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1821  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 12, 2014, 12:38:06 PM
Quick TA update:
- 6H candle color/volume: BREAKING - huge green candle beats the previous reds AND action afterwards is promising, conclusion: probability of recent reversal increased
- Bid/ask strengh at market: slippage to sell 5k: $45, slippage to buy: $65, conclusion: buying side solidifies
- Trendline comparison: we are now at -0.372 log units. The trendline is at $1,000 and rising $7 per day, conclusion: rock bottom
- Sentiment: changing; I personally expect panic buys starting soon
- Prognosis: getting better; probability for dips gets smaller by the day, long-term buy zone

How extravagant.  This bounce was actually weaker than the last mtgox bounce.

10KBTC of bids are in front of the bottom  (vs 20KBTC)

It went from 340 to 440 [+30%] ( vs 400 to 610 [+52%] )

There was 64K volume on stamp (vs 120K)



There is a whopping 9.5M USD.

The trendline is an imaginary observation of the past based on guesstimations of a lagging slope and an arbitrary formula for an exponential growth of the userbase in which the exponent could easily be wrong causing a massive error.
1822  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 12:30:29 PM
A brief history of dinosaur patterns:




that was a PAIN to do. funny to go back though and read posts from people saying "well I think we definately can't go below 700" etc.
I remember statements about "the cycles are getting faster now. This will only be a very brief consolidation for a couple months before ATH and not a full bear market" and of course "wall street is going to take it from here".
1823  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 10:18:27 AM
ready for the greatest bull ride of your life? Coming sooon..

LOL sure;...!

K np see u at 7000

I like that.  What is the basis for $7,000, and when is it coming?  this year? or 2015?  or later? I think that $7,000 is fairly reasonable for 2016 or thereafter.  It is possible for this year and/or next year, but much less likely, especially for this year..  But never say never.. lot's of action going on in BTC behind the scenes and some wall street types seems to be considering aspects of BTC...

2016 is delusional
Probably this year, perhaps 2015 though if things start to slow down
Probably this year? That means the price has to reverse out of this 1W downtrend, rally back to ATH, and then rally 600% on top of ATH, all within 9 months. It really doesn't look like that's going to happen at the rate things are doing and even when things are at their best it doesn't move that fast.

ready for the greatest bull ride of your life? Coming sooon..

LOL sure;...!

K np see u at 7000

I like that.  What is the basis for $7,000, and when is it coming?  this year? or 2015?  or later? I think that $7,000 is fairly reasonable for 2016 or thereafter.  It is possible for this year and/or next year, but much less likely, especially for this year..  But never say never.. lot's of action going on in BTC behind the scenes and some wall street types seems to be considering aspects of BTC...

2016 is delusional
Probably this year, perhaps 2015 though if things start to slow down

You mean that if I am suggesting that we may NOT see $7,000 until 2016, then I am being too much of a bear, and I need bull re-education?  Hehehe.....  Cheesy





Normally in an investment if you said you expected 1500% growth in 2 years, or 1500% growth in any amount of time ever, that would be phenomenal and unbelievable. And here people think that's bearish... This is such a cukoo nut job place.
1824  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 10:09:32 AM
If it's not obvious which direction to trade, don't trade. These consolidations are here to give you a break.
1825  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 07:32:23 AM
Do not underestimate China.

1826  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 07:07:14 AM
Maybe they do it late. The 20th rolls around and a bank account closes "Sorry it took us so long. We were very busy, system issues, etc."
1827  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 07:00:50 AM
The problem with our little wedge is that is linear, so it is bound to break within a finite time when it reaches zero, which occurs in August. Does that mean we are guaranteed a reversal in July? You can't say we're guaranteed a reversal. The downtrend could very well go on well beyond that, hypothetically. You can't say that just because geometrically speaking, a sloped line will meet zero, that a reversal is guaranteed.

So maybe, when you're dealing with large price ranges and long amounts of time, it is more appropriate to use a logarithmic line. This way, the line could be in effect infinitely. There could potentially be a false breakout of the linear line only to meet resistance at the logarithmic line.

