What if he encrypt the document?  Wouldn't that make it safe since you hack his gmail, you need axcrypt password?

For a second there... i thought you were serious... until i read more of it...

If i had that type of money in my US bank account, of course I would... unless im missing what you mean here?


But if you had that type of money in USDT, you would be concerned?  Because all i see in the last few years, tether has always been on par with the dollar... sure it might bee 0.98 at the worst i believe.. but arent you always going to pegged it to the dollar?  So are you saying its possible one day if someone has like 50000 usdt... then its possible on a day... that 50000 usdt could be worth half that or nothing?  Is that even possible?  If so, what could make it possible?  If btc is worth close to nothing?  Then again it should be on par with btc right?

HCP, im curious but do you leave your nano ledger s in the box?  I assume you dont leave it out in the open though in your apartment/house right?  Like you just dont leave it there in the open on the table with your computer and say your usb sticks etc?


I always felt if you put it in a safe ... well you going to need those silica packs inside it right?

Are there risk of you click on the link but do not do anything?  Example malware/keylogger?



Also there is always ppl that get scammed in things like this no matter what right?  Like always a few ppl?



Also, wouldn't those scammers get caught even if they use vpn etc?  And how do ppl like that make the coins they take legit?  Its not like yea i earned x amount of btc doing this etc like they are laundering it obviously somehow right?  And if so, wouldn't they mostly get caught?

Hasn't tether always been close to the dollar ever since?


So if someone had a ton of tether like 5000 usdt or 50000 usdt, shouldnt they feel safe though?

I mean usdt has been out a while already.  So if someone has a lot of usdt in their account... should they feel uncomforatble?  Imagine like 5k usdt or more.  Or say someone with 50k usdt or more for more serious uesrs.

With sending, I could imagine many ppl make mistake right?  Example you mean to copy/paste a btc address to someone new or someone, but accidentally pasted someone else's address and pasted it and sent them the btc.  I assume that happens a ton with ppl by mistake right?  Whether its btc ot bch or any other coin?  But in those instances, I assume assuming you don't know that person personally... then you can't ask them... hey i accidentally sent you btc or bch or some other coin, can you send it back?


I assume the receiver could basically look at their wallet history and sort of determine who send them the accidental btc or bch or whatever coin it is?  But if its a big site such as exchange or processor who deals with tens of thousands of customers or more... then are you screwed?

I'm curious but has anyone here accidentally received btc or bch or any other coin from another address that you know was by accident?  Thus it was not direct and wasn't an airdrop or anything like that?


I had received a tiny bit of bitcoin cash to my nano ledger s... but it was tiny amount not even a penny worth... and someone who is very knowledgeable said it was a dusting attack which is almost harmless.


But is it almost impossible to send btc to the wrong address assuming you are off one letter or a bit off?  Or is odds going to show that address is incorrect?  Thus imagine the last letter or number you mean was f and typed e or it was 9 and typed e or 8... are the odds so low that... the address you wrote a letter off is incorrect?  Also all btc and those addresses are the exact number of characters right?


Now i heard a while back, if you send btc to a bch address or send bch to btc address, the coins are permanently lost.  Is that still true today?  I remember i heard back then in bittrex, if you do that, they could help you recover it but only if the amount you said was big like at least 5k usd.  Do they still assist now?


But if you were to send btc to bch address or vice versa... or to even bitcoin sv or bitcoin gold, what happens now?

By cloud you mean like gmail, yahoo mail or dropbox etc right?  So you telling me if someone got into your email or cloud account, they could see the seed?  Its just they aren't sure which one it is because you put random words in it?


Yea hardware wallet is what everyone recommends.. but my main question is storing the actual seed words.  That is the bigger issue here.


Because i feel like unless you live in those luxury high rise condos with security and live all the way in the higher floors, there is always risk to burglary and theft. 

What do you mean by pendrive?


Why print out the seed?  Why not write it three times instread?

Okay i get what you mean by that, thanks hcp.

Well my device worked fine for over a year and a half.  It was around that time, when screen went dim... then i didn't touch it for months... then finally it didn't turn on.  I had a monitor go bad in my apartment but I don't think it was due to humidity.  But i heard lot of ppl electronics has went bad due to hot/humidity where im located.


