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2081  Other / Off-topic / Re: Posts about Bitcoin deleted and got the tag of a crazy person! on: November 05, 2012, 08:11:24 PM
If you want to avoid being banned from forums, you sometimes need to take a more subtle approach to promoting bitcoin. Dont use the word "bitcoin" in the thread title, use "virtual currency" instead. Then put a link to some press article describing how bitcoin is being used in similar situations to the one you are suggesting. Include a long quote from the press article that describes how bitcoin is being used.

The article will mention bitcoin and its properties, so you wont have to. This avoids giving the appearance that you are promoting bitcoin.

That's just propaganda, and is unnecessary.  Bitcoin doesn't need any promotion.  If it did, it would eventually fail.  Just let it take it's own course, and if others don't wish to hear it; just dust of your sandals and move on.
2082  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin major fail - doesn't allow credit creation (aka deflationary currency) on: November 04, 2012, 05:19:45 PM

why?

Because it will help production companies to create more/better goods and services that are required by a growing population and/or more competitive business landscape. Already sparred on the subject. Are you asking this because you think growth is bad?


He asked it to make you rethink your perspectives.  Your understanding of the role of credit is somewhat skewed.  Not really wrong, but disconnected.  It's not credit or liquidity that leads to the outcome that you seem to believe above, it's reallocation of real capital that can occur using credit as a tool.  This is not a certain outcome, as it's subject to the errors of investment and adds another; namely the possibility of mis-allocation of capital.  If you want to understand why bitcoin is the way it is, one must understand Austrian Economic theory.  If Austrian Economic theory is wrong, Bitcoin will fail.  If Austrian Economic theory is correct (or more accurate than other theories) Bitcoin will persist and likely continue to grow.  Even that isn't certain.
2083  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTB] 0.4 Bitcoins for 4.48 USD PayPal on: November 04, 2012, 01:27:49 PM
It seems to me, more and more, that quick trades with trusted peers is the only reason I still end up using my old paypal account.

Here's to the day that I can safely close that account altogether.
2084  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTB] 0.4 Bitcoins for 4.48 USD PayPal on: November 04, 2012, 01:16:02 PM
0.4 BTC has been sent to that address.
2085  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTB] 0.4 Bitcoins for 4.48 USD PayPal on: November 04, 2012, 01:10:39 PM
you have a deal
2086  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What Are The Best Ways To Launder/Mix/Clean/Anonymize Your Bitcoins? on: November 04, 2012, 12:56:34 PM
There is credible evidence that there are about as many nodes in the dark as there are in the light.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I've tried Tor and I2P and poked around a bit in the "pseudo-TLD" sites (.onion and .i2p). I didn't see much of i2p because everything seemed to be missing. As for Tor, it has some neat stuff going on but in a way it feels to me like a ghost town. Maybe I'm just getting a weird view on it. However, I wouldn't imagine that the dark net is the same size as the regular web.

Have I misunderstood what you were saying?

Yes, I was referring to the number of persistent bitcoin nodes on TOR versus the number of persistent number of nodes visable on the open Internet. If you have the skills, you could set up a bitcoin client to only connect to other nodes via TOR.  I wouldn't be surprised to discover that there is a .onion address for a major online wallet service, or a wallet service entirely within TOR.
2087  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What Are The Best Ways To Launder/Mix/Clean/Anonymize Your Bitcoins? on: November 04, 2012, 04:26:45 AM
... install TOR as a service and then enable SOCKSv5 in your client to use localhost:9050.

That's clever! If I understand you correctly, you're saying that the Bitcoin client can run through Tor and hop through a bunch of hoops before landing in Bitcoinland?

(Is there a better word than "Bitcoinland" to describe the legions of Bitcoin service providers?)

Yes, Bitcoin can surf the dark web. There is credible evidence that there are about as many nodes in the dark as there are in the light.
2088  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What Are The Best Ways To Launder/Mix/Clean/Anonymize Your Bitcoins? on: November 04, 2012, 02:22:55 AM
What are some good free ways to Launder/Mix/Anonymize/clean  your bitcoins?

