Zapravo sam se referirao na NFT token koji će jedan naš član dobivati svakog tjedna u svojoj signature kampanji, ali hvala na dodatnom pojašnjenju i potvrdi da sam ovo dobro shvatio, s obzirom na nejasni i birokratski jezik porezne.
Mislim da je već svima nama poprilično jasno što i kako s kriptoimovinom ako smo je dobili kroz trgovanje, kupnjom i prodajom, unutar roka od 2 godine i nakon tog roka. O tome pišemo već par godina i mislim da je tu situacija poprilično jasna.
Ono što svima zapravo puno više komplicira život je što napraviti kada do NFT tokena, btc ili bilo čega drugog ne dođemo kupovinom ili trgovanjem već zaradom kroz neki odrađeni rad, reklamiranje i sl.
Situacija je tu zaista apsurdna jer često i ne znaš vrijednost tog NFT tokena a po tumačenju porezne morao bi odmah, u roku od 15 dana, taj token prijaviti poreznoj i platiti neki porez, iako nikakve dobiti još nemamo.
Iskreno, jako glupo i besmisleno pravilo kojeg se vjerojatno nitko neće držati, ljudi će silom prilika u ilegalu, a država će ostati bez prihoda od poreza.
Ukratko, svi su na gubitku.
A zar ne bi bilo prirodnije i logičnije da se porez plati ne na kriptoimovinu u trenutku stjecanja već kada se ta kriptoimovina proda za fiat (i kada smo ostvarili neku konkretnu a ne virtualnu dobit)?

Transfer rumours:

Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester City target Dusan Vlahovic could price himself out of a January move because the 21-year-old Fiorentina striker wants £200,000 a week. Vlahovic is a very young and talented footballer but he seems to have overestimated himself. What do you think?
Despite numerous rumours about Newcastle's January plans, head coach Eddie Howe says the side must be "realistic" about its options in the transfer window. Does that mean Newcastle is giving up on big plans to bring in a lot of new and promising footballers in the January transfer window? How this will affect their results?
Liverpool are interested in West Ham forward Jarrod Bowen, 25, and Leeds' Brazilian winger Raphinha, 25. Which of them has a better chance of coming to LIverpool?
After spending £150m in the summer, Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta will be investing more in the January transfer window. Arsenal seem to have big plans again. The real question is which of the new players they will bring in January?

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/59793565

I agree with you, it is obvious that new rules and exceptions are being invented solely to allow one tennis player, Djokovic, to play in Australia.
The real question, which no one has asked so far is the following:
If it was any other, less important tennis player, would such exceptions to the strict Covid rules be made for him or her?
I think everyone knows the answer to this question and that is why the Australian Tennis Federation has lost all credibility.
One can even speak openly about nepotism and corruption in tennis because of this case, and the wrong message is being sent to other tennis players, who respect the Covid rules and have been vaccinated.

I agree that this is a great idea, but I don't think it's enough to just give someone a bitcoin and create a wallet.
That friend needs to be taught how crypto works and also explain the importance of patience and waiting.
If he hears that the price of bitcoin has dropped and he sell everything in a panic, then we haven't really helped him much and he will probably never return to the crypto world.
In fact, I don't think this kind of gift is for everyone.

Na žalost, nisam se ''zabunio'' iako bih volio da jesam
To pitanje sam već postavio poreznoj, i odgovor sam podijelio u ovom topicu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5331847.0
Da ne prenosim sada cijeli odgovor porezne koji sam dobio, ovo je najvažniji dio:
''Kriptovalute koje su stečene rudarenjem, reklamiranjem ili na druge načine smatraju se drugim dohotkom u trenutku stjecanja.
Stečene kriptovalute (bez obzira na način stjecanja) zatim se otuđuju nakon određenog vremena i oporezuju ako je prošlo manje od 2 godine od dana stjecanja (čl. 67. st. 8. Zakona o porezu na dohodak.''

