vested in NVO largely to support the building out of the SafeNetwork. I have lost confidence in the NVO team. The communication from the NVO team I've seen on the Safe Forum (see link below) was unprofessional at best and disturbing at worst. https://safenetforum.org/t/nvo-decentralized-exchange-crowdsale/13608/969
If refunds are available I would like to opt out of the NVO project. a project launched 1 month ago and they are hiring a team, offered help, devs, maybe money and someone is complaining? read between the FUD, you can question the words, lack of professionalism and arrogance, but i don't see the SAFE will to help. are we kidding? if you are a REAL NVO investor and supporter maybe you could be ashamed by nemgun but ANGRY by the SAFE answers... just tell NVO what you lack and what they can do to help you and the project, then agree to help with what they need if you are fine. if you don't believe in the project, people ecc (hey they can hire who they want with $7 mill) just tell them no. you have invested in NVO to support SAFE? why haven't you bought Maidsafecoins instead? in the whitepaper is stated that SAFE might not be used. have you read? Thank you migello for your support and assistance, at the moment we only had 3 requests for refund, one who had personnal issues and therefore asked to be refunded, the second was worried about the Chinese laws and the recent events, and the third one wanted to take advantage of the split to claim BCH. They want to pollute the thread on bitcointalk, these little trolls, just because they have a problem with the money, some have been annoyed by the 8 millions collected during the crowdsale. They just want to try to force investors to ask for refunds, but it doesn't work, there was a dump issue on counterpart due to the split. You can check the counterpart DEX, the volume is pretty well, and the price goes up. If you notice, most of these links points towards the moments when I get down with the insults, I asked for documents and I've been asked to dig, I have endured many things. In their mind, maidsafe is so immense that there cannot be an architecture, so it is necessary to make podcasts and several whitepapers while everything must have a global architecture, even if it is a simple "ULM" architecture. For them there are so many buildings that can not be summarized on a simple architecture, whereas in this case it is necessary to make an architecture in order to be able to keep track of the functionalities of each building. They told me to go on their github and that from there, I could see the structure, and yet even their github lack organization. They have switched from safe_launcher to safe_browser, but the safe_launcher repo is still there while they have an archieving account. |
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is NVO working on the same type of project as Safe Exchange? What is the main difference between the two?
I remember the Maidsafe community supporting Safe Exchange to a point that critics were kicked out of the forum. Why is the community acting differently towards NVO?
Nah, SAFE exchange decided to go blockchain well over a year ago, they have nothing to do with maidsafe or safe network, despite the name. I think the one he built (it's just one young dude I think) is called chilli blockchain or something, I'm not sure. Their project is also a marketplace more than currency exchange, or both at least. More like openbazaa. Safe Exchange also raised like $50k for their market, NVO raised $7m and has a full team of devs. I don't think the two projects are very similar. There was a lot more potential for success in NVO right from the start and the goals were very different. I expect there will be several exchanges built on SAFE though, probably lots of SAFE based crypto's too... if it all works that is. Glad we can put it behind us Nemgun. Thank you Jabba for putting things in order, and especially for telling me that SAFEex is Chile coin, I heard about it, it is a shit that was on icostart, they tried to make an ICO scam of blackcoin, fortunately they closed. So from the beginning I have been insulted by the SAFE community without even realizing it ? If SAFEex is really related to chili coin, you can tell him goodbye, it will never exist. Thank you very much for clarifying things Jabba.
Why there has been issued an additional 15.000.000 units, totalling in 30.000.000 NVST ?
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Yes there was a bug during the creation of the tokens, it resulted in the creation of an additional 15M coins, they have been sent to a burn address. Please check this link : https://xchain.io/asset/NVSTClick on "Holders" The 15M surplus have been sent to that BURN address : 1BURNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXTVanmh Counterparty market is shyte.Volume is pathetic and its also a buggy platform.Should have used waves platform.When can you trade this on a decent exchange with volume?
There was a lot of confusion recently with the Bitcoin blockchain, however, i am sure that we will get some news during the next few days. XCP and Bitcoin withdrawals have been disabled by several exchanges, it would have been the same for NVST, we will communicate as soon as we have more informations. |
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is NVO working on the same type of project as Safe Exchange? What is the main difference between the two?
I remember the Maidsafe community supporting Safe Exchange to a point that critics were kicked out of the forum. Why is the community acting differently towards NVO?
To be honest, I have no idea about this project. For now, i know only about one interesting technology in this field which is Bitshares. However we will use a different technology, will it be open osurce ? yes, but it will be patented to avoid bad manipulations. |
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Welcome to the forum, are you an investor to say that the investors want to be refunded ?
Thanks for the welcome, even if I've been a member of this forum for about 3 years longer than you have. Yes I am an investor. As you've said that NVO will offer refunds to investors who want one, can I please request a refund because I've lost all confidence in the NVO team based on the discussion in the MaidSafe forum? Can you please arrange a refund for my investment of around 0.25 BTC? I can PM details if you're willing to refund me, or should I contact Tonbi, who told people on the MaidSafe forum that he won't offer any more refunds & people should use the counterparty DEX to exit (which is now at a significant loss)? Please let me know how to get a refund from NVO. Could you please join us on slack and transmit it to @marto or @tonbi to confirm it.
Will raised bitcoin funds from crowdsale benefit from bitcoin cash fork tomorrow?
We don't know, i personally support bitcoin core, segwit, however it still doesn't exist and i think it is too early to talk about it.
If you are building a house you would have an architectural plan, all in one place. If you are building a new settlement you have lots of different plans for lots of different aspects and areas of your settlement, it would not all be contained in one place. You wouldn't have plans and details about your water treatment system in the same place as your political or economic plans.
Anyway, whatever, you've said you'll wait the three months and you've said you will refund any requests (not what was implied on the safe forums), that's as much as I could ask so I have no more beef of any kind here. Well done for doing those things, I think they are the right thing to do.
I wish you luck, I don't think you're a bad guy and don't know if you are an amazing developer or not, but I hope so and I hope the project is a success because the world does need a decent dex.
peace out
I thank you for what you said, it has really pleased me. But even to make a beautiful city it takes architecture, even when a president arrives, it has an architecture to set up. But i really appreciated what you said, apparently you are very rational. To confirm what I say, the government, the ministers, are only skills, recruited in relation to the main architecture, the president. |
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"Jabba saying that people want to be refunded"
I did not say that, I said IF people want to be refunded you should honour any request. I also said quite clearly I was not one of the investors.
"we demanded an architecture which is normal but we have been unable to find it."
