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121  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-09-18] Bitcoin Core Developer Jeff Garzik Believes NXT is a “Scamcoin” on: September 26, 2014, 01:06:49 PM
To me , anybody talking about bitcoin 2.0 sounds like microsoft talking about web 2.0.
There is no such thing as web 2.0.
There is only one web that 's open to improvements through RFCs and a browser upgrade.
Bitcoin is open to improvements through BIPS and a wallet upgrade.
Only banksters-scammers are anxious to make money with altcoins.
Altcoins are experimental chains (even more experimental than Bitcoin is) and should not be "marketed".
Marketing is dead or should be killed.
Long live growth hacking.
And yes, Jeff Garzik is mostly right in is assesment of altcoins.

122  Local / Discussions générales et utilisation du Bitcoin / Re: Comment adhérer à l'association Bitcoin France? on: September 25, 2014, 01:36:52 PM
Concernant la conférence, je crois que la clarification est en cours (cf ce thread)
123  Local / Vos sites et projets / Re: L'association Bitcoin France on: September 20, 2014, 09:24:17 PM
@hdbuck
Je partage vos réserves concernant la société en question même si l'usage du gras, du rouge et de la taille xxl pour la police de caractères n'est pas indispensable  à ce stade.
L'association n'a pas vocation selon moi à promouvoir des sociétés qui n'apportent pas un service utile aux bitcoiners.
Pour le moment, j'attend la confirmation que cette société a payé son sponsoring et, si oui, comment elle est financée alors qu'elle n'a pas encore de clients.
124  Local / Discussions générales et utilisation du Bitcoin / Re: La véritable problématique du bitcoin on: September 15, 2014, 12:20:18 PM
c'est-à-dire qu'il n'a aucune valeur intrinsèque

Tout comme l'or, et contrairement à de la nourriture, le Bitcoin n'a aucune valeur intrinsèque.
La valeur intrinsèque n'existe pas, même pour de la nourriture.
Tout a une valeur RELATIVE et non intrinsèque.
La valeur est relative au CONTEXTE.
Par exemple, si stock de nourriture périssable  existe à un endroit où il n'y a pas assez de clients et pas de moyens de transport, la valeur de la nourriture peut tomber à zéro voire devenir négative (payer les gens pour qu'ils débarrassent l'entrepôt).
De même, la valeur d'un logement peut devenir négative: dans un certain contexte, on pourrait payer pour démolir le logement et libérer le terrain pour un autre usage à la place.

Ce n'est pas pour cela que son prix de marché ne peut pas se stabiliser.

Je recommande de lire Nicolas Taleb: Antifragile.
La volatilité du cours du bitcoin signifie que sa volatilité n'a pas été transférée: Bitcoin est antifragile; il est plus fort quand il prend des coups.
Lorsqu'un noeud du réseau disparait, les autres noeuds sont renforcés.
le cours de l'euro est relativement stable parce que le système bancaire transfère son risque aux autres acteurs économiques.
Par conséquent le système bancaire est fragile (selon la théorie développée par Taleb): la chute d'une banque affaibli tout le système.

On peut choisir ou alterner entre un système fragile qui maintient un de ses indicateurs stables (stabilité des prix en euros) ou bien un système anti-fragile (bitcoin) qui encaisse ses hauts et ses bas.
On peut prédire que le cours du bitcoin va se stabiliser quand il y aura des acteurs institutionnels qui vont tout faire pour transférer le risque de leurs activités à d'autres acteurs économiques.
125  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Core 0.9.2.1 has been released on: September 15, 2014, 10:58:47 AM

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this release:

- Addy Yeow
- Altoidnerd
- Andrea D'Amore
- Andreas Schildbach
- Bardi Harborow
- Brandon Dahler
- Bryan Bishop
- Chris Beams
- Christian von Roques
- Cory Fields
- Cozz Lovan
- daniel
- Daniel Newton
- David A. Harding
- ditto-b
- duanemoody
- Eric S. Bullington
- Fabian Raetz
- Gavin Andresen
- Gregory Maxwell
- gubatron
- Haakon Nilsen
- harry
- Hector Jusforgues
- Isidoro Ghezzi
- Jeff Garzik
- Johnathan Corgan
- jtimon
- Kamil Domanski
- langerhans
- Luke Dashjr
- Manuel Araoz
- Mark Friedenbach
- Matt Corallo
- Matthew Bogosian
- Meeh
- Michael Ford
- Michagogo
- Mikael Wikman
- Mike Hearn
- olalonde
- paveljanik
- peryaudo
- Philip Kaufmann
- philsong
- Pieter Wuille
- R E Broadley
- richierichrawr
- Rune K. Svendsen
- rxl
- shshshsh
- Simon de la Rouviere
- Stuart Cardall
- super3
- Telepatheic
- Thomas Zander
- Torstein Husebø
- Warren Togami
- Wladimir J. van der Laan
- Yoichi Hirai



