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1561  Other / Meta / Re: [Ban Appeal] bill gator on: May 21, 2019, 08:36:52 PM
Out of curiosity, who did you buy from?
1562  Other / Meta / Re: Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed on: May 21, 2019, 08:05:35 PM
Someone has admitted to plagiarizing.

Me thinks lauda has plagiarized in the past.
Wrong. I think I plagiarized[1]. I never paid any attention to it, then again which spammer did? I believe that it is quite likely that I messed up at least several times even after I stopped spamming given my post count. I'm waiting along with many other DT members to see who is going to get banned. The only difference being that I've served not one, but two punishments for all my posts up until year XYZW (I don't remember). Quite funny this one is. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1563  Other / Meta / Re: Plagiarism should remain a zero-tolerance bannable offense on: May 21, 2019, 08:01:48 PM
Me thinks lauda has plagiarized in the past.

If this is true, if the administration is not running the plagiarism bot themselves, the question becomes if the person running the bot is trustworthy enough to report lauda. It would probably be a good idea to have the bot go back and check the 3000+ posts lauda deleted on his alt account and any other alt accounts he has.
*insert another off-topic conspiracy theory*
It is not a conspiracy theory nor is it off topic. The way lauda is acting is consistent with him trying to setup an excuse for plagiarizing.

This sticks out like a sore thumb in part because he has advocated for tagging people for doing nearly every other action.

I think laudas punishment for plagiarism, if he is found to have plagiarized to be the same as everyone else, and his deleted posts and alts should also be checked.
1564  Other / Meta / Re: Plagiarism should remain a zero-tolerance bannable offense on: May 21, 2019, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: Lauda
It's quite murky. It's easy on random shit-posting baboons in pay-per-post campaigns. Say I had forgotten to include that source today. Would you have banned me? Note: Even though I wear a signature, I am not required to do anything thus making 1 or 1000 posts makes no difference. Financial motivation is a no-go here, and I most certainly did not intend to pass that as "my own work". So?
Nonsense. if you have a paid sig that doesn’t require any specific number of posts, if you don’t make sufficient numbers of posts the company will decide to stop paying you to advertise. This is true even if you don’t have a specific post count expectation.
Nobody asked you anything you filthy degenerate. What I wrote is objectively true, I generate more advertisement without posting anything than most people do by actively posting. Go back to your account-farming pajeet hole.
Me thinks lauda has plagiarized in the past.

If this is true, if the administration is not running the plagiarism bot themselves, the question becomes if the person running the bot is trustworthy enough to report lauda. It would probably be a good idea to have the bot go back and check the 3000+ posts lauda deleted on his alt account and any other alt accounts he has.
1565  Other / Meta / Re: Plagiarism should remain a zero-tolerance bannable offense on: May 21, 2019, 07:35:47 PM
Quote from: Lauda
It's quite murky. It's easy on random shit-posting baboons in pay-per-post campaigns. Say I had forgotten to include that source today. Would you have banned me? Note: Even though I wear a signature, I am not required to do anything thus making 1 or 1000 posts makes no difference. Financial motivation is a no-go here, and I most certainly did not intend to pass that as "my own work". So?
Nonsense. if you have a paid sig that doesn’t require any specific number of posts, if you don’t make sufficient numbers of posts the company will decide to stop paying you to advertise. This is true even if you don’t have a specific post count expectation.
1566  Other / Meta / Re: Any managers lost good posters due recent mass ban? on: May 21, 2019, 06:47:39 PM
If this is true and those currently using the accounts are going to be held to account for the plagiarism of the farmer, we might as well ban account sales, even if you can’t prevent all of them. I don’t think it is reasonable to expect someone to check for plagiarism when they buy an account, or even know how to effectively check. This way if someone is banned for plagiarism the farmer did, there wouldn’t be an injustice because they should have been banned for using the purchased account anyway (or the purchased account should have been locked).

I don’t think it would be difficult to generally tell if a person in good standing had purchased their account after the time of plagiarism.


While I'm not opposed to account sales being banned. This line of thought might become peoples next attempt at a get out of Jail free card. Even if they were banned moving forward it wouldn't change where we are now in dealing with these past infractions. They bough the account and if they weren't going to do their part to ensure the reputation they were buying was clean they can deal with the consequences of it. See it can go both ways, they bough the account and rank for the benefits, they can deal with the negatives as well, I don't see an injustice here. Buyer beware and whatnot.