It would be 'normal' to raise the $7M AFTER looking closely into maidsafe and how safenet works, not before.
"This is why i asked the safe architecture, but they don't have it"
They do have it, but it is all in parts/sections. The documentation exists in massive repositories, each piece of the picture being bigger than many crypto projects are in their entirety.
There is a mountain of text, whitepapers, the wiki github, everything you need except a spoon fed single document of 10,000 pages that contains it all in one place.
"Meanwhile, as i haven't got the document"
All the documentation is public. You can go and find whatever you want, don't expect very busy maidsafe devs to walk you through anything, just go an find whatever it is that you need, you've been told where the data is.
"I do not need to listen to the podcasts or see videos, I need to see the code, I have done it, now I need to see the architecture"
You've done it? Have you looked on github? Have you seen how much code there is any how many sections/libraries. No human being could have taken a good look at their code in that time. It just sounds mad. Code for what. It's like saying 'I've had a good look at the code for the internet today, now someone tell me about the architecture'. This is not some simple little DLT project which is contained all in one whitepaper.
"What is missing, what is needed, what needs to be deployed and what are the means I have to deploy for NVO"
You can take a look at the roadmap to see what's missing, but really it is not so much a question of what is left to be done, but what can or do you want to help with? There are things left to be done everywhere. It is a huge beast of a project. They are working hard on datachains part2 now, but that's way too complicated for anyone to just dive into, perhaps you'd like to work on some simpler stuff around safecoin now that mutable data has advanced far enough as an easy way in, or if you want to help make the APIs as developer friendly as possible that might be a good place to start. To be honest, if I was skilled enough to help I'd be looking at the areas I had skills in and seeing what I could contribute, not demanding the conductor of a huge orchestra stop playing and walk you round introducing you to each instrumental section, or to give you a document that not only describes the song being played, but the employment rights of the musicians, the building plans and the accounting stuff for ticket sales. All these things are speerate and have their own areas, the conductor is too busy to walk anyone through it all, even someone who would like to help if they can. It is not an easy thing to help with, they hire very selectively and try to waste as little time as they can catchng up their own full time staff. They don't have time to personally take on catching up potential helpers who they don't know.
"You should do some cleaning in the repo, keep it clean, you said you have migrated from safe launcher to a safe browser, but safe launcher is still there."
It is still there for a reason, some app devs were using it for their own builds of mock routing... or something like that anyway. It will be removed when it is no longer being used by anyone.
"Imagine that you builds a hotel, you're just going to tell him, that it is more beautiful compared to the ancient with more features. He won't care about that, he will ask you the plan to know where to begin."
Great example, and if you take a hotel in this example what you are asking for is a single document that contains the building plans as well as the business plans for the hotel, the accounts, the grocery orders for the kitchen and the employee records. All these things exist, but not in one place, what part of this hotel are you interested in? It is all made out of code and all built in the digital world, but it has even more parts that are even more distinct than in these examples.
"I hope you understand what I'm saying, it's simpler to make mine that's all."
I am being completely honest and not facetious when I say that if you can make your own safenet before maidsafe has launched then I will absolutely apologise to you in a very public way. I would love for you to achieve those goals - 'privacy, security, freedom, for everyone'. That is what I really care about (I suppose I'd like to get rich off it too, but that isn't how I found crypto and it's not why I'm here). If you can win us those goals then I will become an evangelist for every future endeavour from you. The only thing that might help me sleep at night is a solution to the dystopian future of centralised control that looms over our heads. If you can save my kids from that then I will be forever grateful. The reason I defend David Irvine is because he has been working hard to try and achieve that goal for over a decade and he has always been completely honest and transparent, and he has never done it for the money or to try to get rich - unlike most other projects in crypto.
Jabba, i appreciate you a lot, especially because of your username, even if you love trolling me recently, but it is not a problem and i can understand. you know, we refunded many investors for different reasons on our personal funds, we do it for all the users who join on slack. Some was scared regarding the recent events in China, and we refunded them. So yes, people are refunded whenever they ask for it, without even disturbing the escrows, why do you mingle into it, people on safenet have said they want to be refunded, they have been sent private messages, and they have not replied . Ton said he was going to put his own money and not the funds from the crowdsale, in order to spare the development as we withdrawn 9%, not 30% because it's enough for now, for the next milestone. You should stop saying it's a beast, it's complicated, if you have the skills you can help on simple tasks. As long as we see maidsafe as an endless task, it will never end. There is no problem about the conductor to continue to play, I have nothing against that, he can play without interuption he is not disturbing me at all. But I will explain, it is a developement project, so to do a roadmap you need architecture, and if you can not give me this architecture I can not go ahead, I understand an architecture, But I do not understand random indications given to me. Imagine I am a contractor specializing in building, an old lady having problems contacts me to help her. She tells me that the plumbing is broken, I would ask her where is the leak, where are the pipes, she would answer me asking to guess. I say okay, I'll guess their location and try to do some research. Once it's good, she tells me there's an infiltration in the house, I tell her ok I'll fix it. She will tell me that she has an electrical problem, I will ask her the electrical plans, she will answer me vaguely remember the indications of her husband ... I could give many more. Let me say that I repaired all the problems that she indicated to me, leaving the house I take the car to go home, the old lady calls me saying that there was a small earthquake and That her house was destroyed, I her why, and she replie that the pillars were rusty. Conclusion, everyone would have just lost his time and money trying to repair without taking into account the architectural aspect, and working blindly. We would have simply had to rebuild the house since the start. It's the same thing in development, especially when you have a beast, it's one more reason to make it architecture to avoid hacks, minimize the bugs ... Now, I said that one of our members would go to see maidsafe, offer them a global audit, it is normal all companies do it, and afterwards we will judge on what we can start seriously. |