Thanks to everyone in the core team. Tip sent to op.
126  Local / Échanges / Re: Et encore un echange qui passe du coté obscure on: September 11, 2014, 12:50:22 PM
Je refuse les tracasseries administratives.
C'est de la phobie administrative ?
Je déteste aussi les atteintes à la vie privée et c'est pourquoi Paymium travaille dans le long terme pour le développement de Bitcoin qui serait menacé si les scandales du type mt gox se multipliaient.
Le raisonnement qui consiste à dire, si un exchange non-régulé ferme j'en utiliserai un autre, ne tient pas dans la durée.
127  Local / Échanges / Re: Et encore un echange qui passe du coté obscure on: September 10, 2014, 03:35:29 PM
Oui mais j'aimerai bien acheter des BTC avec mes fiats.

à partir de 500 euros (toute opération) ... il faut obligatoirement des justificatifs si tu retire (même vers SEPA).
toutes les exchanges, maintenant, se plient aux normes tracfin (identifier les mouvements d'entrées sur les comptes clients).
wow 15€ min de frais de virement SEPA, bon, c'est en dessous des 5% si je fais un virement de 500 mais ils se gavent. Smiley
Chez Paymium, les virements entrants (dépôts) sont gratuits. C'est seulement 0.99€ pour un virement sortant.
Quant aux tracasseries administratives, il faut retenir que MOINS il y en a PLUS GRANDES sont les chances que l'exchange en question FERME à cause du régulateur ou des fraudeurs (qui exploitent l'absence de contrôle sérieux pour arnaquer l'exchange). Donc si Bitcurex ou un autre exchange non régulé (kraken, bitstamp, etc) ferme, il ne faudra pas être surpris. Ce sont tous des mt gox en puissance.
Paymium a fait le choix de la pérennité et de la sécurité.
128  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: satoshin@gmx.com is compromised on: September 10, 2014, 02:14:02 PM
Question is... how does a kid who is in high school, get doxed and continue screaming about his accomplishments... hack Satoshi.. *sips coffee*


The "forgot your password" security question on Satoshi's gmx email is "what day are you born". With no lockout mechanism for brute force attempts, 36500 possible answers for anyone alive, and given a bot that can guess even 5% of the captchas shown, it's no surprise that it was compromised by anyone determined.

Unless there is a second factor authentication on the account..
129  Local / Actualité et News / Re: Revue de presse bitcoin en français on: June 20, 2014, 08:19:12 AM
Un article de France Drummond (prof de droit à Assas) dans le Bulletin Joly Bourse de mai 2014:
http://www.e-ducat.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/140617-Article-Juridique.pdf
130  Local / Le Bitcoin et la loi / Re: Bitcoin et déclaration aux impôts on: June 16, 2014, 04:04:36 PM
Etre taxé sur de la monnaie virtuelle ou va le monde  Roll Eyes
"monnaie virtuelle" c'est le rêve de la BCE: leur monnaie serait "réelle" et le reste serait "virtuel".
En réalité, Bitcoin est un réseau numérique et bien réel.

Il ne faut pas tomber dans le panneau de la BCE.
C'est comme si Total te disait que le gaz de schiste est une énergie propre. On est pas obligé ni de les croire ni de reprendre les mots de la propagande.
131  Local / Hors-sujet / Re: Wanted Davout 400btc reward on: June 16, 2014, 03:54:36 PM
Je crois qu'il a su montrer qu'il possédait  (philneas) le compte et la somme de BTC dessus.

Tu crois  ou tu sais ?
En fait tu n'en as aucune idée mais tu donnes du crédit à un individu (Phineus) qui n'a jamais rien fait d'autre pour Bitcoin que poster des insinuations haineuses sur ce forum.
Intéresses toi plutôt à ceux qui font avancer Bitcoin.
132  Local / Actualité et News / Re: Bitcoin Hackathon @ LMDB 13-15 juin 2014, sponsorisé par Paymium et Coinbase on: June 16, 2014, 03:49:11 PM
Nous avons été ravis de vous accueillir ce week-end pour le premier Hackathon Bitcoin en France. Pas moins de 42 codeurs pour 15 projets pitchés ce dimanche !
Gros succès! Bravo aux codeurs et aux organisateurs.
133  Local / Économie et spéculation / Re: Taux négatifs de la BCE on: June 06, 2014, 03:40:42 PM
Grâce à la BCE, l'Euro est maintenant une monnaie fondante  Cheesy
134  Local / Actualité et News / Re: Challenges - les grandes intox de l'innovation (dont bitcoin) on: May 23, 2014, 04:24:02 PM
Il y a un thread Revue de presse en français: inutile de créer un topic à chaque article svp, surtout un article aussi nul.
Le gars parle de propagande en oubliant de rappeler qu'en face les banques dépensent 2 milliards d'euros par an dans les médias, rien qu'en eFrance, pour véhiculer le message "j'aime ma banque".
Avec un budget pareil, elles tiennent tous les patrons de journaux et de tv.
C'est deux fois plus que le montant des aides publiques au cinéma français.
Je ne parle pas des 1200 lobbyistes déclarés banque et assurance à Bruxelles..
En face, il y a quelques start ups et surtout des dev bénévoles.
135  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Consuming Too Much Energy? on: May 20, 2014, 12:07:05 PM
Bitcoin is more energy efficient as a mutualized infrastructure compared to redundant, proprietary data centers, office buildings, workstations, trucks, ATM, etc required by legacy monetary systems.
If mining happens at home, the energy dissipated by mining can be repurposed to useful applications (like heating), assuming mining ibecomes somewhat regional and seasonal.
Look how http://www.qarnot-computing.com illustrates my point.