A da ne bi bilo nejasnoća što to zapravo znači, pomogli su naši stručnjaci Domchi i Nenad65 pa evo prevedeno sa birokratskog na normalni jezk što ova formulacija iz odgovora porezne zapravo znači:

Dakle, iz navedenog je zapravo jasno da u trenutku stjecanja bilo koje kriptoimovine, btc, NFT, nevažno, moraš to prijaviti poreznoj i platiti poreznoj porez na drugi dohodak od 20 %, prirez te zdravstveno bez obzira što još nisi prodao taj NFT i nemaš dobit.
Stekao si neku imovinu i država te preko porezne tjera da odmah u roku od 15 dana platiš porez na to, bez obzira što to nisi prodao i nemaš zaradu već samo posjeduješ.
Ako poslije ne budeš mogao ostvariti dobitak od toga i izgubiš, onda to poreznoj iduće godine prijaviš kao gubitak pa bi ti porez trebao bit manji, ali to je bolje zamoliti poreznog stručnjaka za pomoć.
Na žalost je tako.

A čuj, bolje itko nego nitko, kako se kaže 
Da nema ''entuzijasta'' poput tebe, komotno bih mogao zatvoriti ovu temu.
Dodijelio sam ti i merite za tvoj trud i korisnu informaciju, koja će vjerojatno pomoći nekome.
Ovaj put sam čak uspio odgovoriti u pravom topicu 
Ima li još tko zainteresiran, da ima nešto korisno podijeliti s drugima, i biti nagrađen za svoj trud?

Transfer rumours:

Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola will save the money from the sale of 21-year-old Spain forward Ferran Torres, who is set to join Barcelona in a deal worth up to £55m, to help finance a summer move for Borussia Dortmund and Norway striker Erling Braut Haaland, 21. This seems like a very good plan for Manchester City but will it work?
France winger Ousmane Dembele, 24, has agreed to a new five-year contract with Barcelona, on reduced terms, and will sign the deal next week. So Dembele has agreed to a lower salary and remains at the club with serious organizational and financial problems. Is this a good or bad decision?
Six Championship clubs - Bournemouth, Fulham, Huddersfield Town, Nottingham Forest, Stoke City and West Brom - have contacted Aston Villa about signing 23-year-old English striker Keinan Davis in January. A lot of clubs want Keinan Davis but who will manage to bring him? 
Newcastle United boss Eddie Howe says he will not let any of his fringe players, including English striker Dwight Gayle, 32, and Republic of Ireland midfielder Jeff Hendrick, 29, leave on loan in January because of his side's small squad. A reasonable and expected decision, but which players the club will eventually manage to bring?

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/59775268

Current tennis news:
''Australian Open organisers are still unsure if defending men's champion Novak Djokovic will play at next month's Grand Slam.''
"If Novak shows up, he'll be vaccinated or have a medical exemption," said tournament director Craig Tiley.''
''Tiley said "a small percentage" of unvaccinated players and staff would be granted medical exemptions. He said he was not aware of any players informing organisers they had an exemption.''
Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/59745818

It seems to me that everything is going according to the expected scenario that Djokovic will still perform in Australia based on a medical exception.  What do you think?

''Andy Murray has been given a wildcard for the main draw of the Australian Open in January.
The 34-year-old Briton missed the 2021 tournament after he was not allowed to travel to Melbourne following a positive test for coronavirus.
Tournament director Craig Tiley added: "Andy is renowned for his fighting spirit, passion and love of the game and I'm delighted to welcome him back to Melbourne in January."

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/59770652

I believe that many sincere tennis fans will welcome this decision and the opportunity to watch his performance in Australia once again.

As for Peng Shuai, she actually suffered great and irreparable damage and her tennis career is probably ruined, during which she was the best tennis player in the world in doubles.
Obviously, the Chinese state has sided with the abuser and not the victim, and that is a message for other women in Chinese society.
The message is that if a powerful person rapes you, you better keep quiet and obey, or the state will force you to remain silent and punish you if necessary.
I feel sorry for that woman who was a very good tennis player and now her life has completely changed, and everyone will remember her for this case and not for her great tennis career.
Given all that has happened, the question is whether she will ever be able to return to a normal life and continue her successful tennis career.

According to this news, it seems that Tottenham are more worried about the lost earnings due to expulsion from this competition than the administrative decision of UEFA to prevent them from further participation in this competition:

Tottenham consider legal route after being thrown out of Europe over forfeited Covid-hit Rennes match
Spurs not planning to appeal Uefa decision to give Rennes 3-0 win - in turn eliminating them - but may seek advice on potential lost revenue
Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/12/20/tottenham-thrown-europe-uefa-decide-covid-hit-rennes-game-should/

In fact, this is to be expected. English clubs have a very busy schedule in the English Championship and let's be honest, the UEFA Europa Conference League is not a very attractive competition, especially when compared to the Champions League.
It seems to me that Tottenham would be happiest if this story was forgotten as soon as possible, and that UEFA give them some monetary compensation for lost revenue.
After all, it all comes down to money, right? 

