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1361  Other / Meta / How to unlock sMerits Potential and a step towards stopping Merit abuse. on: October 04, 2018, 06:47:44 AM
During my analysis in last thread sMerits,Merits and quality : Where the gap lies? , I come to the conclusion that not all the sMerits were used by Merit Sources. Merit Sources also have difficultly in finding the quality post in which they can award Merits. In short, We lost sMerits for that month and almost 2x Merits that can be potentially generated by them.

Instead of lapsing these sMerits, we can rollover these sMerits and equally distribute  these sMerits to the Merit sources who are able to use their quota fully. (Do not tell me that none of the Merit source is able to use his/her quota fully. In this case, we should increase Merit Source (not sMerits) so that we have more eyes to find a good post buried in spam for awarding Merits.)

Currently, Merit is somewhat analogous to the "Chain Effect" and stopping the chain (not able to award all sMerits) is somewhat hurting the system.

Second concern is related to the Merit abuse. It look like most of the air dropped sMerits are used but still some people have stock of them and they misuse them time to time. Now system is almost 9 month old, I think we should scrap all the airdropped sMerits and put them back in pool for Merit sources to award them.

I will also like to suggest to wipe the sMerits as Theymos wipes the Merit history in profile after 120 days. sMerits generated today should be used in next 120 days otherwise they will also move to sMerits allocation pool. If somebody have only .5 sMerits left then that user can be exempted and  user 120 days cycle will start when user have 1 sMerit to award.

We can also create a sMerit sink where user can dump their sMerits if they are feeling burden in awarding the Merits and these sMerits will again go and add up in sMerit allocation and equally distributed to the merit source.
1362  Other / Meta / Re: Appeal for "Full Member " rank Banned account( Please reply admin) on: October 03, 2018, 04:36:16 PM
Oh.. the little brother excuse, I thought people would be over that.

Yup, a new addition in Meta after recent father, Son, husband and wive featuring.

Somebody giving the account to somebody else for earning purpose cannot be trusted at all.
You already took this forum as an employment exchange and motivated your "said younger brother" to took this forum as an employment.

Tell your younger brother too, no more job exists for you and him in this forum and "we should find meaningful job together".
1363  Other / Meta / Re: Evolution of rank names on: October 03, 2018, 04:17:53 PM
Did satohsi decide the rank names or have they been done individually since then?
Also, has it always been Brand new, newbie, jr member, member, full member, sr member, hero member and legendary member or were there any changes along the way in order to reach this? (Reason I ask is that the 'full member' rank title to me always looks a bit out of place and trange in comparison to all of the other rank titles)?


Actually "Full Member" Rank was in place when Theymos decided , that he need one more rank between Jr.Member and Full Member rank. So he created the "Member" Rank. Sounds weird but it is true.


Edit:

Maybe I'll add a new group between Jr. Member and Full member. What should it be called?

Maybe just... 'Member'?
1364  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why wait until PUMP? on: October 02, 2018, 03:19:07 PM
Our team of investors successfully made a 233% profit by performing leveraged trading of ETH to purchase QNT, a low-cap altcoin that we were able to pump up over 100% in one week. This team plans to do the same by leveraging BTC and ETH volatility while making massive buys of a small altcoin in the CoinExchange.io platform.- t.me/iblockchainglobal


Volume in coinexchange.io sucks, might be you converted $1 into $2.23 and started advertising as 223% gain.They have so many coins that do not have even $1 volume.

 Anyway I do not find that specified "QNT" coin. Are you making fool of people?
1365  Other / Meta / Re: sMerits,Merits and quality : Where the gap lies? on: October 02, 2018, 06:03:33 AM
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Let’s be the devils advocate here:
Say each sMerit, out of the 19.500 max. potential distributed Merit Source sMerits, goes to 19.500 new distinct receivers. Those 19.500 users will now have 1 sMerit. Let’s say they never receive anymore sMerits. In this extreme case, the 19,5K batch will have originated 19,5K sMerits exactly, with no halvings, therefore going nowhere near the potential maximum of 39k.

The truth is somewhere in between, but it depends on two factors:
- How branched the awarded sMerits go (the more branches (the wider the tree), the further away from potential maximum).
- If the receiver sends the halvings on to another person or not.


 I got you, that ideal potential is difficult to reach but below calculation is not giving any encouraging results. let me show you again.

19500 smerits available for period of 30 days.
so for 28 days 19500/30*28  =18200 sMerits are available.

Merit distributions for 28 days period starting from    23-07-2018 to 19-08-2018 =3809+3489+4199+3767=15264
Even I assume your theory that only Merit source merited, still their is deficit of 18200-15264  =2936  merits

Merit distributions for 28 days period starting from 20-08-2018 to  16-09-2018 =3763+3136+3536+3586=14021
Even I assume your theory that only Merit source merited, still their is deficit of 18200-14021 =4179 merits.