I agree with all that, just my fundamental outlook tells me that this cannot say idle at the current rate of adoption (also at current rate of un-adoption). In worst case scenario, the issues in china should be resolved at most in a couple of months after the fifteenth, my opinion. assuming that the issues are resolved by the fifteenth (positive news or less negative news) a break above the wedge would have fundamental support. If not, a break above the wedge in a worse scenario would be even more meaningful, right? the coming days are the most critical I have ever anticipated, especially considering chinese law/announcement on the 15th, and the price action/reaction we have seen from positive news. It seems like support is at hand, besides being pretty fishy.
I've never guaranteed anything. Some people dont like how I put things. Im trying to change that.
There's no law or announcement coming on the 15th. The banks were asked to close the accounts by the 15th as a deadline. Either they comply, or they don't.
1828  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 06:13:13 AM
I'm not confident in this being the final bottom for the same reason as last time. The stoch RSI is wrong, again. The reversal is being triggered by some piece of information and a panic at the wrong point in the trend with no evidence of a true capitulation having occured. In a real reversal, everyone is bearish and someone is there sneakily buying up all the coins that the bears are dumping despite all odds, and the price slowly scoops it way upwards with the MACD crossing as the stoch RSI is still low. It usually features a sort of double bottom a couple days apart with both days having high volume.

That's an important cautionary note. I was thinking this looked a lot like the Gox recovery.  We'll just have to wait and see how this plays out.

... except the volume (and maybe the price) on the exchanges is probably misleading for good reads of these indicators, due to off-exchange transfers between large players.
There has always been the ability to transfer off exchange. Why do people think it suddenly happening orders of magnitude greater now than before? If bringing up the issue of trust, keep in mind that the amounts of cash involved earlier were less also.
1829  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 05:49:11 AM
yeah....Ive always treated the minor bottoms in this area with much caution from a bearish point of view, since it is historically reversal territory. This is probably the first one to blow a bunch of bears out of the water, which makes it exciting. It only takes an announcement from PBOC to make new lows, so yeah maybe it needs time before we can call it a bottom on a larger scale.

What excites me most, is that the level to break the monthly wedge is only 510 now. 'only', as in only $60 away, but the resistance of the wedge could be potentially be a lot. the test may come soon - 15th (!)

The problem with our little wedge is that is linear, so it is bound to break within a finite time when it reaches zero, which occurs in August. Does that mean we are guaranteed a reversal in July? You can't say we're guaranteed a reversal. The downtrend could very well go on well beyond that, hypothetically. You can't say that just because geometrically speaking, a sloped line will meet zero, that a reversal is guaranteed.

So maybe, when you're dealing with large price ranges and long amounts of time, it is more appropriate to use a logarithmic line. This way, the line could be in effect infinitely. There could potentially be a false breakout of the linear line only to meet resistance at the logarithmic line.



Actually, I think the ichimoku cloud on TradingView is a much better visualiazation of resistance than a rigid line.


1830  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 04:30:47 AM
I'm not confident in this being the final bottom for the same reason as last time. The stoch RSI is wrong, again. The reversal is being triggered by some piece of information and a panic at the wrong point in the trend with no evidence of a true capitulation having occured. In a real reversal, everyone is bearish and someone is there sneakily buying up all the coins that the bears are dumping despite all odds, and the price slowly scoops it way upwards with the MACD crossing as the stoch RSI is still low. It usually features a sort of double bottom a couple days apart with both days having high volume.
1831  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 04:20:36 AM


I'm cheering for team red! Who's with me?

:seriously, feels like a much firmer bottom in the 300's, and who can resist a firm bottom?
So far every bottom has seemed firm, until it was double penetrated. First 530 was very firm, then it was 400. Even 850 was firm in November during a correction before the Chinese acted.
1832  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 04:10:07 AM
I think this is the plan:

1833  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 03:50:28 AM
What would this pattern be called, if it broke out: Head, shoulders, and hips?

1834  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 01:46:10 AM
that is one bullish set of daily candles. Where are the train pics?

LOL. We're not buying your $350 coins for $417. I'm pretty sure you dumped them already anyway.
It does not matter if the statement is bullish or bearish - I cannot point out objective statements about TA and charts without having my own position questioned. Why is that?

You're right. I apologize. A good prediction, too!   Thanks for the tip. Green Lumber Trader is on a roll!!!
Almost everyone who trades bitcoin is in the same boat. Nobody knows how to calculate the value of a bitcoin. I never see any equations where the total amount of sales of bitcoin business and such is passed through to yield a value. We're all just speculating on wild guesses. It's a very trending market with trends that go on very long and the charts themselves create movements. Also there is always someone doing some kind of insider trading and you can see it happening with TA. The best thing you can do is just ignore the news, trade the charts, and use risk management strategies.
1835  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 01:19:13 AM
It shouldn't go much past 2800 before consolidating for a few days.
1836  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 12:54:33 AM
Currently, I think we are getting a pump.. here..

and the dump will come later.. maybe tomorrow? or at least less than 24 hours?
Order books and charts are showing a powerful momentum with thin retraces, early indicator reversals, and lots of bids filling in.

