I don’t think they have even read what they have posted. They are instructing applicants to wear an avatar but there is no avatar to wear.

Not only that, but many people are applying saying they will wear the avatar without noticing the lack of an avatar.

I get it, LiveCoin pays a lot to advertise for them. I absolutely understand that you are upset that their scamming activities are being called out because it will probably mean the signature payment will probably stop. Don’t blame the messenger.

The owners of the company are almost certainly hiding from the government and/or are in jail (the former is more likely). The amount involved is smaller than what they are likely to want to care about. This does not change the fact that the theft of the money, as I strongly believe occurred, is any less wrong.

Further, there is blockchain evidence in the OP documenting that Hhampuz moved money from the Bestmixer signature campaign address and eventually moved it into a ChipMixer deposit address.

There is also blockchain evidence that Hhampuz took out a loan in an amount similar to the money missing from the BestMixer signature campaign shortly before the BestMixer campaign closed and the money went missing.

Not counting the loan, there is evidence that money was stolen from BestMixer the probability of which is more likely than not that money was stolen. The loan documents motive to steal the money.

Even further, you have left many ratings (the majority of your ratings) of which the person/entity who is purported to have lost money has not opened a scam accusation, nor otherwise complained. As such, I would refer you to these ratings to determine the legitimacy of this thread.

You should not assume guilt based on the lack of a response, however you should also not assume innocence based on the lack of a response -- you should weigh the available evidence and consider if there is sufficient evidence of guilt. Please note that in court, witnesses are presumed to be telling the trust, provided that testimony is not contradicted, and when someone says they know something, they can explain how they know said fact to possibly strengthen their credibility. If a defendant does not testify, and someone testifies that the defendant "could" have done "xx" this testimony should be disregarded as speculation.

As it stands now, there is evidence Hhampuz moved money belonging to BestMixer to a competing mixer after they closed down and were very unlikely to ever contact Hhampuz again looking for the money. There is also evidence that Hhampuz had an outstanding loan at the time.

Hhampuz's silence is not evidence of innocence, nor is it reason to believe speculation proposed by third parties who have made no claim to know the underlying facts.

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After some consideration, I have decided that I am willing to lock this thread if Hhampuz is able to do the following:
*deny stealing money from BestMixer, or from any other client of his
*explain that he moved the bitcoin belonging to BestMixer for xx reason -- he does not need to stipulate the address the bitcoin was moved to via ChipMixer
*confirm if the bitcoin has been returned to BestMixer, and if not, confirm that he is able and willing to return their money upon their public request

If 2 or 3 contradict with publicly available information, this thread will remain unlocked, and if additional information or complaints become public (that contradict with his answers to 2 or 3), the thread will become unlocked.

The above offer will remain in effect until 23:59 UTC Sunday July 7.

You can note that the question as to what happened to BestMixer's money was poised to Hhampuz over 24 hours prior to this thread being opened.

I would encourage everyone to review the scam accusation against LiveCoin, and make a decision for themselves. There is a flag against LiveCoin, and there is one person on DT who is not being paid by LiveCoin opposing the flag, three people who are paid by LiveCoin who are opposing the flag, and 10 people on DT who are supporting the flag.

The above should make it clear that payment (indirectly) from LiveCoin is clouding certain people's judgment. The reason for recent open spots for this campaign is because people have left in light of the above referenced scam accusation.

You are wrong. Non-advertising personal messages are allowed.

I appreciate your acknowledgement that you are aware of the scam accusation against the company you are advertising for, along with the fact that there is a valid flag against it. The fact that you choose to continue advertising for a company you have knowledge of this will not go unnoticed, nor unremembered.

I know that you are willing to abandon your ethics for minimal amounts of money, however I would encourage you, and others to do the right thing and to stop advertising for LiveCoin.

You should edit the title to reflect the protests are *against* the proposed extradition law.

The law in question would have allowed the Chinese government to have anyone in Home Kong extradited to China who is accused of breaking Chinese law. The problem with this law is it would effectively allow the Chinese government to prosecute anyone in Hong Kong who has been critical of the Chinese government -- the Chinese government has a long history fo human rights violations, including the persecution of those who are critical of the government.

