This describes a lot of people. When the ship began sinking, a lot of people (myself included) traded coins out at a loss just to get something. I lost like 14k/pot because of this, and because it's been traded out, I can't get anything back for it.

So for all intents and purposes, anyone could register an account and then use someone else's email address and claim it's their own, and then take their balances?

Interesting. I can see that as very valuable in normal markets, for myself I wouldn't use it in the crypto world in general, though Potcoin at the outset has had greater foundation than others. You would've made a killing back when it was in the 3500satoshi @ 420pot/block range.

Best of luck.

I suggested a public ledger many pages back, for this purpose.

I'm presuming you're in the UK. I don't know the laws very well, but it will be shipped from outside of the UK. I know for US customers they will face roughly a 10% import/customs fee. Not sure if the UK will bypass it since it's being overseen by a UK company. Good luck though, and let everyone know what happens.

Not too worried about heat, based on other high-hashing designs I've seen in action. I'd be worried that it works, that they have the firmware proper, and there are no import/customs issues.

So what's your data/reasoning for the investment? And hopes keep things going? Why this vs another more established coin, or another coin which has also continually decreased in value?

Well they did say that they would be assembled and shipped from the chip manufacturer's location, which is India, not the UK. So they don't need the physical chips. Remember, these people outsourced everything.

As another poster mentioned, remember BlackArrow. I followed them from day one last year, and they still haven't shipped proper equipment. Hashfast is another one. I remember when they got their chips delivered to their doorstep, and days later found out it was essentially boxes of paperweights.

Best of luck for these folks. I agree with Cablez, they should deliver on just the deposits--but we know that won't happen.

Anyone try pressing down on the DC components to see if they come live? I remember some batches of gear last year had possibly cold solder joints which were irritated with shipping (ups air, they throw things), and folks found they'd come alive by using physical pressure.

Aren't they overdue for an update? They supposedly had a big milestone a day or 2 ago.

Also for folks who are successful with your PayPal refunds, please post your transaction/refund info (ID's/etc) for everyone else to cross-reference.

You're a tool. Plain and simple. You, for some reason, are directing an attack at me--the guy who didn't support or call for investigation measures. I simply spoke up to provide some potential reason as to why someone may. You've been on this thread for awhile now whining about things, pounding your fist, and now you're directing your anger toward me for some reason. If there's one thing I can learn from you, it's how to be an asshat. I'll consider myself taught. Thank you sir. If I ever feel the need to act the fool, I will definitely take your lead.


I'm familiar with those and the author, and I wholeheartedly agree with your last statement. There is a noticable difference between greedy business folk and someone who may actually have legit ties elsewhere, in few publicized cases have innocent parties been ruined by US Prosecution when abroad.

It's also worth noting folks called for the same "reporting" of Hashfast, so yeah normal white people do get reported as well. In fact, many folks on a daily basis are reported. It's not the best system in the world, but if you think about it, no government is there to serve the people--they exist to serve themselves. So you're screwed either way.

This is sortof one of the reasons why bitcoin came into being.

Try changing the voltage/speed of the others? I have some KNC gear that would act like that and required I actually raise the speed of the bum ones above stock, and in some cases lowering voltage. I've also noticed sometimes neighboring DC's if running too high, would shut down the bum ones. Almost seemed as if they were pulling current away from them.

I don't trust or use mainstream media, so way to go using a blanket generalization. Same with the Bush knock. I also said there may be no relation, but that it's likely one of many reasons why someone might report them. There's no requirement for evidence, just concern--that's straight from the Obama administration, as well as the current Scottland Yard officials. It was this same level of concern which supposedly led to the capture of 4 individuals in London yesterday.

It sounds to me like you fail english reading comprehension and critical discernment. Perhaps this is why you invested in them and others didn't? Do you even know what the term racist means? It doesn't apply to folks calling for an inquest. I've seen the same request made of the Hashfast people, who are neither of middle-eastern decent nor of the same continent.

I've never once supported reporting them to any agency, but I also don't see any evidence to call others racist for feeling concerned. I'm merely dissecting the possibility of why others do.

So why the hate? Chill out, and deal with your loss. Let others do as they please. Stay on topic, this thread is relating to providing help and information.

That doesn't make it racist, that increases odds.


You don't need evidence, you only need the concern, which apparently some folks have


The fact they took tens of millions from individuals around the same time some groups gained money, and then most of the folks in this group disappeared and have nary a trace online.


I didn't personally call for such inquests, but I used my reasoning abilities to discern why others did.


Why would people in the UK who are reporting them, have anything to do with Bush? And what does Bush have to do with ongoing issues worldwide?

Back on topic .. some people feel the need to report them, others don't. It's not racist, and there's also no product from AT.  These are facts. Rest assured.

Speculation isn't racism. The US govt is actively investigating such links, so is Scottland Yard. It doesn't hurt to report, because if they're clean they're clean and nothing will happen. Alpha took a lot of money right around the same time certain groups gained a lot of money. It could be coincidence, but some folks feel like they need to report it.

If they just gave Luke a miner, which would cost them next to nothing, they wouldn't have to worry about half this stuff. They gave him gear lastyear.

I'm waiting for:


..followed 3 days later with:


Which is pretty much what they did to you guys in June/July.

Agree on nomp, it's far better.

I can only speak to what I've witnessed, not that it's an across-the-board problem or solution, but I've seen it work just by changing pools. Not only pools, but coins as well. We went through this somewhat with the ramp from GPU->ASIC in the SHA world.

If people would just stick with bitcoin..

I've said this numerous times. People seem to want to beat the KNC horse rather than try other options. I've seen GH farms work flawlessly on one pool, but crap out on other pools. it wasn't the farm, it was the pool.

I love the first gen gear.