On that note, seeing as these appeals can be made to Moderators, they can admit to their account being a bought account without further repercussions, such as negative feedback depending on when it was purchased. In case they bought it after it became an unacceptable practice, as it's still allowed based on forum guidelines.

Well some of the plagiarism was done well before plagiarism was (known to be) a problem. When I was in the business years ago, I never would have thought to check for plagiarism, and I don’t believe anyone ever asked me about plagiarism when buying an account from me.

I think it should be easy to detect if an account was sold a long time ago based on IP evidence and password changes. I don’t think many people would think to fake an account sale that would be apparent to the admins to evade plagiarism from years ago, as IMO those plagiarizing thought it would go unnoticed indefinitely. 

Ideally we can get the plagiarism problem under control so that all prior plagiarism is found and punished as appropriate and future plagiarism is quickly uncovered.
1567  Other / Meta / Re: Plagiarism should remain a zero-tolerance bannable offense on: May 21, 2019, 06:28:52 PM
I don’t think anyone is getting banned for accidental plagiarism such as forgetting to cite a source. Nor is anyone getting banned for responding to a quote that lacks any kind of source.

Bans are not being given because of broken BB code. They are being given out because someone clearly tried to pass off someone else’s words as their own. Often the copied words would appear to be nonsense if it were to be assumed to not be plagiarized. Almost always there is a financial motivation.

I am in favor of allowing someone to stay if the plagiarism was from a long time ago and they have subsequently shown themselves to otherwise be productive forum members. However there should be severe punishment.
1568  Other / Meta / Re: Any managers lost good posters due recent mass ban? on: May 21, 2019, 06:20:58 PM


For some of these old timers that are getting banned I wonder if these people have bought these accounts that were farmed via spamming/copy and pasting? I doubt someone would forget that they've done this in the past, or maybe they're just playing dumb. It's very surprising how many users have done it and even more so for how long they got away with it.
If this is true and those currently using the accounts are going to be held to account for the plagiarism of the farmer, we might as well ban account sales, even if you can’t prevent all of them. I don’t think it is reasonable to expect someone to check for plagiarism when they buy an account, or even know how to effectively check. This way if someone is banned for plagiarism the farmer did, there wouldn’t be an injustice because they should have been banned for using the purchased account anyway (or the purchased account should have been locked).

I don’t think it would be difficult to generally tell if a person in good standing had purchased their account after the time of plagiarism.
1569  Economy / Reputation / Re: DT Members with Sig bans. on: May 21, 2019, 06:12:06 PM
It is my stance that plagiarism is a way people were stealing money such that they believed no one would notice the theft. This is similar to a casino with bankroll investors betting against the bankroll with knowledge of the seeds. Or you could say it is similar to someone stealing money out of the tip jar that should be split up among the waitstaff. Another example would be a dog walker coming into a persons house, not walking the dog and stealing jewelry out of a jewelry box.

I would not trust anyone caught plagiarizing. IMO, if they think they have an opportunity to steal from you without getting caught they will.
1570  Other / Meta / Re: [TOP-200] The most generous users giving merits on: May 21, 2019, 03:34:36 AM
I take back everything that I said above, and I suppose that my memory is going bad because it seems that I had erroneously recalled that my initial airdrop of smerits was 200.
I got 200 sMerit airdropped, even though it should have been 400 based on theymos' formula.

From what I've read, QuickSeller had exhausted his sMerit supply, and has been sharing more sMerit than he earned since theymos added 8 Merit sources. So I believe he's a Merit source now.
You are mistaken my friend. Merit spent when you have available source merit comes from your source merit balance, not your sMerit balance. As such, I have some available sMerit that remains unspent.

I am not sure if most merit sources spend more than their source merit each month, but if not, I would imagine many merit sources have considerable sMerit if they earn a decent amount of merit. The way things are looking, I will run out of both source merit and sMerit before the end of the month, but I plan on addressing this by earning more merit.
1571  Other / Meta / Re: Division of Powers on: May 20, 2019, 09:22:31 PM
Update as to under what circumstances newbies can be banned

Moderators cant ban Users , only Global Mods and admins as far i know !
Patrollers (at one point, the majority of mods were patrollers -- moderators of newbies) can ban Brand New and Newbie accounts.