I think there should be a consolidation of a couple days before break to 520 (and then either dump or trend reversal). At least that's how it worked last month with mtgox. Only problem I see is there is significantly less volume on stamp this time. Stamp did 64K of volume yesterday and with the mtgox bounce, it did 120K of volume. The candles now, however, actually look even more bullish than then, but the volume does not. I don't know what to make of it.

I would make sense in this situation if the trend is being driven by Chinese re-entrants and so the volume there is more significant. However, in that case we have to trust that this the end of the China situation and that the Chinese volume wont get killed of by continued bank shutdowns. So far, ignoring the volume on stamp has always been a mistake.
1837  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2014, 12:26:54 AM
that is one bullish set of daily candles. Where are the train pics?

LOL. We're not buying your $350 coins for $417. I'm pretty sure you dumped them already anyway.
It does not matter if the statement is bullish or bearish - I cannot point out objective statements about TA and charts without having my own position questioned. Why is that?
1838  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2014, 09:24:38 PM
that is one bullish set of daily candles. Where are the train pics?
1839  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2014, 01:39:50 PM
Bitstamp stuff are behaving a little bit strange :

https://twitter.com/Bitstamp/status/454601576007864320




mmmm so Why ? they never did that before !!!
It's highly concerning that apparently Bitstamp is showing willingness to manipulate the market given the role they play., because we don't know if there is any real foul play behind the scenes. MtGox once did the same with a similar statement in a press release. I deemed them somewhat more professional than MtGox, but perhaps I was wrong.

At least MtGox have stated that they would disallow their employees from insider trading, but I have not heard anything like that from Bitstamp.

I agree. This is unprofessional.

what is unprofessional.. the fact that China's news was used by manipulators to spread fear mongering  and failed miserably?



This has nothing to do with China news. It has to do with Bitstamp implying investment advice, and how that is unprofessional. In the real world, it would even be illegal. Imagine what would happen if a stock exchange started telling its customers to buy a stock.

HOWS is THIS INVESTMENT ADVICE? I've heard to the moon more often as joke from bears to kid at us now .. man you guys and girls take some shit so serious while just avoiding everything else of a similar nature which is actual fraud and manipulation LOOOOL enjoy being thumb suckers.
If they say "to the moon", it implies that they are very confident in an upwards price movement and that their customers should buy. Even if you think it's a joke, other people might not. In the real market, it would illegal to even make such a vague reference and you would be potentially liable if a customer were to trade based on your statements and lose. It's also simply not the way that a business should communicate.

What is the with the caps, profanity, and emotions? I did not use any of that.

sorry I said the word "shit", used caps and conveyed emotion.

Whatever...I can't even fathom the thought process that allows you to ignore the other shit that goes on daily..to find an issue with this statment. I don't claim to be right I am just bewildered with what some people find unprofessional here.
My thought process? I'm simply discussing the topic at hand, in the thread. Unlike you, who wants to divert my attention away from the topic as some kind of defense against actually have to discuss it.
1840  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2014, 01:29:02 PM
Bitstamp stuff are behaving a little bit strange :

https://twitter.com/Bitstamp/status/454601576007864320




mmmm so Why ? they never did that before !!!
It's highly concerning that apparently Bitstamp is showing willingness to manipulate the market given the role they play., because we don't know if there is any real foul play behind the scenes. MtGox once did the same with a similar statement in a press release. I deemed them somewhat more professional than MtGox, but perhaps I was wrong.

At least MtGox have stated that they would disallow their employees from insider trading, but I have not heard anything like that from Bitstamp.

I agree. This is unprofessional.

what is unprofessional.. the fact that China's news was used by manipulators to spread fear mongering  and failed miserably?



This has nothing to do with China news. It has to do with Bitstamp implying investment advice, and how that is unprofessional. In the real world, it would even be illegal. Imagine what would happen if a stock exchange started telling its customers to buy a stock.

HOWS is THIS INVESTMENT ADVICE? I've heard to the moon more often as joke from bears to kid at us now .. man you guys and girls take some shit so serious while just avoiding everything else of a similar nature which is actual fraud and manipulation LOOOOL enjoy being thumb suckers.
If they say "to the moon", it implies that they are very confident in an upwards price movement and that their customers should buy. Even if you think it's a joke, other people might not. In the real market, it would illegal to even make such a vague reference and you would be potentially liable if a customer were to trade based on your statements and lose. It's also simply not the way that a business should communicate.

What is the with the caps, profanity, and emotions? I did not use any of that.
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