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1521  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are Indian investors in dilemma to make investment in cryptos!!! on: July 25, 2018, 07:43:08 PM
As supreme court is still to take decision regarding regulation of crypto currency in India after RBI denied and asked banks to stop transactions. Are Indian investors still want to make crypto investment! What will happen to people who didn't withdrew money back?

Personally I as a crypto investor still love to trade cryptocurrencies. RBI asked banks to stop giving services to Exchanges because RBI was dissatisfied from the data provided by exchanges and it presumed Exchanges are doing malpractices. However, banning of Exchanges haven't impacted crypto trading in India much as expected.
People are still using P2P platforms to buy/sell cryptos. So even if Supreme Court gives negative verdict in September banning exchanges, there are still alternatives to trade cryptocurrencies because government so far hasn't announced banning of cryptocurrencies.
1522  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: How is Ethereum unique and different from Bitcoin? on: July 25, 2018, 07:03:49 PM
They have their own distinctions of variations, peculiarities, and trends as we all know how popular is Ethereum with smart contracts and its support towards ICO and its tokens creations, it serves its purpose that bitcoin cannot serve and that's it, ETH cannot replace bitcoin most especially with its price and popularity, ETH has no limit to its supply while bitcoin has.

Agree. Until and unless, Ethereum community accepts Vitalik's EIP, Ethereum may never repeat history again. Who can forget the ultimate run of Ethereum in 2016-17 but if problem of inflation isn't solved it may never see $10,000.

One more thing, due to excessive daps development and ICO abuse, Ethereum blockchain is much more abused than Bitcoin's blockchain. So when comes to real world use as mode of payment, Bitcoin tends to overshadow Ethereum as ETH network is more prone to abuse and congestion.
1523  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lets talk Logic! on: July 25, 2018, 06:21:32 PM
Currently hardly 10M of the World population have invested in Bitcoin. Moreover among them big portion of total supply is owned by hardly 1-2K people. Other than those 1-2K people, rest are those who entered market via hearsay and don't own much Bitcoins. So Bitcoin market is still unpredictable as it could excessively fluctuate from the action of those Top 0.01% of the holders who hold more than 1-2K Bitcoins individually. So rather than estimating anything about future, we should sit back and enjoy the pumpy/dumpy game which these whales play and try to enjoy our profits through it.

PS: Everyone remembers how Roger Ver and team deployed flipping via Bitcoin Cash show last year using their 300K Bitcoins. The example is enough to prove what I am saying.
1524  Local / India / Re: Solution for people with money stuck on zebpay on: July 25, 2018, 05:49:40 PM
Simply baning not gonna bring any good,Now crypto trading is big,if india ban indian traders find another way and gonna do illegaly and black money increase but if India regulate they can tax btc income and reduce black money as well

If they make it illegal to trade crypto, it will stop completely in India.

Especially the current government is very strict in regulating financial rules or regulations. When tax department sent notices to people investing huge amount of money in crypto, it scared a lot of people and they already left crypto.

Maybe people finding the outlook of government to be negative for cryptocurrency in India due to recent ban from RBI but reality is different. Government is not planning to ban crypto at all. Owing to recent statements from Government executives, we can believe that government is supportive to cryptocurrency. It is sought to bring a detailed guidelines and regulations for crypto and it will be legalized to certain extent.

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1525  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does this sound realistic? on: July 25, 2018, 05:21:15 PM
Ok! I was actually trying to get reasons why people get addicted to gambling which we all know is more self inflicted. However, I came up with this theory for someone who may actually want to gamble and then would not want to get addicted based on trying to fix their mentality about it and I would like to seek your opinion on what you think about it, if it can actually end up working for any gambler or not.

The theory is;
If you want to gamble, see it more like you are paying the casino or gambling platform to have some fun (just like you do to go watch some movies in cinema), which if you are paying for anything, you are not meant to expect it back. The good thing however is that, you can actually end up being paid more for having that fun if you get lucky, but the chances of seeing that happen is pretty slim. In that light, if you cannot actually live with doing what I said above, then you should not be gambling at all.

Does this sound like a mentality that can help anyone understand what they are in for if they indeed want to gamble or something even those who are tending towards addiction can set their mind to so as not to get into that deep gambling hole that is hard to come out from?

About fun, yes your theory is correct! But how you define fun? For me gambling is fun because you can win money without doing anything. In cinema we are offered content to watch for which we pay. But in gambling, there is no content, the sole medium of fun is seeing your bet winning.
For example, I bet a lot on Fifa World Cup ended few days back. It made my matches more entertaining and heart beating. But both in the event of winning and losing, I am not satisfied and still wanted to bet more. Hence even if we consider betting as fun, it still could lead to addiction because Fun is addictive on its own.
1526  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: trading btc pairs / USDT ? on: July 25, 2018, 04:58:26 PM
I searched for a while and couldn't find what I was looking for.
What pairs are you trading to make more BTC?  Is USDT/BTC the best option to move in and out of bitcoin since USDT is reasonably stable?  I want to take advantage of bitcoins volatility, but buying alts and waiting for them to outperform bitcoin is a long road. 
Thanks in advance. 