What you describe is in no way cold storage. You are describing a process in which you are creating private keys that are associated with the addresses on the cards you are selling. This is a very bad security practice.

Yes for the LiveCoin campaign. Although the campaigns that Hhampuz runs seems to always pay more than what others run, have much more liberal posting requirements than campaigns run by others and other campaigns have no problem attracting other participants into their campaigns. The only exception is ChipMixer campaign that has been running for two years with the same rates.

You can draw your own conclusions, but I have privately speculated there are some shenanigans going on.

I think it is more likely that someone is telling him that he is wrong in regards to his handling of the LiveCoin flag, and keeping the signature campaign open, and/or that I was not wrong for messaging those in the LiveCoin campaign to notify them of the now active flag.


I think Hhampuz should have done the right thing and close down the LiveCoin campaign. I get that the ~quarter BTC is a lot of money to earn from running it every month, but there is a good amount of evidence that LiveCoin is acting in a way that a reputable person should not want to be associated with -- preventing customers who publicly criticize the company from withdrawing their deposits -- and no amount of money should compromise his (or anyone who is participating in the campaign) ethics. If I were in his situation, I would most certainly be unhappy about having to give up that income, but I unequivocally would have done the right thing.   

I am able to confirm that he is correct about this particular rating.

His opposition to the LiveCoin flag (and a number of other flags) is questionable though.

Soweit mir bekannt ist, hat LiveCoin nicht betrogen, als ich an der Kampagne teilgenommen habe.

Wenn Sie jemandem vorschlagen, der an der LiveCoin-Kampagne teilgenommen hat, die erhaltenen Beträge zurückzuzahlen, stimmen Sie wahrscheinlich darin überein, dass Sie Ihre LiveCoin-Signatur entfernen sollten.

Ich würde Sie ermutigen, den referenzierten Thread zu lesen.

Es scheint, dass jemand Bitcoin eingezahlt, eine Münze mit einem 51% igen Anhang an der Blockchain gekauft, am Abheben gehindert, ein Ticket geöffnet und negative Informationen in den sozialen Medien gepostet hat. Nachdem die Person negative Informationen über LiveCoin in sozialen Medien gepostet hat, wurde sie anscheinend daran gehindert, etwas von ihrem Konto abzuheben, bis sie alle negativen Informationen über LiveCoin entfernt hat.

Sie zahlen sehr gut für ihre Signaturwerbung, aber das oben Genannte würde mich über die Werbung für ihr Unternehmen beunruhigen, weil es den Anschein hat, als würden sie ihren Kunden absichtlich Schaden zufügen.

Hhampuz hat zugegeben, dass es ein Problem mit LiveCoin gibt, aber er hat beschlossen, die Werbung trotzdem offen zu halten, weil er viel Geld dafür bekommt.

This is unsurprising. I don’t doubt that forcing consensus for trust ratings (flags) will lead to lauda being discredited.

Well hopefully most people will be willing to put their ethics of not advertising for what now appears to be a scam above a few hundred dollars per week.

In light of the revelations in this thread, I have notified the participants of the LiveCoin signature campaign of this thread, and of the active flag against LiveCoin.

It is interesting that you acknowledge there is a valid scam accusation, yet you decide to continue the campaign. 

LiveCoin has also acknowledged seizing their customers deposit for an arbitrary reason:

I guess your ethics can be bought for less than the 0.06/week you are receiving for running this campaign.

You need to enter a search query, and cannot use a wildcard in the query. You can get around this by searching for "e" which is a letter that almost every message should have.

Unfortunately, you cannot search your outbox, however people commonly quote all or part of a received message when replying.

Both Hhampuz and pandukelana2712 (who is wearing a LiveCoin signature) both are opposing the flag.

It appears that signature campaign that pays both these members has benefits beyond the advertising.

Lol, I support this application :d

This guy is as qualified as some of the people in the campaign.

It seems their strategy is to ignore accusations, and allow their supporters to ignore and distract from evidence of theft, and scamming.

This post is a smear attempt by someone with a history of defending scammers in order to divert attention away from Hhampuz.

Anyone is free to review this thread for themselves and make their own decision.