I suggest Tide.
2089  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Church of Satoshi and Latter Day Coins on: November 04, 2012, 01:59:44 AM
The Gavin is pope?

Would Bruce I be considered an earlier Pope before he self-excommunicated himself, leaving the fold with his beloved and spending a well-deserved holiday in Pattaya, whereupon they exercised lads via an unsanctioned gospel, preaching the three-pronged anti-missionary approach?

Bruce was a heratic. 
2090  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Another one for the "anarchists" on: November 03, 2012, 11:13:57 PM
Live in anarchy and want some power?

1. Organize a terror attack.
2. People are scared and demand more security.
3. Offer yourself as solution.
4. Huh
5. Profit!

History endlessly repeating.

Your missing item 4 there:

4. Get rid of all the competition, especially those that get close to figuring out you're the one that did #1.

Essentially, you'll need to be a government (monopoly on the use of force) for your little plan to work. Fun fact: That's exactly how governments do it.

Well, that's not entirely true.  Historicly speaking #1 didn't actually have to occur, one just had to convince enough people that it could occur.
2091  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTB] good, used pocketknives on: November 03, 2012, 11:10:29 PM
Best place to buy pocket knives is Airport auctions they have BINS AND BINS of them.

I wouldn't even know how to do that.

I'm also not sure that I could do it anyway, considering I'd be buying stolen property.

Confiscated not stolen Smiley

Yes, stolen.  That's what I said.

Oh, wait.  Did you think that there was a difference?
2092  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Church of Satoshi and Latter Day Coins on: November 03, 2012, 08:05:53 PM
Before this goes further, can we just establish that there will be no dietary restrictions? Because if you try and make me give up bacon, I WILL switch to Litecoin. Oh, and we need more holidays. Getting to use one "diversity holiday" to miss work every four years for Halving Day just isn't gonna cut it. 

Pizza Day?
2093  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Is there a REAL guide for starting from the PRINCIPLES? on: November 03, 2012, 07:01:43 PM
it's hard for me to 'grok' concepts unless I start from the bottom. But I consider myself disabled in anyway.

You mean that you need to understand why you're doing particular things rather than just following a recipie, and I can relate.  However, I actually some background in cryptology and economics; and it took me weeks to wrap my brain around Bitcoin's elegant protocol.  I think that he's right, you might not have the technical background to understand from "first principles".

When I say principles I'm not talking about physics/electrical engineering. I have been doing computer programming for many years so I feel I'm competent enough. For example computers can be explained from first principal to user-facing apps in a handful of pages and still get the reader to comfort level where he can start creating apps.

Well, I'm not a programmer myself but understand computers and how they function to that level.  Particularly with regard to GNU/Linux from the kernal, posix commandline tools, to Xservers, to window managers up to the GUI suites.  I question whether either the cryptographic functions, nor the economic theories, that Bitcoin is based upon could be explained in a handful of pages.  Everything seems simple enough, once you're on this side of the enigma, but this is not a topic that many people can ever understand.  Satoshi was a polymath.
2094  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could declaring Bitcoin a religion protect it from Finacial Regulation? on: November 03, 2012, 06:56:35 PM
I doubt it would matter in the least, but go ahead.  Crazier things have been done.
2095  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Church of Satoshi and Latter Day Coins on: November 03, 2012, 06:52:18 PM

Well, not sainted, but in the thread a couple years back wherein many of us were discussing what the denominations of BTC shoudl be called; I (yes, I personally) suggested that we should name them after the most important people in the movement at that time, starting with the most important person lending his name to the smallest demonomation.  Like how the US bills have Geoprge WAshington on the $1, Thomas Jefferson on the $2 bill, etc.  I'm the first person (I think; but the recodrds of this forum would know) to suggest that the smallest BTC denom (0.00000001) be called a Satoshi and the next significant order of  magnitude (three decimal places, or 0.00001) be called a Gavin.  Satoshis stuck, and have been used by both membership of this forum an a number of articles; but it seems that Gavins didn't stick, as I've never seen the term used in print/text since.

