fake videos that they are being prevented in playing or dealing in those sites.
but not because there are fake videos meaning the sites are fake or scam because most of the legit site has this kind of advertising .

Casino is a lucrative business and people just like money that could be earned instantly with just a click. Even without the streamer influencers casino will always attract players.  You can see the same names coming up over and over in "ALL BETS". But its all marketing still.

The one strategy that's very much disliked is the kid's logo or cute fluffy mascot which could attract kids to gambling.

You have a very good point here. Influencers being bluntly paid actors that advertises casinos and encouraging gambling at its finest is one thing, but using elements that could impact the minors and innocents is another level. But then how can we do something that would restrict companies and influencers from using such, because we all know that for as long as its effective and they are gains on it, they will continue to do so. Maybe we could try calling out those influencers and casinos, collectively, to get their attention and also bring public’s eyes onto them and their actions.

Lot's of people find gambling itself immoral but people gamble anyway.

If you think showing fake high stake players is unethical, then most people that gamble are also being tricked because most of them think gambling as a job. The players should lose in the long run because that's the only way for the casino/house to keep doing their business.

The important point is that basically everyone's thinking is different depending on the perspective they experience.

like you said that if you say a lot of people think gambling is something despicable so it's not a good thing to do.
but for others gambling is a blessing because they can make unexpected profits by selling their luck.
actually this depends on each person who judges. something that is good in our eyes is not necessarily good in the eyes of others

People will try anything, no matter how ridiculous it may seem. There are always a few people who fall for these scams.

In the end, the only way to truly prevent these from happening is not by censoring, because in the end this is a democratic, open world but by raising awareness so that people can educate themselves, even if they're new comers or simply want to get involved etc

So, as long as nobody is forcing anyone it is a free, open and democratic choice that each of us has. We each can decide to either support this or not...

It wont be done if there would be no people would fall out with these obvious and cheap tricks and this isnt something new but since people do have their own will on making out outright decisions then its their fault if they do let their greed and dumbness controls them.

It wont really be that rampant if there would be no people who would really fall for these deceptive kind of act but as a person who does have common
sense then you would able to find it out.

In the vast majority of videos about big wins on slots there are no warnings, and that's what OP is trying to say. Should there be warnings similar to anti-tobacco health warnings in some countries where they are mandatory when tobacco products displayed in films or TV programs? Maybe. But different countries have different laws, and it will take forever before it will be implemented everywhere. The good news is that most people don't need any warnings, they know that big wins are rare, and if it happened to someone on YouTube, it doesn't mean it will necessarily happen to you.

We all know that gambling platforms needs money to carter for their marketing bills and pay their workers which is the same way gamblers are also looking for money to pay their bills and carter for their liabilities. Everybody is looking for more money which we'll know is normal and the question here is, who is going to bring the Money? Where is the money coming from? From you and me...doing bet loses.

Okay so it's democratic and they have the right to do so even doing the immoral marketing stuff. The internet users will just not care about it until the casino had scammed and got some bad reviews already which the warnings will be to avoid them.

But I think it's actually a good sign that the casino has no care for its clients which will one day do scam stuff because from the beginning they are already doing immoral marketing.

Each gambling sites has their own strategy no matter how bad or good it is as long as they attract more players. Fake advertisements are everywhere because honestly, they wouldn't create ads that will discourage their players. Lots of streamers are also taking advantage of this opportunity and what we just need to do is just to be skeptical and be wise in choosing a good site and game.

This is a marketing system, it a strategy for advertising  and there is nothing bad about it . You can't stop people  from it, people will decide where to go or where they will put there money on. So just chill, it's a marketing strategy.

No matter what marketing strategy the casino will use, people need to know where they should play gambling and not just try to register and deposit their money. When people can be careful to select the right casino, I am sure they will not get in the trap from the casino and get the fun they want. But unfortunately, many people do not become aware of what other people say and try to play on any casino without research. That makes them get a scam from the casino and they can only complain.

Unfortunaley this is still very common today. Streamers seem to abuse the fact that they seem much more approachable than the average TV program. During breaks we instantly know when advertisings are running and when they stop. During streams it's not so easy to see, there might be a small symbol appearing in the corner of the stream, but it's not always clear. Streamers don't really need to state when they are paid to show casino games. That's why we as gamblers should be very careful on believing what we see online. Most of the big winnings are rigged and not really fair. When it comes to Youtube and streaming we should have the same critical thinking as when watching ads on TV.

But what is the reason for giving such casino bad reviews? Firstly, we can't know for sure whether casino is paying to video blogger, or he's just showing his big wins to attract more viewers to his channel. Secondly, unless it's original casino's slots, which is rare, casino has no control over them, and by itself it can't make you lose(or win). Even slot providers can't do that without breaking the law. So I don't think anyone, except video streamers, should be getting bad reviews in this case.

F*ckin hell, this debate is still going :D
Beautiful girls advertising/endorsing beauty products is also immoral since they are beautiful since birth and not because of the products.
Nothing 100% honest in the advertisement, and everyone knows streamer is just an entertainer, not a pro gambler.
There is a line in which we can or cannot act since it's in the grey area. Altcoin shill, NFT shill, Play2Earn shill, sponsored slot streamer, even Bitcoin shill is in the same category. I don't encourage the practice, but it's just how the world works.

This kind of strategy has been used not just in gambling but to other platforms too. Using such strategy is to promote their own gambling sites or whatever it is as long as their plan is to gather more people to try it. It is up to the person if he/she will gamble or not unless he/she is forced to gamble also no one is forced to gamble your money.

If in fact many youtubers at the moment are having a very large loss of followers, because at first one called kmanu highlighted a lot the fact of supporting an NFT game called Plan vs Undead, and so far the game has turned out to be very bad , from a price of 14USD is for 0.14USD recovering very little, and he was one of those who recommended to buy to obtain profit in the farm 3.0 and now it has been pure losses, which makes people not believe in him and there are many subscribers upset because they have lost almost all investment.

In some cases the streamers were paid by the respective gambling platform. This is a wrong way of promoting the platform, because the streamer isn't risking anything. He's just playing on the gambling site for fun, whether he wins or losses doesn't affect him. He'll be paid. If a streamer is doing on his own learning the we can't comment on it. Because, it is his money and his wish to wager with big funds.

There is a difference between advertising beauty products and gambling on slots because it is very unlikely someone spending all money they have on beauty products, while with gambling, as we all know, it's possible.  That's why many people, including OP here, think that "this need to be stopped", with which I disagree. Advertisement makes the world rolling, and, as you rightly said, "it's just how the world works". To not be among the few affected by it in a bad way, we should educate ourselves all the time, and this thread is one of those places where you can get useful information.

In short, to not be a victim of the ads, but to benefit from them(and some of them are really fun to watch), educate yourself and enjoy. :)

All governments in different countries regulate advertising bans differently.  In some countries, for example, you cannot advertise alcoholic beverages, and beer is allowed only at night.  It is definitely impossible to advertise only narcotic drugs in all countries.  However, medicines can be advertised publicly through the media in some underdeveloped countries.  And at the same time they formally write - see a doctor!  :)
As for advertising of gambling, the picture here is ambiguous.  Therefore, it will not work to prohibit these advertisements.  
To be honest, I haven't received any valuable information from viewing ads for a long time.  And just try not to watch or listen to anything like that.  Unfortunately, this is almost impossible.  For example, when you watch YouTube without a paid subscription.  So this is just horror as boring.

They are not forcing you to gamble anyway so there’s no immoral on that and that’s a legal way to market their casinos services so I don’t see any problem here at all aside from the different perspective of the gambler. If those marketing strategy is not good for you, then better to leave and go gamble anywhere.

A marketing strategy and you are okay with it?  What of if you end up being scammed or moreover, you lost your fund through this kind of marketing strategy due to your weakness and ignorance to do thorough research before jumping on the hyped information. We all need to be guided to avoid later regret which is the reason why the internet is there to make thorough research.

We have our free will to pursue or not when we see this type of marketing. Anyone can agree to you and as well as not. But if you're the one who has seen it and you're not okay with it, you don't have to actually follow what their ad says. And if you're okay with it, you can also do the same of just ignoring it. You won't lose your fund until you deposit so if you won't do any action of depositing, you're good and just keep your money.

We must have a responsibility to ourselves, especially if that is related to the money we have and not just use it for playing gambling because we see the promotions from the gambling website or other websites. It is all about controlling yourself while you see the ads and if you do not get any effect, you will not use your money to gamble. But I admit that many people are attracted to the site that offers many big things because it is human nature that will tempt them to get something they are not yet had.

Then that's you being idk, what might be a better term to use other than dumb? In the first place, a scam and a legitimate business are two different things, it's just that it's up to you to differentiate between the two. Now, as for losing money through these kinds of marketing strategies, well that's the point see. Marketing strategies are there to make you spend money, to make you their customer so that you can spend money for them to earn, easy as that. Now if you're complaining about that, idk man, it's mostly your fault ngl. It's pretty dumb to blame an advertisement for YOUR decision. Your the one making the decisions for your life, not the strategy.

