You created fake accounts then later 'determine' that it was unethical then closed them.   But some how you could not see how ethical it was while you were thinking about it?
I was unethical as a though, it was unethical when you started to process, it was unethical when you agreed to the terms of the site that said you would not do such things, it was unethical when you used it to access the site, it was unethical when you used it to create an entry, it was unethical when you allowed it to remain as long as you did.
that applies to each of the accounts that you made that have any relation to PICISI.

To call yourself "honest and ethical" after admitting to mass unethical behavior is a pathological liar admitting to being a liar and wanting credit for momentarily telling the truth.

You created fake accounts then later 'determine' that it was unethical then closed them.   But some how you could not see how ethical it was while you were thinking about it?
I was unethical as a though, it was unethical when you started to process, it was unethical when you agreed to the terms of the site that said you would not do such things, it was unethical when you used it to access the site, it was unethical when you used it to create an entry, it was unethical when you allowed it to remain as long as you did.
that applies to each of the accounts that you made that have any relation to PICISI.

To call yourself "honest and ethical" after admitting to mass unethical behavior is a pathological liar admitting to being a liar and wanting credit for momentarily telling the truth.

You created fake accounts then later 'determine' that it was unethical then closed them.   But some how you could not see how ethical it was while you were thinking about it?
I was unethical as a though, it was unethical when you started to process, it was unethical when you agreed to the terms of the site that said you would not do such things, it was unethical when you used it to access the site, it was unethical when you used it to create an entry, it was unethical when you allowed it to remain as long as you did.
that applies to each of the accounts that you made that have any relation to PICISI.

To call yourself "honest and ethical" after admitting to mass unethical behavior is a pathological liar admitting to being a liar and wanting credit for momentarily telling the truth.

You created fake accounts then later 'determine' that it was unethical then closed them.   But some how you could not see how ethical it was while you were thinking about it?
I was unethical as a though, it was unethical when you started to process, it was unethical when you agreed to the terms of the site that said you would not do such things, it was unethical when you used it to access the site, it was unethical when you used it to create an entry, it was unethical when you allowed it to remain as long as you did.
that applies to each of the accounts that you made that have any relation to PICISI.

To call yourself "honest and ethical" after admitting to mass unethical behavior is a pathological liar admitting to being a liar and wanting credit for momentarily telling the truth.

You created fake accounts then later 'determine' that it was unethical then closed them.   But some how you could not see how ethical it was while you were thinking about it?
I was unethical as a though, it was unethical when you started to process, it was unethical when you agreed to the terms of the site that said you would not do such things, it was unethical when you used it to access the site, it was unethical when you used it to create an entry, it was unethical when you allowed it to remain as long as you did.
that applies to each of the accounts that you made that have any relation to PICISI.

To call yourself "honest and ethical" after admitting to mass unethical behavior is a liar admitting to being a liar and wanting credit for momentarily telling the truth.

Red is old news: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1060445.msg11397837#msg11397837

keep up with the thread

Who is claiming to have been scammed?  You ran all over the palace screaming scam, scam, scam but no one was scammed.  





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You created fake accounts then later 'determine' that it was unethical then closed them.   But some how you could not see how ethical it was while you were thinking about it?
I was unethical as a though, it was unethical when you started to process, it was unethical when you agreed to the terms of the site that said you would not do such things, it was unethical when you used it to access the site, it was unethical when you used it to create an entry, it was unethical when you allowed it to remain as long as you did.
that applies to each of the accounts that you made that have any relation to PICISI.

To call yourself "honest and ethical" after admitting to mass unethical behavior is a pathological liar admitting to being a liar and wanting credit for momentarily telling the truth.

You created fake accounts then later 'determine' that it was unethical then closed them.   But some how you could not see how ethical it was while you were thinking about it?
I was unethical as a though, it was unethical when you started to process, it was unethical when you agreed to the terms of the site that said you would not do such things, it was unethical when you used it to access the site, it was unethical when you used it to create an entry, it was unethical when you allowed it to remain as long as you did.
that applies to each of the accounts that you made that have any relation to PICISI.

