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461  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 02, 2014, 02:49:34 PM
Fiaz (July 02, 2014): "Shipping is not expected to start on the 15th"

So we know the "optimistic" scenario won't fire.

Well. Can't say I didn't see this coming.
462  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 02, 2014, 12:58:43 PM
Is it just me, or did Alpha just lock down almost all of their forums (except a general page) to members only? I can't reach threads I was able to browse prior, without logging in.
463  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 02, 2014, 12:51:08 PM
Wouldn't you want to follow these folks home to see where the money is going?

VesperWillow, I'm not sure you understand fully what people are dealing with here if you are encouraging people to 'follow these folks home' in an area just a few blocks from Moss Side.

See those steel shutters in the picture of the Alpha-T office ? There is a reason why they are there.

See that video camera on the building next door ? Ditto.

Seriously.

Don't worry the forum is full of keyboard warriors.
If it was different a few guys from BFL would have already been run down by cars or hanged or god knows what.

I saw so many threats but they still appear in public at conferences and nobody dears to throw a glass of water at them.

Like I said before, I've operated in far worse. But the safety suggestions are good for most people.

I think what a lot of it boils down to is many people used coins to prepay, and probably feel the deposit loss isn't worth following up. People just shrug it off and keep mining, and that's how many of these scams and failed startups get away with virtual highway robbery.


I think if we saw more cold-cash deals going on, especially from locals, you'd hear about more actual store-front interactions/followups in cases like these.
464  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 02, 2014, 12:47:57 AM
Wouldn't you want to follow these folks home to see where the money is going?

VesperWillow, I'm not sure you understand fully what people are dealing with here if you are encouraging people to 'follow these folks home' in an area just a few blocks from Moss Side.

See those steel shutters in the picture of the Alpha-T office ? There is a reason why they are there.

See that video camera on the building next door ? Ditto.

Seriously.

Well I concur that it isn't the most savory and an unprepared individual wouldn't want to follow them home. It's not something which would stop me though, having happily done similar in the past. At the least, they should be scoping this place out and talking to legal advice.

It's unfortunate. Unless these folks are going to mind-blow everyone with complete order fulfillment--despite having not received the majority of the balance.
465  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 01, 2014, 06:51:06 PM
I agree with retro, their terms don't add up to some UK regulations that I've seen. I'm not a UK resident, but I know enough to contact the UK authorities. If I lived there, I would also talk to a lawyer and see if they'll pro-bono look over the terms to see if there are any ways it can be attacked.

And, I keep saying it, I'd go camp out at their business address and harass them (legally). I'm surprised so few people are interested in face to face discussions. People are possibly going to lose tens, thousands of dollars. Wouldn't you want to follow these folks home to see where the money is going?

And hell, who knows, on the speculative side of things, maybe those couple of folks months ago were right and the money did get laundered to "horrible purposes". All we know is none of this looks proper. None of it.
466  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Crypto Rush - Crypto to Crypto exchange on: July 01, 2014, 02:34:18 PM
cryptorush in beta  Shocked

Are they issuing refunds to everyone?

LOL
467  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 01, 2014, 02:21:54 PM
Hashfast was hilarious. And did anyone see photos of the "CEO" ? I wouldn't trust him with a broken pencil.
468  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 01, 2014, 02:04:58 PM
Totally contradicting himself too.. he promised it upon his own well being that they would have it by the end of June. Remember they guaranteed it by the end of June, without question?

Also, pay particular attention to their wording in their last update (Source), especially the highlighted:

"And we are sorry the payment processor keeps getting delayed we are doing everything we can to get it to you as fast as possible, rest assured we are committed to it so it will happen but some things are just outside of our control; as soon as it’s up we will email you. It could in fact be any day now but do note this is an issue separate to production and does not affect our schedule. We will be producing as many units as ordered without waiting for card customers to pay thus if you have not yet paid your order will still be manufactured regardless. Therefore our development isn’t delayed by this and if we end up with extra units they will first be offered to existing customers and if they still haven’t been taken up they will then be put up for sale to the public. "

Having read that, keep this in mind:

1. Most folks signed on because they offered credit processing (the bait)
2. They're going to make the same amount of machines regardless of who's paid (the distraction)
3. They have no method to take credit
4. If your account is unpaid, they will offer your machine to someone else (the switch)
5. Your deposit isn't refundable, ergo, they got a free loan

This isn't to say this was the plan from the beginning (could've been, but not necessarily), however, the way they're posturing themselves, they apparently almost seem to benefit from not having a credit processing method. In their minds, they don't have to issue refunds on unfulfilled orders (their T&C saying their faults do not constitute default). If you had planned to use a CC to pay this whole time, you'd be bum out of luck, and your order would go to someone else.

Consider for a moment how many chips they would have to have ordered to complete the project. The original systems were what, 5 and 20? The new systems are 50 and 250. Going on their estimate of 1.4mh per chip, batch 1 of 1,200 orders for each (I think that was right, correct me if wrong):

5mh @ 1.4mh/ch = 4 chips
20mh @ 1.4mh/ch = 15 chips

That's 19 chips total. 1,200 orders each = 22,800 chips. Most smart OEMs will order 25% extra for spares/issues/etc. So that's 28,500 chips. Now consider, according to their timeline, they began the foundry process without telling us, sometime in April. This is before they promised more and more hashpower for folks. So their order was placed and done.

