100gh is at ss corner. They already tested the chip at 120gh/s (tt corner?) And minersource is selling the psus for $220 but I wouldn't buy one as 1500w is way overkill if the miners get 0.75w/gh at the wall. You might be able to power 2 x3s with a single 1500w psu or power 1 with a $20 850w server psu. You should at least be able to use a $100 atx psu. |
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Canadian dollars, they wouldn't take cowrie shells.
I mean how much canadian dollars? Per kwh? Including all costs like cooling? |
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In all honesty, that is pretty sweet. 3 TH/s for free($6000 value) for Neptune customers. I guess we shall see if BA can come close to this. Very generous indeed, but doesn't that prove that these machines are overpriced to begin with? Yes. Knc chargrd $12,000 for a 3th neptune compared to BA $6000 for 2.4th. After compensation BA is $1.6/gh and knc is $2/gh. Not to mention knc comp is shipping in august.. Why you keep saying 2.4 TH/s, it's 2 TH/s stock for $6000. So let's say plus PSU it's $6300, so that's $2.1/Ghs for the 3 TH/s. Versus $12,000 for 6 TH/s including the KNC compensation. That's cheaper than BA, $2/GH. August I know, but technically cheaper. If you were to factor in overclocking, it'll probably be a landslide in favor of KNC. Minion is rated at 120gh per chip not 100gh. And a psu does not cost $300, more like $100 for an atx (or $10 if you diy mod a server psu) Also I wouldn't bet on neptunes being very overclockable. Seeing how they have turned into BFL it seems it is likely they ship as overclocked as possible to save some money. |
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What is icedrill paying for electricity?
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In all honesty, that is pretty sweet. 3 TH/s for free($6000 value) for Neptune customers. I guess we shall see if BA can come close to this. Very generous indeed, but doesn't that prove that these machines are overpriced to begin with? Yes. Knc chargrd $12,000 for a 3th neptune compared to BA $6000 for 2.4th. After compensation BA is $1.6/gh and knc is $2/gh. Not to mention knc comp is shipping in august.. |
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All compensation units and or power supplies will be shipped together if possible, but otherwise the PSU may need to be shipped separate and hence the separate shipping charge.
What about ordering 2 psus when I only have one X3 in order so I can split costs with a friend who has another order. I just got confirmation. ALL psus will be shipped separately, be it for normal X1/X3 or compensation, in order to reduce issues with weight related shipping (heavy PSU in one corner un balancing the box) and customs (not having to rip the miners open to check for compliance on the PSU). Hope this makes it clear. Do we need to pay extra for the separate shipping? I assume not for the original orders but what about compensation or new orders? |
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They don't mention what the hashrate is for that configuration though..
Just extrapolating here. 2 chips at 0.75w/gh = 200gh at 150w or 100gh per chip. Would love some clarification/pics. |
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We have received the SMT assembled boards.
We are now proud to announce that Black Arrow has the most power efficient Bitcoin ASIC on the market today.
A single dual chip board is hashing with absolutely no errors at 1Ghz while using 150Watt at the wall, including the PSU loss.
We have better efficiency than 0.75Watts/ghash at the wall.
I don't believe this. What's the hashrate per chip at that efficiency? Can we get some pics/vids? |
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I didn't defend a scam. Read my post again. Exact words: "Could it be a scam? Sure." I merely attempted to debunk bad information. In response I got more bad information. Lets get more detailed. They claim to be hosted in saskatchewan. Here's saskatchewan's power costs: http://www.saskpower.com/wp-content/uploads/saskpower_supplied_transformation_rates.pdf(14500*.11335)+((540720-14500)*.05952)+27.43=$32991.91 Less than my original calculation. All I'm saying is yes-there is the possibility that this is not a scam. You're completely ignoring 75% of the operating costs. Even at $0.08/kwh it still costs more than $80,000/month. |
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But if you're going to say it has to be a scam - at least try to back that point up with correct figures. If you're going to defend a scam, at least use realistic calculations. Operating costs involved in running huge mining operations are not limited to electricity alone. Here is a realistic calculation 375th*2w/gh*1.3pue=975kw*720kwh/month*0.1$/kwh=$70,000/month in electricity Add another $25,000/month for rent on a warehouse big enough for 1mw worth of hardware and an additional ~$5000 per month for other costs like internet/setup/staff/maintenance So at least $100,000/month or more than 1/3 of what they mine. |
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Bitcoin-otc WoT is an ancient and ineffective trust system perpetuated by scammers.
It is no different than this forum trust system other than a few technicalities and a separate group of scammers.(cult of bitcoin-assets)
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*Pre-order customers up Until 5/5/2014 - 25% discount on future purchases of Minion based miners. If you qualify the coupon will be included in your shipment, as per Black Arrows terms of this coupon "The discounts for future orders are offered only to customers who have believed in us and continued to support us. They will not be offered to customers who requested refunds and to a small minority who abused or threatened any member of Black Arrow Team." with the addition of Minersource Staff. Does this mean we will get 75% off if we are getting the 50% coupon + 25% discount? |
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What are the electricity rates icedrill is paying?
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Did knc really scrap the plan b hosting? I can't see them shipping neptunes by june.
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My life is just fine man.
If you don't think them scrapping the hosting for sending actual mining equipment isn't a reaction to what KNC is doing, then you have blinders man.
Competitor = KNC
They can't compete with Bitmain, they're already beat by them. Over 20% of the mining equipment out there.
X-1 is a dud, Ant S1's got them beat every which way, especially undervolted.