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It's nice to see the forum getting along so well  I also remain skeptical about being able to replicate SAFENET with Safenet10.0 it is a 10+ year project and still in development for a reason. Now admittedly I don't understand the coding and network side of hows its built so there maybe there is some way it can be done that I'm not aware of. I would make the project open source through github; otherwise it does come off as brash and arrogant to raise millions for a promised project built on the network essentially saying "Hey we trust this network enough to build our project on it" then turn around and say "Wait nevermind the project is too disorganized and cluttered to build our project on it so we're going to build the project on our own network." That sounds both very unrealistic and makes the team look disorganized on top of it because now the roadmap and details have changed and that in turn makes NVO look like a pipe dream to investors. I would offer either a refund to those that want it as the terms of the roadmap have changed by a huge degree and open source the projects if you haven't already to show you are as serious can be to bring this project to life. I sort of agree. Refunds must be facilitated upon request if the investors lose trust in the devs and their approach. However, this is just the first month after the ico ended and devs changing their mind about the base of the platform is alarming, it is not a step backwards. What is alarming indeed is the fact that this comes out within the first month after ico ended. I would lave hoped that the NVO devs had close contact with the SAFE team and knew what they're getting themselves into before announcing "Hey, - I"VE GOT THIS" sort of attitude. I really wonder how this will turn out... There is a missunderstanding here, no one received a refund demand, Ton sent private messages to all the users who wanted to be refunded, no one answered, however we received a message from Jabba saying that people want to be refunded, while he haven't invested. It means that it is just a way to destabilize NVO and its investors. Secondly, the roadmap haven't changed, even on the website. It is normal to have problems at the begining as we started to work, we demanded an architecture which is normal but we have been unable to find it. As soon as we finish to stabilize the global architecture we will push it on github, it is not a problem. Architecture ==> Requirements ==> Skills ==> Recruitments ==> Estimated delivery time ==> Roadmap ==> This is how does it works. This is why i asked the safe architecture, but they don't have it, which caused some issues. From the side of NVO without maidsafe, the architecture is already made, you may have seen on the screen, you should have an idea about the features of the wallet, which means there was an architecture, requirements, skills. Now for the validator, i said that i will use blockstream tech, as element lets you use a sidechain who's purpose is to record trading informations to let people trade offline in a decentralized storage. I am working on this architecture, how to fully decentralize it, how not to keep controle over it. This is why i asked for a maidsafe architecture, the safe launcher have been replaced by safe browser, forked from https://github.com/beakerbrowser/beaker , i know about the next developments related to browsers as they want to change the way we use APIs and websockets, browsers want to implement the usage of P2P technologies and use them instead. My problematic here is that i don't want to get access to the private keys, this is why i talk about a decentralized exhcange, no one should have access to any information. I am not interested by self-encryption, i want to kepp nothing on the user-side, i checked it, and it is not what i was looking for, this is why i asked an architecture to know the full features, where will it go. It is totally legitimate to ask for such a document. I asked for this document as would have helped me to bring developers for maidsafe in order to work on the issues, the unfinished code, and what haven't started yet. Meanwhile, as i haven't got the document, i have a second project with personal working on it, i found solutions there and though it would be helpful, it is legitimate too, it would bring a fresh air in the project, but it went in a drama. I never said that we won't use maidsafe, as i can't help them, can't offer a technology, i can just wait, i said that in 4 months if they are not ready we will have to check for a different technology, and it have been said during the crowdsale. |
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Dude it is you who doesn't want to listen. You keep repeating yourself and ignoring the response.
What is about SAFE specifically that you want to learn about? Do you want to learn about Data Chains (more effort than learning about blockchain from scratch), or do you want to learn about Routing (that's a really big one and not for the faint of heart), or Data republish, or Node ageing, do you just want to take a look through the APIs? Perhaps you want to see more on how the economics and farming rewards will work? Or is SAFEcoin itself more interesting to you?
OORRRRR do you want to see some very broad big picture stuff so you can find out where you want to dive in? If you want the broad big picture stuff to get the 10,000 ft view then yes, I'd say the blog and some of the videos and podcasts are a great place to START. There are not 300 hours there and David has only appeared in handful of them, but there are plenty of good ones to get you started. Once you get a picture of how all the pieces fit together THEN you can dive into specific things with plenty of documentation to guide you - RFCs, mountains of code, plenty of text write ups and whitepapers, mathematical analysis and a dedicated developer forum to ask questions in etc.
You went to David with a question like "So, this new internet thing, how does it work, I want a single document explaining it all for me?" He is way too busy to guide anyone through the answer to that question. Of course there is no short answer to it. As he said, dive in and ask questions. It is hard work, many developers who are used to much simpler ideas and projects do shy away from it. Its value is not determined by the ease with which you can grasp it all from documentation in one place though. Its value will come from the utility of the product if it works - just like the current web it seeks to replace.
I don't know why you keep referring to the podcasts rather than all the text links. You already had your crowdsale, you should already have the 10,000ft view. I think the reason David gave those links as well is because you did not seem to understand what SAFE is or how it works. You said you had created safenet10.0 on your own in a few days. Of course that sounds crazy, so David linked you to information that would help a noob get the big picture of how it all works. You didn't even bother to investigate though, you just declared that you know best and the project can't work because it is too big to put in one document.
I do get emotional about maidsafe because it is a very important project. That browser you love so much was built by someone in the community with donations funded by us last year - before crypto exploded and money was more of an issue. I personally donated 1btc towards it back then. You are right that I feel passionately about this, but I think I do it for the right reasons.
No one wants or needs nvo money though - apart from your investors.
BIGbtc, a random forum member, kept asking for it, that's just his way. No one else is trying to solicit money from you. Please show me any evidence of anyone from maidsafe asking for money when not in response to being offered it?
All you have to do to stop me posting here is to stop posting inaccurate and misleading things about maidsafe.
As long as you are respectful, you can post as much as you want, any questions you want with great pleasure. You have almost understood what I ask, it could even be a book, a global assessment, where you are, where you are going to go, which parts lack development, what was the initial vision, Architecture of departure, see what has been changed and why, a general audit. I do not need to listen to the podcasts or see videos, I need to see the code, I have done it, now I need to see the architecture to take the final result. What is missing, what is needed, what needs to be deployed and what are the means I have to deploy for NVO, as I said, NVO has to use maidsafe, which is why I Asked for a global plan, there must surely be a year-end balance sheets on the state of progress, what is missing in the code, the reason for this lack, from there, yes, we will be able to deploy something , And it is only then that I could see all of it. You should do some cleaning in the repo, keep it clean, you said you have migrated from safe launcher to a safe browser, but safe launcher is still there. Put it in order, we know that the safe launcher have been replace by the safe browser with safe auth, one has been updated, and the other abandoned, then put some order, do some cleaning, that's all I ask, thanks to this, we can make interesting projections, organize yourself. Oh look at what I posted whilst the fund raiser was being carried out and no-one listened to me: There's some big warning signs here.
Firstly, it's a decentralised exchange but the key part of the code won't be open source or explained? That's a fail straight away.
Secondly, I'm highly skeptical they have a bullet proof algorithm in place. It looks to me like they are just hoping to raise a ton of money and figure it all out later on - hardly fair on investors. Either that or it's a carbon copy of one of the existing DEX algorithms that are working out in the wild - e.g. Blocknet.