Well said. I think that one way or the other, business are somehow giving public information that are not 100% true about their products and services, just to entice the masses. Now, being the audience, we have every sense and privilege to check the advertisements and information we see and receive from them. We have every right to research, criticize, discern and reject such if we don’t want it or something is off.

So you are suggesting that it is completely okay to mislead players?

Please. It's not like this is something that is just normal marketing.

There is significant deception when it comes to giving streamers money and getting them as much as they need in order for them to paint a glorified picture of winnings.

We are going to the age of aggressive marketing actually and although we could just say its marketing strategy, being responsible for the result of it should be considered since we don't know who will see the casinos' marketing videos on youtube. There could be kids who don't really have money of thier own and are still dependent on their parents. If the marketing gives false hope for these kids,  they may spend their money, with so little they have, on gambling.

^ These are very common marketing strategies and there are few gambling casinos here doing the same like this, hiring a streamer to upload or to have live video on Youtube with sponsor money whether it is from their own pocket or from the casino itself. In this case, we should guide our children on watching youtube videos, it should not be related to gambling because once they become curious about it this will lead them to gambling addiction.
At least we know and we are aware of it so that it can be avoided, sooner or later those streamers nobody will watch because we know that everything they broadcast is fake.

You are right. Actually it's the same with every other thing on the internet whether it be porn, drugs or gambling.
Being the parent of a child it's their responsibility to keep an eye on what their child is doing and if the child does goes in the wrong direction then the parent has to guide him the right way.
Although marketing in this way is wrong it still doesn't force anybody to start gambling.
Getting attracted to those rewards is kind of obvious but at the end with proper parenting a child won't fall prey for such strategies so easily.

If you're a long time player or into gambling for a long time it will not have an impact on you, some casinos can use deceptive advertisement or marketing but it will not have an effect on you because you already know how the industry works, some casinos are using deceptive marketing because they want to be competitive and want to have large shares of the market, so they will employ any marketing just to entice people to play in their casino.

Deceptive type indeed and if you are someone who are just new into gambling field or doesn't really have much experience then you would really be having a big problem on getting rid of it or does
have the emotions or impressions on what you would gonna do.

Gambling companies would normally be giving out those kind of marketing strategy as long they could able to hook up players then that what matter the most
no matter if they have crossed the border line of being non ethical on general sense but well theres no one to be blame on but only yourself
since you haven't been forced to play on the first place.

As to your first comment, it ties in with the infamous "sex sells" advertising idea but that doesn't make it immoral. The only wider and long term solution to defeat this sort of advertising campaign is much more critical thinking being taught in schools from an early age. People need to be able to identify and distinguish the purpose behind what they're seeing. Outside of television shows or movies, almost everything is being driven by money in the form of a product or service. Having a good understanding of finances and trying to avoid a consumerist driven lifestyle can also limit the influence of this type of advertising, because it is often aiming to target the most impulsive viewers.

Promotion is one way for a site or company to introduce their products to many people, and in this case streamers have an important role in doing so, not infrequently many sites actually put morality aside just to advance their company or site, for example, such gambling sites that often use beautiful and sexy women as streamers, many casinos that make sexy women an attraction for consumers to join or gamble on their sites so far, but in this case the decision to play or not necessarily depends on our own decisions, so far many gamblers who get caught up in scams just because they believe in what they are advertising all along with the attractiveness of a woman, if logically we think, aren't we looking for really trusted casinos and not looking for women to date, then why should we join casinos just because they showing isn't it a woman?

We can do with everything that we want if it's regarded to the money that we own. We can gamble if want to. But we can also avoid and ignore it as the usual thing that happens.
Those that have been attracted to offers, that's the goal of those ads and if you're not attracted to it, then that's it. And, you just can't stop the others from being attracted to it. We have the situations that make us attracted and not. They're marketing and that's the main purpose of those ads and if it's coming from an influencer that you like or not, you also have the free will to avoid or not.

Common sense is the real deal but other people do really make things tolerable on where they do let their greed control or overcome them which would really result into messing up your finances because you do gamble

out and had been fooled on playing for long time and believing that you could make profits just like on what that influencer did or able to attain.When it comes to fairness then i wont really be having no complaints
into those sites which are fair and reputable or known ones.

Marketing is part and even if its on deceptive part then you should know on how to make out decisions according to that.

Yes, we can not stop the others but we can stop ourselves from the attraction. Hopefully, we will not spend too much money on playing gambling because we have another thing that we need to fill. So that depends on how we act with the offers or the promotions that we see in many places. If we can hold and not tempt playing gambling, we will not go to that place instead just use our time to the other things. So we can say that they can create any ads they want and use many ways to attract people but we need always to be careful and take care of our money.

You need to always keep your guard up, influencer are there to promote sites and how they were doing it is their strategy.

if you failed to work things the right way, expect the outcome will heat negatively, but if you
make it the right way. The chance of enjoying and taking some decent amount are there waiting for you.

It's needed to separate your greed from yourself when playing inside the gambling house, emotionless
gambling practices may give you some room to breathe..

Yes, it should start from us and there's no complaint that shall be put upon when the result manifested on you. You're aware of yourself and with these ads.
The money you'll be spending is yours and much better that it is really yours and not from a loan or borrowed from someone you know.

Self awareness should be enough but there are people who do let these things to let it pass and tend to believe that it could be possibly done by them which would triggers out your greediness inside.
Marketing could really be deceptive one or would really be that tempting or as attractive as it could be since the primary motive would always be hooking up players as much as they can or could.
Doesnt really matter if it turns out to be that immoral on others eyes or not as long they could benefit out then that what surely counts.

You are very right about that. What's the purpose of going to casino? It is not about looking for someone to hook up. So one should not distracted by this kind of promotion of the casino via attractive streamers or endorsers. You should look what's in store for you as a player. Check their provable fairness, or if there's any negative feedback towards them. Because at the end of the day, it is the decision of the player to play on the site. You all have the privilege to choose where you want to spend your money.

whatever marketing trick the gambling platform uses doesn't matter because it's not illegal, but what we need to pay attention to is that it's just a marketing trick, there are no real wins, they are paid by the owner of the gambling site they endorse. it was once revealed that someone was given a virtual balance by a gambling site (their marketing team) and was assigned to make a live video of how he made big and fast money on that gambling site.

Well, that is true. But the first thing the casino wants is to attract visitors to their platform. The company believes that "attractive streamers or endorsers" are the "first step" to attracting visitors who are likely to spend more in their casino. This is an active strategy, and we can see its effects throughout the entire casino ecosystem. As digital influencers try to get more subscribers, the big casinos have all rushed to get an influencer as a paid partner. While influencer marketing is still relatively new, it's a fast-growing field.

I think we can give an example to them by having awareness and not putting ourselves into trouble so they will look at how we can handle the promotion with good. We can do that and they can also do that. It is about how you can have an effort to handle your mind when you see something about promotions. We can not stop but we can give them suggestions and decide by ourselves.

They really need to come up with an effective strategy in order to attract the gamblers to play on their site. In some way, its true that you can win big if you gamble but its not going to be easy and will only happen if we're lucky. So if you can be easily convince by these streamers then you might really end up to gamble on that particular site without even thinking of the possible consequences.

Yeah, but OP is talking about another kind of advertisement, videos that for some people don't look like ads at all. Video bloggers just showing their slot sessions when they win big money occasionally. I personally like to watch such vids(except their screaming, especially of the older guys, it's repelling. I mean, a young woman squealing with excitement is one thing, but an older guy, well...). As people are saying in this thread, you just shouldn't think that what happened to them should necessarily happen to you.

You are really on point. I don't think there is anything bad when it comes to shilling for a few dollars. Maybe we don't know that the signature campaigns we are in and the avatar is part of shilling and influencing projects and site to new people that doesn't know about it. Every we are doing is advertisement and we shouldn't ignore the fact that influencers are doing the same thing here.

Exactly, now you know that you are shilling with your signature even you know that you have been tagged on that campaign and even you know that there's an unsolved issue on that casino but yet, you are still wearing the signature just because of the dollar. In the same situation as that, there's no really good and honest when it comes to this marketing strategy but if we expand our knowledge and skills on how to determine right and wrong, there could be a chance that you will be safe from those threats because you already know the fact and the consequences.

That's right, only luck makes us win especially when playing slots and even worse, that streamers seem to know that today when they are live they will win big. Their scenario looks very original, newbies who are curious about what they see will definitely be intrigued and end up playing on the gambling site without thinking anything else, all they think about is the same winning result as the streamers.

You don't seem to understand what is actually immoral about this type of behavior.  It sounds like you're suggesting that these are faked streams from users who have some sort of nefarious intent to trick users.  That isn't really what's happening at all.  The immoral part of these types of streams is that the streamer isn't using their own money.  They are given money in their account for free to gamble with.  Viewers think the streamer would risk their own money, when in reality they never would.  The wins you see are real though.  The only thing that is fake is that they have nothing on the line if they lose.

