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201  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 07, 2016, 02:20:37 PM
So if im right, the amount of tokens you get, even when you buy the first day, is the same (without counting the bonus) as the amount you get on the last day? Because ARK is using a median?
No, not at all.
Lisk sent on the first day will worth 120% more than what send at the last day.

The median price is to determine the Lisk to Bitcoin conversion rate. This garantees that every lisk sent will worth the same amount of BTC (not counting bonuses).
202  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 07, 2016, 02:15:35 PM
According to the OP:

Tier 1 10 BTC one free 1 ARK-branded NFC Ring

Is this the amount before bonus or included bonus?
Bonus not included.
203  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 07, 2016, 02:07:17 PM
I was about to ask the same question so thanks electronicash... also is the 120% bonus valid for first 24 hours only and can I buy from an exchange to TEC site?
Yes that bonus alive for transactions sent during the first 24 hours of TEC.
204  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 07, 2016, 02:05:47 PM
5 hours left. That would be 3AM in the morning here in my country.   Grin
Can you clarify something for me please. If I buy 100 ARK with the lisk i hold, that means I will get about 240ARKs all in all or simply 120ARKs?
Well you can't really determine how much ARK you are going to get, as the number depends on the total amount of the funds that will flow into the TEC. But yes, if you send 1 BTC worth of lisk it will count as 2.2 BTC worth. (Well not precisely as the Lisk price will be determined based on a 35 day median price avarage, but close enough.)
205  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 06, 2016, 10:41:20 PM
who will be escrow for lisk

One of the Lisk escrows will be malreynolds, who were one of the largest Lisk holders and well known community member.
We right now triple checking that the multisign feature of Lisk is working fine (its enabled in API but not on UI) and if it is the escrow account will have another signer, probably the ARK head of finance, Lars.

The OP should be updates shortly with this info.
206  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 05, 2016, 06:45:31 PM
Waaa thats great news! Smith and Crown is very picky on what they put on their website so they must have done their due dilligence - keep it up ARK team!
Yes they are. They contacted us and asked some in depth questions that showed that they are really taking this seriously and doing their do diligence on a project before listing it. I'm happy that they found our answers satisfactory.
207  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 05, 2016, 01:13:45 PM
The extreme high lisk bonus is just for the first 24 hours, at the same period bitcoin also has a 30% bonus. Early birds should get more, and those that give us what we want (Lisk) should get even more.

Look, the conditions are set. They won't be changed 3 days before the TEC starts, that would be unprofessional.
So it's either take advantage of the opportunity or stay away because of it. Everyone interested can make their own decision.


208  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 05, 2016, 10:30:53 AM
Hello Team Ark,

You are writing that your team has 30+ members in different countries, this is a very very large team for a new crypto project.
If these people (really) be actively involved in your team than the success rate is quite high for your project.

But...

Why is the promotion and marketing for your project not successful (for a project with 30+ team members)?
Compared with Lisk, they were only with two team members and they do a very succesfull marketing campaign before their ICO started.

Those 30 team members are they really 100% active right now on the project or is 80% of your team "sleeping members"?


We do not want to talk bad about your project, but Currently we are creating a risk profile for your project and we doing a final quick scan to investigating a "yes or no" to our investors for this project

If you check the early pages of the Lisk thread you will see that it was less active before the ICO started than this thread is now, it only started to grow when they were well into it. The same can be said about their media exposure.

We worked hard in the last months to reach out and form initial connections, pave the way for future partnerships, we had talks with various investor groups and probably other efforts that I didn't keep track of as doing so is a job on itself.

We will release more information in the coming days and weeks about our afforts and successes in these endeavours, but I'm sure you know this this kind of details can't be shared until agreements been finalized.

When we say we are a big team we mean it, many people doing many things and there are a few who are organizing those directions and results. We didn't simple add names and faces to the project to be seen bigger.

Instead of talking about team involvement I'll just offer you two screenshots of our private slack statistics, I think it speaks for itself. Not many sleepers on this team, some just have other responsibilities at the moment than hanging out at BCT.





209  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 05, 2016, 09:32:21 AM
Which of those listed in the ARK team members is cannabanana?
As you can probably guess from the email address, facebook page, etc cannabanana is Chin Song.
210  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 04, 2016, 04:48:30 PM
I'm very interested in this. My only concern is that Lisk (and Rise) codebase in its current state is quite vulnerable and both projects have yet to allow delegates to forge without causing forks. I believe I just read that they will be rewriting their code from scratch which is quite an undertaking and I think some are skeptical. With Ark being a Lisk code base, are you prepared to rewrite the code to become more stable?

