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Those people in the dark coin thread are crazy! Its like some sort of cult or something over there. They all have me blocked but I did nothing that could be construed as trolling. They think it was part of some sort of elaborate plan, that i was "laying spider webs" and that it was going to all climate in some sort of very clever troll trap.
It's actually really bad because I run something of a little business on bitcoin talk by selling my impeccable reputation and I cant have people ignoring me. In fact I was tip toeing around the whole time precisely because of this. But it's just apparently SO easy to offend their delicate sensitivities that i somehow managed to do it.
*edit* part of me wants to go over there and try to repair the damage i somehow caused but the smarter part of me knows that if i do ill make things worse.
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Are you guys serious? NOTHING I did was trolling. I wasn't laying any spiders webs. I was attempting to promote a better place for xmr vs drk debate than in our respective threads. THATS ALL.
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If there is someone here who can defend dark on this particular point: Can we talk about this instant transaction thing. How does it supposedly work? In the world of crypto there are only 2 ways of doing transactions instantly. A trust based system or centralization. Has dark somehow over turned the metaphorical laws of gravity in the world of crypto or do they use one of those two. If they use one of those two what is the justification?
The masternodes lock the tx, even if a conflicting valid transaction gets mined they reject the block its in. This opens a nice sort of attack where you can split the network (i.e. isolating MNs from each other) You would be very welcome in our xmr vs drk discussion thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642 It's fair and open and moderator is only deleting obvious troll posts. Lol. Another one? Sorry but I'll pass on that xmr PR thread. If you want to know about drk ask around on darkcointalk or check the github repository. Its only an xmr pr thread because no one has come forward to competently defend your position. The moment someone does this, assuming your position has merit, than it could very easily be transformed into a dark pr thread. The point is to have open troll free discussion from both sides, im here as an emissary because we are distinctly lacking in the dark representative department. But there certainly is no lock, no means of filtering dark representatives out, its yours for the taking if you can take it. Dear Anon136, It is with true regret that I find myself declining your gracious sounding invitation. My post history will indicate that I greatly appreciate intelligent, reasoned and cordial debate as a means of arriving at understanding ones opponents, even if agreement is impossible. Your tone, verbiage, promise of impartial elimination of trolling, as well as your icon honoring Hans-Hermann Hoppe, gave me hope of participating in a venue which might generate more light than heat. Sadly I found your first post inflammatory, imbecilic, crude, and generally lacking in any of the finer points of rhetoric, philosophic or scientific quest for understanding, or even common decency. I will not offend the readership of this forum with so much as a quote, and strongly suggest that they find better ways to waste their time than visiting your thread. Given your smooth words of invitation, and your evocation of the honorable HH Hoppe, I can only conclude that you are far worse than a simple troll, you are the type of vile corruption that clothes itself in holy garb so as to destroy the lives of innocent children for their own carnal pleasure thus robbing them of the hope sexual pleasure and joyful faith. There are few who wish me harm that I will not respectfully and hopefully call friend--you are one of them (though I still hope you might change)... IGNORED! Well im not the moderator of the thread and I didn't create it. If the person who created it does end up acting like a tyrant than I wouldn't blame anyone for not being a part of it. I just thought it would be a better place for xmr vs drk debate than in this thread and our thread. After pointing out that an alternative place to have this debate had been created i was accused of directing you guys towards a pr stunt or something like that. Which if it was true, was only true because so few people from your community were bothering to stop by. Which is what i was attempting to correct to begin with. I'm sorry if you found my comment aesthetically distasteful. It was not intended to be aesthetically palatable, it was intended to be correct and insightful. Maybe it wasn't correct or insightful, but since your comment never even calls that into question it doesn't do much to argue against its intention. I hope you will find it in your heart to unignore me (if you read this) because I legitimately am not trolling this thread. I may be rough around the edges sometimes, but being rough around the edges is not trolling. |
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Lol. Another one? Sorry but I'll pass on that xmr PR thread. If you want to know about drk ask around on darkcointalk or check the github repository. Someone in the XMR thread created it because I suggested so and Anon136 liked the idea. According to the XMR thread, the announcement was posted in here but got deleted by the BCT Mods, but the same announcement was not deleted in the XMR thread, so I guess that`s why there are currently more XMR user writing there. The poor mod already has a lot of work to do there, as people simply can`t discuss this calmly, but Anon136 is fair and balanced imho. And he has Hans-Hermann Hoppe as profile picture, so he has to be a cool guy  Fair and balanced my ass. He just claimed evan owns 40% of the coin supply from a premine. Dude is off his rocker. So i want to put forward the idea that the price of dark is rising not in-spite of the premine, but precisely because of it. Think of the economic incentives at work for a dev who owns 40% of the currency supply. Think of how much he stands to benefit from improving his product. Or marketing his product well. Think of the funds that he has to spend on that marketing if it begins to create a positive feedback loop.
