I'm an independent. Science facts are not partisan, they are global, they are Universal. There is a crisis looming on the horizon. It's only partisan politics that don't allow you to see it. The history books will have to settle this one, unfortunately.

I don't know how CFL bulbs were dragged into this but it was never obvious. LED bulbs have come a very long way. I'm a flashlight fanatic, trust me I know. Those CFLs played a crucial role and saved tons of energy from being wasted. They had their place and now they're being phased out.

I'm confident that I can debunk anything you throw at me but we've had that discussion.

You follow dogma on faith, I understand the science in question to the best of my ability. You're gonna bring up ridiculous conspiracies. This is all a big joke to you, a troll job, not a serious discusssion. You have your villains (the democrats and the scientists) and your heroes (your conspiracy theorists and pseudointellectuals).

This isn't really the topic here. It is however interesting that me pointing the flaws of the Democrats, that y'all like. Me pointing out the flaws of Trump and your conspiracy theories I get dismissed with things like "Oh wow, more orange man bad".... Well, that doesn't change the facts.

If climate denying republicans slide any further soon they'll start slinging their own shit at the keyboard and they'll short circuit their electronics and I won't have to read any more of this drivel. But sure as hell they'll vote in Trump for another round.


P.S. Yes, the democratic party would do better for the environment, but doing better and doing enough is not the same thing. Bernie Sanders could convince me that he'd take this seriously, all the others it's just empty rhetoric.

Bernie did do a lot of good things for Burlington when he was mayor. With a lot of difficulty especially at the beginning. He'd do the same for the entire country if the primaries went differently and he managed to get elected.

Since you have my quote above, why are you misrepresenting what I wrote?
I didn't write that people who sell in bear markets are clowns. People who make stupid decisions and then don't believe in bitcoin anymore because of those decisions are clowns. I don't want to repeat myself you can just re-read my quote.

Person who believes in bitcoin during a rally from 15,000 to 30,000 and then doesn't when the price drops back to 10,000 is a clown. We in this community should know that this is a likely scenario.

But the greedy idiots who buy during a rally and don't understand the risks of speculation, regression to the mean and the volatility of bitcoin, the people who only believe in bitcoin when the price goes up, who disappear the moment the price drops and they have no paper profits to show, these people are clowns. They are clowns.

Their desperation and predictable stories of loss I could do without. Like if someone sold their house during an all time high and bought into bitcoin and then sold at a 50% loss 2 years later, that person is a clown.

Price spikes price drops..... You don't gamble all your money by speculating using bitcoin. I mean if the price went to 25,000 next month, I would expect it to drop again, and maybe have that as a bottom in another ten years if the market seems to stabilize.

Bitcoin itself is a tool, it's not a magic thing that will insure your financial stability.

Living under a decent government and being politically engaged. Having a source of income, living within your means and in a stable part of the world, those insure your financial stability.

You can't expect bitcoin to carry you upwards into the magical land of never having to work another day in your life and not having to care about anything. Bitcoin isn't the fix with everything that is wrong in the world.

It can improve it. It can give us back the power to decide what our money should be and that our money will not be debased by the bankers, that it will not be printed and given to the rich.

It cannot hodl our hand and jerk us off. I don't know I think I'm ranting incoherently now. I think I'm done here.

I hope I made my point clear.

Also, despite the hard work being put into bitcoin, we can't just assume that it will succeed. I believe that it can and that it will, but that doesn't guarantee anything.

I know I'm really hating on the establishment democrats, but Trump is definitely worse. The mishandling of the coronavirus which has caused about 150k unnecessary deaths and loss of GDP, as well as allowing the government to funnel money to the rich, as well as permanently reduce their taxes, including corporate taxes while only temporarily reducing middle class taxes is definitely not where I stand.

And mark my words the coming climate disaster will kill and displace millions of people during our lifetimes. As long as you live another 30-50 years to really start experiencing it. During this decade we'll see another arctic ice all time low, every year it's more probable then the last, and eventually a blue ocean event. And the climate will start getting very different. More droughts, floods, hurricanes, fires, sea level rise, you name it. Some places will become unlivable. Some places will become impoverished.

Trump did about exactly the opposite of what needs to be done. Not that Biden/Kamala would do much better. If Biden/Kamala started convincingly promising they'll tackle climate change, they might still get my vote yet.

A Green new deal kind of thing at the minimum.

Trump has always been a non-starter for me. He lacks any policy substance. He is a veiled racist. A creepy rich guy who abused his authority to walk in on naked teen's lockers. The only thing Trump has going for him, is that as an entertainer he can sometimes be entertaining. But I never watched him anyway, and unlike apparently millions of Americans I understand that a good entertainer is not necessarily also a good leader.

Edit: I just wanna add, I don't wanna do 3 posts here close to one another, but I don't want people thinking I'm for Trump. I'm an Independent. Good policies is what I want. I don't care about the R or the D next to people's names. It's just not enough for me to get it up, unlike so many people unfortunately.

Kamala Harris is an authoritarian just like Trump. Threatening state violence (the police) for children not going to school.

By the way, most of the policies you mention would be a plus for me if Kamala really supported them.

Universal healthcare is good both for the health of the people but also for the free market. Here's why. Our current system has fake inflated prices. If it didn't you would have dentist's private practices charge reasonable fees, people would go to these practices for the same reason they go to different supermarkets.