It is very evident, that Source merits did not used their quota fully at least for the period of these 56 days.


If anyone knows of any posts deserving merits, feel free to send me a PM with links.  If what you link to are complete shitposts, I'll block future PMs from you.  And please realize I have fairly high standards when deciding to hand out merits.
Instead of PMs, I like you to run some open challenge like actmyname did it. Will review atleast 20 post before Meriting. If post are found shitpost, then  a neutral tag of shit posting will be awarded. 90% user who are making hue and cry for Merit,will not enter your challenge.

--snip--
I think we both have same end conclusion but a different way of saying the things. Merit source reading 20000 post and not finding the quality post is an issue. But in other hand I think average users who become members after accumulating 10+ merit is most clueless one because adding another 90 will become another story.  We all know "Not getting Merit" is not equal to "spamming" but in eyes of Merit System both become equal.

Good topic and very instructive - thank you.
You are welcome.  If you go through these stats, you will find one more eye opener.
With all the Merit abuse happened in this forum, users giving 50 merits to ANN threads ,we have only 876 users that earned 50 or 50+ merit in last 8 months.





1366  Other / Meta / Re: Number of Merits generated (mathematically) on: October 02, 2018, 04:59:48 AM
All these calculations to come up with 46088 instead of 46090?
 
I did manual calculation for 50 sMerits and I come to result of 98. So I am not doubting the mathematics and my formula.
My point is: just double the total amount of sMerit, and you're (almost) at the right number. You end up 2 sMerits lower. But it might just as well be send to users who already had 0.5 sMerit, meaning a few more sMerit becomes available.
Just doubling it makes the calculations much easier, and the rounding depends on various circumstances anyway.

I got your sentiments. For a  big number "X",  2X-2 ,2X-1 and 2X  all have approximately same values so you can continue with 2X for sake of simplicity.
1367  Other / Meta / Re: We are about 50 applications away from the 2,000,000th listed member on: October 01, 2018, 10:08:33 AM
We have very inflated count of user in this forum.
Most established user have 1 account and 1 Alt.
few user creating atleast 5-6 users before actually understanding the "evil IP" fees.
Banned users creating one more user, to ask about their ban in Meta.
Sorry, No count/idea, how many users do a average bounty hunter can have, but somebody suggested me 100.
1368  Other / Meta / Re: sMerits,Merits and quality : Where the gap lies? on: October 01, 2018, 09:51:15 AM
Hmmmm I see you doing research on merit when we should be protecting bitcoin from getting centralized.

Actually , not exactly Merits, I am enjoying the little Analytics.

Anyways, Merit is not the only subject, for which I created threads. Feel free to see yourself.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5031553.msg45852135#msg45852135
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4963287.msg44753415#msg44753415
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4861485.msg43808862#msg43808862
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4809044.msg43381460#msg43381460
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4460377.msg39951184#msg39951184
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3362307.msg35216061#msg35216061
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2970157.msg30515162#msg30515162
1369  Other / Meta / sMerits,Merits and quality : Where the gap lies? on: October 01, 2018, 09:31:04 AM
This thread is inspired by questions asked on my own thread Number of Merits generated (mathematically) ,sMerit participants – a worrying descending trend (!/?) by DdmrDdmr and a request for becoming "Merit Source" application that pops up in Meta every week.

I will  start with Merit Source "sMerits" and the potential to generate Merits mathematically, leaving all "Air dropped" merits behind.

When we have 80 merit source they have 17800 smerits =>  potential to generate 35588 merits.
When we have 84 merit source they have 19500 smerits =>  potential to generate 38998 merits. (Not sure about when they are increased
 in June or before, but they are definitely  increased  in July.)

When we have 120 merit source they have 23045 smerits =>  potential to generate 46088 merits.
(For understanding the calculation , visit  Number of Merits generated (mathematically) )


Now , I will like to use the below graph/image by DdmrDdmr to continue my analysis.


Awarded Merit graph

 
I will start analyzing data from month of April, believing in 2 months all "Air dropped" smerits were used. (I know my assumption is wrong but definitely majority of "Air dropped" sMerits were used.)