Using BTC/USDT could help you making small profits regularly from same amount of investment but there is one drawback. You couldn't get bigger return!
The most important reason why people invest in cryptocurrencies is dramatically high returns that people could earn. But stagnating investment by shifting it to USDT will make your investments idle for longer than you thought and you may miss bigger opportunities and settle for lower profits more often.
1527  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Truth about altcoins on: July 25, 2018, 04:23:10 PM
all i see in crypto now is drama, a drama that will shock guys, in my own childish opinion as usual,  I encourage you all to atleast spare $100 into one or two altcoins in this dip and watch how the drama unfold, u will be happy u did, lastly, on no condition should u sell ur altcoins at loss, it's all game, be strong, don't panic...
 Thank you all

Although you expressed your thoughts in very weird manner but I do understand what you trying to say. Yes, I agree. 95% of the crypto market is nothing but the outcome of manipulation and speculation. Most of the crypto investors are nothing but the herders who start buying cryptocurrencies when price rise and start selling when price falls. It has given immense power to whales or big holders to drive market according to their wish. I strongly believe crypto market doesn't have maturity usually required by investment markets.
1528  Economy / Economics / Re: To be or not to be. What to invest in? on: July 25, 2018, 03:53:29 PM
Let's evaluate the different options:

1. Bonds
 good alternative to deposits is bonds. The plus of this instrument is the absence of taxation. And from the same deposits, the tax on income of natural persons in the amount of 18%. But here's a percentage of different countries different.

Bond is a form of commitment where a party using it commits to return fixed percentage of return to investor after a fixed period of time, usually issued by some reputed authority like Government and Banks. However, ROI is not 18% in most of the countries, it is usually around 5-6% and consider as Risk-free return. Considering inflation rate, investing in bonds is outdated form of investment in 21st century.

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2.Gold

Gold is no longer as shiny investment as it used to be around 10-15 years back. In last 2-3 years, there is hardly 7-8% annual return from Gold. Also, due to its fluctuating behavior, always ready to expect losses.

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3.Real estate

Real Estate has a problem of divisibility. Not everyone is aiming to invest in hundred thousands. Although, real estate could give 200-300% return over the course of 4-5 years but still it is better to invest in this sector via Mutual Funds rather than investing whole of your own money.

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4.Bitcoin: Interesting, but risky

Well, everyone here is smart enough for Bitcoin.


1529  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-23] Bitcoin Price Hits $7700 as Other Coins Remain Relatively Sluggish on: July 25, 2018, 02:48:31 PM
Bitcoin Rise is always due to some positive news in the market that creates hype and currently it is due to the proposal of Bitcoin ETF. But if we look previous trends, once Bitcoin shows such surge, it doesn't fall by similar percentage if news turned down. In other words, even if the proposal of ETF gets rejected, we can still hope that Bitcoin rally will continue. This is natural tendency of crypto market, once a coin rises, it takes 2-3 leaps without losing much in falls. So we can expect Bitcoin to cross $10,000 in next 10-12 days period.

......Ethereum Classic was sluggish with a 2% rise to settle at the $16.60 level ......

Ethereum Classic is very safe coin. We can regard it as traditional security among dynamic crypto environment. Whenever BTC falls, other coins follow it and fall relatively equal or more. But on the other hand, ETC doesn't decline much, it has tendency to maintain its price both in USD and BTC.
1530  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: TAKE ON BITCOIN : TO OWN BITCOIN OR MORE ALTCOINS?? on: July 24, 2018, 07:19:42 PM
This really unbelievable that you do not have investment in bitcoin. Crypto currency market means bitcoin. You should invest on this and do not be worried about the price fluctuation. You will be able to earn profit from bitcoin.

There is no where written that person needs to hold Bitcoin if he is crypto enthusiast and earn via it. Everyone has his/her own needs and has to make up strategy accordingly. I personally don't enjoy keeping Bitcoin, I hardly hold between 0.05 - 0.40 for urgency. Other than that, I love to enjoy market risks by hedging, spreading, dividing my money into different securities. I am from Finance background and it is kinda fun tracking each of your security, estimating returns, shifting money from one security to another, etc etc. As of now, I have money in around 120-125 cryptocurrencies along with Mutual Funds and Stock Market. So every person is  independent to make his/her financial strategy. You shouldn't worry the present hike in BTC price, every coin shows similar roller-coaster ride throughout year, no wonder.
1531  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto replacing fiat? on: July 24, 2018, 06:49:40 PM
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I believe this is the reason why the governments are pushing for the regulation of the currency because they want to know the users that uses the cryptocurrency so that they can be taxed accordingly.

