Anyway, my drawing is based on a series of minor waves within 2 larger waves. A large wave (or 'bubble') is a collection of smaller waves. A small wave is defined as one that only has a 1-3 month consolidation after it and does not enter into a downtrend on the 1-week chart, and has the next small wave within the same large wave leading to an even higher high. A large wave is defined as one that has a 4-6+ month downtrend on the weekly chart and probably has the next bull right not leading to a higher high than its last bull run. This weekly-chart-type downtrend has only happened twice in bitcoin, 2011 and now.
In percentage-wise the current downtrend is still not comparable to the 266->65 (4x), and not to mention the 32->2 (16x). With 2013 style we should see 1100/4=275. With 2011 style we should see 1100/16=69 Since bitcoin is more mature and less volatile now, the magnitude of movements are less. However, this is more about time than it is about distance, and about what to expect out of the next bull runs. Distance and time need to match up we that we meet the 2011 trendline. Theoretically this could actually be accomplished simply by going sideways at 450 for a year.
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Amazing, there are trains in the thread. People have been posting pictures of trains since all the way back on Jan 15 (or earlier).
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There is too little volume to trade now and my trading accounts are now 1/6 of the size that they were 3 months ago. The rest of the funds are either in cold storage or in a bank account or stock/forex brokerage account. I am deciding to part even with this final 1/6 because bitcoin trading is too taxing on my mind. I haven't decided yet exactly how I'm going to split it into cash and coins, and of course waiting for the bottom of this latest drop helps get me more of both.
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There have only been two bubbles in bitcoin. Bubbles are actually a series of multiple bull-runs (about 4). Inbetween bull-runs are short consolidations and inbetween bubbles are deep prolonged crashes. It's somewhat like EW theory. Every rise in itself is not a "bubble" - this is a misnomer. We already had 3 bubbles: y-axis is ln(price/exponential trend) (see my thread for details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=470453.0) There's are sure a lot of conclusions on this forum and a whole branch of 'bitcoiner trader science' based on a perceived and assumed 'trendline', which in reality is all based on guesswork and a misapplication of this one straight line of an average of the past, or some formula that risto the $1,000,000-per-coin bull wrote. I don't base any of my TA on this 'trendline', it is not something that any real traders acknowledge anywhere outside of this forum. Anyway, my drawing is based on a series of minor waves within 2 larger waves. A large wave (or 'bubble') is a collection of smaller waves. A small wave is defined as one that only has a 1-3 month consolidation after it and does not enter into a downtrend on the 1-week chart, and has the next small wave within the same large wave leading to an even higher high. A large wave is defined as one that has a 4-6+ month downtrend on the weekly chart and probably has the next bull right not leading to a higher high than its last bull run. This weekly-chart-type downtrend has only happened twice in bitcoin, 2011 and now.
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The market didn't react to that news. Maybe people are getting more resilient towards the same old sh** over and over again? Edit: Who am I kidding here. Probably they'll start dumping at the slightest new ban rumours XD This is very minor news compared to the original caixin news. We're talking about a blanket notice to all of China vs this two little companies that I don't know are even involved with Bitcoin exchanges. Of course the biggest news will be when exchanges themselves start completely shutting down because they are not profitable anymore.
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BITCOIN IS BELOW ITS LONG TERM TRENDLINE. THIS IS BUY TIME ... ATH $1125 to be reached on July 23
I want what you are smoking. Well apart from all the shouting he is actually right / conservative. Most people who know what is bitcoin agree that we are sitting on a rocket now. Buying coin now is just as smart of a move as buying them at $5 in 2012 and $100 in $2013. When we're talking about such huge numbers in increases I don't see what the point is in in jumping the gun and buying early into a downtrend, rather than waiting till the downtrend reverses and confirms into an uptrend. Let's take the increase from $5 (pre bottom) to $6(post bottom). You could have bought either which then increases to $1000. Does it really make a difference whether you bought at $5 or $6? The difference is that at $5 you were buying into a downtrend and then $6 came 6 months later after a reversal was confirmed and at $6 you are buying into an uptrend. So you paid an extra $1 to get security and immediate returns with your investment. Meanwhile, you gain 6 months to use your captital in some other crazy investment, potentially increasing it 10 times, so you can buy 10 times more coins when you're done.
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Reverse H&S yesterday - target above 460, then if we breaks 455 - there will be another H&S (less nicely looking) with even higher target 475.
The Chinese scare does not work any more.
I think we'll rebound significantly.
The nature of the fractal is that the outer H&S keeps failing. One thing that should tip you off is that the volume in the head here is always lower than the volume in the shoulder. Also, this will probably be the last incarnation of the fractal because the end will be too close to the long term log downtrend for another even larger fractal to be drawn. So we either break through the downtrend or collapse down again. Which way will it go? I prefer to bet with the dominant trend.
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There have only been two bubbles in bitcoin. Bubbles are actually a series of multiple bull-runs (about 4). Inbetween bull-runs are short consolidations and inbetween bubbles are deep prolonged crashes. It's somewhat like EW theory. Every rise in itself is not a "bubble" - this is a misnomer.
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Yep we're still following the fractal:
You've said you're a current bear but long-term bull (I think). So where do you see the bottom? exchanges could open in New York. I thought they already had? There was news by the New York regulator that the framework in which regulated exchanges can be launched should be in place no later than July and that they are accepting advance applications now. Nothing has actually been launched.
