Seriously wtf is wrong with this exchange. Its like there is only a buy button and it can only go up. Other exchanges go down $30 and it goes down $1. Then it goes up $20. f you try to trade here you get screwed.

I'm not an economist, but aren't there better reasons to believe BTC are going up in the long term sense?

I'm thinking of the deflationary nature of the currency, the intrinsic value in the unique attributes of cryptocurrency, the decreasing stability of fiat issuers, etc.. ?

I am testing this in fooplot.com but it still looks exponential. A superexponential growth would look like a line curving upwards in the log-chart, and there is nothing like that, only straight lines, steeper with greater exponents, granted.

Not convinced until I see a year+ graph.

lol, the chunks are discrete in order to aid our feeble brains in comprehending the perception of time, not the time itself. The chunks only exists in your linear human brain. No one was stating that the laws of quantum and/or temporal physics are in or can be represented by discrete units of chunks! RELATIVE TO HUMAN LINEAR UNDERSTANDING/PERCEPTION OF SPACE-TIME, IT IS POSSIBLE TO DIVIDE OR PERCEPTION OF TIME INTO DISCRETE CHUNKS! JESUS TAP DANCING CHRIST THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC AND WE SHOULD HAVE A 40 PAGE ARGUMENT ABOUT IT!

Besides, where will I find this so-called local quantum physicist?

Way too many LMAO

Okay, whaa whaa whaa...take this to some other thread.  We're speculating on bitcoin, not who's panties are in a tighter bunch.  Please, for the love of the flying spaghetti monster, find a different place to play.

no, my issue was just with referring to Americans as people from the u.s.    i'd rather not argue over that, but felt it was necessary since your assertions about entitlements (and thus, their relation to "arrogance") are relative to the context of the u.s. and thus have very limited application. part of the issue, also, is that our proposed escape plans are likely quite different.

i don't have much of an opinion of u.s. citizens really. but the consensus about them is well established. i also don't buy the capitalist-socialist dichotomy... as it's commonly illustrated.

i think the perceived arrogance of people from the US is much due to US exceptionalism, yes -- i was making that point because that is what non-US folks are exposed to. but i am talking about the dictionary definition of "arrogance".

sure, there is great wealth inequality in the u.s. that doesn't mean there isn't far greater wealth inequality elsewhere, such as in South America. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Gini_Coefficient_World_CIA_Report_2009.svg

it also doesn't speak to the effect of historic exploitation of the southern hemisphere by the north. over 53% of world net worth (based on PPP) is concentrated in North America and Europe, which has less then 15% of world population. when we talk about wealth inequality, surely comparing that of the u.s. with that of that of bolivia is sort of ridiculous, right? are we talking about being entitled to basic human necessities, perhaps education? or are we talking about being entitled to a basic minimum income? or big screen tvs? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth

in the u.s., when people complain about entitlements, i hear complaints about people buying big screen tvs with welfare checks. (i take that with grain of salt) surely, you don't think that these are the sort of entitlements that Brazilians seek? that they are arrogant for fighting for? especially given the nature of wealth inequality?

am i arrogant for fighting for a better education system for my children? i must feel so self-important?  

it's one thing if the state does not exists. it's another thing if the state will exists for the forseeable future, and exploits, and allows exploitation. in the latter case, i think it is only reasonable for people to try to reform the state, to legally prescribe what had once been unwritten -- their ownership, their rights, their dignity. even if i do not support reformism. i still do not see this as arrogance. someone who is arrogant by definition does not see themselves as equal to others.

We got movement!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/fec-donors-cant-use-bitcoins-for-contributions/2013/11/21/53764d46-52ca-11e3-9ee6-2580086d8254_story.html

Any way of shorting the US?

But the FEC isn’t yet sold on allowing bitcoins to funnel into the bank accounts of political campaigns and outside groups supporting them, and commissioners deadlocked 3-3 along party lines Thursday.

corporations have not stripped u.s. bare, not nearly like elsewhere in the world. if you believe that, then i understand why you hold these opinions -- being from the u.s., whose corporations and government have bled the rest of the world far, far, far more than you and yours. more than you can probably imagine, from the sound of it.

i do not support statism. but i don't cater to this "two wrongs don't make a right" bullshit either. when people have been stolen from for years and generations, i do not judge them for trying to take a piece back. i find that right libertarians say to me, "sure, we agree, fuck the state. but everything that was taken from you as a result? it's for the rich now (who profited from the state), now go pull yourself up by the bootstraps." fuck that. are Palestinians arrogant for protesting the repeated theft of their land? once Israeli settlers take to such land, it becomes theirs, in their eyes. Palestinians are arrogant for feeling entitled to what was stolen from them? i imagine you say yes.

thinking that the whole of humanity is important enough that we rise up against the few that oppress us, again, is not arrogant in the least. even right libertarians would support such a notion, i would think. arrogance is about self-importance, self-entitlement. socialism has never been about that, except maybe for people in the u.s listening to repulicans. i imagine the people who want "government handouts" in the u.s. don't even know what socialism entails. they are just poor.

the "arrogance" of people in the u.s. has absolutely nothing to do with this. when people complain about people from the u.s., it is generally because they hardly recognize the rest of the world exists, and think they are superior to everyone else. this is very far removed from what you are suggesting about the "arrogance" of others. again, i think you are misusing the word. an inflated sense of self-importance has nothing to do with one's political philosophies -- political philosophies are not based in analyses of self. i've met many arrogant anarchists. i've met many arrogant capitalists.

i think there has been reports of fans either coming unhooked or not working. I would pull cover off and check . Also make sure both power cords have power.

The dude made half a million bucks.  I would be happy....

a handout? talk to me when corporations destroy your homeland, make your air unbreathable, destroy your rain forests and kill off your wildlife, all the while paying workers less and less and less? one of the reasons education systems continue to crumble is due to widespread corporate tax avoidance. they take and take and destroy our cultures bit by bit, and it's handout when we say things must change, else they must pay for the privilege? the game was rigged from the start -- fuck a handout. that term is inappropriate when the game was rigged against the poor.

having an opinion that may differ from yours regarding the limits of human dignity and of theft/exploitation, does not make a person arrogant. it is a difference of opinion. arrogance has to due with perception of one's own importance. if one favors equality, to whatever extent, that indicates the polar opposite -- that the importance of others equals their own. in other words, you are very much misusing the word.

I am!  

but i was being sarcastic...

rest assured i have been sleeping fine and am not manic right now... the market is tho!

I like it that some of the old timers are still regularly posting on this thread ... if anywhere from grows a bitcoin island it will be this thread 

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