If any government believes that cryptocurrency could be regulated then consider it be Hoax! You may regulate a wallet, exchange, forum, chats and take data from them but you can't regulate blockchain.

Blockchain provides such invincible technology that no outer force can harness it. Every data on blockchain is Pseudo-Anonymous. Though it could be tracked upto certain degree using Hash or Transaction ID but real identity could be easily hidden in blockchain.
1532  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the biggest misconception of Cryptocurrency in your country? on: July 24, 2018, 06:20:07 PM
In India,the government doesn't encourage crypto currencies.Rather the centra bank RBI has initiated all the other banks to close accounts related to crypto trading.

This is a half truth buddy. Banks aren't closing accounts of every trader. RBI had notified banks that they are no longer allowed to provide any service to individuals and firms engaged in the commercial business of crypto trading. This definition includes only exchanges and other allied service providers.

Individuals selling their holding or buying from another holder are not included in above definition and they can still continue to buy/sell cryptocurrencies without any restrictions except the fact that they can't use exchanges for that.
1533  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Margin : Never try on: July 24, 2018, 05:24:49 PM
You write for peoples who intend to participate in the margin
What is your purpose in this market? Are you proving yourself a real investor ? You are not a glamber, right?
In this market, the boundary between gamblers and investors is very fragile
When you join the margin, you are turning yourself into a gambler. You simply do not have the patience to invest, you just want to make a quick profit. That is the mentality of the gambler. Today you can earn a lot, but certainly tomorrow it can also lost more.
They call it a financial leverage, but I call it a gamble. For investment, when your company goes down, if you still put your trust and hold it, it can go up and you can get back. But if the margin, when the long / short beyond your control, you will permanently lose money without getting back.
It's really gambling, I'm advice you not to try, The margin really addictive like gambling. It is not good if you are serious entering into the crypto market.
It will make you sleepless and you allways wants to remove when you lose. Trust me it's bad.

True! I tried margins many times and mostly the end results are negative. Following pump/dump groups, tracking news, investing prior to airdrops, etc etc are the example of hundred of cases where margin trading is nothing but just a gamble!

Alternatively, crypto investors should act smartly and should manage their money with diligence. We are blessed that we have thousands of coins to invest in hence there is no deficiency of choice. All one requires are   deep insights, thorough understanding, reasonable expectations and lengthy investing period. Coin will surely give you return, maybe not 3-4x but surely around 10-30%.
1534  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Earnings from long time Holdings on: July 24, 2018, 04:56:22 PM
Hi, how many of you have a successful story/earning from long time holdings? How many months or years that you hold it and what coin/s is/are that?

I am a holder and it seems like im loosing my patience with the particular coin that I am holding right now so I want to gain some inspiration from you when it terms with holding.

I came to know about Bitcoin for the first time 4 years ago but I was student back then and didn't get enough money to invest in it. It used to worth $300-500. Then I started earning and collecting some coins, mostly Bitcoin but my first break-through was Ethereum. Back in May 2016, ETH used to worth $8-12 and I was introduced to it by one of my friend. I am from India, there was a good Bitcoin exchange named btcx-india (not functional now) back in 2016. They started another site named as ethexindia from Ethereum and I bought 20 ETH  investing something around $215 in Indian Rupee. After few months ETH became rage and almost everyone was just talking about it. It rose to $80-90, I was very happy but it again took a dip to $20 and I sold somewhere near $25-26. But again after few months, it touched $300 which further steered up to $1200 last year. So yes, long holding do give results. However, you need to be unaffected from dips and remain patient. The moment you lose your patience, you may end up getting 100% profits like me instead of 4000% which could be life changing.

However, in these days it might not possible that any new coin can follow legacy of BTC or ETH but everything is possible in crypto world. You just need to find that gem and wait for it to season and shine bright!
1535  Economy / Economics / Re: The Cryptocurrency Market and How it Influences Our Economy? on: July 24, 2018, 04:19:09 PM
Until now, the surge in cryptocurrency markets has been a sideshow to the financial markets or the real economy. Prices have gone up a lot for bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

1. Increase economic income by cryptocurrency?
2. The Cryptocurrency Market and How it Influences Our Economy?
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What do you think?

World Top 5 Economies:

USA $20,400 Billions, China $14,000 Billions, Japan $5,100 Billions, Germany $4,200 Billions, UK $2,940 Billions
Total: $46640 Billions

Cryptocurrency MarketCap: $300 Billions (This is also fictitious data and real spread is too less than this.) 