They can only compete with the the over 2 TH/s crowd, so that leaves KNC. KNC scrapped plan B hosting and sent Frankenjup's.
Black Arrow scrapped hosting and are sending equipment instead.
Reading comprehension, sometimes it's a good quality to have.
Why would BA care about kncs overpriced and overdelayed hardware? Also when did knc scrap plan b hosting? Afaik they still plan on hosting late neptunes in june. Maybe the increased comp has to do with one of the other 10 companies which are actually shipping competitively priced hardware? And how has bitmain beat them in every way? Blackarrows $1.7/gh is quite a bit cheaper than an s2 at $2.5/gh and quite a bit more efficient than an s1 $1.5/gh. Somehow missed that thread. I'll admit that even though that looks pretty sketchy it is insanely cheap. So $25 for the psu/parts would mean an s1 would be $1.25/gh at 200gh or about $1.8/gh at 140gh (matching minion efficiency of about 1.2w/gh) |
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Really? Got a link?
Cheapest ive seen is $20 for a sever psu without the adapter. MS is selling the combo for $60.
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If they were to match their competitors, like say KNC, they'd have to match 2 TH/s since KNC sent out an additional 3 TH/s for compensation(frankenjup issues aside).
This is exactly what they're trying to emulate. Not sure what you read this as.
No, when they first came out saying what they were doing in september, they had THE best prices you could find for hardware. Even though they were predicting Feb del, If they delivered then, it would have been still pretty awesome, but i don't think anyone saw bitmain coming out. I know if i had, i would have just saved my money for them. That promise to me means that they were to keep that same type of edge on their competition. If The going rate for one ant miner that hashes at 200ghs (lets use nice numbers for arguments sake, and they are def capable of doing 200 no issues) is 200 dollars, that is a dollar a gh/s. At 279+ dollars for 100 gh/s from black arrow, clearly the antminer is the better deal. To me black arrow means that they will either drop th price down to 99 dollars for each x-1 to stay competitive, yeah right, or give the people who ordered either cloud hashing or equipment that does the same thing. The price thing has nothing to do with KNC doing what they did with compensation. When they say match they mean match what ever is FOR SALE from the competitors. If you are really having issues with this, good luck with the rest of your life man  S1 is more like $300 after psu. The main thing to compare is $/gh. Even after KNC's compensation of doubling the hashrate it is still only $2/gh which is shit considering it is shipping in 2+ months. Compare that to BA $1.7/gh shipping in a few weeks. S1 is still slightly better at $1.5/gh but we still don't know the final specs on the minion and the final compensation plan. |
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2 phase Immersion cooling - the #1 solution to the heat problem.
As of now I estimate immersion cooling is just about as costly as buying an AC. But with specifically designed boards it can be several times cheaper in addition to being significantly more efficient.(less than 1.01 pue vs 1.3+ for AC cooled.)
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I absolutely did not think they wouldn't keep some, but I think we deserve to know how much they are going to make off of our investment (and our loss)
And honestly at this point you just seem like your trolling (not only this thread, but most of the ones you post in)
EDIT: yea responses on about 90% of your posts point out your trolling, while the other 10% is just ignored.
You didn't think they would make a profit off their business? I understand you are not happy about the delay but expecting them to go in to bankruptcy so you can get the maximum possible compensation makes no sense. Oops, was watching baseball/draft and just realized that was phrased badly. Of course I expect them to keep some and make a profit, but this first batch was entirely funded by our orders, and they have said numerous times that there isn't anything else they can do. And yet, they are keeping untold numbers of chips, currently mining with untold number of chips, and delaying things further and further, without giving clear roads. There is still not a timeline on when the X-1's will start to ship, and on top of that, the LCD (which apparently was such a nice feature, even though 99% of people will set up the miner either some place they visit rarely, or will never look at it) will not even work with what is looking to be the entire first batch. Add on that they are missing specs (doesn't matter if better than antminer, still on par with spondoolies, and worse than AsicMiner (proven) and BFL (allegedly)), and I think we are entitled to some answers/compensation. The only reason they will make a profit is because we paid for their development and run of chips. You cant tell me you enjoy being lied to, strung along, lost money, and finally screwed over with the compensation? And anyone who says they do not have to compensate anyone, you are plain wrong. . Also, the entire delay was due to chip optimization, and yet, we are higher than the specs that were released before their "optimization process". Bobsag, I hope you demand to see every inch of their business and let us know how many chips are currently "being tested" at their facility. This is a fair enough response. I agree that the delays are unfortunate along with the chip optimization that apparently lead to a less efficient chip than the competition. However unlike you and many others I don't feel like I have been lied to. As far as I know, every single asic manufacturer who accepted preorders has been wrong about final power/efficiency along with shipping dates. If BA can ship x3s early next week then that would be reasonably fast tapeout to market. As for compensation, I don't think I have been screwed over at all. BA is charging about $2.5/gh currently and with compensation added in it comes out to $1.7/gh which beats just about everything on the market (s1's excluded) But I do agree that bobsag should and probably will check out every inch of the operation and let us know if anything fishy is going on. |
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I absolutely did not think they wouldn't keep some, but I think we deserve to know how much they are going to make off of our investment (and our loss)
And honestly at this point you just seem like your trolling (not only this thread, but most of the ones you post in)
EDIT: yea responses on about 90% of your posts point out your trolling, while the other 10% is just ignored.
You didn't think they would make a profit off their business? I understand you are not happy about the delay but expecting them to go in to bankruptcy so you can get the maximum possible compensation makes no sense. |
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