However, PoW alt-coins are wasting energy because the energy consumption each alt-network is adding does not result in a more secure network.
For instance, litecoin is still one million times less secure than bitcoin.
From a security stand point, spreading hashing power over multiple networks is less efficient than concentrating it on the bitcoin network.

Multi-purpose mining à la primecoin is a security vulnerability because it creates conflicting incentives for mining centralization. The more the secondary purpose is profitable, the more likely a mining pool is  to cross the 51% line which destroys the value of the block mining.
136  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it neccessary to 'test' new cold storage? Is there such thing as invalid key? on: May 14, 2014, 02:54:44 PM
I've made several cold storage keys (Well not nearly as many as Casascius!) and several of the ones I have made were duds. The way I test them (there's probably a better way) is to send a few microbitcoins to them and then look up the address on the blockchain. If you find the address on the blockchain it's usually good. If it doesn't show up then it's not.

Actually, yes and no.
You can find a valid bitcoin address in the blockchain for which there is no known private key. An example is 1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE.
However, if you derived the bitcoin address from a private key, then you can spend the coins with the private key.
137  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blockchain Electronic Votes on: May 13, 2014, 09:54:20 PM
What's to stop someone from voting multiple times from multiple addresses?  Would this require registration of a BTC address with a voting commission?  Does .0001 BTC = 1 vote?
Each one of the N voters is identified by a public key KeyA supplied by the organizer.
When N multi-signature addresses have been registered by the organizers, they stop the registration and publish the list of registered addresses.
At that point, if a voter complains that she could not register her mutli-signature address, then there must be a cheater who has registered multiple addresses.
To prevent this, each voter must be required to send to the organizer a message stating that she registered a multi-sig address (without any mention of said address of course), signed with the private key corresponding to her public key KeyB.
In the event of an investigation, the controller requests the public KeyB from each voter and checks their message signature.
The controller request also an anonymous list of all public keys KeyC from each candidate.
If KeyB and KeyA can be combined with one of the public keys KeyC to build a script that hashes to one of the registered multi-sig address, then everything is OK. If there is a match with two or more multi-sig addresses, the voter cheated and must be excluded from the new round of voter registration.
Note that the controller must perform NxN hash computations but that's a small price to pay for the investigation process to preserve the privacy of the votes.

Would it be simpler to just create a new block chain and wallet for each election cycle?
It's probably simpler to use an existing blockchain.
Besides, no other blockchain comes close to the Bitcoin blockchain in terms of protection against a 51% attack.
Creating a new blockchain dedicated to a particular vote amounts to requesting the voters to trust more the organizers: they could take control of the new blockchain, mine some votes, drop some other votes. However, this would only disrupt the counting for a while: in the end, the votes would go though over time.
138  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Blockchain Electronic Votes on: May 13, 2014, 01:20:34 PM
The fields of application for secure electronic transactions is very large. An electronic transaction is nothing more than a digitally signed message .
Therefore , we can consider electronic voting via the Bitcoin blockchain .

Before the invention of Bitcoin , electronic voting solutions were not satisfactory because they were not easily auditable and not sufficiently transparent neither for candidates nor for voters . In addition, they require a costly, labor intensive set up.
With the Bitcoin Blockchain, any community can organize a free, secure electronic voting.
Initially, associations or listed corporations might consider using this technology for elections or general assemby voting of their members or shareholders.
Here's how it might unfold for an association :

1) Know the list of candidates :
Each candidate (C) provides a public key KeyC to the voter and publishes everywhere a Bitcoin address like 1Martin.. for candidate Martin.
For the secrecy of each ballot, each KeyC is different for each voter, so the candidate must generate N public keys KeyC for N voters.
Each candidate should be required by the organizers to publish the Merkle root of a hash tree comprising all of the public keys KeyC he supplied.
Each voter should be able to check her branch of the hash tree, linking her keyC to the root.