I don't know how you get the Idea that I don't understand the perspective of morality which you mentioned. In fact that is the very spirit of my argument ( They are not using their own money and by performance giving us impression).
Since you are a learned and wise member perhaps I did not understand your perspective, if that is case please elaborate.

Just be good to yourself and avoid it as much as you can for them to see how you're enduring and avoiding it. And if the other gamblers do what you've done, you've became an example already to them.
But if not and they still have fallen, it's no longer your problem just save yourself from it.

Speaking of reality then majority of us wouldnt mind on others situation or would tend to be saving up their asses for our ownselves and wont mind into those who doesnt bother on making use of their

common sense.Of course we do have that own self will on making out decisions but there are people who do really decide up without even thinking about those probabilities which do really

end up on a disaster or some headache.When it comes to marketing and on being immoral or something not ethical then its a business and deception would be always a part of it.

Hopefully, that can make them realize that they can do what we did so they do not have to get in too deep in the gambling industry. They need to prevent themselves from the addiction because once they are addicted to gambling, that will be difficult to get out and will really need help from others. Maybe we can guide those who get too far in gambling, especially if they are our friends who are close to us.

Many deny you because they care about the bad ones. But actually, what you're proposing here is a way to see how caring it is between fellow gamblers. Although gambling houses only provide a place and we bet for the sake of winning money, but realize sharing in gambling it is necessary for once upon a time.

No matter what the casino or their hire person, it is our responsibility to be careful if we want to play gambling because that is our money. We do not want to lose much money. We need to remember that playing gambling is risky, and we can lose money anytime and only with be careful we can avoid the big loss in gambling.

It's difficult to get out if you're already addicted to it. But even it's too difficult to get out, there's still a way for you to do so that you're still not that bad as the others.
You're the one that can control yourself and do avoid things that will make you attract like those marketing that you see online. You do the initiative if you want to do good.

They are gamblers most of them which make more money by getting and attracting a lot of new followers in their Youtube channels rather than from gambling actually.Of course most of them can be paid from gambling sites to promote themselves there and in their description to offer referral links with bonus attached to them to play in a specific casino which is their sponsor.This is a very normal marketing strategy if you ask me,I see nothing immoral here.

I admitted that it is difficult but that depends on our will to get out of the addiction. My friend in real life almost gets too deep in gambling, but luckily, we can save him and drag him out from the dark and give an understanding to him while we still guide and have beside them. The initiative, an effort, will, and want to change to the better things will be why they stop gambling forever.

It depends on the gamblers and the people around for that matter.
when indeed someone is trapped in an endless gambling addiction, this is actually quite a risky thing and the role of the people around is very important to regulate the gambler's mental and psychological well-being.
indeed the desire to get out of gambling addiction is a must from the gambler's own desire but on the other hand there must be someone closest to them who supports them so that they get more strength to be free from there

For noobs then this is mostly matters about curiosity but for those people who are aware about gambling then this is mostly talks about addiction.

Marketing could really be deceptive and if  you arent really that using your own common sense and do let your greed controls you then you would end up on believing
into this and would try and make out a deposit.
Once you do play and face up reality then you would really be finding out that you had been fooled or simply those things couldnt really
be possible.

I see nothing immoral there either. Basically, in those videos you can see what might happen when this or that slot was played. I mean it would be immoral if they were editing their videos to make it look like they were winning big amounts while in reality it never happened. But they never do that kind of stuff. They are showing real spins, and that's why I like to watch such videos, but of course I know the probability of that happening to me, so I don't expect winning 20,000x within an hour of playing. It can happen, but most likely it will not.

Unfortunately, a person cannot completely exclude the influence of other factors, including intrusive advertising completely.  If a player is trying to recover from gambling addiction and just accidentally sees such an advertising video, as they write here with immoral advertising, then an association immediately arises in his head and he immediately remembers these gambling games.  Unfortunately, many do not have enough willpower to get the thoughts of the game out of their heads.  And they start again, fail.  Here in this I see just the immorality of such advertising products.

There are many strategies that are very immoral, especially influencers, there is an influencer who is a YouTuber, and that YouTuber has promoted many NFT games that have turned out to be scam, and the truth is that he does not make a correction, he simply promotes the site because the best they pay him, and he does not care about anything, in fact he is a Spanish YouTuber who has a large audience, but how to trust an influencer who is only interested in the money they pay him for making a video promoting scams? I honestly stopped following it because I thought it was serious, but money does totally eliminate the ethics of anyone who has no criteria.

They might be popular today but there would be coming into a point that those subscribers or followers would definitely be doing the opposite or simply unfollow or unsubscribe specially if they do realize that they had just been fooled out and in result on lots of losses just because you do follow on what they are recommending specially with NFT's which would be similar on gambling also where these influencers wouldnt really care
about their viewers condition in terms of finances as long they do get paid and that what counts. Ethics or something connected to it wont really be seen on these circumstances.

But these videos DO exaggerate the ease of which big wins can be obtained, because the streamers play in a way that maximizes their chances of getting the jackpot without any consideration of how much money they lose in the process - because it's not their money!

Also, compilations of big wins make it seem much more likely that you can hit a jackpot than it actually is.

Moral or immoral, I don't think that this should be a condoned marketing strategy, at least undisclosed.

If they can have people closest to them who know if something happens to that person, that person will get the first help to solve the problem. But if that person does not have the closest people, that will be hard as he needs to struggle and figure out how to get out of gambling. It requires awareness always to introspect that he had a gambling addiction to realize that he has already gone too far deeper in gambling and he needs to stop the habit and create a new habit to prevent the addiction.

Since you already know this is a fake promotion what is expected of you is to stay away from the site and avoid playing there, but to say the truth I have followed stake.com for some years now and have not experienced any thing close to this before.

Lol not because there are some people that create fake promotions meaning the site is totally involved on this issue.
what if someone is just lurking to make the name of the site bad? if this is intentionally in sole purpose?

also the involve casino here is one of the finest gambling sites now,  we can evaluate this for their behavior and there are no case that has been filed against them so this means one thing , it was just being bumped by OP for His own intention, maybe to create bad impression towards the involved site and maybe he is a employee of competing site lol.

this is the important point because it is an internal factor, namely in this case their self-control must be really good because basically what makes them addicted is because of the inability of gamblers to control themselves which is the strongest factor to make them addicts.
as for external factors such as the influence of family and closest friends, it is only a stimulus aid so that they can indeed navigate and get through it all. with the support of the closest people indirectly it can increase the mental and spirit so that addicts can go through the phase for this.

Promotions carried out by the site basically override all existing morals, because in business I think seeking profit is of course an absolute thing regardless of how they have been doing so far, to avoid being stuck with what they offer of course as consumers we must be able to think logically with what they offer, besides that as consumers/users of course we have to find out about every truth in the promotion, because in my opinion: 90% of promotions only contain lies and 10% of the truth of what they offer.

You seems to be on point here. Gambling is our responsibility so we should be prepared of the out come we get from it. If you gamble due to feelings and you lose all your funds due to your over curiosity to win more, then know that it's your responsibility because no one begs you to gamble. Anyone that gamble due to other people's result and finally lost their money, then they should take full responsibility for their lose. I think we are on the same path!

You have to learn the tricks to win big in gambling digital marketing can be an interesting profession for those who are studying business education business administration if the marketing strategy in gambling does not work properly. Anyone can turn the wheel of their destiny if they want to can be financially self sufficient you can acquire skills and experience in education by joining an international organization one can engage oneself in freelancing or freelance profession. A combination of marketing strategies and strategies that bring an individual or business's online advertising to the top of google.

While the acts show no immorality, it does show deception in terms of winning. The problem with most YouTubers is that the money provided by them came also from the gambling owners themselves. As far as I remember, there was also a case where the rates were rigged and it caused to believe that the rates of winning a specific casino was higher. This caused an uproar on the gambling website in which it eventually closed (this happened in a CSGO gambling website) and the YouTuber being reprimanded as such.

Very immoral market strategy? No,I see nothing immoral here.In these Video You can see how to played and how to winning big amount. Yeah i know most of them they are paid  reviewer and promote and use their reffer link.Gambling is our much responsibility. I think It's Marketing strategy is normal. Coz they are showing real things.

Well said! Every actions we take is our sole responsibility and we should prepare for the outcome. Although I think this is a firm of marketing or rather advertisement which we all know but some influencers might take it to another level where they don't even care about what goes on next because they'll care about the money and when it backfires, they'll come back and start telling people not gamble with the same platform they were initially asking people to gamble on. This is a firm of lost priority.

Hopefully the internet user know they are paid streamers and also limit the age of those who can see thier videos after all youtube give these option when uploading videos. I'm not sure on other platforms like the twitch.