I think it will be very important when the first goal will be scored and who will score it.
PSG has a problem with three superstars, Neymar, Mbappe and Messi, who do not like to play defense and do not help enough in defense during the match.
In matches against weaker teams in the French championship it is not so important and PSG wins on the basis of individual quality, but because of that PSG has serious problems in matches against top teams, such as Manchester City in the Champions League group.
Because of this I think that Real has a better chance of winning their match, because Real plays more as a team.

I wish all the members of this forum a Merry Christmas and that all your wishes and plans come true 
Because of Covid we are all going through a difficult period, our personal freedoms are limited, we can't travel and socialize as before, but I believe that will end soon.
In the meantime, I wish you good luck and success in the crupto market, and may this be your path to a better and happier future 
I sincerely believe that we have all come to the right place at the right time and that we all have many happy days ahead in the future based on our faith in crypto today. 

Thank you once again for your great work Rikafip and a very interesting analysis of the forum.
Unfortunately, I see that long-term trends are not changing, and that activity on the forum is continuously declining every month.
I have to admit that I also write less on the forum than before because I have less time but there are also less interesting discussions that would inspire me to participate.
I think that this is also a generational difference, and that older members prefer this way of Internet communication and younger members prefer telegram groups, social networks etc.

Ono što se meni u cijeloj toj priči porezne najmanje sviđa je činjenica da moraš prijavljivati i plaćati porez u kunama, fiat valuti, na nešto što je daleko od toga da možeš nazvati pravom zaradom u kešu.
Ukratko, država je jako dvosmislena što se tiče definicije kriptovaluta i kažu da to i nije pravi novac ali kada im to odgovara, kao kod plaćanja poreza, onda to ipak smatraju nekakvim novcem i zaradom i traže da to prijaviš kao dobit i platiš porez.
A što ti zapravo možeš napraviti sa svojim NFT?
Koliku on praktičnu, upotrebnu vrijednost ima?
Porezna svejedno očekuje da prvo od svog vlastitog fiat novca platiš porez na taj NFT, dok još od njega nemaš nikakve zarade, a onda ako ispadne da od toga NFT nemaš ništa, moraš se ponovno javljati poreznoj, prijavljivati porezni gubitak i čekati da ti to porezna prihvati i smanji ti poreznu obvezu u idućem razdoblju?
Mislim da 99,9 % ljudi jednostavno neće imati živaca i mazohizam da kroz to prolaze.

Zanimljivo mi je bilo pratiti ovu raspravu i ideje o ulaganjima u lego kockice. Ne bih se nikada toga sjetio 
Inače, ja se držim savjeta kojeg sam dobio još prije više godina, da je naravno diversifikacija ulaganja važna ali da je prava diversifikacija zapravo ulaganje u različite klase ili vrste imovine.
Znači, ako ostvariš neku extra zaradu od kripto ulaganja, pametno bi bilo reinvestirati barem dio zarade u nešto drugo, što nema veze sa kriptom.
Može to biti zlato, lego kockice, možda nekretnine, investicijski fondovi i sl.
Ja sam ove godine slučajno bio na webinaru jedne naše domaće, vrlo ugledne burzovne firme u kojoj su predstavili mogućnost ulaganja u jedan domaći start up, koji ulaže u novu tehnologiju, a strateški plan je da oko 2024 ili 2025 nađe strateškog partnera ili preko IPO izađe na burzu.
Procjena je da će tada investicija vrijediti 20 puta više, što je povrat koji se više ni u kripti ne događa često i svaki dan, a također treba znati pogoditi i prepoznati pravi projekt.
S obzirom da ne očekujem da će btc do 2024 narasti 20 puta, odlučio sam jedan manji dio svojih btc uložiti u ovaj projekt i napraviti diversifikaciju.
2024 ćemo vidjeti da li mi je procjena bila dobra. 