If you guys can't answer questions on how it works, you are not going to inspire shrewd investors to part with their money. Blocknet for example uses check lock time verify to lock up the funds used for the cross chain trading swaps until the transaction is complete. It has anti-ddos measures in place to prevent orderbook spam. People run the service nodes which handle the trading fees, masternodes cost 5000 Block and collect a proportion of the fees. And so on. How do the validators handle all of this?
"It looks to me like they are just hoping to raise a ton of money and figure it all out later on" Well, if we were interested by the funds, we would have taken the 30% of the first milestone directly, however, we took just what we need around 9%, we don't want to waste the funds. "It is also my right to give my personal opinion when I say that it is managed like an IT sect, because I can not imagine a developer listening to 300 hours of podcasts, at the rate of 8 hours a day, he would go crazy, That's why I said to delete them because they have no utility." David has never made any podcasts, some of the community have and he has been interviewed a few times. Why will you not listen? He gave you a link to a few in case you wanted to listen to one or two to get the big picture, so you then know where to dive in to learn about internet 2.0 from actual developer focused documentation. The podcasts are NOT for devs. Devs should already have a big picture understand and be going through documentation and code. You asked the most basic question possible (how can I learn about this thing?), so you got the broadest answer, 'go dig, here's all the links from big picture to RFCs and code'. David works like 19 hour days, how would he have time to walk you through huge mounds of documentation? You need to decide what it is that you want to learn about, then start there. You don't need any help or guidance, none of the other App devs or core devs were given a single doc either, yet they are all working away. 20'ish core devs and another dozen or more App developers all managed to get their head around SAFE after a few weeks/months of reading and asking questions. Why not ask any of them how they started learning about it and where the best docs are for the things you want to learn about rather than asking the head of the project who is way too busy for that? https://forum.safedev.org/You understand better and better what i mean, I do not have months or weeks to listen, to seek, to dig, I already have the tools, I know the languages. So what I'm asking is the global plan, I give you an example: When you take a mason to build a house, he asks you the architectural plan, you do not tell him dig, or check with the neighbor he will explain better, or go see the plumber he has an idea, or dig well you will find Chalk and you will understand what I mean, or even learn. He already knows his job, he already know how to build and you ask him to learn ? Imagine that you builds a hotel, you're just going to tell him, that it is more beautiful compared to the ancient with more features. He won't care about that, he will ask you the plan to know where to begin. It's the same thing when you say you're going to do an internet 2.0, you need a plan, imagination is good, but you have to write it down and order it. And so you understood that if I have to recruit developers for maidsafe, I will just lose money by telling them dig, you have months and weeks paid to dig. This is a fundamental explanation because it means that you still have nothing at all, you tell people, understand our idea, and invent it, that's why I said I will do My own safenet if you do not manage to do it because I have to find out yours by myself. I hope you understand what I'm saying, it's simpler to make mine that's all. Understand that you still have not started serious things, simply because of lack of structure. A lot of people could understand what I said. Soon a team member will meet David, he will ask if we can send someone for a global audit, in order to prepare an architecture, the reports will be shared by both teams, the audit would give a global note, an architecture we could publish publicly, from there, we could all work more seriously, it is the most professional solution i can offer. If we have a negative note from the audit, we would have to go for a different technology, something more reliable and realisable, It is enough just to be honest and to put to the evidence. |
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That is funny if they want to build their own safenet. It seems 10+ years of development is not enough and they can do better That's right - and they've said they're going to do it in 4 months. And they already managed to get it working by accident apparently. They also didn't realise that the SafeNet is already running under testing & say the code is fundamentally flawed (but cannot comment on what this flaw is). The bizare arrogance / ignorance / nastiness of the NVO team is strange to see play out. It's a shame that they managed to get $7m from people, and I hope their Escrows offer refunds to anyone who can now clearly see the disgusting character of this team. Thanks Jabba for making sure there is accountability for what the NVO team has been saying. However, there's nothing wrong with being 26 - just a lot wrong with being arrogant, abrasive, ignorant, untruthful, threatening, and the likes  Young people are more creative and usually more idealistic and enthusiastic too. I'm all for young people  . I was all for nemgun when I first heard about the project and spoke to him in PM. But if you were in school uniform for two years after the birth of a project then it's probably wise to be a tiny bit humble and recognise that you have very little experience next to these other folks though. It was just the audacity of it that got me. Vitalik never showed this kind of disrespect to David and he was younger with more achievements behind him, they discussed the differences in their approaches and philosophies in a civilised way, and Vitalik showed and was shown respect. I apologise if I came off as age-ist, that was not my intent. I was just trying to hammer home why he should maybe be a little bit humble before he really knows what he is talking about - there is no way he can understand what SAFE is or how it really works yet, it takes weeks/months of dedicated work for that, even for a super-bright young coder with lots of blockchain experience (since SAFE is nothing like a blockchain). Anyway, I get your point, I should not be so personal. I just feel a little betrayed since I stood up for nvo and quite liked numgun before yesterday's episode. Cheeky bugger speaking to David like that with no evidence, really made me angry and upset me... as you can probably tell. Anyway, I'll leave it there. People can make up their own minds. I have betrayed no one, let me explain my personal opinion, I have only 9 years left as lead dev in the best scenario. I was lucky to have a computer at the age of 3 years, you should know that all developers says they had access to a computer from their young age, the thing is that today my Son have a smart phone, he have access to a much more powerful computer than what I had, so the future generation will be much more impressive than the one of which I am a part. Simply because they will adapt more easily to computers and new technologies than me. The problem is that when we see someone like David Irvine, we expect to see something more ordered and disciplined because they he have the necessary experience to understand that everything must be ordered. On the other hand, what put me off is that i haven't found an architecture, nor this order at maidsafe, instead i have found podcasts. With age I would start to lose my memory, I will have to start writing everything, arrange it, put it in place so as not to forget it, and don't lose people around me. It was an education I received from my father, and I have been punished all my life for discipline and order. I applied this method and it is thanks to that that I succeed in my career. Now that I have recruited a mentor, spokesperson and representative who arranges and structures my ideas, validates the work done, I am lucky that he is an IT consultant whom I seek advices from, very Respectuous, resonable, and I told him that I can have many ideas and that I need help to structure all that, you can say that he does a lot of baby sitting with me , i know that i have defects and I try to correct them. But to say that I betrayed maidsafe simply because I pointed out the error committed by David Irvine is serious. I remind you that at 40-50 years you can remarry, make a normal life again, it is not like you were 70 years old. But when there is something, I can not be hypocritical and silent, it is not my style. And I was not disrespectful, I was threatening yes with development, it is my right to ask my supplier to do his job properly because I have to answer my investors, it is not logical that the core tells you to dig when you ask for information, or that it does not have time to talk and redirecting to the podcasts. It is also my right to give my personal opinion when I say that it is managed like an IT sect, because I can not imagine a developer listening to 300 hours of podcasts, at the rate of 8 hours a day, he would go crazy, That's why I said to delete them because they have no utility. |