If users in the forum sees how Mamun see it, you wouldnt a negative trust for promoting a scam betting site. Unfortunately,  we limit some morals.

Not exactly real things at all, since many of them are using fake money to bet. It wouldn't be an issue if before the video there were a disclaimer message stating that it's a propaganda, like the ones we see on television, where it's everything a staging, literally.

The problem with streamers is they simulate events depicted on the videos as spontaneous real life, while in fact they are totally manipulated like any fictional movies or TV shows, consequently leading the audience to have a wrong conclusion of the reality, which can be harmful for them financially and even psychologically in this case.

Of course, for people who know what gambling is and how it works, these videos aren't really needed. Personally, I haven't seen any of them, because I'm not even interested in it. The problem is that newbies, and above all very young people, think that everything is happening for real and that winning a large amount is so easy. This leads them to trying for themselves and most often they are losing all their money very quickly.

They're obviously been paid by the casino to play and promote it they do get overhyped when they win even tho the money is not theirs, do i think this is immoral and kinda misleading ? Maybe. Does this behaviour needs to be stopped ? No.I believe some people maybe find this entertaining (myself included)

At the end of the day if you're a compulsive gambler or someone who has a real problem with gambling i suggest you just stay away from those streams.

I'm not completely sure about it. I mean, it's a fact that streamers are paid by gambling sites, but the mechanism is unknown to me. For instance, apart from their salary, they can be given $10k(or $100k, depending on the level of the streamer) to play slots on a platform, and whatever they win with that goes to their pocket, something like freebets, only without wagering requirement. In that case they would act more naturally when winning big or losing a lot. I think that's how it's done, but I'm not sure about it.

You are right, currently some people are not aware of what it means to have professional ethics, and it is unfortunate because I know that on YouTube and on many other platforms it is given that to get followers and loyal subscribers it is a matter of falling in love and if a disappointment occurs it is simply they will go, and it is not possible that so much effort will change it for a few dollars that it can help any YouTuber at any given time and not always, those who still maintain their credibility will always have their subscribers with the option to get more, but if you do not take care to your community will simply die and that is unfortunate.

For some casinos, that can be a way to get more visitors to their site because the audience will see how much money that promoter can win. It will make them feel that they can do that as the promoter did. The casino will not think about immoral and not mislead the information because they do what they want. It is like a strategy from the casino to get attention from the audience, especially if they can hire a promoter who can play good acting in front of their audience.

But the main problem here is that OP is pointing only to specific gambling site when the truth is almost every gambling site in crypto has this same strategy in luring players, or some are more worst while of course there are also that cleans.
what I am pointing here is that if he really wanted to create noise in this case then best to mention all the gambling site that has Immoral marketing strategy and not only the one above.

If the laws of the country in whose jurisdiction this or that gambling site is not prohibited to advertise services in some immoral way, then of course this is used by specific casinos.  Moreover, I think that they can do advertising in the form of such a "borderline", when its immorality may well be challenged by experienced lawyers in case someone decides to sue the advertising manufacturer or the casino itself. 
This is especially true, of course, in cases where, because of such advertisements, young people lose a lot or even become gambling addicts.

It will be more cases that we do not know about immoral marketing strategies. I think that is happening not just in the gambling industry but also in other businesses. The business owner wants to attract many more people to come to their business and spend their money so that they can make a big profit from them. It is not easy to stop people from watching that advertisement because those things can appear in many places and their target is people who do not have control over themselves. So it is about how we can prevent ourselves from what we think is immoral so we do not get in their trap. I am sure many more types of marketing strategies that will be more immoral from what we have already seen.

I agree. It is just a part of their marketing strategy or tricks. And because they are paid streamer/promoter they need to convince and get the attention of the viewers. It tricks the audiences into thinking there chances of winning big than they are.And it is all up to you if you're going to gamble or not.

In fact, it is only a feeling.
That is caused by high bet amounts and constant refilling of the balance.
A normal average person can not play in such a way, because eventually the money runs out.

It is quite dangerous to watch such streams if you are not aware of the fact that the only purpose for yourself should be entertainment and gambling still has to do with luck.

If you do make yourself get blinded about on whats reality then you would really be believing that those fellas are really spending out money out from their pocket which is totally a different scenario.
Think realistic because they wont be spending out much money in front of lots of people and do you see something odd that most of these influencers do really win up money or in their games?
Dont know if its really that fair or something im confident on telling that they do mostly win up and i dont know if its intentional or simply they are just lucky.

It's one thing to do a paid promotion through a promotor... but to lie and act like it is their own money they are gambling with.. It's not only immorally wrong, it's possibly illegal depending what jurisdiction the streamer is in.

It's an amazing paradox that this new breed of social media "influencers" live in - they will sell out everything possible on their journey for fame, I guess that's how it's worked for all sorts of celebrities in the past. Unless they come from a fairly rich background already, in which case they have a small chance of not being insufferable but many upbringings are ruined by wealth. So yes, they will be willing to accept any bribes or advertising trickery if it helps fund their stay at home lifestyle and fully endorse the fakery that advertisers need them to push. In many cases they will even rationalize it to themselves in a variety of ways, the most basic being - someone else will take the money on offer if they don't.

I think these types of marketing tricks should be regulated by law. I have not heard of it being forbidden anywhere. However, it should definitely be regulated at least to make sure that the person who will watch the stream is informed that it is a promotional video and not a real game.

Well it has always been expected that there is a trick from the streamer and it should always be doubtful about it when they are using a huge fund.
I think that is right, considering this is illegal because it seems you are misleading people to the fact that you are taking advance their weakness, they think that the streamer and willing to lose a huge amount and gain profit. Perhaps they are desperate on their strategy, and a marketing strategy like this should be banned in any viewing video platforms.

As long as they are not saying it openly they are not commiting anything wrong from the legal perspective but it can be immorally wrong but why does someone choose to spend their money because they saw a streamer is making tons of money by doing the same, which is actually greed driven activity right so those streamers are using the people's greed to make money for them.

Unfortunately, it will not be easy to completely ban such streams. Casinos can create these types of videos as an instruction for new users, and this is definitely legal. The point is for someone who watches to know that the person who is playing not for real money and winning is not real. If someone thinks that you can win a lot of money in such an easy way, he will certainly want to try, unfortunately in reality it is not that simple and it is unethical in my opinion.

They can lie to make money, all they care about is the legality, as long as they are safe on the legal side they can do what the promoter would like them to talk and promote, that's why it's hard to trust those who are promoting online, I would still prefer a forum like ours as we can see the transparency we are looking, no bias opinion will prevail and etc.

They wouldnt really care at all and its true that as long they dont make some legal lapses or violation then it would really still to continue since they do know that theres nothing that would happen to them despite of

being that deceptive in terms of marketing as long on whats been mandated on them then they would surely follow as long they do make out money then that what matter the most.

As a gambler or viewer then you should be at least using your own common sense on judging off things.

We shouldn't trust anybody for any reason, we can get the opinions from them and do the same with different people so if you are getting more positive response on average then its actually a good site but highly influenced by someone's popularity is just the stupidity.

I think that there are actually legal issues surrounding these streamers.

E.g. they seem to be operating from the U.S. when gambling in the U.S. on these sites is actually forbidden.

Plus, it is forbidden for services like Roobet to offer their product to U.S. citizens. Given that they are directly sponsoring these streamers there could be an even deeper hole there.

Possible but we arent seeing something or situations that there are being sued or had faced some legal issues but if there would be someone who would push through or have some extra time to hassle
up themselves or does have the funds to do so then there might be but now we are seeing nothing.

Legal actions could be there but we dont see it happening but in over all sense this is particular in decision with those viewers and act accordingly on what they are seeing.

Are you talking about fake bets on videos that attract viewers? If yes, then it's not a new thing. All I can say is it's just a part of advertising and marketing, and you can not stop it. So many videos are available on YouTube, and blind people believe in them. People want to make money online, and they won't profit from their investment, so they start watching videos. The only advice I can give is, take some reviews and search on the internet before putting your money somewhere.

Yes, it's about exactly such videos and additionaly streams. But this thread is about the fact that it is unethical that a lot of people, and above all young users, do not know that this game is fake and the money is not real. Inexperienced young players think that they can easily win big money, and when they try to practice, they lose it.

This is understandable because most of them are still a young group and even tend to children who have not been able to think broadly so that they are so innocent and believe that this is real.
but on the other hand it's actually not only them but there are some people who already know that it is something fake but with their love they don't want to admit and still deny that this is fake.

If an adult refuses to believe that this is a fake, it means that he should not be in control of his finances at all, because it is certain that he will lose everything very quickly. But there isn't much that can be done about this. The worst thing is that these streams most often reach very young people, and even children who can easily believe that the money they play on video is real.

I think regulations should require each casino, be it online or offline, to display a disclaimer that clearly specifies that winning over a large number of iterations is not probabilistically feasible.
If you ask the regular gambler, I assure you that he doesn't understand how the game is designed against him. He does not see gambling as a way of entertainment, but of a land of hope for his biggest financial dreams. That's wrong and immoral, I agree. A minimum solution I can think of right now would be a short quiz that each user needs to complete.