Thanks. I think 120% bonus for Lisk investors is huge. I like it. 

Please keep in mind that I'm not a developer, but as long as I'm around I take a stab at this too-

While Rise wants a rewrite Shift and Asch managed to make the Lisk codebase work for forging or at least found some temporary solutions. fixcrypt, our main developer also has several ideas, some he came up with while he was working for Lisk, and I know he also had a talk with asch main dev, and probably others about various issues and possible solutions not just about the forking problem but others as well.

I'm not sure how much of these ideas will be implemented into the initial testnet code, as fix had been busy with various other stuff, but he has some well defined ideas and development plans. I think you all will hear about them later.
I think 51 delegates should also initially help with the forking issue until better ways are found, but please don't quote me on that one. Smiley
211  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 04, 2016, 04:23:59 PM
Is there a testnet with delegates forging?
There is only a private testnet at this moment, I think public testnet will launch in a few weeks.
212  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 04, 2016, 04:21:19 PM
I am just trying to understand.

Can someone else of team Ark answer my questions?

Is cannabanana a team member of Ark?

If yes, why is he being so negative of Max and the project on the LSK Ann on BTC? While you guys are putting trust in the project. Cannabanana already explained his negativity. So don't need that answer anymore.

However I do need to understand why it is that the team of Ark is divided in negativity and trust into LSK. One team one mission?

What is the end goal of trusting LSK by getting the possibility of lots of coins? If clearly some of you guys don't expect LSK to become great this way. Is it in someway possible with a lot of LSK coins you can get more control over the project, and swing it your ways?


Yes, cannabanana is a member of ARK. He is an important member with many contributions but not the head of development or a decision maker. We doesn't work that way, instead we take great pains to hear out ever members point of view and arrive to the best possible decision on everything regarding ARK. This is not a one man show, we talk about everything. A lot. (I mean a lot, we had to pay for slack because the free 10k limit only gave us less than 5 days of history Smiley ).

I think you should simply ignore cannabanana if you don't like him. Anyone who frequented the Lisk thread or Lisk chat in the past knows that cannabanana will say whatever the hell he wants, he is...passionate.

Even our core group is 27 strong, you can probably double that to include everyone. In such a large group opinions on some things vary and there are always outliers. cannabanana is frustrated with Lisks progress and Max others less so or just don't want to spend time on posting about it, while others don't care either way and focusing on other things. It's a wide spectrum of personal opinions, but it has little effect on the ARK project and it's directions so we don't regulate it.

We accept Lisk because we think it's a good long term investment. We do it because it benefits us, benefits the Lisk community that we are still all very much part of. That makes is a bit of an emotional decision I guess but not that much. It wouldn't stand without us thinging it a good strategy.
Having Lisk won't give us power over Lisk development and we are not trying to gain any. We are focusing on figuring out what's best for ARK, and thats about it.
213  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 04, 2016, 03:28:55 PM
I appreciate your response bangomatic and vega
the only reason I ask is that depending on the amount of lisk raised, considering that Iconomi raised shy of 4 mil LSK, and given ARKs enticing LSK bonuses
if voting agreed upon, who and how would you decide to vote for? if a significant amount is raised it could completely alter the top 101 delegates

I really don't wish to get into the intricacies of the politics that is DPoS. Because it's a political consensus mechanism no question about it.

I can't really make an official statement about it as there isn't one yet, but I can tell you what won't happen as long as I have anything to say about it (and most or maybe all of the ARK team agrees from what I seen so far): The gathered Lisk won't be used to rock the boat (light pun intended).

ARK has zero intention to take over the Lisk delegate system. Meaning even if we vote you won't see a bunch of new delegates popping up, forge and take off with the forged Lisk. We, as any good Lisk supporter would want those delegates to forge who showed dedication, dependable, spent time and money on Lisk nodes and providing other contributions to Lisk and it's community and willing to support future development.
214  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 04, 2016, 03:16:45 PM
So let me get this straight :

- This ico is accepting any kinds of coins (more or less)
- Some team members act like they are 6 years old (insulting even).
- They stated (I believe) that they have no plan to dump (possibly just related to lisk), but need cash (which mean , need to dump)
- They shit on lisk, while accepting lisk.