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Wow. Who dumped thousands of NVST? Now the price is only $0.37 at Counterparty Dex  ... It's overpriced at that imo. They have pivoted away from safenet and claim they can build their own safenet10.0 in the next few months instead. I'd guess everyone who bought in because of maidsafe style security and 11 years of development work and patents will bow out asap now. It doesn't seem to have any credible associations left as far as I can see, so now it's just a couple of 20 something's with big ideas. :/ Outside of the crypto bubble an investment proposition like that might be worth two zero's less than it raised in its ico. I'm a SAFE fanboy through and through, so perhaps I'm biased, but I'm glad I didn't invest in the end. That is funny if they want to build their own safenet. It seems 10+ years of development is not enough and they can do better The fact is that no one even wanted to hear what tried to say, i repeated in all my posts that they need an architecture, not podcasts, when you recruit developers to work on a project, you don't ask them to listen for 300 hours of podcasts, you give them requirements and you tell them what to do, it is not preparing a cake and taste it after, even the cooks have recipes, designs ... Only an amateur could think that podcasts could solve the problem, it is like your grany, listening to recipes on the radio, but i don't she was a stared chief or restaurant manager just by listening to radio, you need to study in order to manage that. If you want to ignore it, i will respect your decision. Please don't issue threats. There is nothing you can do to me or David or Maidsafe. I'm a 40 year old father of two who's retired, not some silly kid who will be 'warned off' by a childish threat (FYI, grown-ups don't make threats, that strictly the preserve of children). I am not a spokesperson for the community. I'm a member of it and I feel guilty for speaking up in support of your project, so now I feel that I have a responsibility to be equally vocal now that I see how wrong I was. This whole mess is 100% your making. You were as rude as I have EVER heard someone be to David, purely insulting right from the start. At first I thought it was a language barrier, but now I see it is just that you are 26 and very immature... threats, I mean really?! You know where threats end up don't you? Either in court or in a spiral of malicious action. Threats won't get you anywhere. "Thank you little jesus 2.0 for your conception of crappy coding, with your shitty safenetwork, to realize that I have sinned in a code, and haven't even found a virus, nothing, so it is rotten. I hope that the great david irvine could excuse my javascript. On this, in the name of c ++, java, and php, I ask you to clear this thread before I get angry." This makes no sense at all. And you know SAFE is written in RUST right? Of course you do, you have made a qualified judgement about the code that you never read and only just discovered doesn't have an overarching single document for... I strongly recommend you not issue any more threats to anyone here or on maidsafe forum. It does not make you look or sound good. If you have proof of anything bad in maidsafe then please show it publicly. No threats required. I am not interested in maidsafe if there is something bad about them, if they are a scam then I and everyone else deserve to know about it - although I'd say no 26 year old could know that after a few weeks of looking, it is too big a project for that. After 2 years of my own DD I am totally confident that maidsafe is 100% legit, If I'm wrong I'd love to know why, so don't threaten, just reveal. Personal threats against me are truly bizarre and make me more than a little bit angry, as you can probably tell. Are you threatening physical violence against me? Should I contact the authorities to report it? There is no other obvious way to attack me since I'm retired? Hurt my rep? I don't have one. I'm just a lowly cryptophile investor and no one gives a crap about me, nor do I give a damn what anyone thinks. As I said, I will only post to correct lies and misinformation, if you don't want me to post then please stop posting trash and rubbish; you caused this whole mess by being as rude as any person has ever been to anyone else. I find it amazing that you have found a way to try to project blame elsewhere, but the thread is there for anyone to read. From post 770 onwards. https://safenetforum.org/t/nvo-decentralized-exchange-crowdsale/13608/1086I think we should let folks make up their own minds eh? Since it is all maidsafe's fault I'm sure you agree that investors should go read it all and make up their own minds. Then everyone will see just how rational and calm you are and how rude and unfair the community were to you  "jesus" What because I stand up for people who I think are being wronged and I try to do the right thing? I did the same with you when I thought you were being wrongly attacked. I spoke up and defended you many times, now I feel that maidsafe have been wronged I will defend them, that's what all people do isn't it, stand up for what they think is right? If you can produce real evidence to show maidsafe is a 'scam' then I would really appreciate seeing it and I'd thank you for it and for saving me from my own mistake. I think you have a moral duty to share really, since maidsafe have a lot of people's money invested and those investors deserve to know if there's some reason that the code can't make good on the promises they've made. As I said though, the community is full of PhDs and IT professionals, what have you discovered that none of these other people who each have decades more experience than you did not? As i said, you talk your life, your devotion to maidsafe, these are emotions, i am objective, maybe you feel nostalgic because of the years you spent there. I know that it is made with rust, the browser is made with electron, javascript and html, using the different depencies. When i said "in the name of c ++, java, and php" i meant "In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit", it was geek joke, sadly you didn't understood. That is funny if they want to build their own safenet. It seems 10+ years of development is not enough and they can do better That's right - and they've said they're going to do it in 4 months. And they already managed to get it working by accident apparently. They also didn't realise that the SafeNet is already running under testing & say the code is fundamentally flawed (but cannot comment on what this flaw is). The bizare arrogance / ignorance / nastiness of the NVO team is strange to see play out. It's a shame that they managed to get $7m from people, and I hope their Escrows offer refunds to anyone who can now clearly see the disgusting character of this team. Thanks Jabba for making sure there is accountability for what the NVO team has been saying. However, there's nothing wrong with being 26 - just a lot wrong with being arrogant, abrasive, ignorant, untruthful, threatening, and the likes Welcome to the forum, are you an investor to say that the investors want to be refunded ? I concluded that your unique problem is the funds collected by the crowdsale as it apears to be bothering you, we won't give money blindly to maidsafe, as many users in the safenetforum wants to. I said that we were ready to fund developers to work on maidsafe, as only an architecture can provide the requirements, which will result in the required skills, it alse tells you where you are, and where you are going, i have been asked to dig in order to find these answers, this is how i understood that the project is managed in a chaotic way. The only way to solve the issue is to delet everything and start with an architecture, a starting plan, something organized and ordered, and most of all structured. Be sure that i asked Yani, myself, developers and two consultants wether they could work with the actual state, they said no because it is disoredered and they have troubles to find a starting point. that's why i said that it would be better to erase everything and start with new basics, as it is like asking a builder to build a home without a plan, there will be no harmony, no sismic calculation, it is the same. I am giving examples to carry a message i want you to understand. The result would be simply offered to the maidsafe community, but i see that it annoyed you, i have been asked to give money instead, people mocking me, no one even tried to know what i was talking about. I offered a technology, developers, a smart investment, and no Jabba i don't have time to investigate, i too busy to try to help maidsafe in the background, one of the team members will soon meet David Irvine, he will simply tell him, if you need a logical help, no problem, and we ask nothing in return. Else you have a solution in the next 3 months, it is very simple. I am abrasive when i see something wrong, it is normal that i get angry. I just asked something elementary, the order, your organization. No one answered that. The subject have even been rerouted to the kardashians. |
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I am not going to quote your message, or try to answer your questions because you are promoting me, i asked David Irvine to give me an architecture, even rebuilding the world would need an architecture, he sent me to the podcasts. Continue like that and i will untrust you, and a full scam accusation of maidsafe, and i have enough arguments to lay down maidsafe, except that i am thinking about its investors.