I agree with you, but it's not about the casino directly (although it should). The point is that what streamers do should be regulated by law. In some countries, advertising of gambling is prohibited at all. In this case, there is even no information that it is an advertisement. Those who watch it think it's a real game, which is already completely unethical.

The difference is, when you watch a casino advertisement, you know it is a casino promotional video. As for streamers, they pretend to be real players who play for real money and win real money. However, the truth is quite different, and the people who watch it don't know it and think that winning at the casino is so easy. When they try themselves, the reality turns out to be very brutal in most cases.

Your common sense would tell you that it is indeed a promotional video but you do get yourself blinded whenever that streamer or influencer do make out some big profits without even realizing that the
money that they are using and won is given back into the casino unless if there is some sort of agreement on having some % of those wins to influencers but its not really that common.

If you do really make yourself not to be aware and just directly been amazed or fascinated on how these guys making profits on making those big bets then you would likely
ending up on depositing.

their mistake? No, its yours because you havent forced up to make out deposit and when you do lost then theres no one would be blamed of.

Are you saying that it is the people who can be manipulated who are to blame for themselves because they are mentally weak?

If it were only adults and fully aware of the dangers of gambling, I could agree with you.

Unfortunately, this mostly affects very young people, and even children, who have no idea what gambling can lead to.

It's called market and I don't think the law has anything to do with it unless if it's done against the law. Moreover nobody is force to click or follow what these influencers are doing and most time you are being warned to take your own decision when it's comes to these kind of marketing.
You will see a lots of them on youtube with different tricks of attracting people to click and join what they are influencing.

Immoral or not, it depends on how we see it. There are laws prohibiting unfair or deceptive practices in advertisement, but they are different in different countries. And is showing your real wins on slots unfair or deceptive? I don't think so. As with any other advertisement, it is we who can make it harmful for us, not the ad itself. Ads are annoying sometimes, and in other times they make us buy unnecessary things, but the world would be less funny without them. And these big wins on slots, in particular, some of them are really fun to watch. :)

That simply talks about money and even it was immoral, they let it happen as it was paid already. It is sometimes to think that was too unfair, yes, it was but have less possibility that we can change the nature of this place. Then rather we saying it was too unfair, too immoral, maybe it was best to ignore them than be a big deal to it.

It is actually annoying when we heard such complaints but can't just put blame on them(ads) alone, we do it for ourselves then for listening and choosing them.

Influencers being bluntly paid actors that advertises casinos and encouraging gambling at its finest is one thing, but using elements that could impact the minors and innocents is another level. But then how can we do something that would restrict companies and influencers from using such, because we all know that for as long as its effective and they are gains on it, they will continue to do so. Maybe we could try calling out those influencers and casinos, collectively, to get their attention and also bring public’s eyes onto them and their actions.

That's true, sometimes I feel motivated when I see those who play slots and win big, regardless of whether it's just a marketing trick. I still remember the saying that whatever is seen is not necessarily the reality, Now it's just a matter of how we react to this, whether we want to believe it or not, whether we want to be trapped or not.

I doubt if they even noticed anyone trying to explain it to them. After all, they themselves invented this method of marketing. I think marketing teams are opening champagne celebrating the success of their idea. As long as it is not regulated by law, they will never give up on it.

isn't that very reasonable? because indeed the majority of youths usually still don't think openly and only most of them still use their emotions and passions compared to logic so when they see this they indirectly want to do the same thing because they think that this is true even if seen logically. impossible because there was no way one could continue to be lucky. but because they are still using their emotions and lust so they don't think about it

Give up? They can never give up because they are making consistent project from it and I know in the next five to ten years coming, they will be crazy influencers who will be ready to do anything for money, even to tell us that res is white even when it's obvious. This is why the internet is their we enquires about anything we are looking for.

Everything could be seen on net thats why we should really sharpen out out common sense and awareness around on what happening in our surrounding or into those things that we are watching.We arent
that dumb on not to notice if something isnt that right which by your own self will then you could really decide on whether if its good to deal with it or simply skip out.
Influencers doesnt really mind off if its ethical or not as long they would get paid then that what matter most and wont minding about their audience situation.

Thats true. The influencers are after money, so as long as they can gain from what they advertise (regardless if its true or not) then they are more willing to do it. Thats why its up to us whether to believe these strategies to convince the viewers. Its not only for casino, the same goes for products we see on tv, we dont know if its effective or legit but because of the advertisement and popular personality who advertise it, some people are patronizing and one reason is they idolize the advertiser and thinking they really use it.

We already know how they work, so it will not surprise us how they will still use the same method with some modification to convince potential customers.
Besides that, those influencers did their jobs using their channel, but some do not remind their audience to be careful when playing gambling.
I am afraid that we can not stop those influencers, even if we report what they did to the providers, because they may not block their accounts. After all, those influencers also profit the provider.
So it is our duty always to filter what we see from the influencer and not just follow what they say before we research furthermore.

It is always our fault and not anyone's else that we are so greedy that we are ready to believe that we are necessarily going to win like those guys in the vids. We don't want to think about how much money they were risking, how many times they were losing before that big win etc., we just want to win like them right away. It is no wonder we are disappointed and broke, more often than not, following those expectations.

I don't think this should be stopped. I think everyone has to think on their own about what they do and what are the consequences of their steps. Well, if you see a monkey jumping in front of the cam creating an illusion of winning hot money in the casino, you should be aware that in the casino you can either lose it. You will cool down the milk after having burnt your tongue, isn't it? If someone else burns their tongue, you will believe but think that you will not have your tongue burnt even if you drink a boiled milk:) The same is with those jumping monkeys. If you are an 18+ aged person, you should think about what you do and about all the consequences of your behavior. If not, well, you still need your mom to make your bed:)

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Agree with you. If you see a person crossing the road in the wrong place and we do the same and hit the car, should we blame that person? If you try to stop it, this will never stop. If you let it go with no attention at all, this will stop on its own.

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Marketing is marketing whether you do it in your own way or not. The problem is the advertising in the most cruel manner. Although I don't have to blame anyone here because we'll responsible for our own decisions and what so ever goes wrong is our own fault. I have lost huge amount of dollars at the wrong project just because of influence from high profile men and lack of my ability to do thorough research.

The annoying part about all this is that these streamers try to hide their activities. They would probably still get a beneficial number of new signups to whatever service they want to advertise if they were totally upfront and disclosed what they were doing. People love following these so-called influencers and streamers, they'll often overlook explicit and blatant warnings if they get to copy whatever their fan favorite is doing at the moment. It would also help these people and the casinos they are promoting because they'd be able to show that they clearly warn new users of any risks involved. There are a lot of silly and wasteful people out there who are bad with money, somebody is going to "help them" spend it unfortunately.

I thought they used to place a warning write up telling people that what they are saying is just for the purpose of advertising and that nobody should take them serious because it's not a financial advise. The warning is obvious and is very clear but many persons still don't understand what that means. Although they are showing us that so that will might not end up sueing them. Don't you think they need our money to grow rich?

The point is that there are no warnings anywhere that the game we watch on video or stream is for fake money.
Of course, are shown in public the videos in which someone wins. A person who has no gambling experience when watching something like this thinks winning is very easy. If he can be persuaded to make a deposit, he usually loses everything. That's why it's so dangerous.

Most common scenario is that these influencers does have that unlimited fund that they do have into their gambling accounts which means that betting would be sky is the limit
and when  they do hit up big multipliers then of course the winning would really be big on which it could really poke up someones interest on playing too
and this is how marketing works.

Viewers wouldnt really mind on how much that player had lost when they do play up and since theyre been funded then betting behavior would be totally different.

Fairness can be seen though and you could spot out for experienced players but for noobs then everything would be plain and simple.

It doesn't matter if it's a live stream with an unlimited account or a video.
I am sure that it is no problem for the casino to create an account where the deposits look like real, which is really a demo mode. It is even easier on video, because they can publish only parts in which someone only wins.
Either way, it is a very effective trap for young people who have never played in a real casino before.

It can be one of their promotion or advertisement? We have seen this kind of trick several times and always very interesting, moreover for newbies who are really interested in money. They will not think twice about the reality of the slots.
And about how they promote, I think that they will not care about what they are doing, one thing that they only consider is getting and gaining more and more users to their platforms.
Moreover, it is about slots or gambling platforms, who care about that?
I also always notice my friends or family not to be interested in that kind of advertisement because they are sometimes too sweet, but exactly very intriguing.

This is somehow effective marketing method since it can describe easily on how their game works and there's no problem with it since they are just doing there job and if they show negativity then for sure they will not get good result for their business so its up for people on how they take those videos they see since if they live up on their fantasy to get rich easily by playing on gambling and follow what they see then they will have a problem with that.

this is how business moves now because the marketing team is looking for everything in which can attract more costumers .
so whatever they do it is still depend in the costumer if they will not be careful to enter.
so Immoral or not? it is your mistake if you become a victim from this kind of luring.
just stay away from not legit gambling site because that will save your asses in scamming and cheating .