Regular mods can ban Newbies if they haven't been whitelisted by another mod, don't have Copper membership (IIRC), and have less than 150 posts or less than 30 posts if they have earned at least 1 merit.
1572  Other / Meta / Re: [TOP-200] The most generous users giving merits on: May 20, 2019, 04:34:28 PM
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I’ve just checked it on the Merit Dashboard and @Quickseller (as of last Friday) had earned 552 non-airdropped Merits, while having sent 488 sMerits. The 552 earned merits would account for 276 sent sMerits out of the 488 sent sMerits. The remaining 212 sent sMerits could be part of the initial sMerit airdrop (or not):
 
Since Legendries could have received up to 400 sMerits depending on their activity (see re:Initial sMerit for every rank?), those 212 sent sMerits may have come from the initial sMerit airdrop, from being a Merit Source, or a combination of both. Just by looking at the numbers I don’t think we can determine that he is a Merit Source yet.

You can assert that someone is a Merit Source of the total amount or sent sMerits > (Received floor(sMerits/2) + Max potential airdropped sMerit for the rank), but just before this value there is a grey area due to not knowing the exact amount of airdropped sMerits.


Many appointed Merit Sources tend to have small allowances to start-off with. They also are often people that earn merits (thus generating sMerits), so during the first months, the awarded sMerits from the Merit Source allocation may not exceed the generated/unspent sMerits, and thus remain undetected (as is the case of @Coolcryptovator I presume).

I believe that the maximum that any Legendaries could have received on the initial airdrop would have been 200, so Quickseller has spent an excess of 12 merits which would explain why he has been detected as a merit source.

By the way, it does appear that as of last week, theymos added an additional 7 merit sources (raising the total merit sources from 123 to 130)
I believe he actually added 8 new merit sources because one was removed.
1573  Other / Meta / Re: Viewing TRUST when not logged in on: May 20, 2019, 03:31:42 PM
<DUCKING>  Next step is to post that same warning on the same users even when the user is logged in!  Cheesy Cheesy

This, the big red warning should be seen by registered members also, not just unregistered viewers.

So many registered newbies just don't see what's right in front of them and get scammed by a seller with plenty of red trust. If the same big warning was seen by registered members as seen by unregistered viewers  then that would go a long way to stop scamming.

Why is the fraudulent post not deleted by user "drimix"?
Because scans are not moderated here and because the mods cannot know for sure if something is a scam or not.
1574  Economy / Reputation / Re: Hhampuz Reputation Thread on: May 20, 2019, 07:09:53 AM
@Quickseller I admire the determination , everyone keeps telling you that you are wrong, but you don't give a fudge , i love it   Grin.

Not that my opinion matters a lot  Roll Eyes, but @Hhampuz is probably one of the kindest members I have interacted with on the forum,besides him being so professional in managing campaigns (based on my experience) - I was in one of the campaigns he manages when i was accepted by @Darkstar_ to Chipmixer, and it happened like 2 days before the payout for that week.

Hhampuz was nice enough to ask Darkstart_ on my behalf ( and another member or 2) if we could keep the signature so that we don't miss the prev campaign payout, he went to the extent of PMing me to let me know that  Darkstar_ said it was okay to do so (Thanks @Darkstar_ btw) .

He did not have to do all that , he could have easily deleted my name from the spreadsheet and moved on, but he took all the time and effort to worry about someone else's benefit, this guy is amazing , regardless of what you have to say about him.
I am glad he went out of his way to help you participate in a new signature campaign. Your antidote doesn’t really have anything to do with Hhampuz personality benefiting from the campaigns he runs while harming his clients.
1575  Economy / Reputation / Re: Hhampuz Reputation Thread on: May 20, 2019, 05:48:04 AM
Anybody who questions his integrity clearly has a motive.
Are you talking about integrity such as accepting his friend who recently had plagiarized at the time?

It is actually sad, someone gave them second chance and then they choose to shit on that person.
Second chance? At what exactly? Speak slowly so I can understand.


I think I already know the answer....not criticizing you and your friends.

I continue to wear the signature to show there is no repetitional concern of my advertising for livecoin.

Don't try to spread that BS to thickly.  You're still wearing the banners out of spite, and you know it.  You have no altruistic reason to promote some new random exchange, and if the circumstances were different you would stop wearing their banners the minute you were taken off their payroll.  All you're doing is flaunting your power struggle with Hhampuz.  Shame on you for being such a bully.
You are correct I have no altruistic reason to keep my signature up, as stated the signature remained up because I wanted to point out there are no negative reputation harm to livecoin - the entity Hhampuz is ultimately getting paid by to maximize advertisements for -- of my wearing their signature.

Hhazmpuz's reply confirms that:
I removed you due to receiving messages from many members, yes. [...]

 You are no longer being paid by me or by LiveCoin and this, the wearing of them, sees no benefit for you.