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Yep we're still following the fractal:
You've said you're a current bear but long-term bull (I think). So where do you see the bottom? I don't really know actually. Bottom hunting is just too hard and all I do is play the MACDs week by week. I did notice that this 6 week cycle seems a little bit stronger than the last in that there is more volume and accumulation going on in the upper channel of the trend than there was last cycle. So the bottom might not be too far away. Maybe $250-$350. I don't think it will possibly go below $150 unless there is some catastrophic failure or U.S. ban, based on connecting the support from the 2011-2012 chart. Of course all of this can be changed by major events. For example exchanges could open in New York.
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Yep we're still following the fractal:
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Very good question. If you zoom out on the chart, you see a very calm and consistent downwards sloping sine wave. But if you zoom in, you see a bunch of chaotic spikes which are all labeled as apparently being caused by some type of news or the other. How can this be a coincidence?
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In order to enter the Ichimoku cloud you must first cleanse yourself, fast for three days and nights under an ancient tree while praying to the Great Bison and only then will you be worthy.
Did it ever occur to you that this market is small enough for experienced big money to manipulate it in such a way as to frighten the pants off techies like yourself? None of it matters. The price will go up as long as adoption increases. You can't break elementary math.
Sorry I just read the charts and not the fairy tales of what the 'big money' might be plotting. 'big money' can exist on both sides of the book. I have a choice of either engaging in this game of guessing like you are or I can use this form of science that traders have been using to trade profitably for decades. I am not guessing. Supply and demand is 100% of the economic law with bitcoin. Everything else, the pumps and dumps, whatever else is going on, is just mind games. It has no direct bearing on the technology. And please don't embarrass yourself by calling ta science. It's hard to watch. The guessing I was referring to is that you are guessing that someone is in some plot behind the scenes to manipulate the charts in a certain way while taking a certain position and it goes completely undetected by TA. I agree that supply and demand affects bitcoin price, and TA is execellent at interpreting this.
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My break-even price is $0, so I'm gonna be around here for a while My break even price is -($2500) Congrats. Mine is only -(low 3 figures). I figured $0 is end-game for everyone, so didn't bother with negative values... it would be an interesting time when you'd actually be paying people to take bitcoin from you... I'd imagine it to be highly illegal (probably banned 500 times by China by then) Bitcoin is banned by the federal government and if you are caught owning bitcoin, you pay a fine of 2,500 per coin.
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My break-even price is $0, so I'm gonna be around here for a while My break even price is -($2500) Congrats. Mine is only -(low 3 figures). I am currently only 20% btc though. If I went 100% btc (like you probably are), it would be 3 figures also. It's kind of a misleading number because I could be 2% btc and have 5 figures, etc.
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Oh man I am feeling so disillusioned with BTC at the moment just seems to be going one way and never comes back to the last consolidation/support level. Waiting for my break even price (if it ever comes) then I am outta here!!!
My break-even price is $0, so I'm gonna be around here for a while My break even price is -($2500)
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Oh man I am feeling so disillusioned with BTC at the moment just seems to be going one way and never comes back to the last consolidation/support level. Waiting for my break even price (if it ever comes) then I am outta here!!!
You are using a self defeating strategy that is impossible to win with. 1. If the downtrend continues, it will never reach your break even point while the downtrend is in force and you will hold on to a losing position indefinitely. 2. If your break even point is reached, that will mean that the downtrend has broken and it will be an uptrend, meaning it will be a terrible time to sell. The only good moves are: a. Commit to your position as a long term holding. b. Sell now or at some point along the downtrend ceiling, taking a small loss. Then buy back later if/when the trend is confirmed to be reversed.
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I remember a guy who bought a big bunch of Litecoins at 6$, he bought around 10k of them with money he could not afford to lose. When litecoin hit the bottom, at that time it was 2$. He was full of despair and wanted to take his loss. I have no idea if that guy sold or not, he was advised not to sell. Three weeks later, November arrived Truth is, you need at least two bubbles to stop caring about the price. Pretty much this Seen two to three bubbles already myself actually think this is a long one more or less but after a few of these you don't worry as much about it Although a high entry price relative to actual can make people feel that despair even if they made a logical choice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc6Hp_Zq3rUSo the logic here is because that because a rally occured at a certain point of emotion in the past, it going to occur at the same point again in the future? Is it like groundhogs day and we just keep repeating the same thing over and over? Well I am responding with videos so I guess I'll put it back here We got that price going back from the old rate Just check the chart at the beginning and think about it this is one year ago do you really think its just emotion or if their is something else there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pID03RrmKowI don't understand. I see a quick zip through a chart and then a music video. Was there supposed be some TA somewhere?
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I remember a guy who bought a big bunch of Litecoins at 6$, he bought around 10k of them with money he could not afford to lose. When litecoin hit the bottom, at that time it was 2$. He was full of despair and wanted to take his loss. I have no idea if that guy sold or not, he was advised not to sell. Three weeks later, November arrived Truth is, you need at least two bubbles to stop caring about the price. Pretty much this Seen two to three bubbles already myself actually think this is a long one more or less but after a few of these you don't worry as much about it Although a high entry price relative to actual can make people feel that despair even if they made a logical choice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc6Hp_Zq3rUSo the logic here is because that because a rally occured at a certain point of emotion in the past, it going to occur at the same point again in the future? Is it like groundhogs day and we just keep repeating the same thing over and over?
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The whole gox saga is far from over, head over to the #mtgox-talk IRC if your interested.
Apparently the sunlot group who the article a page back are reffering to are in it for the wrong reasons and if they take over gox users will be scammed again. Recently though OKCoin have been putting together a plan that not only would return user funds but also give them a 49% stake in the company.
OKCoin is a scam too.
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