You should always assume that when you are seeing a streamer or an online personality being sponsored, that they're taken care of and that they already have games in the bag because the sponsors want them to win and create the illusion that you can do it too. It's not new and advertisements are meant to deceive after all, I mean the 50s introduced cigarettes as a medical paraphernalia by advertising.

Many of us here are saying that these strategies are not correct. But, most of those who post here have advertising for the bookmaker in their signature.

Of course it's different. We, with our signatures, are not fooling anyone, nor saying that we have won this or that, we are just announcing a bookmaker.

It is up to each one to do their analysis and choose what to do.

You are right because they can use many marketing strategies and ways to attract customers and badly, many of them do not read or search for more info about them so we see they are getting scammed because of using a bad casino.
Many exciting advertisements the casino can do, but we do not have to visit them if we find something suspicious to prevent something bad from happening to us.
We must do it because we do not want to play gambling in scam casinos, even if they can do the best marketing out there to attract customers.
We should react normally and not be amazed at what they offer because many casinos can do that.

I wouldn't dramatize it like that. Firstly, losing your balance on a gambling site is nothing close to be hit by the car. Secondly, those video bloggers are not "crossing the road in the wrong place" when playing slots and streaming the game. If you have not more than you can afford to lose on your balance, nothing terrible can happen to you. My point is, you can even try to mimic those streamers just for the fun of it, but you should do it an amount you afford to lose, that's all.

Great point! Whatever you do with your balance, you should always stick to your budget! You can lose it in one single round of your fav pokie or you can sip it stretching the pleasure of gambling. Whatever. But you should always keep in mind that your budget is not an unlimited stream.

I thought the same way about casinos a couple of years ago, but things have changed. You can't win it all because of the RTP level. And casinos know this. That's why most of those gambling sites patiently wait for you to lose money there. They don't need to scam you. Moreover, I have played in an online casino that was recommended by one of my friends that (I realized this later on this forum) was a kind of a blacklisted one for "scamming" people. I managed to withdraw all my winnings from there even before I knew that that was a "scam" casino. My verdict, I don't think that there are "scam" casinos. Those are stories that are told by those guys who lost their money for some reason or have seen their accounts blocked for breaking some casino rules. We often start playing by simply checking the checkbox with casino policies and T&Cs without giving even a couple of minutes to go through the document and to see what we are allowed to do there and what is restricted. With this in mind, yes, many casinos do aggressive marketing. Many affiliates do aggressive marketing because this is their business. If you start playing at a particular casino, you should understand that your longterm odds are negative.

I think this should be regulated somehow. I don't mean this type of ad should be banned, but this should be regulated in a more strict manner like Forex ads for instance. When you join any Forex broker, you will see these warnings about the high risks of losses and all this related stuff. Moreover, their affiliates are obliged to warn users about all risks involved. This the way I think this should work.

Every promoter has their own strategy and they would never force anyone to wager their funds. Adverts is always a choice what you should be more concerned about is encouraging discipline in newbies other than finding faults it's their very channel and the have the full license to operate which ever way they choose.

You're right is it something like misleading advertising? It has happened to me with several sites, especially in casinos, once I do not remember the name of a casino that I started playing crash and they give a faucet to start, with that amount I started to win and I did just what I needed to process the payment, When I went to make the payment, they told me that I had to deposit beforehand, that if I didn't deposit I couldn't withdraw, which I thought was a scam, so that's false advertising, and that's what you should be careful about.

But didn't they have those small print on the faucet indicating that money earned using the faucet could only be withdrawn after a deposit?

Either way, regardless of the offers that online casinos offer, it is normal for a person to first make a deposit and then be able to withdraw the money won. But this does not invalidate the gain, the person can deposit the minimum amount and then withdraw everything right away.

Exactly and mostly the one who fell into those traps are Newbies if not Greedy people who keeps seeking for instant of great wins each game in which the way why they are the main target of these misleading marketing strategy .
There have been friends of Mine who twice in his gambling career that fell into the trap of those Social Media Blogger whos promoting the gambling site like this way.
Stay away from social media guys if you wanna gamble instead just focus in your favorite games and also focus in your budget for each gaming .

Nothing new to this since those Vloggers want only to gain since imagine how big profit they can get if they can invite newbie or hardcore players to the casino what they are promoting, so its expected that there content more hyping rather than educational discussion towards their platform playing. I guess its good to avoid those content creator like that since we cannot get any good on their contents.

Yep, that's the key to not be turning entertainment into disaster. Just have some fun, lose $5-$10 to your favorite game, and call it a day. Yeah, you always have a chance to win, but you should know that losing is more likely.

Btw, I didn't know what "pokie"means before I read your post. Now I googled it

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and it's a valuable addition to my vocabulary. Catch a merit for that!  ;)

This is 100% correct advice!  If you start to study some reviews or recommendations on social networks, then you will definitely come across hidden advertising and hidden promotion of the services of a particular casino.  And it obviously works for less experienced players. 
 Internet in general is now more than 90% filled with fake.  With information and understanding the true understanding of things in general, it has become quite difficult.  Censorship does not work, all nonsense only catches the eye. 
True - it's better not to listen to anyone but to live and play according to your own understanding.

Yes, great idea, especially those ones who will try to sell you some win-win strategies:)

Yes, it is our responsibility to filter the advertisement we see on social media and not click if we think that will trap us into something we do not know for sure. Maybe some people who have experience can stay away from that but we know so many new people online on their social media, so the advertisement has many new targets that can make those people visit gambling sites that they do not know. We can only be careful when we see that advertisement and always be aware of that.

To follow that up, more on those reviews and advertisement are to favor the business,

they've been paid by the house to write or streams informations that will lead gamblers/players to their platforms
if you want to be successful, go dig on your own and allow to adopt.

Better to keep your guard up when choosing a gambling sites to play and enjoy, be mindful of the amount that you are
willing to lose and the amount that you'll be more contented to earn.

This is where we should really heighten up our senses and awareness towards with these deceptive kind of act on where it could really make noobs do easy to believe that money making or profits is easy without realizing

that gambling field doesnt really work on that way.Influencers doesnt really care on your condition whether you do get addicted or getting broke because of gambling and as long they would get paid

then that what matter the most which is why common sense would be much suggested and should be used on.

But to avoid social medias for this reason is too extremist in my opinion. I think people should have access to every informations disponible around and make their own judgement on what is worthful, what isn't and what is legit and what isn't. We can't live inside a glass dome without access to the reality surrounding us. We have to learn how to deal with it in a way we won't be fooled or prejudiced. And in case of mistakes, we can learn from them.
Gambling platforms' social medias can also bring valuable useful informations and content. If a gambler is able to filter what is benefical to him and what isn't, he will be fine in any environment.

We do have our own will on making out decision for ourselves and not totally close out or getting rid of things just because of some factor because same as you said that we would need a medium on which
we could really learn up things on whats happening around.We arent that dumb on not to see and act accordingly basing up with our own experiences.
Moral or Immoral then it would depend or vary with someones own point of view.

I think, by the way, that some restrictions should be imposed. It is not about moral or immoral side, but to tell the truth, you can see those restrictions on Forex, for instance. All regulated companies are obliged to tell their customers more about risks and to provide them with transparent information about the ways they can lose money. Those brokers tell their affiliates to conduct this risk policies too. I think something like this should be done in gambling. Trustworthy niche website (affiliates) always want their customers that they can lose more than they can win. And this is a good approach. THe same should be done across the whole board of affiliates to make this industry more moral-friendly.

I am not sure about that because I do not get a scam by the casinos and if I lose in a game, I consider that is because of my fault and not the casino mistake.
If people complain about the casino scamming them, they need to look at their history and check if they are breaking the casino rules or they are clean enough and then they can ask the casino what is happening to them.
Many people say the casino is a scam because of themselves. I would call that because they feel greedy after winning some money and want more wins or create a new account to earn money through the casino affiliate system.
If you succeed in withdrawing all of the win money, you are lucky and I am sure you do not do something that breaks the rules.

In addition to this, we should not expect a person that is earning big by just advertising or promoting a project to give up just like that without concrete reasons why he or she decided to do so. From now till 10 years coming, I think their will be new batch of influencers who will be ready to do anything to promote projects just for the money sake. More persons are aspiring to join the influencers team everyday.

As far as I know these restrictions you mentioned already exist in some countries, but they apply only to advertisements made inside the jurisdiction of that sovereign state (example: television, outdoors ads). To make such restrictions a requirement for internet ads, I think the platforms used by content creators to promote gambling should enforce it on their terms and conditions.
On the other hand, anyone who feels prejudiced by a fake propaganda, including videos spreading misleading content on youtube, can always sue the channel and the responsible behind it, doesn't matter how far they live from each other. But the costs of the action are really expensive, becoming impossible for most people to afford, because the legal proceedings must happen in the country of the defendant and even the lawyers involved in both parties must be located on that territory.