When i joined the NVO team, i was a supporter, i asked if maidsafe will be ready in 4 months, they said for sure, they are working hard, there are updates. I told them that maidsafe is an eventual scam, they told me no worries they are not, they work.
Even my decision to join have been well though as i already had my own personal thoughts and solutions for that, else, i wouldn't have puted my name here.
Regarding the rest of the plan, i invite you to visite google one day, ask them for an architecture, they won't give you podcasts or ask you to dig informations. When you ask someone to dig, to do researches it means, you have a budget, have fun with that, discover, create. With zero budget i understood many things, and i creating my own decentralized internet as i need it for NVO.
You acted like the spokesperson of the investors while you are not, and you made suggestions to the team ... I think that you know what i mean. now i advise you not to annoy me before then i decide to put my intelligence at the disposal of your provocation as well as thows of David Irvine, I advise you to be interested in your project, and give a result in 3 months more than try to troll me.
I advise you to be very careful jabba, you and dirvine.
I didn't wanted to read the full post you made, i just checked the start, and i advise you to leave this thread, Unless you want to harm david irvine. Know that i have enough elements to proof that maidsafe is ...
Thank you little jesus 2.0 for your conception of crappy coding, with your shitty safenetwork, to realize that I have sinned in a code, and haven't even found a virus, nothing, so it is rotten. I hope that the great david irvine could excuse my javascript. On this, in the name of c ++, java, and php, I ask you to clear this thread before I get angry.
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Wow. Who dumped thousands of NVST? Now the price is only $0.37 at Counterparty Dex ... It's overpriced at that imo. They have pivoted away from safenet and claim they can build their own safenet10.0 in the next few months instead. I'd guess everyone who bought in because of maidsafe style security and 11 years of development work and patents will bow out asap now. It doesn't seem to have any credible associations left as far as I can see, so now it's just a couple of 20 something's with big ideas. :/ Outside of the crypto bubble an investment proposition like that might be worth two zero's less than it raised in its ico. I'm a SAFE fanboy through and through, so perhaps I'm biased, but I'm glad I didn't invest in the end. We never said that we "pivoted" from safenet, i just decided to stop giving my opinion on the safenetforum as i asked for a global architecture because either when you build a house, a plane, you always need a global architecture as this is how you can define the required skills for the project, the required development funds. Regarding the documentations, i don't agree with the usage of multiple whitepapers, even presidents write whitepapers, but they write only one because they have only one project. I asked for this architecture in order to planify the implementation of NVO into maidsafe, and also how will NVO help maidsafe. In exchange i received messages asking to send funds directly to maidsafe, and message asking to dig, i said that NVO will finance a part of the development. Instead, i have been directed to podcasts, which isn't how a development company works. Irvine asked me to check this link : https://safenetforum.org/c/community/podcastsEveryone can consult it, i found around 300 hours of podcasts there, if a developer costs 40$/hour, i would pay him 12.000$ to listen the podcasts, without starting to work. He would turn crazy imagine listening for that during 8 hours a day. Jabba, please don't troll me here, I'm really holding on to myself, i advise not to troll me or disrespect me. I advised to check an IT consultant, he would have said that it is catastrophic, because of this incident, and the lack of global architecture of maidsafe, i have to review the architecture of NVO and reverify it, it is not a problem, it will take about 2 weeks but i will get a result. Once again, no one officially said that NVO "pivoted" from safenet, we gave a word and will stick to it. I said that you still have 3 months, maybe this Kick in the anthill will awake you. I said since a long time that if in 4 months if safenet isn't ready, we will have to consider different technologies. Now, you provide a poor post saying that you are one of the supporters of maidsafe, and you haven't invested in NVO, so please don't say that NVO collected funds because of maidsafe. We loosed a lot of investors because ou choice for maidsafe. People who invested on NVO did it for the success of the project, we have to lead it to a fruition, what ever the difficulties we will have to face. We can't be hypocritical. I remember of an old post of dirvine who said that NVO isn't listed on all the exchanges, comparing NVST to MAID, except that he forgot how he got listed, and how he got value on exchanges. I know who helped irvine to list the coin, i won't talk in his name, but i can tell you that this person didn't knew about the results of the project in august 2017. I could ask you to check your promises on bnktothefuture and check your old roadmap, you shouldn't continue to talk like that, and start working instead of talking. If i was a bad guy, i would have simply said that safenet isn't ready, and sleep while they work. But it is not what we want to do, we have been honest and straight. I advise you to stop this discussion Jabba.
About the sweep issues. Please use this repository : https://github.com/Jpja/Sweep-XCP-PaperwalletWe had a lot of good feedbacks about its usage. If you have any issue, feel free to join us on slack for more support. |
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No, what i means is that i created a safenet when i was solving NVO issues, the thing is that it is less experimental compared to maidsafe's safenet, more functional and stronger. I will ask to the maidsafe team to check it in the next 2 months as it still needs experiments.
Great !! Keep up the good work!!! any ETA for website ecc? Thanks for the support, i really appreciate it migello. for the website, Ton is in charge, maybe in a week. |
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Sounds promising. Hope it is not just talk.