02-04-2018 to 29-04-2018 =6542+5946+4449+4820=21757 ( Potential unlocked 21757/35888*100 = 60.62 % +7%=67.62 (added 7% because data
                                                                                            is of 28 days period, instead of 30 )

For May month
30-04-2018 to 27-05-2018 = 5043+4685+4431+3903=18062 (Potential unlocked 18062/35888*100 = 50.32% +7% =57.32)

For June Month (partially includes May)
28-05-2018 to  24-06-2018 = 4248+4473+3953+4574=17248 (Potential unlocked 17248/35888*100 = 48.06% +7% =55.06)

For July Month.(include one week from June)
25-06-2018 to 22-07-2018 = 4684+4367+4109+4277=17437(Potential unlocked 17437/38998*100 = 44.71% +7% =51.71)

For August Month.(include one week from July)
23-07-2018 to 19-08-2018 =3809+3489+4199+3767=15264 (Potential unlocked 17437/38998*100 = 39.14% +7% =46.14)

For September Month.(include one week from August)
20-08-2018 to  16-09-2018 =3763+3136+3536+3586=14021 (Potential unlocked 14021/38998*100 = 35.95% +7% =42.95)

The percentage marked in red color simply means, that Merit generated overall are less than the quota of the Source merits. (Or not all sources used their source merits completely)

Before we all, start accusing Merit Sources for not using the source merit completely, I like you to look the below statements from them:

It's no good looking on the beginner's or discussion boards. They are all about bounty and air drops and social networking stuff. I'd like to award members that are interested in Bitcoin and reputable crypto currencies, but I've almost given up trying to find them.


I have the same problem.  I need to get rid of sMerit.

I'm far down on this list, but I definitely support newbies IF they make good posts.  I've been hunting outside of Meta lately, looking for good ones by lower-ranked members (not just Newbies) and they are hard to find--and then there's the issue of having to check for plagiarism before giving someone merit.  I got burned once on this and almost got burned a couple of times, and it's annoying to say the least.

Incompetent and lazy people always blame others for their poverty and lack of success. This forum has more members trying to help people than any other forum I can think of. Note the use of the word "trying", it's water, horses and drinking again, I've stopped trying to help thirsty asses, and spend time with the members who make their own way to the water holes.

The Merit system is working just fine! What you call "people who need them", I call spammers. They are the reason we have the Merit system, and it's designed so they won't rank up.
To me, it doesn't matter whether or not someone "needs" Merit, I give Merit if the post is worth it.


theymos suggested that I'd give merits to some newbies in the forum who make good posts, but then I don't wanna waste too much time looking at threads for hours just to find one.  



The newbies that are here to learn won't care about merits, the newbies who want to rank up quick for the bounty moniez will..

I've tried to help newbies but only end up meriting senior members.

I feel that I ought to help junior or new members, but they are either on ignore, or they are hiding from me. Smiley





With  50 done so far  about 20000 posts looked more then 16750 were bounty facebook twitter etc.

and at least 2750 were low quality junk

Say less then 500 have a little something worth while.



Those who will still say that there is lack of Merit is actually overlooking that there is lack of quality in this forum.

People still applying for Merit Source position (due to their claim that there local board lacks merit source, then below is the reply from Theymos)

Only a few local sections don't have sources now.


So, my conclusion is simple, we do not need more Merit sources but some motivators that can guide the forum from shit to good. I know , it is somewhat impossible task , if bounties and Sig campaign exist.

One suggestion from my side for those who are still applying for Merit source.
Instead of quoting 10 meritable post, just quote 10 user whom you changed from shit poster to average poster.

To all , still complaining for Merits, You have to raise the standards, There is very less possibility that Merit Sources will lower the standards,They might be happy to let their sMerits unused, instead of meriting low quality. You might be lucky to trick them(or other users) for 1,2 or 10 Merits but not for 100+ Merits.


 







1370  Other / Meta / Re: Merit source application on: October 01, 2018, 06:13:25 AM

It is neutral  tag (not red). But I agree with you that "Merit Source" should not have any  tag like "Merit begging" associated with profile.

It is red:


I do no want to paste pictures, just click on trust. it is neutral for "Merit begging" and red trust is for "Trying to escrowing a $100K deal with no escrowing history + some ponzi thread creations"
1371  Other / Meta / Re: The merit does not come? on: October 01, 2018, 05:49:26 AM
You have insulted everyone / religion / tribe / race, you blame the Meta Forum rules:
You will be blocked.
You don't deserve here?

I checked the rules, I did not found any rule for banning for promoting communal/religion based hatred. I think it is time to add below rule in unofficial list of the rules:

Quote
No hatred against any community and religion

Ban the OP under this rule, or OP can be banned for trolling also.

If Mods is still undecided in banning OP, at least OP should be tagged.
1372  Other / Meta / Re: Merit source application on: October 01, 2018, 05:35:29 AM
Sorry I'm not one of those guys who's here to get merits. I'm here to read, learn and have fun.
That's fine, you can prove your point by stop chasing OP (He can be merit source or not, moderator or not.) Anyways it is not contributing to your learning.