So the idea of the platform imposing restrictions is much simpler and safer for the public, who is the potential victim.

The streamers always have the disclaimer that play at your own risk. If anyone copies the streamers and they lose in this process, the streamers cannot be blamed because he has already told people that the stream is for entertainment purposes also. I understand that viewers may get addicted but then the risk is entirely on the viewers who try to copy the streamers.

There no need for such actions. Despite advertising law regulates such cases without proper efficiency on Youtube, i think in near future (1-3 years) everything will change dramatically. Not only you (and me) were being annoyed by such dishonest promotions. As i heard new regulations on Youtube is near to come  :)

Why so soon if they could able to apply or make it happen now? This really make things more better if things like this would really be get rid off or there would be some sort of strict criterias and verifications

for each possible advertisement or streams that in relate with marketing but as a viewer/fan then we arent that dumb on not to notice things or could really make out some verification

first before do making some such step because we do have our own self will on doing things and not needed for some sort of those extras.

Could be possibly be applied but this would be ending up on personal choice since there were no regulatory board that would mandate or make it as a compulsory thing on where they should really be giving out those warnings or words about losses or something related to that which is really a bit odd since its been applied on other industries as well but not on gambling field.The thing you had mentioned or suggested is
true but they are always the ones who do make out such decision whether they do put up that rule or wouldnt really care at all as long they do get revenue out of these businesses.

Man, i had seen drug advertisement on youtube few years ago  ;D
Here it, news about this case, but in russian (you need to translate a little bit) - https://vc.ru/flood/25751-youtube-hydra

So it's weird to ask Youtube for moderating of gambling advertisement in video, if it can't properly moderate it's own video prerolls  ;D
And i think, that Youtube do not want to moderate it. So, all hopes for the regulations.

^ Probably for those people that did not a part of our community will follow those streamers strategies but when it comes to using it will not have an effect because we know that streamers are only advertising on youtube for only entertainment purposes and the fund use has come from sponsorship and I think that way we know how to set limit. We understand if there is a casino that actively has streaming on Youtube for marketing strategy, of course, they doing this for their business purpose only and as a player, we should also be aware of this and moderately gamble.

We are not having one supreme leader for all countries around the world, so regulations can be different in different places, and, I'm pretty, sure, there will always be countries with no regulations at all. I mean, we can't count on regulations to come one day and save us, because this may never happen. We have to save ourselves through our own means, and we have to it today. It's easy: don't watch those videos if you feel vulnerable.

Agree with this point of yours that most accusations come from those who have to blame themselves for breaking rules or simply going out of budget trying to win it all. I know a couple of fo gamblers (friends of mine) who managed to win money and they were paid at the end with no problems or delays (according to withdrawal policies, meaning they had to slice their winnings into smaller portions to withdraw them). But if you look through some topics on this forum you will see that people love those fast accusations and never or almost never blame themselves.

I wonder how the Youtuber will be if Youtube makes their rule strict than before. Maybe they will limit all related things and tolerate if the influencers spread something that can cause people's lives to become unusual. We are annoyed by those promotions but we can not do anything but luckily, we can report the ads if we think they can or have already broken the rules so Youtube can warn them.

I think you should always rely on your own instead of waiting for someone to do all job instead of you. There are plenty of ways to scam people and those Youtube Vloggers are not the worst devils on the Earth. You should always keep your eyes open as you can be deceived at any particular moment of your life. Too many financial services and all this stuff that want you to give them your money for nothing. So, it is important for each of us to be on guard to avoid scam traps.

Not all would really be moderated which you could somewhat expect that there are things which do crosses on the border line or simply it shouldnt really be showed publicly or something like that and as i said earlier

that we arent that dumb on not to figure out on whats wrong and whats bad or wouldnt able to think up clearly about on possible future effects if you do decide to deal with it.
We do have our own common sense and decisions whether we should get involved or not, if you dont care on your life then so be it and go ahead as simple as that.

Of course, we will never get rid of advertising and marketing. It is all over the world and I still have the impression that there are more and more of ads.
In this case, the point is not that the ads are annoying, but that there is no information at all that this is an ad. People who watch this think this is a real game, which is not true and should be controlled by YouTube.

Any persons that is waiting for the regulation of influencers content is wasting their time because Youtube are making their own money from content viewers which makes it difficult for such expectation. Individual gambling should take necessary precautions to avoid being scammed or interacting with fame projects.

If YouTube doesn't want to regulate it, maybe it should be done by law?!
I'm sure the law regulates advertising in some way (alcohol, cigarettes, guns, gambling), so if it does with influencers, YouTube will have to controll that also.

Probably yes, but not to save the people just for the Google to make more revenue since with the help of influencers the advertisement becomes cheaper but if the same kind of ad need to be promoted by the YouTube itself it will cost them atleast 10x than paid YouTube promotion.

Every advertisement is immoral strategy, we see the cheesey pizza on advertisement but anyone find the pizza in the same way as shown in the advertisement? No right because they use glue components which imitates cheese and every ad falls under this kind of immitation.

Many ads do not tell how they work instead just tempt people to join them and if people join without research, they will make their own mistake. That makes many people lose their money without a chance to make money. People should be cautious when they watch the ads and not do something that can get the worst experience. Maybe Youtube is still trying to monitor all of the ads that can make people ruin themselves, but it still needs time for Youtube to ban the wrong ads.

Look, Google even controls YouTube ads very well. The problem is that often what is advertised, there is nothing wrong.

I can create a YouTube ad, and just say, "I can tell you four ways to make money, easily and effectively. Don't miss the opportunity to increase your income and have what you love most."
And then the service I provide is to refer people to websites or services that allow people to earn money through work or investment.

This is not wrong, nor is it a lie. But it really is a rogue scheme, to take money from people, about things they already know.

Unfortunately this will be difficult to eliminate, and for Google to ban. Then, it may not even be in the ads themselves, but in the videos on the platform, and in that sense it's even more difficult.

Agree with you, but there are ways to avoid those rules and regulations. I mean those Vloggers don't promote a particular casino in the video, for example, but use their premises to show how much they win. When a weak soul sees such a clip, they will definitely try to opt for a casino that is shown in the clip, etc.

That can work for new people who are curious about gambling but not those who have already played gambling. They can know what site those Vloggers promote to show a clue about the site that only those who play that will know. Maybe the regulations will benefit Youtube and not the Vloggers as Youtube owns the site so Youtube can do whatever they want. A short, I agree that it needs individual precautions to avoid the videos if they think that can make them in danger.

What happens is that for there to be a regulation it is very difficult, since now it is not possible to determine what is a scam or not, because there is no regulation in this regard, and there are many complaints worldwide to regulate everything related to crypto , for example NFT games, because metaverses and games of metaverses are coming, many hope that there will be a regulation like there was with ICOs, but I think that this is not the solution because when there are regulations it is very difficult to adapt, there is a clear chance with the metaverses, just wait and see how they can handle certain vulnerabilities.

Back in the past on which people do really whine off about regulation about those ICO projects back in the past which it didnt really happen and now they are asking the same thing with the current hype and interest on the market.You wouldnt really be dumb on not to make out some research in regarding with these things and when you do see something which isnt out of your taste
then its not really bad to make out some considerations on making out some research first before dealing whether its regulated or not.

That's right, don't wait for regulations to come, regulate it for yourself by yourself. If you think a video should be banned - don't watch it, or, maybe not watching anything from that channel would be a good idea.


Good point. When we ask for regulations, we should understand that many of good stuff can be banned too along the way. I bet there are no dishonest streamers and no scammers on the North Korea's national intranet, called Kwangmyong. But do we need such a thing? I don't think so.

It would be the ideal thing to execute first before going on something but unfortunately majority has been drag on the platform because someone invite them in or they just see their ads about earning money for just doing simple things that's why sometimes research has been done by this people at the end. Also not surprising if there are people get hype for something related with winnings or gaining profits since this is human nature and people always want to earn.

I would add that we all don’t really know anything at all about what is happening with the Internet in North Korea, as well as, in general, how the citizens of this mysterious country for the world community live there.  But, I think, of course, Internet scammers become there - it's deadly.  However, everyone knows about some hackers from North Korea who mine bitcoins and maybe dollars for their country.   :)
As for immoral advertising, as I recently found out, in general, the advertising market is already 1/3 on TV, and 2/3 on the Internet in terms of the cost of this advertising.  At the same time, there is almost no regulation on the Internet and immoral advertising on the Internet knows no boundaries and brakes at all.  And whatever one may say, any of us faces it from time to time.  
And I have no idea what will happen to the restrictions on advertising when we all move to Web 3.0

Agree. You and only you can control your gambling journey. No one will help you with that. If you feel you things go out of your control, it is better to leave it.