Maybe one of the third party Escrows could give an opinion on the progress? Are they still following up closeley?
I think I will dump my BCC on monday to try and accumelate some more NVST.
The escrows can't confirm for now as they are not involved in the development, however, they are still holding the funds as they release based on milestones. we had to get 30% after the crowdsale but we decided to withdraw 9% only as we had to refund the advertising, we don't want to consume the crowdsale funds and waste them, the next withdrawal will happen at the next milestone. We want to care about the funds invested and manage them as wisely as possible. |
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I've met the Enjin team and talked to them, I was super impressed with their experience working on Enjin for the last 9 years and the amount of users on their platform. This project is credible and I'm looking forward to the ICO.
I'll be honest, scam accusation aside, which been kind of baseless, they have a working platform for years. This is more than a lot of the other ICOs has and they have potential customers they can already tap into.
The thing is that no one replies to my questions, yes there are users who pays FIATS to Enjin, however they loosed 50% of their frequentation volume, i can't imagine that someone will buy Eth and Enjin coin to use it on the platform as it is more complicated for non crypto users. Knowing the team doesn't makes them trustfull. I know alex from CPS too, and he told me that they can be trusted, however when i looked deeply into the project i understood they are unexperimented. Ask yourself something, as they know alex, why haven't they mentioned him as an advisor ? The Ethereum tokens are built on a decentralized network, Enjin wants to centralize the token, which is a roll back as the project is centralized they have nothing to do with cryptos, they can create their own virtual token and use it into their platform, but it wouldn't have the same impact and wouldn't bring the same traction. |
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Damn that's a lot of coding sounds like you're a beast with this lol I like that NVO will be a strong competitor to any other decentralized exchange but question, if I read your above statement right you might be taking a different direction then implementing NVO into SafeNet and using the maidsafe 10.0 you created instead? Am I understanding that correctly?
i think the copy/paste from safenet forum is lacking something from https://safenetforum.org/t/nvo-decentralized-exchange-crowdsale/13608/813"i am not only making NVO to succeed, i am also making safenet 10.0, i think that NVO will really explode, as both have to work together." i think they say that have in store things to improve safenet to be "10x" better working together No, what i means is that i created a safenet when i was solving NVO issues, the thing is that it is less experimental compared to maidsafe's safenet, more functional and stronger. I will ask to the maidsafe team to check it in the next 2 months as it still needs experiments. |
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other bounty program Dev?
I understand that you are new to bitcointalk, but you should really care about the projects you want to get bounties from, this one is obviously a scam. Did this coin has its own game? or this will be use as the virtual currency for games that come from other developers.
Also, when will the bounty campaign started?
from a sr.member i am a little disapointed, this is a token, not even a coin, you need eth to use it, they promised bounties, but you shouldn't associate to a scam bounty, you should have a look at the whitepaper and you will see that it is a scam. You will also note that there is no game. |
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http://imgur.com/a/yHBCoAlso, i promissed offline trading, resolved. I promised to solve double spending, resolved. I promised 0 conf, i found an issue, but i solved it, however it issued another problem, i burned a computer because of that as it had to manage a poloniex-like transaction volume, i understood from that the users would have to manage the same amount of transactions on their side, so i had to go for a light version, and it works pretty well, but doing so, i though about the websites who run APIs, how are they going to do if they were to be hosted on safenet. These APIs need CPU, i tried to contact dirvine, he told me he is busy and that i should talk in the forum. The safebrowser would be usefull for NVO, but i doubt that it will help in the case of a website like Poloniex or coinpayments. I asked myself a lot of questions (even burned a good computer for that), doing that, i create a maidsafe 10.0, i would need about 2 months for good experimentations, the worst is that i did it in a week, that’s why i don’t think roadmaps are relevant to me, it is true that i haven’t slept about 19 hours in a week, no DDOS possibility, cloudflare will soon retire, also, the website’s origine is hidden by the network. However, the technology is different from SafeNet. In about 3 months, i think that we could swap the maids.
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Let me tell you a story : i had a look at a book : "The history of a magician", it is the memories of Hjalmar Schacht, here is an overview of his background : Hjalmar Horace Greeley Schacht (22 January 1877 – 3 June 1970) was a German economist, banker, liberal politician, and co-founder in 1918 of the German Democratic Party. He served as the Currency Commissioner and President of the Reichsbank under the Weimar Republic. He was a fierce critic of his country's post-World War I reparation obligations. While he never joined the NSDAP, he became a supporter of Adolf Hitler, and served in Hitler's government as President of the Reichsbank (1933–1939) and Minister of Economics (August 1934 – November 1937). As such, Schacht played a key role in implementing the policies attributed to Hitler.[2] While Schacht was for a time feted for his role in the German "economic miracle," he opposed Hitler's policy of German re-armament insofar as it violated the Treaty of Versailles and (in his view) disrupted the German economy. His views in this regard led Schacht to clash with Hitler and most notably with Goering. He was dismissed as President of the Reichsbank in January 1939. He remained as a minister without portfolio, and received the same salary, until he was fully dismissed from the government in January 1943. [3] After the war, he was tried at Nuremberg but acquitted. In 1953, he founded a private banking house in Düsseldorf. He also advised developing countries on economic development. Source : Hjalmar Schacht in WikipediaWhen Hitler came at the head of germany, the government had an enormous financial issue, Schacht found a solution to avoid the Treaty of Versailles limitations and provide more funds to the government by creating the MEFO notes. The result of these notes was the re-arming of the german nation and the relaunch of their economy, it was also used to stop the galoping inflation. These notes can be compared to the actual Cryptocurrencies as both appeared during/after an economical crisis, and brings new financial levers to finance the economies of the targeted countries/networks. For me, today i see companies like snapchat, google, instagram, who brings solutions for some users, to ease the internation communications, it is good, but today we see that 90% of these applications to basically say :" Look, my life is better then yours !", You eat a chese burger and send its picture to all your friends saying "Amazing chese buger !", it is totally stupid to behave like that, it reflects a worldwide intellectual regression because instead of having an intellectual world, we got a materialist world. Today Bitcoin can resolve this kind of problem as it is a technological revolution, it attracted a lot of developers, knowledge, know-how, for example yesterday i talked to two bank companies representatives who invested into the NVO project, they did it because the presented technologie is interresting and it represents an innovation who can survive in the future, while an ERC20 token, used into a server will often create inflation instead of anything else. Because of this inflation cryptocurrencies are beign regulated by organisms like the SEC because of the eventual scams regarding their respective citizens, which means that somewhere, it will