To call yourself "honest and ethical" after admitting to mass unethical behavior is a liar admitting to being a liar and wanting credit for momentarily telling the truth.

"OK walls of text are not required." we both realize that we both are not only writing to one another we are writing to the public, you want people to see what you are writing and I want the same.

My logic is consistent, your logic is inconsistent.  According to your logic just because I told you about part of my idea somehow that entitles you to receive information I'm not prepared to share.  If your support is contingent on getting more information than is available or would be provided then just stop.  You don't try to extort that information.

You said you are not Vod, I know that, and I also know who invited Vod into the discussion that's why it was relevant.  My whole disposition changed when I learned who started this nonsense.  But then when I looked back on the public comment and the PM exchange it all made sense to me.  Which is why the sponsorship invitation was withdrawn.


A white paper is essentially an idea in writing, the written idea document for PICISI is closer to a dissertation. none of which need to be signed.  Whole books are written by unnamed authors.  A business on the other hand often needs recognized responsibility, when PICISI is formed it will be done responsibly, and in accordance with the law of the land it is domiciled.  But we are not there yet, and you acknowledged that exact fact when you said:


I not only shared some of my ideas I also showed you my launch count down.  So everyone was aware of what was happening as they happened, no one has to ask for updates updates are continuous.  Obviously I should have kept the name of the company secret too so your pal Vod would not have that to play with. 

You said: "People should avoid this project if you're going to remain anonymous." I say: "People should only do what they are comfortable doing."   You clearly were not comfortable, so why try to pry? 

You said: "... my questions directed at your identity. You refuse to discuss your identity at all and the deflection away from it is very curious. Who if any sponsors know your identity?"   Your obsession with my identity is not my problem.  But I'll answer the question again as I have done each and every time you and others have brought it up:
"if PICISI has not yet launched no disclosures will be made".


 

If you think you are authorized to speak for PICISI then you answer Muhammed Zakir's question.   That one is for you Fod

And now a word from a current PICISI Sponsor who will bring on a new sponsor:

Tell that to the guy (or group) that created Bitcoin. and the millions that use it daily including you.

You have a right to your doubts and you have a right to share your doubts but when your doubts turn to false accusations and an irresponsible smear campaign that's wayyy overboard.  Then I have a right to be angry.

Here's the thing Bicknellski when someone is preparing something and you don't know what they are doing or how they are doing what they are doing it is wise to stand back and watch than to try jumping in to 'help'.  Especially if your assistance could result in a big mess that someone else has to clean up.  

If you don't know, if you don't feel comfortable, if you have any reservations whatsoever stop right there.

Vod never had any sponsorship interest in PICISI and never even bothered to suggest he did, his interest was rather clear and specific he wanted to know who was behind the project and I told him that was not a matter of discussion at this juncture.   I specifically told him that after all of the prerequisite goals have been achieved to form then we would determine the disclosures that would be made.  That was not satisfactory for him so he issued negative feedback, issued a host of false claims at various PICISI threads (including 3 PICISI sponsor threads), and continues trying to extort information from me that I have absolutely no obligation to release.

Here are more of his insane antics he is performing all in his effort to extort information from me:

1)

2)
if you don't understand what you are seeing you are seeing a thread that Vod controls that was locked prior to that last comment, reopen specifically to permit that last comment to be posted, then locked immediately afterwards again.   So who do you think created the "OFFICAL PICISI" account?  I'll give you a hint, it wasn't anyone authorized by PICISI.

Oh and the nonsense didn't stop there,
 - creating a fake "official PICISI" accounts
 - creating a fake "offical PICISI" account (see spelling of official)
 - creating a PICSIS account (see spelling)
 - creating a pickissy account


In whose name was that done, at whose inspiration was that done, who is cheerleading the effort "Need to give VOD a bone or a much better explanation or he will keep at you."
and "I believe he is a problem for you not me. You should do everything you can to clarify your position."  Those quoted words when I first read them I thought came from someone that supported me, however I later learned they came from someone that was actually motivating the monster.