Yeah, but obviously all those hackers are working for the North Korean government. If you are an independent hacker in North Korea - you dead. :)


I have no idea either. Are we moving to Web 3.0 at all? And if we are, will the internet, as we know it today, be completely abandoned? I mean, you can download any book to your kindle, but people still buy paper books. Let's hope for the best, though. Let's hope in the Web 3.0 will be no "immoral marketing", whatever that means. :)

I like your idea about web 3.0, but we are still on the stage of the concept, I think. Blockchain offers many opportunities, but to build web 3.0, we have to reset our minds first. Humanity is too centralized and even at those Blockchain dawn times, we have seen centralized exchanges instead of decentralized ones. Decenstralized Internet is looking like a city on the cloud. When it comes to online casinos, the idea of decentralized gambling sites is great, but you should never forget that one day the blockchain itself may be abandoned. If this happens, the casino that is built on this Blockchain will be closed automatically. It looks non-realistc, but with this huge number of blockchains nowadays, this may become true one day.

This is how marketing strategies work,  everything can be soooo interesting and also worthy to take when seeing from the advertisement and promotions . They will not care about what they use,  they only want to get more people to use the platforms.

And that is why we are ourselves that must be aware about it,  smart,  and also careful about that kind of promotion.  They will seem so legit. And many people become victims.

Like what I previously mentioned, it is somehow difficult to draw the line on what is considered to be 'immoral' as paid advertisements and projects may NOT be considered as such. Remember that these YouTubers or influencers do these kinds of stuff for their income also. While it may sound selfish, I mean it benefits them when they get paid to advertise such online gambling platform.

Personally, what is immoral is when online casinos tend to advertise their websites and intentionally tampers the rates of winning. Like they employ influencers but they rigged the chances of winning, causing it to at least fool the majority believing that you can win large amounts of money or experience a winning streak.

There's no reason for them to care, all they care is about the marketing and how effective it is.

And if they only care to get more customers, what we should care about is all about ourselves. If you understand what marketing they use, don't be indulged with it so that you won't be the one that they're targeting.

Those people that understand that this marketing really is unlikeable to them, just shun it.

I agree with you, we should be the last line of defense here, marketing strategies don't care about morals or ethics, it's a matter of perspective in the end line, they just wish to attract more people, that's why they tend to be provocative in some way!
But we are the ones who are making the final decision, if it looks too good to be true it probably isn't, so check it twice before you enter! There's not better advise here, there are too many commercials out there, and all of them wish to attract more people!

Google couldn't control or stop ads like that but we could still do something to get rid of them. Since they're targeting players to bet or to spend too many funds, we should also take responsibility by being skeptical and observant of different ads that we may find online. Scammers are over the internet so we should always be wiser than them.

I think any experienced gambler will not be fooled that such a video is real. The point is that these types of tricks are trgeted to people who have no experience and think that winning at a casino is easy. After seeing a video like this, they deposit money and usually lose everything very quickly. It should not be like that.

no fraud occurred, it was all pure duping carried out by gambling sites that paid money to influencers. it comes back to yourself, and you have to be able to distinguish the real from the fake. win in a row or win big with small capital? please think again is this real!!!

They are not targeting the experience gambler but they are aftering those people who don't know about it and seeking for better opportunity on their life especially when earning easy money at difficult times.  Newbie should realize that there's no easy way to earn money since if they believe ln many click baits on internet then for sure many money will lost at them due to their own negligence.

Each gambling sites has their own strategy no matter how bad or good it is as long as they attract more players. Fake advertisements are everywhere because honestly, they wouldn't create ads that will discourage their players. Lots of streamers are also taking advantage of this opportunity and what we just need to do is just to be skeptical and be wise in choosing a good site and game

That is why it is so dangerous for new, inexperienced players. This is the main reason why these types of streams or videos should be regulated. If stream providers do not do this, it should be regulated by the authorieties.

I am afraid that happened to many people out there because many of them do not control themselves and will tempt them to play gambling with less control. We see many people getting trapped because of their ego and think that they will have the chance like those people on the videos. If they can spend some time learning more about gambling or controlling themselves, they will see that it is easy to get tempted but difficult to avoid getting tempted because of money.

Very sad to say that there are people who easily being allure by this kind of marketing, not just with gambling but other things that they've seen online, focusing with social medias you will see lots of ads that will attract your attentions, there are advertisers who really good in creating their ads, they will catch your attention and the next thing you know you are already being trap by those sweet promises.

Without doing your part and DYOR deeper, it's very possible to hook you and be one of those victims.

Always be careful dealing online, keep your guard up! ::) 8)

I thought this thread had already died, from what I see there are many people with stories of complaints similar but this and something expected of things on the internet because still things without regulation, this and what makes us provide services. it's been that way for years and it's only over when you've regulated

Yup. What you see is always not what you get in terms of promotions. It is like we see a food commercial on tv. They looks so big and fine so we go to that restaurant but by the time you order them, the food looks small and not the same as on what they advertise it. The same thing can also happen in terms of gambling, someone will showcase their play that they can win huge but the moment you tried it, the experience is completely different.

I think the best way to do is limit our expectation so that we wont feel bad in the outcome that we are going to get. We cant just put the blame on them directly because they are only doing their best to attract costumers.

The best way is to apply your own strategies while the videos offer some ideas for beginners experienced people usually go their own way. Videos don't always work on the same basis, so new gamblers lose out and lose everything suitable for any strategy and all games of chance before depositing money you have to analyze the sites thoroughly and check whether they are reliable or not. Gamblers will not be fooled by this analyzing yourself will reduce mistakes and you will be able to learn something new and make it more experienced in the future.

Lol, this is crazy looking at it from the back. You know the government are also making money from youtube, so you won't expect this kind of regulation. The government would always leave the matter to social media platform to regulate that and no one knows when this is going to happen. I this is just a form of advertising, which means government is going to regulate other forms of advert too.

Unfortunately this is the case, after all when we see an ad of someone promoting a product it is very unlikely that the person promoting the product actually uses it and it is assumed that people understand this, so even if I do not like people posting videos of themselves on YouTube winning a lot of money only to discover they were acting, this is no different than what we see already with ads on television, so it is going to be impossible to regulate it, regardless of how unethical we may think it is.

Even if their place ads is so unethical the regulatory bodies will not regulate it its because the company who do just reason out that they do that for entertainment and educational purposes about their games offered so we cannot expect that this activity will stop since its normal for casino to do this for hyping up their casino. For this matters its really up to us how we take thise promotional videos since if we don't let ourselves be entertained by them for sure we can avoid expecting much to win and hit by expectation vs reality scenario while playing.

There were no regulatory bodies that do handle out or including on the scope of laws with these kind of advertisement or marketing yet they dont really violate out something which you
dont really have any choice but to be depending on  your own personal jurisdiction or own views which would really be needing some right action on dealing with it.
If you do see that its not already ethical then its up to someones personal own point of view and decisions would be made.

The only thing you need to know when you are up to playing games of chance, which are purely luck based, like slots, for instance, is that no strategy can guarantee your not loosing all your money, and that no luck can help you if the gambling site you are playing on is a scam. Well, that's two things, actually, but that's all you need to know. The videos OP is talking about will become harmless to you if you know those two things.

I can confirm that and moreover, this refers to all games that you can find in casino. Even bj relies on luck as the hand may be too bad to win. When you play poker, you can bluff, but in online casino poker bluffing means nothing:)

You are right, it is as I said before, more than 6 months ago I followed a YouTuber, whose NFT game recommendations were paramount, because on his channel he said many times when both NFT and Token pre-sales were going to be, and if you managed to subscribe to the premium channel you have the option of giving you each pre-sale and each new project for investment, but it was all a business model, because as he is an influencer, the devs contacted him to do the required publicity and so on he won, despite the fact that it would quickly become a scam.

That's a good analogy. It seems that these type of marketing strategies are always targeting the youngest and least experienced, who throw away great wads of money in an attempt to copy their virtual heroes. We see a similar occurring with NFT's, it's turned into a crazy game where instead of buying supposedly valuable art, people are buying little animated avatars for thousands of dollars. This rubbish would not have even sold for a couple dollars a few years ago and suddenly they are turning around an reselling further copies on to followers. It's not even like buying a virtual weapon in a game to get an advantage, it's literally bragging rights to "owning" an image which the print screen button on any keyboard could recreate.

Do not believe everything that you see or that you read about online. Social media has proven to be a source for fake news and posts that are downright fraudulent. While I totally agree that we should be smart with online and social media, I'm also saying that it shouldn't be about having trust issues, it's about being smart to avoid being caught in scams and to protect yourself. For that, you can use your eyes, your common sense and your good judgment.

It is mostly the newbies in gambling that falls for the trap of listening to fake youtube influencers who are just after the money they will get in promoting gambling site, even with the game mindset. I think it is very important for newbies to look at what they want and where they can get good direction to what they want.