I was basing my comment on this comment. <5% of supply was mined in the first day
Amount instamined: about 2 million (1.5 million within 8 hours) Current supply: 5,225,476 38.27%If its wrong than w/e so long as there was infact a sufficient premine than the argument stands. Its the principle that matters not the particulars. We're all just COMPLETELY OVER dealing with Monero people. Smooth, iCEBREAKER and others are in here arguing back and forth endlessly and laboriously. iCEBREAKER just posts never ending FUD, aggressive threats of terrible legal outcomes and continual lies and smear against Evan Duffield and other key people involved with DASH. Frankly, most of us are about as interested in engaging with these Monero buffoons as we are in pulling our own fingernails out (although the fingernail option is looking more attractive as we go on). If all these Monero shills think their development is better, great. Let them work on what they've built and demonstrate by delivering substance and sound technology. The market will then start to back them. At the moment though, from what I've seen of the amount of time smooth spends here and the appalling posts I've seen 'fluffyponzi' (I mean really...who could honestly take someone with a nym like that seriously?) make on Reddit, Monero is nothing but a joke and I wouldn't invest a single satoshi in it. After all that's happened here Monero = complete and utter rubbish; so I certainly won't be even bothering to look at your thread. Yea all the people posting about monero in your thread is half the reason for creating this one, the other half is all the people posting about dark coin in ours. We just thought it would be nice to have a better place to put all of exactly the sorts of comments you are exasperated with. And the same for us. Anyway i personally dont want to be part of any more monero vs dark coin sorts of arguments in this thread, so if i get drawn into that im going to try to just ignore it. I am interested in talking about dark coin though, potentially critically because that sort of thing is important, but not in the context of any sort of us vs them arguments. |
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Anon136,
While you may mean well in getting a real comparison between coins, please look at the last few hundred pages of this thread and you will see that it has been bombarded by Monero and SDC trolls. The well informed Dash users you are looking for are tired of arguing with trolls, and I apologize that we seem unable to help, but I'm sure that everyone is burned out from constantly fighting them.
Besides, at this point its pretty obvious that the market thinks that Dash doesn't need to compare itself to Monero. Maybe Monero should look to Navajo or SDC for a more fair comparison?
Atleast one of the people from my side who is commenting here has been on my ignore list for like a year, so i definitely sympathize. This is the same market that still values ltc, a coin that brings NOTHING to the table, above dark which is at-least legitimately innovative. Yea well we'll see. The thing about markets is that its a discovery process, it will shake ltc out eventually, it already has to a large extent, only time will tell with dark. |
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Lol. Another one? Sorry but I'll pass on that xmr PR thread. If you want to know about drk ask around on darkcointalk or check the github repository. Someone in the XMR thread created it because I suggested so and Anon136 liked the idea. According to the XMR thread, the announcement was posted in here but got deleted by the BCT Mods, but the same announcement was not deleted in the XMR thread, so I guess that`s why there are currently more XMR user writing there. The poor mod already has a lot of work to do there, as people simply can`t discuss this calmly, but Anon136 is fair and balanced imho. And he has Hans-Hermann Hoppe as profile picture, so he has to be a cool guy Fair and balanced my ass. He just claimed evan owns 40% of the coin supply from a premine. Dude is off his rocker. So i want to put forward the idea that the price of dark is rising not in-spite of the premine, but precisely because of it. Think of the economic incentives at work for a dev who owns 40% of the currency supply. Think of how much he stands to benefit from improving his product. Or marketing his product well. Think of the funds that he has to spend on that marketing if it begins to create a positive feedback loop.