- ony Lisk and BTC will be accepted (Altough using shapeshift is an option)
- As long as there is a reasonable amount of BTC donated Lisk doesn't need to be touched. There is slim to none chance of enough Lisk being donated to reach the minimum threshold without more than enough BTC also being put in. As time progresses the bonuses decreases and the BTC-Lisk ratio will change. A lot of people will only get in the last minute in these ICOs no matter what earily bonus is promised
- "they" do not shit on lisk. one member expressed an opinion after provoked, and not even about Lisk but mainly Max and the previous progress
215  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 04, 2016, 02:13:26 PM
will the lisk raised be used to vote?

While we agreed on holding Lisk long term we yet to make a decision about using the collected Lisk for voting.
The ARK team has a pretty unique internal dynamic. We are many and we always discuss options and won't make a decision until we reached a consensus on an issue. This is something that doesn't work with any group of people but worked for us really well in the last few months since we are working on ARK.

There are however many important and more pressing issues to decide on, Lisk voting is not a priority at the moment. Ask as in a month.
216  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 04, 2016, 01:54:11 PM
Only Max can answer you on his feelings towards ARK.
Anyone closely following Lisk or just read the community meetings know that there are two questions that Max never comments on. The price of lisk and other projects. I think this is a very good attitude.

They asked him a bunch of times what he thinks of ETH, DAO, ETHvsLisk and the answer always something like: "I don't comment on other projects, we are focused on Lisk".
217  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 04, 2016, 01:38:33 PM
So Max was free when he decided to be ICONOMI Escrow during their campaign, that point to me is not justified
Again, we did not ask. I really don't understand why this is even an issue.

ICN is a different animal. In my opinion it would be bad taste to ask a project leader to escrow a fork of their project, not matter what.

As we said we are not meant to compete with Lisk but go a different direction with development (Lisk focusing on side-chain apps while ARK on bridging), but still it's like asking Max why didn't he get Boris (Crypti dev) to escrow for Lisk ICO.
Because it doesn't make sense thats why.

218  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 04, 2016, 12:11:52 PM
Hello, I want to know the fundamental reason that Lisk is undervalued as stated in some previous post.
I would to know and I believe other people would to.

Thank you!

We can't really offer you advice about other projects and their worth. Everyone has to make their own diligence and come up with their own analysis.
I'll only say this. Lisk is still over ICO price. Lisk development has been progressing steadily. Lisk has still have almost 14k bitcoint to spend on development, PR, partnerships, etc.

Will this cause suddent price rise? No, but as we said ARK has patience. We will send out a dove every few months until we find land. Smiley
219  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers on: November 04, 2016, 12:02:27 PM
There is no reason for me to waste my time. I just answer to Khilone7 question which is already out there.

You gave your opinion that is easily disproved by anyone who is familiar with the lisk community and willing to do a minimal amount of checking.
Claiming that the members of ARK team and crew are fake is ridiculous.

GDT, the Global Delegate Team is by far the largest organized group in the lisk community. Most of are members are well known in this thread and in the lisk chat. The idea of ARK was born in the GDT private slack that has almost a 100 members. THE ARK Founding Team and ARK Crew members didn't come from some unknown corner of the crypto space, we are known nicks, no way to fake it, it would be discovered in hours. Even more we decided to give our real names and faces to the project. 27 of us. Not many crpyto project can claim the same.

That's all on this subject from me, I too urge anyone who has ARK releated questions to go to the ARK thread.
220  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption [TEC - 120% Lisk Bonus] on: November 04, 2016, 11:31:52 AM
The question is about they whys of the Lisk bonus have been answered many times in many ways. There are many reasons, but simply put:

All of the Ark Crew is early and long time Lisk supporters. We were and still are running a good part of the testnet, have mainnet nodes, created tools for it, part of the community, etc.

We offer extra insentive to donate Lisk because we want lots of Lisk. It's really that simple.

We have use for Lisk. We feel Lisk in currently undervalued and we can afford to hold on to Lisk on the long term, years even.
By offering this bonus we create an opportunity for ourselves to get the Lisk we want and for those that want to get out of Lisk (for now) to do it at a premium. The Lisk that gets donated will be off the market and that should alleviate a chunk of the sell pressure, so it should help Lisk price to stabilize at a higher level than it was before the ARK announcement.

Everyone benefits.
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