So when we compare two, Worldwide Crypto Economy doesn't even contribute 1% of the Top 5 Economies. It is still too soon to predict any impact of cryptos on World Economy. In reality, cryptos are still not contributing anything to World except income alternatives to few thousands people and crowdfunding to few hundreds of project. On the same note, the most disruptive technology of 21st century 'Blockchain' is still underdeveloped and future is also not looking any good when most of the countries are against cryptocurrencies & blockchain. Even the insiders aren't much concerned about developing it, they are just aiming to make money and spamming blockchain rather than contributing anything to it.
1536  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Safest way to buy BTC on: July 24, 2018, 03:45:35 PM
I think the safest way to buy bitcoin is to buy in your closest friend who wants to sell bitcoin then the safest way to store is in hardware wallet which only you can access in your own laptop/desktop. Theres also a few trusted and secured site where you can buy bitcoin like coinbase.

Coinbase needs complete KYC verification before individual can start buying/selling cryptocurrencies. Moreover, anything bought on Coinbase is stored on web wallet which means individual has no control over assets, he is just representative owner.
Buying Bitcoins from acquaintances could be handy but it is not always possible to find person around you who is willing to sell exact amount what you are willing to buy at the same time. Hence this create problem of Double Coincidence of Want. Better solution is Peer-to-Peer Marketplace. LocalBitcoins is the oldest P2P platform however I never used it so can't give review. I occasionally use Remitano and can give thumbs up to it. Remitano doesn't require any kind of verification except email confirmation. It also provides various way in which fiat could be transfer so it is safe and quite anonymous at the same time.
1537  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-05-30] BitBay, the largest exchange in Poland, suspends its activities on: July 24, 2018, 03:22:14 PM
But Poland is deprived of the opportunity to have its share of profits from the exchange in the form of taxes.

True! I have seen many countries like Poland and India which are insisting exchanges to halt their operations instead of nationwide ban on crypto. Hence people are using other options like selling them on P2P platforms, buying commodity from other countries, etc. This enables them to escape any taxation imposed by such countries. We can say this is to be shortsightedness of the governments, instead of appointing committee of professionals which can prepare right regulations and reports for cryptocurrencies, they are taking arbitrary decisions and thus losing themselves.
1538  Local / India / Re: ZebPay updated its address on: July 24, 2018, 02:54:42 PM
If you have not noticed, Zebpay recently changed their address

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DijiDjUXkAA5J-m.jpg

So, it is possible that they are planning something new related to ban on deposits.

What I think Zebpay is aiming to move its operations outside India and turn into International Exchange. Almost all the notable Indian Exchanges have given updates and future plans to counter fight ban. Few are turning into P2P platform, others are trying some other ways out. But Zebpay on the other hand didn't give any such updates since it closed Rupee withdrawals/deposits. Hints are clear, Zebpay is ready to leave Indian market and we may never exchange crypto to INR on Zebpay ever again. Pity!
1539  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Masternode investments worth it? on: July 23, 2018, 06:16:44 PM
I want to know if investing in masternodes is better than just buying and hodling a coin. Anyone here has experience in that.
If you think it is worth it can you state good masternode coins.

But obviously I don't mean the Pre-sale -> exchange -> dump masternode coins.

If I talk my experience with Masternode coins so far, I won't recommend investing in them. Investing in ICOs and/or established coins are much better investment modes than buying PoS coins. The first and basic reason is market size. No PoS coin having masternode is among Top 50 cryptocurrencies according to market size hence the price of such coins fluctuate too much due to pump/dump. So on one side you think you making fixed income but on the other side you losing relatively bigger due to value loss. Secondly, the return on PoS coins is too low, earning 0.5-3% daily is too low if we compare to fluctuation in crypto world.
1540  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto replacing fiat? on: July 23, 2018, 05:21:44 PM
Lets say crypto completely and utterly replaced fiat. Fiats don't exist anymore. All governments have seen the advantage of using digital currency and have completely changed their fiat into crypto, like dollar to dollar token(obviously not tether). How viable is this?

There are hundred of threads discussing this. You can search Economics section and get answer to it.

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For example anyone can see how much I am holding using the public ledger and track me down and force me into sending them the cryptos I hold. I wanna discuss in reality if cryptos actually replace fiat how life will be and what are the problems we are gonna face and the immediate effects of it.   

Even if everyone start using crypto, it is not possible that whole of your money could be tracked. You can send Bitcoin (let say) to someone and the other person can send you Bitcoins on your new wallet, whole money is revolved. This is what Bitcoin mixers do. It is impossible to track which address is owned by whom unless you using some centralized wallet service like Coinbase. As far as you create new address for receiving every payment and own private key of those addresses, no one can know how much you hold.
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