I was basing my comment on this comment. <5% of supply was mined in the first day
Amount instamined: about 2 million (1.5 million within 8 hours) Current supply: 5,225,476 38.27%If its wrong than w/e so long as there was infact a sufficient premine than the argument stands. Its the principle that matters not the particulars. |
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OK so the whitepaper is simple enough. Levering up the existing masternode infrastructure to get 0 confirmation transactions that are more secure than a 0 confirmation bitcoin transaction but less secure than a 1 confirmation bitcoin transaction. You have instant transactions in the same way that merchants can accept 0 confirmation bitcoin transactions so long as they have a direct connection to a few reliable nodes spread out over the planet that are sniffing for doublespends.
No i don't think that's how it works. Minotaur or one of the devs knows better than me though. The transactions are locked, they are not out sniffing for anything. I'm guessing it's more secure than just one btc confirmation but someone else needs to way in. They are locked in the sense that the masternodes are communicating to each other that an input has been used. The word locked in this context is just a way of describing the status of a particular input among participants of a network. You could just as easily say that the nodes doing the sniffing on the bitcoin network were "locking" all of the inputs that they witnessed being used in relation to the people who they are doing the monitoring for. |
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So i want to put forward the idea that the price of dark is rising not in-spite of the premine, but precisely because of it. Think of the economic incentives at work for a dev who owns 40% of the currency supply. Think of how much he stands to benefit from improving his product. Or marketing his product well. Think of the funds that he has to spend on that marketing if it begins to give a positive feedback.
dude, your thinly-vieled 'neutral debate' BS is plainly exposed by such rhetoric... Thats fair. Allow me to rephrase it. So i want to put forward the idea that, assuming there was infact a premine, the price of dark is rising not in-spite of the premine, but precisely because of it. Think of the economic incentives at work for a dev who owns 40% of the currency supply. Think of how much he stands to benefit from improving his product. Or marketing his product well. Think of the funds that he has to spend on that marketing if it begins to give a positive feedback. But no i do actually support premines in theory. When done in moderation in think they are a good thing. For the reasons expressed above. |
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So i want to put forward the idea that the price of dark is rising not in-spite of the premine, but precisely because of it. Think of the economic incentives at work for a dev who owns 40% of the currency supply. Think of how much he stands to benefit from improving his product. Or marketing his product well. Think of the funds that he has to spend on that marketing if it begins to create a positive feedback loop.
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If there is someone here who can defend dark on this particular point: Can we talk about this instant transaction thing. How does it supposedly work? In the world of crypto there are only 2 ways of doing transactions instantly. A trust based system or centralization. Has dark somehow over turned the metaphorical laws of gravity in the world of crypto or do they use one of those two. If they use one of those two what is the justification?
The masternodes lock the tx, even if a conflicting valid transaction gets mined they reject the block its in. This opens a nice sort of attack where you can split the network (i.e. isolating MNs from each other) You would be very welcome in our xmr vs drk discussion thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642 It's fair and open and moderator is only deleting obvious troll posts. Lol. Another one? Sorry but I'll pass on that xmr PR thread. If you want to know about drk ask around on darkcointalk or check the github repository. Its only an xmr pr thread because no one has come forward to competently defend your position. The moment someone does this, assuming your position has merit, than it could very easily be transformed into a dark pr thread. The point is to have open troll free discussion from both sides, im here as an emissary because we are distinctly lacking in the dark representative department. But there certainly is no lock, no means of filtering dark representatives out, its yours for the taking if you can take it. I see that you didn't read the 2nd line of my reply... Oh well that attention span.... I read it... |
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OK so the whitepaper is simple enough. Levering up the existing masternode infrastructure to get 0 confirmation transactions that are more secure than a 0 confirmation bitcoin transaction but less secure than a 1 confirmation bitcoin transaction. You have instant transactions in the same way that merchants can accept 0 confirmation bitcoin transactions so long as they have a direct connection to a few reliable nodes spread out over the planet that are sniffing for doublespends.
That's fair enough. I wouldn't go so far as to say you have created instant transactions, but i wouldn't either say that what you have created here is useless, it is definitely a useful idea. You can instantly buy a soda or maybe a t-shirt, but you definitely can not instantly buy a car with this scheme.
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ok fine. someone answer my original question here and ill carry it over to the other thread myself. since no one can be bothered to address the claim there.