soon be regulated but meanwhile everyone is taking advantage of the hype like Ejin does, why do they need to take advantage of the ethereum hype ? Into the posts of the first thread (locked now) Enjin said they earn about 1Million $ a month, why does a million project needs to do a crowdsale ? First, it is totally idiot to use a token, it means they will have to change their initial currency (USD) to their token (which is uncertain) which means that they will risk to loose their users because of the confusion experienced by the new crypto users, will they provide an internal exchange ? it will need a lisence, which means they will ask their users to go to an exchange in order to get or sell their tokens and buy/sell ethereum to realise the transfers, while the answer is more simple. They never got 1 Million $ a month, they loosed 30% of their userbase during the last few month, even if they still have a lot of users, 30% is a hard hit to their platform, while all the gaming platforms experience an increased frequentation during summer time because of the holidays. In other words, their platform loosed 30% of its users during the last 4 months and this is why they decided to use an ethereum token, just to fake the frequentation of their platform and hype it using Ethereum and crypto users, after that, they mayt sell the platform and go with the funds. The big question, they said they will sell different products into their platform, does a designer would like to be paid in ERC20 Token, Bitcoin, USD, or Ethereum ? For me, the main currencies are the most logical ones ETH BTC USD are the currencies they want to use, so why haven't they implemented them in their platform ? This is why they are lieing with the Token. When a website starts to die, he never comes back, let's take Yobit as an example, or even a game, when it starts to die, it nevers comes back unless a new version is available or a big update is pushed. This is why i say this ICO is useless and shouldn't even exist, it is a non-sence. This is why they won't answer to any question and created a self-moderated post. To conclude, i spoke about Schacht to say that if these ERC20 tokens have no usage, are just a hype, and used as a way to get money from people it will encourage the different governments to issue regulations about them as they harm their citizens. Why cryptos could bother the governments ? Who will finance the highways ? security ? Social security ? hospitals ? education ? cities maintenance .... Actually it is the collected taxes who lets all these services to be maintained by the governments, it is good that Bitcoin is here because the governments abused of these taxes, however it is the best argument they have to regulate bitcoin, let's avoid giving them more arguments with these ERC20 tokens, what ever happens, Bitcoin will never really disapear, however most of the altcoins won't be able to survive because they don't bring a real technological innovation, and only the real projects will gain in value, like at the epoch of hitler with companies like Volkswagen, Porsh, Siemens, the companies who will always survive. So please, invest in projects who have a real future, not in 3 months lifespan projects. |
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Thank you Lauda, i am really pleased to see the trusted legendaries of the community lets the developers talking freely, Bitcointalk have been made originally for developers, today it starts to be a small business, just because of spamers and scamers. For reference, the old thread was : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028112.0Devs are spamers and trolls today, ignoring questions and closing threads. they prefer to use self-moderated threads to avoid the posts of intelligent people who have interesting questions to ask. I think that Bitcointalk should remove the possibility to create self-moderated threads, as everyone have the right to give his opinion in a decentralized community, and this is the development, we never delet the history, we use it to learn from our mistakes. A developer creates the future using his past mistakes. I advise the good bounty hunters not to participate as their reputation could suffer because of these guys. Everything is recorded on Bitcointalk, and never deleted. Thanks again Lauda to let the community express its opinion. |
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So is there any other way then using counter wallet to get my nvo ?
Hello, yes, there are different from simple to advanced. 1- You can use counterwallet 2- You can create a raw transaction and sign it using your private key 3- You can use third party scripts to move the tokens 4- You can use your own federated node Can you please PM me your exact situation ? i will either guide or direct you to slack.
We have contacted bittrex but haven't any response from them, neither positive or negative, i think they are waiting for the resolution of the actual conflict on the bitcoin blockchain as we are using CounterParty which is based on Bitcoin. Regarding the website, it will soon be updated, we prefered focusing on the distribution and development, we didn't found the time to properly work on it, however, in the next few days the website will be updated. Thanks for your feedbacks, the team really appreciates them. Regarding the sweep process, there are some issues with counterwallet however, we found an alternative confirmed by the counterParty community : https://github.com/Jpja/Sweep-XCP-PaperwalletJust ensure that you put the right name : NVST and to set the miner's fees to 0.0008 BTC or higher. Hello. Is this related to 1st august? So exporting I mean having ownership of the BTC private key from couterwallet is not enough? So form reading the info of that page: https://github.com/Jpja/Sweep-XCP-Paperwalleti have understood that i should do the following: 1) Install electrum wallet on my computer 2) generate a new BTC address 3) send all my BTC from counter wallet to this new address generated in electrum 4) download the sweep.html from https://github.com/Jpja/Sweep-XCP-Paperwallet 5) follow the instructions from that page and send NVST from address in counterwallet to the new address that was generated in electrum. Please can you confirm this?! Also if anybody has already done that by using this sweep.html can you confirm that it works? Thanks. Hello, yes many exchanges are slowly disabling their bitcoin wallets because of 1st August. Your method is one of the many possible ways to do it, you can also create an address using coinb.in and send the tokens there using either Jpja's repo, coindaddy's public API, or counterwallet. Regarding 1st August and its effect, nothing will harm you as long as you have the private key of your bitcoin addresseS. As of my informations,3 splits could happen, but what ever happens, as long as you have your private keys, you are safe. Yani reported many successfull sweeps using Jpja's repo.
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Wallet definitely looks good please to hear the progress of the token on that side of things, sucks we're still not on a major exchange but thats okay once the wallet is finished who cares it'll probably give Waves and BTS a run for there money. When is Beta release or is there a Beta release scheduled?
Hello, this is actually an alpha candidate, there is no exchange function into it, it is the basic wallet. I am pleased that everyone looks satisfied, it is really awesome. Cool glad to hear that things are progressing along hopefully there is no hiccups in the development but I imagine there will be all great project take time so 6-10 months sounds like a stretch goal honestly for a fully functional DEX maybe 12-15 months but definitely not 6 months unless you just have some software developing gods working on it lmao  Well, i am pressuring myself to deliver it in 4 months, personnal challenge, if we deliver it in 10 months then i am really an idiot because this delay would be in case i get a car accident or something like that. Once the wallet is fully functional (you may have seen the screens) and ready, i will push a repo to let people see the work live. As once the alpha wallet is ready it will be used a wrapper, then you will have the second wrapper to communicate with technos, and then we will just have to see if safenet is ready, i had a talk with Dirvine and apparently they are progressing quickly recently, which a good news. |
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