And now as that provocateur distances himself from Vod's wickedness he wants to give the impression that he played no role in the mess -- THAT is dishonesty, THAT is deception, and THAT is the very definition of UNTRUSTWORTHY.   That is why I need to vet new sponsor applicants because I see how their ignorance can damage me, I see how their doubt can harm PICISI, and I see how their fear can make a big mess for everyone but them.

Given your name and your signature you are clearly a fraud.   You are only trying to make it appear that you are related to PICISI but you are not.

As was pointed out by others, Vod the "scam buster" should be trying to root out such fraudulent practices not perpetuating them with these irresponsible actions. 

ooops, I was so excited about the fine work you did I mispoke when I said 'you were the first person to earn Pi', I meant you are the first Promotions Contractor to earn Pi for doing a 'Reserve' (bid contract) project.

Great job, it is expected to be mentioned in an upcoming article.

hahahaa, no it can't ...

Your reference to "it" relates to the name of the company, the plan, the endeavor, the site, its name is "PICISI" it's a one-word name, not a 6 word name or a 9 word namephrase.  

Using any reasonable logic you should not arrive at the conclusion that "it" is a Charity unless you are lead there by someone making that suggestion.
For example if someone said to you: "Do you think this is a Charity: 'Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, and Ideas'?"  The question is leading you to the answer they want.  Likewise, if someone else were to say: "Do you think this is a Philanthropic organization: 'Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, and Ideas'?" that questioner is leading you in the direction 'Philanthropic org'.

The words are not arrayed in a random order, they are specifically placed and include prepositions and punctuations so they are not simply words they are grammatically connected words that make a phrase.  This: "Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, and Ideas" is totally different on paper or said aloud than this "Philanthropic Investment Charity Inventions Startups Ideas".

Question: How many places do you see where it says that PICISI is a crowdfunding site?  And how many places do you see it say PICISI is anything other than a crowdfunding site?   So it's ok to think its a ice cream store because it sounds like your favorite ice cream flavor (pistachio), but when you are told what it is and nothing else directly disputes the fact its not an issue its an observation.

actually I did answer your question Muhammed, please rephrase and elaborate more on what you mean by: "Where/How are you planning to store raised funds?"


Muhammed, "... the ... name is PICISI ... The phrase pertaining to the letters of the name when said out loud as a phrase: "Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, an Ideas" it tells you what the company is about what they do, its not designed for any single word to say what the business is, it's meant for all of the words as a phrase to say what the business is about..."  The company name is not a six-word name, it's a one-word name PICISI pronounced (pick-easy).  The word in the image in the OP is the name of the plan, "the company", the site, the business, the entity, and the endeavor.

Muhammed and Gisado, to claim that simply because the word "charity" is in the phrase means it's a charity, that same logic would also mean that it is also an Investment firm and a Philanthropic org, and a Inventions shop, and a Ideas house because all of those words are in the same phrase. 

Keep in mind that the words are arranged like this:
Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, and Ideas
not like this:
Philanthropic Investment Charity Inventions Startups Ideas
or like this:
Philanthropic Investment Inventions Startups Ideas for Charity

the first one is a phrase, the second one is simply an array of words, and the third one is an array of words directed to a very specific word, in that last case you could reasonable assume its about a charity.

That's a very good question but I don't exactly understand it, please rephrase the question with elaboration.

I said it earlier and I'm repeating it with emphasis: if anyone has a shred of fear, doubt, or reservation about PICISI or me, my high advice is to not associate.

Yes, there will be a vetting process, I didn't appreciate the nonsense I went through because of someone's doubts.  I was very disappointed when I found out how this all started.

As for what "100% Satisfaction Guaranteed" means, it means if we don't meet the standard that our sponsor expects of us, regardless of how high, they are entitled to a 100% refund and a sincere apology for the disappointment as we terminate that association.  The result will enable us to focus more attention on the customers who appreciate the service.  When they are satisfied they will likely refer us to their friends and so on, and so on.

Thanks for your message.