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If there is someone here who can defend dark on this particular point: Can we talk about this instant transaction thing. How does it supposedly work? In the world of crypto there are only 2 ways of doing transactions instantly. A trust based system or centralization. Has dark somehow over turned the metaphorical laws of gravity in the world of crypto or do they use one of those two. If they use one of those two what is the justification?
The masternodes lock the tx, even if a conflicting valid transaction gets mined they reject the block its in. This opens a nice sort of attack where you can split the network (i.e. isolating MNs from each other) You would be very welcome in our xmr vs drk discussion thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642 It's fair and open and moderator is only deleting obvious troll posts. 
come to monero topic and collapsed monero on your ass and save this god of cryptocoin for ever. Sorry. I don't know what you are talking about. |
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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little libertarian neckbeard? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in Armchair Economics, and I’ve been involved in numerous mining pools of altcoins, and I have over 300 confirmed scams. I am trained in detecting government shills and I’m the top parking-lot scammer on localbitcoins. You are nothing to me but just another conspiratard. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, aspy. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of overweight and disabled introverts across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can mine you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my cheeto-dusted hands. Not only am I extensively trained in scamming people with fake currency, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the MTGox Relief Effort (which contains cases of Mountain Dew: Code Red) and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn shill. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
I don't get it. |
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If there is someone here who can defend dark on this particular point: Can we talk about this instant transaction thing. How does it supposedly work? In the world of crypto there are only 2 ways of doing transactions instantly. A trust based system or centralization. Has dark somehow over turned the metaphorical laws of gravity in the world of crypto or do they use one of those two. If they use one of those two what is the justification?
The masternodes lock the tx, even if a conflicting valid transaction gets mined they reject the block its in. This opens a nice sort of attack where you can split the network (i.e. isolating MNs from each other) You would be very welcome in our xmr vs drk discussion thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642 It's fair and open and moderator is only deleting obvious troll posts. Lol. Another one? Sorry but I'll pass on that xmr PR thread. If you want to know about drk ask around on darkcointalk or check the github repository. Its only an xmr pr thread because no one has come forward to competently defend your position. The moment someone does this, assuming your position has merit, than it could very easily be transformed into a dark pr thread. The point is to have open troll free discussion from both sides, im here as an emissary because we are distinctly lacking in the dark representative department. But there certainly is no lock, no means of filtering dark representatives out, its yours for the taking if you can take it. |
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Tell those attention whores that they can go fuck themselves  What? Why? This is an important discussion that needs to be had and darkcoin needs representation from people capable of addressing some of the finer points. |
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Just to be transparent:
I posted the exact same message about this OP in both the Official Dark/Dash OP and Official Monero OP. The one in the Dark/Dash OP was deleted by bitcointalk staff.
Staff usually won't delete posts unless reported. As I warned you, the Darkheads don't want too see an open, moderated, intelligent, and honest XMR VS DRK debate, so they reported it. broken anon - not a single darksend TX has been traced, no matter what gmaxwell or anyone else might say. Trace one or GTFO wow gmaxwell has spoken out against your project? i had no idea. gmaxwell is a legend. link? |
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If there is someone here who can defend dark on this particular point: Can we talk about this instant transaction thing. How does it supposedly work? In the world of crypto there are only 2 ways of doing transactions instantly. A trust based system or centralization. Has dark somehow over turned the metaphorical laws of gravity in the world of crypto or do they use one of those two. If they use one of those two what is the justification?
The masternodes lock the tx, even if a conflicting valid transaction gets mined they reject the block its in. This opens a nice sort of attack where you can split the network (i.e. isolating MNs from each other) You would be very welcome in our xmr vs drk discussion thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642 It's fair and open and moderator is only deleting obvious troll posts. |
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Just to be transparent:
I posted the exact same message about this OP in both the Official Dark/Dash OP and Official Monero OP. The one in the Dark/Dash OP was deleted by bitcointalk staff.
lol bitcointalk staff invested in dark? |
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Is it impossible to discuss this without devolving into the gutter? Damn people I did not think that I would be hitting the delete button 8 times in 3 pages. Be civil please.
Make sure to share the workload or else it will run you raged. No mortal can do this alone. I, for one, greatly appreciate your sacrifice. |
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