How then, can they achieve these results with 28,500 chips:

50mh @ 1.4mh/ch = 36 chips (43,200 chips required)
250mh @ 1.4mh/ch = 179 chips (214,800 chips required)

215 chips at 1,200 orders = 258,000 chips. In other words, they're promising to deliver ten times the hashpower, despite locking in their order at 1/10th the capacity. UNLESS of course, they originally planned to order 1,000% more chips. Even the 10% gain in efficiency doesn't make up for it.

With even more chips than they likedly ordered, let's say 30,000, they still couldn't fulfill just the 50mh orders.

The only way to make any of this even close to working, is to prevent many people from getting their orders, and/or to raise more money to keep the foundry pumping out chips. There's also possibilities not covered here.

This is all speculative, but when you run the numbers--there's lots of math not adding up. A promise of tenfold increase in delivered product, after locking in their foundry order, with only a 10-20% increase in chip efficiency.

(edited to fix typo in numbers)
469  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 01, 2014, 02:00:53 AM
Spikes, but mostly trailed BTC proportionally.

On Alpha, they're over a week late for an update (as per Fiaz a week and a half ago promising a Monday update). It's also noteworthy it's July in the UK, and they were supposed to have a program in place before July for credit processing.

For a transparent company with no issues, they seem to have an issue with followup and followthrough.
470  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: June 30, 2014, 08:05:54 PM
Anyone notice LTC is still going down? I wonder how this is going to affect Scrypt ASIC's?

The "great synthetic dive", to buy tons more before difficulty exponentially rises.
471  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: June 30, 2014, 07:04:12 PM
The analyst in me has to wonder, why remove the photos?

The opinions and expressions, I can understand if I really stretch my viewpoints. But the photos? That's a particularly interesting thing to remove. Speculation can run wild, no doubt. And it takes, what, moments to update a page? You wouldn't remove something for days on end if you plan to revamp it, you'd create a new version, and just switch.

To remove the photos and simply not put anything else up...
472  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: June 30, 2014, 12:33:11 PM
Just a few hours away until midnight in the UK, that's usually when they post updates. They're supposed to  have a 'large' update and the CC processor by today. I would presume by normal business hours, but they seem to operate "at midnight".

Guess we'll see what happens. Any betters?
473  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: June 29, 2014, 11:23:17 PM
I was following this from day 1, and when they were first trying to attract people, they did send out messages guaranteeing delivery by July. possibly sooner. I don't know if they've been edited/removed since then, but FWIW, those were the original T&C. Not just Q2/Q3, but July as a drop dead timeframe.

I am not sure about T&C but the first declaration I remember was April. The sentence on one of the forums was "call us scammers if we don't deliver by April". I tried to find it few weeks ago but it was deleted apparently.


I can corroborate that, I remember reading it.
474  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: June 29, 2014, 08:27:33 PM
I was following this from day 1, and when they were first trying to attract people, they did send out messages guaranteeing delivery by July. possibly sooner. I don't know if they've been edited/removed since then, but FWIW, those were the original T&C. Not just Q2/Q3, but July as a drop dead timeframe.
475  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: June 29, 2014, 12:19:40 AM
i orderd the large thing for 9371 usd and this thread is scaring the shit out of me

Please show us a working prototype

I hope for your sake and others that everything goes well.
476  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: June 28, 2014, 04:27:13 PM
Hey guys, I just noticed they removed their photos from the website: https://alpha-t.net/about-us/team-2/

Here's the wayback snapshot from a couple months back: https://web.archive.org/web/20140210074928/https://alpha-t.net/about-us/team-2/

They were there not 2 days ago.

Image:
477  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: June 28, 2014, 04:25:05 PM
You should also be aware that Fiaz has just deleted his account and removed every single post he has on litecointalk. Exactly what he did here a few days ago.

This is his former profile on litecointalk:
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=24384

And on bitcointalk:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=220493

So he has now attempted to remove all traces of his posts on both of the major crytpocurrency forums. Not what you would expect from an open and transparent company is it?

Haha, wow.

As if folks needed any more evidence that something is amiss, this is a clear sign that something isn't going well.
478  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: June 28, 2014, 03:04:30 AM
For what it's worth, BFL has been taken to court numerous times and BFL lost each time. It started in December, and has continued. Somewhere on the forums is a thread which has collected all of the lawsuits. BFL has, of course, played it down and ignored it when folks bring it up.

Nothing can be done like that for this situation until AT is in breach of the appropriate legislation for the UK. Now, I would say they already are as some have pointed out their terms do not fall within guidelines, but UK citizens have to bring the suit, or others will have to somehow get complaints filed in the UK.
479  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: June 27, 2014, 07:22:07 PM
It's also interesting to note the frequency and volume of their sudden change of terms, heart and attitude, since several folks began asking pointed, logical questions, which couldn't be avoided.
480  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: June 27, 2014, 06:45:12 PM
I'm confident they'll post something on Monday night. It'll include some major hardware update, and I bet they'll be requiring payments. And if they have a credit processor by then, they'll likely have some piece of hardware to show off to allay anyone's fears.

We'll see..
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