2) Check the list of voters
Each voter (B) also receives from the association ( A) a public key KeyA which is listed on the site.
The voters list can be independently verified by all parties because everyone can check that she/he is on the list and make sure that the number of listed public keys is equal to the number of members in the association. The public key should be random and should not be on the Bitcoin elliptic curve bitcoin to prevent the organizers ( the association) from producing a valid signature. This precaution is also independently verifiable and reduces the need to trust the organizers .

3) Prepare the ballot
Before election day, with the public keys , the voter creates a 2-of-3 multi-signature address and sends to it a 0.001 BTC  micro-transaction (about the price of a postage stamp ) to prepare her/his ballot which is now logged in the blockchain .
The output (destination ) of her/his micro-transaction looks like this:
Code:
OP_HASH160 Hash OP_EQUAL

where Hash is the hash calculated by the bitcoin wallet from the following (SerializedScript) script:
Code:
OP_0 OP_2 KeyA KeyB KeyC OP_3 OP_CHECKMULTISIG

This transaction is compliant with BIP-16.
The voter enters the address on the website of the association without having to identify herself/himself : the website validates the address by checking it received a 0.001 BTC transaction .
The amount of the micro-transaction is meant to mitigate the risk of a denial of service attack on election day: the ballots have a negligible cost to each voter but  the cost is still prohibitive for spammers.
The amount of the micro-transactions can also be sent by candidates back to needy voters or be counted as contributions to the association.

4) Put the ballot in the ballot box
On election day , candidate Martin creates a signature SignatureC that spends the output of the multi signature micro-transaction ( 0.001 BTC) to an address V that he controls and publishes SignatureC and V next to the 2-of-3 multi-signature address on record on the association site. Since the V address is different for each multi-signature address , it is impossible to link a multi-signature address ( a voter ) to a candidate.
With SignatureC and V , the voter can now confirm her/his vote (put her/his ballot in the ballot box) by creating her/his signature SignatureB of the same transaction and publishing on the Bitcoin network the valid transaction combining her/his signature with that of the candidate without revealing her/his identity ( secret ballot ) .
The transaction to address V includes the following input:
Code:
SignatureB SignatureC SerializedScript

At this stage, only the candidate and the voter know that V belongs to Martin so that the voting results are not yet known.
Candidates can not know to whom is intended the multi-signature address prepared by the voter so that each candidate must provide a different address for each voter.

If the address provided by Martin was the same for all voters , the voting results would be known before the processing stage with the risk of influencing the votes not yet cast.
Incidentally, this system uses an advantage of a digital signature compared to a manual signature: a digital signature identifies its author only with her consent , when she reveals her identity.

5) Counting of election results
At the end of election day, candidate Martin simply transfers the bitcoins from the address V to the address 1Martin ..
Now everyone knows that the address V belongs to Martin and can count the votes for each candidate via the blockchain :
Each registered mutli-signature address (representing a voter) which can be connected to 1Martin .. with a transaction from a V address is a vote in favor of Martin .
The votes, while preserving the secrecy of the ballots, are perfectly verifiable by candidates and voters , independently of any organization, with open source software and with the Blockchain, a public, secure database.
Your comments are welcome.

Pierre Noizat
139  Local / Hors-sujet / Re: "Bitcoin pour des votes gratuits et vérifiables" de Pierre Noizat on: May 12, 2014, 04:30:57 PM
Avec l'arrivée des "colored coins" (www.coinprism.com), il me semble que l'organisation de votes via la blockchain pourrait devenir facile.
Désolé, mais je ne vois pas le rapport entre le sujet du thread et les colored coins.
140  Local / Vos sites et projets / Re: L'association Bitcoin France on: May 12, 2014, 07:43:18 AM

Bitcoin n'est pas "démocratique".

le bitcoin était démocratique jusqu'à l'apparition des asics.
l'intention de Satoshi était celle; malheureusement, c'est développé une haschgarchie (oligarchie dell'hasch).
les bonnes intentions sont souvent corrompus par la cupidité humaine.
En effet, Bitcoin ne résout pas TOUS les problèmes, en particulier ne fait pas disparaitre la cupidité par magie..

Quote
Rien compris.
Quelle démocratie? On vote pour qui? comment? Où?
Pourquoi parles-tu de corruption? Connais-tu les motivations de Satoshi?
En quoi les asics sont-ils le mal? Leur puissance sécurise le réseau, c'est très positif.

Bref, un gloubi-boulga sans queue ni tête de quelqu'un qui a projeté ses opinions sur une technologie et qui est déçu de comprendre soudain que Bitcoin n'est pas le messie qu'il attendait.
Elections n'est pas synonyme de démocratie.
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