Švedska je jako specifična zemlja, u kojoj je gotov novac praktički nestao iz opticaja i kartice se koriste svugdje za plaćanje.
Ljudi su prihvatili bezgotovinsko plaćanje kao standard i kad imaš takvu osviještenost ljudi, tada je prelazak na digitalnu valutu slijedeći logičan korak.
Stanovništvo u većini drugih zemalja EU (pogotovo starije) bi teže prihvatilo prelazak na digitalnu valutu i sigurno da će trebati duže vrijeme da se to dogodi.
Ipak, ovo što oni spominju, da se na svaki euro uložen može očekivati potencijalni profit od 4802 eura, mislim da sam to negdje pročitao na netu odmah bi zaključio da je prevara i pobjegao od toga.
Ipak, ako švedska država stoji iza tog projekta, i daje neke garancije, onda se ovo čini kao potencijalno vrlo zanimljiv projekt (uz potencijalni oprez zbog visokog rizika, naravno) 

Pa to bi onda stvarno bilo ludilo i novogodišnja zabava za cijeli forum 
A možda to i DarkStar riješi bez previše buke i galame, i sam nađe prikladnog kandidata i pošalje mu poruku
Inače, mislim da će se i u mojoj kampanji, možda već danas, otvoriti 1 slobodno mjesto.
Naime, korisnik arwin100 već 2 tjedna nije ispunio kvotu postova, u ovom tjednu nema nijedan post i ima 2 zvjezdice kraj svojeg imena.
Mislim da će Hhampuz uskoro tražiti novog člana kampanje.
Uvjeti nisu zahtjevni, 20 postova tjedno, od toga 5 u gamblngu, lokalni postovi se priznaju...

I wouldn't agree with you.
First of all, this case is completely covered up in China and is not mentioned in public at all.
Even any trace of this news has been deleted on the Internet.
After announcing this news that she was raped, the Chinese tennis player disappeared from the public, and the news was deleted within a few hours.
Only after great international pressure, and the threat of international sports organizations to cancel sports competitions in China, the Chinese tennis player finally appeared in public but there is still a suspicion that she is free to do or say what she wants.
Many people make the mistake of assuming that Western democratic standards apply in China as well.
In fact, there is no real freedom in China and the Chinese Communist Party decides everything.
From their point of view, the Chinese tennis player has damaged the country's reputation and must be punished for that.
Even the cancellation of tennis tournaments in China will not change anything in such Chinese politics, where the interests of the nation are always more important than the interests of the individual.
Peng Shuai has accused a member of the Chinese party leadership of raping her, damaging the country's reputation and I personally do not believe she will ever be able to leave the country or play tennis again.

I would not really say that the national teams are not interested in this competition and that they are not trying hard enough.
After all, through this competition, teams can fight to participate in the European Championship, as far as I remember, so there is certainly enough sports motivation.
I think the problem is that this is a completely new competition, without tradition, to which fans and players are not yet accustomed enough.
In terms of importance, this competition is certainly behind the European and World Championships.
In the end, the players are already exhausted and tired due to numerous perfomances at club competitions, plus representative matches for the European and World Cups, and find it difficult to motivate themselves for another additional competition that was invented solely for UEFA earnings.

The big tennis scandal with Chinese tennis player Peng Shuai and her accusations that a prominent Chinese politician raped her still seems to be unresolved.

''Chinese tennis star Peng Shuai has denied making an accusation of sexual assault, in her first media interview since alleging a top Chinese leader had coerced her to have sex.''
''In her original note, which was posted on the Chinese social media platform Weibo in November, she accused former Vice-Premier Zhang Gaoli of forcing her to have sex with him.''
''"We remain steadfast in our call for a full, fair and transparent investigation… into her allegation of sexual assault, which is the issue that gave rise to our initial concern," the WTA said.''
''The WTA has suspended all of its tournaments in China over the issue, putting pressure on the IOC and other sporting groups to take similar actions. They have declined to do so.''

This has already become a great tennis story involving sports, politics and the whole country.
Will the real truth ever be found out and what will happen to this tennis player?
Because of this affair, the WTA has already punished China and suspended all tennis tournaments in China.
Many tennis players like Djokovic, Serena and others gave their support to Peng Shuai and asked for the truth to be established.
What do you think?

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59723676

The Spanish championship is a very difficult and long competition and I don't think Real can relax too much and think that everything is under control.
After all, Sevilla are very close to Real and it seems that they will be the main competitors for the title.
As for the Champions League, I personally don’t think Real is the main favorite to win this competition.
I give Manchester City, Bayern, Liverpool and PSG more chances.