<^_^> foreigndearia: my thoughts are roughly: please let people organize it by themselves .. the most important advantage of Bitcoin is the fact that it's decentralized and people can do as they like, so please don't force people into a regional or language-based separation, but let them organize as they want
<foreigndearia> phedny, So, basically only account for the existing channels and do not take initiative (and relatedly stifly potential creativity) by continuing the patternistic naming scheme for other channels instead allowing other existences to take that opportunity themselves (and also potentially use creativity to allow for slight derivatives or alternatives? ^_^
<^_^> foreigndearia: almost.. but basically, just don't interfere with the process.. you may start your own channel and if people like it they'll join
<^_^> anyway, this channel is meant for Dutch speaking people, so I'd prefer this conversation to be continued in Dutch
<^_^> for international topics people that want to also are in other channels It makes more sense to establish communities surrounding languages instead of regions, hence the desire to communicate in Dutch and not English. |
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I can verify the whole thing, because I set it up  Today was the general press release that Free State Project is now accepting BTC, and next weekend we'll be doing the mega bitcoin blast to the roughly 15k mailing list subscribers. Roger Ver of Memory Dealers donated the funds for this (he's such a rockstar), and BTCinch has been amazingly helpful in building their ewallet/merchant/email system. The registration for Liberty Forum is now open as of today, and within a couple days attendees will be able to purchase their ticket with Bitcoin. Thereafter, essentially everything that FSP offers (from online store to event registrations) will be accepting Bitcoin. If you are outside the US you can sign up as a "friend of the FSP". While I would love to move there its just not physically possible. Anything is possible. Think positive. See http://is.gd/VqJnZu or http://zombo.com/ |
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lodcrappo, see my revised reply above.
ok, since you asked.. "Any suggestions?" Yes: Let IRC channels define themselves organically and dynamically, as they have in the past. Create none. Participate in many. Okay. Then what about the 90% of the people that did not realize there are others in their country that participate in bitcoin community that they could eventually become aware of maybe if ever. Perhaps in this instance of reality I am doing more harm than not by helping to introduce such awareness earlier than later (of course this excludes individuals which have become aware of such communities prior to my opportunity to introduce them, in which since they already know, no need to mention it to them) Perhaps this awareness of others in locality (whether through self-efforts or efforts initiated by others) is unnecessary? Perhaps this effort established by me is similar to other symbolic efforts previously such as considering radio, tv, Internet? e.g. Google helps to spread awareness of existence of communities, resources. Although, in the case of Google, people go to Google, Google doesn't go to people. But again, in the case of Google, how did people hear about Google? Through word of mouth? Perhaps my effort is similar to word of mouth in which I, as an individual, am mouthly wording existence of the communities (as well as helping to organize their existence for countries which yet do not have an established organized community)? ^_^ Am I getting trolled/trolling? |
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lodcrappo, see my revised reply above.
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So you've decided the way to promote a global currency, possibly the first with true potential to break through traditional economic/ethnic divisions, is to divide everyone in little separate groups based on.. these same borders (mostly)? And you're going to do this using a medium (IRC) which is also global and communal by design, until will apply your scheme to it, then it becomes segmented and divided and just plain silly.
This will fail.
Time to step back and rethink. A project in country X will have many ideas and experiences useful to a project in country Y. Creating divisions along political borders just because... politic borders exist i guess? is not going to help bitcoin.
that'll be $0.02
Not quite. Even prior to my initiative there were 10+ foreign bitcoin channels. I decided to help better establish closer-knit country-based communities for the same purpose. However, these communities (on IRC) are not retricted to the close-knit country-specific IRC chans. They can easily join the global bitcoin communities on IRC (See https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/IRC_channels) as well. Calm down their buddy, one world changing revolution at a time. First we change the money, then we can eliminate those invisible lines that divide us all. IRC is an established way for people to communicate instantly, regions help organize language barriers, I'm not seeing this as negatively as you at all.