I suspect that's because he's still around. For some reason names stick better once the person is actually gone and can't mess up any longer.

But "Satoshi" does have a nice mythical ring to it already. And if I'm correct although it kinda sounds japanese to westerners, isn't it not actually a Japanese word? It would be funny if it turned out to be an anagram in some language.


Satoshi is a fairly common Japanese male name.  That doesn't preclude the possibility that it's an anagram.

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Satoshi is gone, and I doubt even if he could prove himself (some message in the block chain?) many people would not care and would prefer the mythical Satoshi (Which if he is still alive, i suspect he is aware of himself).


1) Satoshi isn't actually gone.

2) He could definately prove himself, if he cared to, simply by openly signing documents with one of the first 10 bloack reward addresses; particlularly the genesis block address.

3) Satoshi is still al*** and...

4) he'll definately be aware of it the next time he does a search on this forum for his old nomDePlume, thanks to you.
2096  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Is there a REAL guide for starting from the PRINCIPLES? on: November 03, 2012, 06:44:41 PM
it's hard for me to 'grok' concepts unless I start from the bottom. But I consider myself disabled in anyway.

You mean that you need to understand why you're doing particular things rather than just following a recipie, and I can relate.  However, I actually some background in cryptology and economics; and it took me weeks to wrap my brain around Bitcoin's elegant protocol.  I think that he's right, you might not have the technical background to understand from "first principles".
2097  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Is there a REAL guide for starting from the PRINCIPLES? on: November 03, 2012, 06:39:31 PM
Shame I'm willing to pay for a decent ebook.


Well, you do have a point.  So once you know what you need to know, write that ebook.
2098  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Another one for the "anarchists" on: November 03, 2012, 06:35:39 PM
Every government is run by sociopaths, it's what they are good at.  Fortunately it's fairly rare that intelligent sociopaths are also homicidal.  This is, notably, an argument for the abolution or severe limitations of governments; since it's impossible for a homicidal sociopath to take the reigns of power in a nation that doesn't have any reigns.

Welcome to the fold?



I said it's an argument, not that it's my last excuse.
2099  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Church of Satoshi and Latter Day Coins on: November 03, 2012, 06:32:20 PM
The Gavin is pope?

Undoubtably. Although perhaps he's more like St. Peter, although I guess since he's still alive he can't be Sanctified yet. So yes, I guess that makes him Pope.

So you want to canonize his dead body?
Go tell him.

I suspect that would seriously weird him out. :-)

But I'm sure the thought of being a "Pope" to this new movement has occurred to him. He is obviously a smart man, I'm sure this thought has occurred to him as has the thought of what place in history he will occupy if Bitcoin succeeds and endures for thousands of years. It is quite possible it is not a minor thing that is happening here on these message boards.


Well, not sainted, but in the thread a couple years back wherein many of us were discussing what the denominations of BTC shoudl be called; I (yes, I personally) suggested that we should name them after the most important people in the movement at that time, starting with the most important person lending his name to the smallest demonomation.  Like how the US bills have Geoprge WAshington on the $1, Thomas Jefferson on the $2 bill, etc.  I'm the first person (I think; but the recodrds of this forum would know) to suggest that the smallest BTC denom (0.00000001) be called a Satoshi and the next significant order of  magnitude (three decimal places, or 0.00001) be called a Gavin.  Satoshis stuck, and have been used by both membership of this forum an a number of articles; but it seems that Gavins didn't stick, as I've never seen the term used in print/text since.
2100  Other / Off-topic / Re: Posts about Bitcoin deleted and got the tag of a crazy person! on: November 03, 2012, 06:23:31 PM
When the economy collapses again and I'm predicting a collapse of the whole EU at this point, you'll see people looking for an alternative and they'll most likely come to Bitcoin like I have to diversify, just don't be pushy and it'll be fine.

Already happening, as far as I can tell.
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