Here is an article on PICISI sponsors: http://www.crowdfundingpr.org/picisi-crowdfunding-sponsors/

You asked "what does it take to get sponsorship  status", a protocol has not been set-up as of yet however it will be along the lines of what the CC client wants from PICISI in terms of performance. There are about 15 different sponsorship opportunities.   The two general sponsorship opportunities were: a PICISI endorsement, if you like PICISI and you want to show your support for the endeavor let me know however way you wish.  That is the one that ceased with the above mention.   The other general sponsorship will be automatic, the top 10 sponsors are featured in ranking order in the margins of the site's home page.

All of the rest are specific, the most popular is expected to be the 4 mentioned in the article:
1) host CC sponsor
2) Perk sponsor
3) campaign body sponsor
and
4) video sponsor

The fees for sponsors are all extremely affordable in order to encourage sponsorship in mass.  Every single campaign will enjoy the supportive embrace of sponsorship as such  100% of the campaigns will receive something -- no one leaves empty handed.

You want to know how it benefits the sponsor, what all serious currencies have in common is that they want to be used as a currency.  If a currency that only gets as far as the trading market isn't being used as a currency it's being used as a commodity.  What PICISI does it enable the CC to be used as a currency, plus other things.

Having your logo on the site advertises your CC that's one benefit, the home page is an earned position, however a sponsor could pay for a position on one of the category so let's say you are Energy coin a good spot to have your logo will be at the Renewable Energy category.  And when you see various renewable energy campaigns come in you might decide to sponsor a campaign in any or all of the 4 ways indicated above.  

The Host CC sponsorship specifically allows all CC donations made to that campaign for the duration of the campaign to be immediately converted to the host CC sponsor CC.  That gives your CC immediate market support.  So when someone sends a donation someone's currency is being used as a currency.   Since all CC is liquid the campaign organizer has the right to use those funds to spend on developing and/or promoting their campaign with the Campaign Contractors that will be available.  PICISI will escrow funds and participate with feedback.   It's important to not that the host CC sponsor is selected by either a bid or 1st one to $1 worth of their CC, depending on the type of campaign.  Anything in technology will be bid, most other categories will be first to $1 worth of CC.  All of the host CC sponsor money goes to the campaign.  All other sponsorship opportunities have a PICISI fee from the receiver of the funds.

the perks are give away opportunities where you would give x#of CC to the campaign and they would use it as gifts to give to donors of specific amount.

the campaign body places your logo in the text body of the campaign

and
 
the vid sponsorship enables you to place a 5 second spot at the opening of the vid for that campaign "this vid was sponsored by [show logo] [say mantra]"

so you are marketing your currency to many different people in many different ways.


Sponsorship should result in more movement for your CC more community members and more adoption opportunities (our contractors will likely accept your coin at their sites too).  

the PICISI mantra is Promotion, Promotion, Promotion, promotion of the PICISI message, our sponsors message, and the message of our campaigns.  Recently we offered to do a free article relevant to PICISI for each of our sponsors.  Glad only a handful took advantage of the offer because was and is hard work.  

As you can see there are tremendous benefits to being a PICISI sponsor.  Remember, if it doesn't live up to your expectations regardless of how grand you are welcome to a refund on request.  

It has come to my attention that Vod was feed poor intelligence by someone wanting to be a PICISI sponsor, the information did not originate from any PICISI sponsor as we were mislead to believe.  Not one of the 23 PICISI sponsors issued a complaint, requested a refund, or expressed a desire to change their association.

So all of Vod's irresponsible behavior was not in defense of any PICISI's sponsor, that's why he would not tell me who it was because he could not, it was a total fabrication, no sponsor complaint ever existed.

To everyone reading this message PICISI is a good plan, PICISI will be an honorable company, and PICISI will do great things for the CC industry.

As a direct result of this madness the following change is now in effect -- sponsorship will no longer be open to all, there is only 1 sponsorship invitation outstanding, I am now withdrawing that invitation.  If someone wants to be a PICISI sponsor it will be incumbent on them to persuade PICISI as to why that should be.

Here is what hasn't changed -- sponsorship is 100% Satisfaction Guaranteed, always was, always will be.