Yep. Most of these foreign channels the dominant language used is nonEnglish. It would be overwhelmingly distracting if, for example, #bitcoin channel were a mix of 50+ languages. Even when country A does something differently than county B, there is a very high likelihood of country C,D,E,F,G doing what A does and H,I,J,K,L,etc doing what B does. This is a good point. If countries US, MX, JP, BY, KZ all agree upon ideaA, ideaB and ideaC and countries US, KZ, MA, PK, CL and IT all agree upon ideaB, ideaC and ideaD, then it makes sense to create separate channels for ideaA, ideaB, ideaC, ideaD instead of for specific countries, since each of these ideas can account for one or more countries and therefore reduce the amount of distinct communities exist (unless, of course, there are more ideas than countries). So, I can alter this country-based effort to instead make use of some other sort of classification to better distinguish or categorize groups of communities to better serve the very same people behind these communities, buuuuuuuuuuuuuut, I first must know what method of classification to rely upon and also I must be aware of all possible values to use to label them appropriately. Any suggestions? However, do keep in mind that this may prevent the ability for communities to rely on alternate languages to communicate with one another as there may be people in each of these communities that do not understand one other. |
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btw, I just modified a few words in my post. You're welcome to review them. me too! I have a horrible habit of editing everything I say after the fact when I realize there was a better way of saying it. People always call me on it and claim I'm trying to deceive LOL. Yeah. I most always revise my posts after publishing them, rarely ever using preview function. Clearly this should be obvious, otherwise, how would I be able to quote you before you even posted? Oh, right, I'm psychic! |
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I agree that posting a link to a particular historical issue/problem does not fix, resolve or solve the issue/problem. However, glancing at that thread which is started July 12th I recall that http://intersango.com/ at that time was running Intersango v1 (written from scratch by genjix) that implemented OpenID login mechanism. Glancing at http://intersango.com/ now I no longer see OpenID login mechanism and the site is now using Intersango v2 (rewritten from scratch by phantomcircuit). I presume the particular 'hack' or 'exploit' which is regarded as the 'problem' reliant on OpenID is no longer functional considering the lack of OpenID implementation. Therefore, reliance on a particular reference or link to forum thread as a resoluton of said problem seems a bit strange to suggest considering the problem seemingly no longer exists. Just my two cents. |
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hummmm...... I can add these exchanges to http://bitcoinmarkets.com/ project if any of them provide json api for ticker, depth/orderbook and trade history. ^_^ |
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Also, if you use Freenode IRC network, you can see real-time trade data for all bitcoin markets in #bitcoin-markets - Do NOT join these channels. If you do, you will be an 'annoying asshole' just liek me (see reply below) - boo drama-induced style of discussions I appended to this reply instead of creating a new reply so as to be less 'annoying asshole.' Ok dude, now you are being a annoying asshole. Advertising is fine. Advertising all the time, in several places that do not belong to you, including competing channels, and topics opened by competitors of your product, is not fine. huh? o_X competing channels? (maybe this forum thread is a competing channel?) x_O product? maybe service? For the sake of full disclosure, I grepped all of my IRC logs (even across dozens of IRC networks other than freenode) for all instances of "bitcoin-markets" to see where I (or anyone else) has 'advertised' them. The channels that I mentioned the channel on are (all freenode): #bitcoin, #bitcoin-anarchy, #bitcoin-ar, #bitcoin-aus, #bitcoin-br, #bitcoin-cake, #bitcoin-economics, #bitcoin-otc, #bitcoin-otc-foyer, #bitcoinica, #freenode, #mtgox, #solidcoin, #witcoin The channels that sYN4P515 mentioned the channel on are (all freenode): #bitcoin-otc-ru, #mtgoxlive Other than #mtgoxlive (which I am not responsible for posting in), I do not see any 'competing channels.' Therefore I presume it is safe to indicate that speeder's claim of "including competing channels" is biased/misleading/misinformation. Also, I have received a bit more concern over https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47057 as being annoying in which ~10% of the people I have helped spread awareness to were retaliatory/annoyed whilst the remaining ~90% were appreciative/thankful due to not realizing there was bitcoin community for their country. |
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tenebrix miner --url URL
URL for bitcoin JSON-RPC server (default: http://127.0.0.1:8332/) Maybe it should be 7777? $ ./minerd --user 1 --pass 1 --url "http://127.0.0.1:7777/"
[2011-10-08 00:17:02] Binding thread 0 to cpu 0
[2011-10-08 00:17:03] Binding thread 1 to cpu 1
[2011-10-08 00:17:04] Binding thread 2 to cpu 2
[2011-10-08 00:17:05] Binding thread 3 to cpu 3
[2011-10-08 00:17:06] 4 miner threads started, using SHA256 'scrypt' algorithm.
[2011-10-08 00:18:03] HTTP request failed: Empty reply from server
[2011-10-08 00:18:03] json_rpc_call failed, retry after 30 seconds
^C
tenebrix@bitcoindearia ~/bin $ nmap -p 7777 127.0.0.1
Starting Nmap 5.51 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2011-10-08 00:19 CDT
mass_dns: warning: Unable to determine any DNS servers. Reverse DNS is disabled. Try using --system-dns or specify valid servers with --dns-servers
Nmap scan report for localhost (127.0.0.1)
Host is up (0.000044s latency).
PORT STATE SERVICE
7777/tcp open cbt
Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.03 seconds
Same issue as https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45667.msg545153#msg545153Ah https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45667.msg545449#msg545449Instead of 7777 must be 8697 |
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tenebrix@bitcoindearia ~/bin $ ./tenebrix
bitcoin server starting
Segmentation fault
tenebrix@bitcoindearia ~/bin $ [xcb] Unknown sequence number while processing queue
[xcb] Most likely this is a multi-threaded client and XInitThreads has not been called
[xcb] Aborting, sorry about that.
tenebrix: /var/tmp/portage/x11-libs/libX11-1.4.4/work/libX11-1.4.4/src/xcb_io.c:273: poll_for_event: Assertion `!xcb_xlib_threads_sequence_lost' failed.
Otherwise daemon works nicely. |
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You're trying to build the gui client, for the daemon... make bitcoind and the bitcoin wx gui always needed wx 2.9 ... heh, right! I completely forgot to specify bitcoin (or in this case bitcoind) Perhaps the makefile for the daemon can default to bitcoind instead of bitcoin? And maybe change them to tenebrix and tenebrixd? |
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