You are a god of farming merit, and do it better than practically everyone else...

Your statement is not only attacking the OP, but it is also attacking the people who merited the OP. Merit is very subjective to nature,so we should leave this topic.

 
don't want to be rude, but how the hell do you expect to become a merit source with a red neutral tag saying "begging for merit" ?
It is neutral  tag (not red). But I agree with you that "Merit Source" should not have any  tag like "Merit begging" associated with profile.

OP, I can understand that your red tag was due to your lack of experience and stupidity but I will advice you to withdraw your application due to below reasons:

1. Tag does not look good in any profile. Tagged Merit Source will be big no from community.
2. We really got enough Merit Source, We are lacking quality ,I will appreciate if you will be able to take initiative on this field.
1373  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: which stablecoin will reign supreme? on: October 01, 2018, 04:05:23 AM
Actually, I did not like the idea of tether or any coin, that is trying to replace tether.  Since there are numerous reports that claim Tether is used for manipulating the price, so it does not make any sense to bring some other currency on same lines (Now, instead of tether this coin will be used for manipulation.)  Since most exchange already do KYC, IRS also accepts income from crypto currency then it is better to be "real dollar " there.

Just my point, I guess we should not mix "trading cryptocurrency" for profit with doing "anonymous  transactions" using crypto currency.
1374  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Google to Reverse Crypto Ad Ban for Exchanges Advertising in US, Japan on: October 01, 2018, 03:51:10 AM
For me this is a good move by Google since ICOs spend a large percentage for advertising and Google can monetize on this but then Google will not only benefit but also the ICO Companies because this will be a efficient way to attract potential investors since it has a wide scope of users.

You have to read  that article,they are no way going to advertise the ICO.  They are going to only advertise "Pre approved" advertisement. These advertisement  will be of mostly of already established business.

Anyway, Good to know about this article.
1375  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Bounty Question on: October 01, 2018, 03:23:31 AM
Is it normal that projects will not pay bounty rewards because their sales doesnt reached the target?

Is the bounty manager will be liable to here even its not in their control that ICO failed?

I want to joined Soc Med campaign but I read somewhere that some projects really dont pay at end because of ICO failure.

Most of the coins/token are scam, even if they pay you , their token will be worthless. It is very important to read Whitepaper and some due diligence before you do some bounty.Below article will give you some insight in spotting them.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5004397.0
 
1376  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Ask me any questions about Bitcoin Talk and posting on: October 01, 2018, 02:31:05 AM
I am confused with trust system. I see my trust setting, I understand who is in DT1 and DT2 but I did not understand the post in which people talk like X included Y, so Y become DT or X excluded Y , so Y dropped from DT. How we can able to see this trust list? Actually how many people in Theymos trust list?
1377  Other / Meta / Re: Can we expect some active mod in India forum? on: October 01, 2018, 01:55:10 AM
This can only be solved by the Admin appointed moderator but Benson is long time not active and as everyone knows that he is involved in Coinsecure exchange so i think he wont be back to his job as right now cryptocurrency is in the legal battle and till their is no result i think nothing will be solved.

Benson Samuel is no more the moderator of the Indian Board. (after Coinsecure scam/(or hack) not very sure). So right now Indian Board is without moderator. Few days back I look statistics of merits in Indian local board, look like they do not have merit source also.
I think both factors should be demotivating for anybody posting there.
1378  Economy / Invites & Accounts / Re: Bitcoin Account for Sale on: October 01, 2018, 01:35:01 AM
Just a advice/warning to all, who are thinking of buying the account that recently a purchased account is banned for plagiarism. So high probability that you  buy the account now and might be banned later on.
How you will justify the post history after buying the account?
I heard lot of instance where account seller scammed .

Keep all the facts in mind before you think about it.  


My special thing is :
I will replace the ACC by another
If anything happens to sold ACC.

A newbie account with negative trust is giving you guarantee, Seriously.
1379  Other / Meta / Re: Plagiarism Report. MOD PLEASE BAN on: September 29, 2018, 08:02:01 PM
quote the user's post to make the mods life easier.
I have already posted the links to the post. I think quoting the whole post of the users would just make the thread messy and hard to read.


You did the half work then, Where is the archival of the post in case they decide to change the post now.
1380  Other / Meta / Re: Report plagiarism (copy/pasting) here. Calling for Mod action: please permban on: September 29, 2018, 05:41:17 PM
cryptobitcoin9999

Ban Evasion. (self admittance that user is an alt account of already banned C0mrade4chan  for plagiarism )

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5040213.msg46316319#msg46316319
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