Well the other thing is this.  Should i bring my ledger nano box with me when i head outside the US again?  I did not bring it last time when going back because my thought was... well leave it in the house instead because if i bring it there and say any theft, well its easy to find the nano ledger s box and it might be like... okay where is this device.  Also i didnt want to bring the box in case it gets scanned at the airport and TSA would examine it.  So i just bring it and put it in my carry on like with my usb sticks so when they scan it, they think its a usb stick.  I heard cases of tsa confiscating it... but is this concern?  Because when i was outside the US, i thought, man i should have brought the box that came a long with it as i thought its probably better to store it in the box as oppose to putting it in a fanny pack and zipping it up right?  Because well.. think of all the ledger nano s that are not sold... they still in the box right so wouldn't they have less moisture etc?  Or its difference because the seal isn't broken for that?


So based on that, should i bring my nano ledger s box back with me out the country?  I would not store it in my fanny pack zipped up anymore when i get back.  So get those silica gels .. but could i put that in the nano ledger s box with it and its fine?  Or not because its not airtight?

Isn't that what i said with like using lastpass or keepass?  But here you are changing the word a bit?


Example imagine one of your words is your seed is doggy... im not sure if that is even a word or not.


But imagine you type it enhhz... like imagine the word you see... you go one letter ahead of each letter... thoughts on that?  But of course you can easily make a mistake like this.  Then when you see ephhz, you go back one letter each... but thats bound to make a mistake right?


Someone mentioned about writing it in a book.  That does seem like good idea?  Imagine a big book and you just gotta remember what page or pages you wrote it?  Then you go back to the book?


Still.  what about the method i originally mentioned?  Type it in keepass... then store it in google drive or dropbox.  So only way someone can access it would be hack your email... but they need your master password for keepass?  Or if you want to get more extreme, encrypt keepass file itself where you need to enter a password before... u even get a chance to enter a master password for keepass?  Surely that would be the safest way to store it digitally? 


If you put it in a usb drive, and encrypt it... sure thats good.  But what program you use to encrypt your usb drive?  So if you encrypt your usb drive, only if someone knows the password, then can open it up right?  But its like well you still have to be concern of fire or floods.  The method i describe, well you don't have to be concerned about fire or floods.  Thoughts on the method i suggested?

Hi all.  So yesterday i restored my old nano ledger s phrase in my new nano ledger s thanks to help especially from HCP.


Now i mentioned that a while back when i got my first nano ledger s... i basically created a new seed... wiped it by putting wrong pin three times... then created new seed... wiped it by putting wrong pin three times... before the third time... i created new seed... then used that as the seed for my old nano ledger s and when i put in the seed yesterday, it confirms to work.



Now i do have the first two seeds written down which i had wiped each time the first time i got the nano ledger s.  I like to know... what is the best way for me to try to put these seeds in to see if they work?  Im pretty positive i wrote the seeds for these correctly... but they do not have any coins there.   Now best way to test these seed words to confirm there is no coins there?



Shoudl i use my new nano ledger s to test those words?  But if i do that, it will reset my new nano ledger s that i already set up right and have to do it again?


I do have an an old outdated electrum but i know its the last electrum update where it doesn't have issues with the malware message.  Also i have no btc at all in electrum on my laptop.  Could i try putting the seed into electrum with both of them to see what happens?



Now assuming the seed works for each of them, which im pretty sure its correct... though i didn't wrote it twice on paper ... if there are no transactions, it would show nothing at all in transactions right?  Like it wont even show the date i created the seeds?  Whether i do this on electrum or my new nano ledger s, it would be same thing?

How do you encrypt your usb flash drive?  What program you use for it?  So whenever you plug the usb stick to your laptop, you need to put a password in order to open the file... correct?

Can you post a picture of what I would need exactly when you say this?


Also how do you guys store your nano ledger s?   


I assume you guys don't have the hot and humidity issue like me so none of this really is an issue for you right?  Again, im not sure if it was the humidity or not because for around a year and a half... that was how i stored it... put it in a fanny pack zipped up.  If it was humidity, would it happen sooner though?

The big issue i mentioned in my original post is... what if something happens to it physically.  Whether its a natural disaster or theft.  That is the main issue i have with writing it on a piece of paper.  Now obviously you write it into two or three parts... but do almost all of you leave that paper in one location?  I mean if you leave it in two locations, well you need to make sure you can access the other location.  Like what if something happens to that person you gave the other half seed to.