He confirmed the reason he did not want me wearing the signature was because I was no longer being paid.

it didn't surprise me at all considering your post quality
This is my point. Hhampuz is specifically declining to utilize the most effective advertiser, so to personally benefit. He also accepted a friend of his, who at the time had been caught (and had negative trust for at the time) plagiarizing in recent months. I am not calling him out on this because I am involved, I am more than willing to call him (or anyone else) out on this, regardless of who is involved. Neither of these things can align with any claim that Hhampuz is acting in the best interest of his client. The line that he has "full authority" or whatever over his advertising campaigns is BS because that does not give him a license to act to the detriment to his clients (who are ultimately paying participants), especially when he receives a personal benefit.
1576  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How do you imagine ideal society? on: May 19, 2019, 03:35:02 PM
Ideal society would be that everyone has their basic needs met. 

-free housing
-free food
-free school
-free healthcare
This sounds good, but creates disincentives to work and be a productive member of society. If all of these needs are met, why would someone work?

Providing all of the above is not only expensive, but it will lead to very few people having adequate of the above because there are not enough people working to produce the above.


Its disturbing that America has more vacant houses than homeless people.  Its a very big problem when there are investors buying multiple homes just to let them sit empty.  I don't believe the free market should be involved with something that you need to live.
In general, few people will intentionally have their property sitting vacant. Most people who invest in real estate will attempt to find tenants willing to pay rent who can produce income for the investor until he sells the property.
1577  Economy / Reputation / Re: Hhampuz Reputation Thread on: May 19, 2019, 02:40:44 AM

edit- LOL to the fact you still wear a signature and don't get paid. Why not go and join a campaign that will actually pay you? Oh right, because no one would hire you. Pathetic.
I continue to wear the signature to show there is no repetitional concern of my advertising for livecoin.

I am under no obligations to hire you or anyone else and I am free to do what I want in terms of removing members from the campaigns I manage. Each and every one of my clients have full confidence in me and my ability to manage a campaign and that is why they let me handle it all the best way I see fit. I removed you due to receiving messages from many members, yes. You can call it pressure if you want but more than anything I just didn't need the extra work needed (justifying you being paid to post).
You are intentionally not hiring the most effective advertisers so that you obtain personal benefits. This is in effect you taking a little bit of the advertising budget off the top for your personal use.

Your post indicate my advertising for livecoin is no detriment to their reputation, and your PM indicated to me that you acknowledge livecoin has received an outsized positive benefit to my advertising.

This is not unlike how you accepted a friend of yours into another one of your campaigns that you knew was plagiarizing post -- you accepted an inferior advertiser who you knew was not going to make good posts into your campaign because he was your friend and you would benefit.
1578  Other / Meta / Re: Petition: disable "Banned from displaying..." signature and leave it blank on: May 19, 2019, 12:08:40 AM
I obviously don't mean that someone should me making a living in here. My point was in general a society: If you don't give second chances, you are ostracizing them into stealing to survive.
I don’t think the ban message being displayed is preventing anyone from getting a second chance.
1579  Other / Meta / Re: Petition: disable "Banned from displaying..." signature and leave it blank on: May 18, 2019, 11:08:58 PM

The main point here is, they were doing a good job. If everyone had your mentality ("let's not hire this guy ever again because he did something wrong in the past, even if he was doing a good job now"), everyone that did something wrong in the past would remain unemployable, the end result being a collapsing society thus one would be forced to steal since you have to eat.
Signature advertising should not be someone's job. If this is someone's primary source of income, they are not someone we particularly want here.

I am not saying someone should absolutely, under no circumstances ever get hired to advertise on their signature again if they are caught plagiarizing. I am saying potential advertisers (employers) should be warned as to their history so they can take this information into consideration.

There are a decent amount of circumstances in which I would *not* personally hire someone who previously plagiarized, especially if they tried to cover it up after they were caught.
1580  Other / Meta / Re: Petition: disable "Banned from displaying..." signature and leave it blank on: May 18, 2019, 10:34:31 PM
I see the message as a warning to anyone who will potentially consider paying for advertising in the future that the person may not be someone who will be the most effective advertiser.

They were good advertisers up until someone digged posts from 5 years ago to report them. Now im afraid a year from now when the ban is gone, no one is going to hire them because of that instead of giving them a fair chance.
Like I said, what they did is very similar to stealing money (from advertisers) when they believe no one was looking.

I am not sure this is something I would want associated with my business. It is also an added risk because these people have shown themselves willing to try to obtain money under false pretenses.
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