Someone mentioned they leave the other part of the seed in their vacation home.  Well... who lives in the vacation home when you are not there?  What if there is a natural disaster or theft?  Now what if the thief just takes a whole bunch of stuff and the seed paper is there.




I always felt like storing it digitally prevents all this from happening.  Someone else said... they type it in keepass... which is what I did.  But that person doesn't seem to say they upload it to the cloud.  Well if you don't... where is your keepass stored?  Only your laptop and a usb flash drive that is encrypted?  Because like the piece of paper, natural disaster or theft would destroy it.  But if you upload it to the cloud... well, hacker needs your username/password for it... then they need your master password for keepass.  Have there been cases of ppl who gotten their seed hacked by uploading it to the cloud using this method though?  All i heard was ppl just typing it in an email not encrypted... so if someone hack a person's email, well there is the code.  Now to take it a step further.  What about typing the seed in keepass and say encrypting keepass?  That way, hacker needs another password.  So they need your email/cloud username/password... then your encryption password for keepass... then finally your master password for keepass.  I mean... that would be multiple barriers.  But the odds of someone getting into all these parts would be way too hard right?

I heard ppl say put it in bank safety box and put it in two parts.  That seem good idea since well even if someone get access to your box with half the seed, they still need the other half.  But what if someone break into the safe and you didn't know until later on?  Or say it happens and your seed paper is gone... though that person only need to take a picture of it or write it down as taking the paper would be dumb as it would draw suspicion.  But if you lose half the seed, and say your hardware wallet malfunctions, then you are like screwed.


I know ppl say the moment you don't have access to your seed, immediately get the coins out of that current wallet.  But if you are on vacation and you come back and house burn or flood, well then you are screwed.  I mean its like unless you live in one of those nice high rise condos or hotels with security to check in... its like you are always vulnerable?  For example i feel like if you live in those luxury buildings with security and live in the mid to higher floors... well then your seed, device will be pretty safe?



So wouldn't that mean typing your seed in lastpass/keepass and storing that in your google drive or dropbox... would still be relatively safe?  Because hacker need to hack your email... but they need to get in your lastpass/keepass which would be very hard to almost impossible assuming you dont have malware on your laptop?  I feel like its safe this way because well if there is a fire or flood and your seed is destroyed or device is destroyed or whatnot, well as long as you remember your gmail/dropbox password and of course your lastpass/keepass password, well the seed is there.  People say never store your seed in an email, but isn't this way more complex since they need to get through multiple steps?  First the email or dropbox cloud service, then they need the password program password?  And you might even encrypt it as well.  But if you do so much, of course you could forget one of the passwords.

I had an electrum seed and wrote it on piece of paper.  I then decided to write it on a password program like lastpass/keepass.  So in order to get into the lastpass, you need a password.  And i put the lastpass in dropbox/google drive and store it there.  My thought was if someone somehow hacked into my gmail/dropbox, well they still need the password to my lastpass in order to get into my electrum seed.  I put the electrum seed in there as i type it out a long with my other bank account and everything whether its online site or anything.



Then i no longer used electrum.  I used a nano ledger s and store coins there.  But I did not type in my nano ledger seed in lastpass and thus did not store that in gmail/dropbox.  But again if i did... well a hacker would need to first hack into my gmail/dropbox... then get into the lastpass or keepass etc.  Wouldn't that be very hard?  And imagine you encrypt lastpass as well.  Wouldn't that be way too hard?



So i only have the seed written on paper and put it in the house.  But of course things could happen like fire, floods etc.  So what is the best way to store your seed to prevent this?  I heard of cryptosteel where its fireproof and floodproof so that works?  But isn't the issue if someone finds it, well its pretty easy to see oh why is there a bunch of long words and some ppl might even figure out its the seed to a wallet?



Now if you write the seed in a notebook with a ton of stuff there, well that would be hard for someone to find.  Imagine like you have a notebook where you have the seed there but also in the first few pages write down like nursery school rhyme or children books and lot of stuff like that, well obviously it won't look like its important.



Also i hear ppl say break your seed into two or three parts.  That makes sense but do you leave all the parts in the same house/apartment?  You hear about how you give one half to someone else you trust, you keep other half.  Well what if you no longer see the other person anymore or something happens, then what?  Obviously you would need to immediately send your coins to a temporary wallet in the meantime.