That's actually how it works in countries with Universal healthcare. The only losers are the private insurance agencies that won't get to insert their thieving selves between us and the healthcare system.

Yes, all the people in the country deserve healthcare, yes that includes illegal immigrants, criminals, everyone. The whole resource money argument is invented when it comes to that. The cost is only inflated by insurance companies and the fake prices that we all have to pay. It's Cleptocratic bullshit.

Open borders? Citation needed. Where and how is she for open borders. I seriously doubt that.


Free college would be a good thing. Every dollar put in there probably will net society another $10 dollars back. Unlike buildin more bombs and prisons and giving all of our house tax money to the police for no reason.

The union stuff, I haven't heard about. Again, citation needed.

Left of Sanders? You seriously believe that?

If anything Kamala Harris is a conservative.

She laughed at legalizing marijuana, in an election against a republican who was in favour. True, she's changed her position since then, but it's really a point against her. It wasn't too long ago she was in the wrong on that.

On July 22, she voted against cutting the pentagon budget by 10% and investing that money to jobs, education, healthcare and housing in high poverty areas.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/s135

The democrats were 22 for and 23 against.

Kamala (or Copmala) voted against.
Just like all the other republicunts.


It's a cynical way for the elites to hush hush all the libtards who will be too cowardly to vote against the first black woman Veep (who could very well become president as Biden is well past the sell by date).

Don't fall for it. I'd be a lot more likely to pinch my nose shut and vote for Biden if he at least got Bernie or Tulsi as VP. But now? No way.

The powers that be get to feel safe, and they play the identity politics game.

Obama sucked donkey dick. People should be immune to identity politics by now.


When black children were being poisoned by high lead levels in Flint, Obama flew in for a publicity stunt instead of helping the community by declaring an emergency.

The poisoning of a whole american city, just to get some profits by building an unnecessary water pipeline and Barack "Change" Obama shortchanged a whole community of people for whom he was cast as hero.

I can't imagine the dissapointment.

Kamala didn't even make the promises obama made, I can't imagine what we'd get with her.

I'm not voting in that administration. The democratic party needs to learn that it has to change to get votes, they can't just be republican light.

I always buy gas at wholesale clubs.

15 cents cheaper than outside. I always have their cards as I get more in savings from holding them. Some items you can get for an absolute steal at Costco and Sam's.

Add cash back from credit card 5% usually and I stretch my dollar to the max.


I would never stop and fill at a more expensive gas station unless I absolutely had to.


Here's why I think people do it. Maybe it's just slightly more convenient for them to park there and they're that lazy.
Maybe the store attached sells what they wanna buy and again they are that lazy.
Maybe it's psychological, they think the gas is better.
Potentially they like the owner or some of the employees and want to support that business instead.
Maybe the cheaper gas station has really slow pumps and is generally harder to use them.

I wanna see you on the blockmarket. I can't wait until we get the marketplace back.

Honestly we're poised to strike in the next crypto bullmarket. But price is price, and technology is more important. I trust that the syscoin team knows what they're doing.

If anything Covid deaths get undercounted.

When all this is over, we can just see if the general death rate went up. How many extra people died and whether that's a significant figure. About a Million extra deaths is far from insignificant especially considering only about 56 Million people die each year.

For example we might have anticipated 56.5 Million deaths but we see 58 instead.

I've worked with people who have had covid, and who have family members with covid right the fuck now. It's not a conspiracy and it's not a scam.

Well, I don't wanna give away where I go to, but basically think beautiful state parks. If I say any more I'll potentially de-anonymize my account even further than it already is.

One of the times a ranger even came up because it was getting dark, but he either didn't care, or he didn't notice.

One of the other places is actually federally protected by US Fish and Wildlife, so the rangers or whatever there have similar authority to the FBI, still pot smokers abound there.





Isn't it also possible that they already had mental problems and were trying to self medicate? Weed helps a lot of people with depression and with getting focused to study, or creative pursuits.

Like any other drug, coffee, sugar, alcohol, laughing gas, psychedelics there are risks and benefits. I don't do drugs myself but I know they've saved lives.

Veterans of the military that suffer from PTSD for example, have practically managed to work through it with just a few psychedelics.
Marijuana has helped countless others.

Seriously, during this pandemic I've been offered weed 3 times. 1. Blunt with like a bunch of people 5 maybe, all taking hits, Medical marijuana in from a vape like thing, and another blunt between 3.

I'm not going to clarify whether I partook in the devil's letttuce, but I wonder, have any of you had the same experience?


Edit: Oh yeah, and I'm talking about strangers offering that, people that I just met in the great outdoors on separate occasions.

That's not how it works at all. If contact tracing was perfect, you could stop the virus before infecting more than a handful of people, and then poof it would disappear.

Just because it can technically spread to everyone doesn't mean it will. It's just one more factor.





Japan's population is not small. It's about half of the population of the US. (About 40% if you're being pedantic, even 38% if you're being anal)
Japan is also spread through islands and has some very dense areas. Contact tracing isn't going to be any harder in the US.

Contact tracing becomes a little harder when you don't handle the crisis in a timely fashion. It'd be even easier in the US as you can just limit travel from the infected states and you have tons of land separation.

Just because New York got hit, it didn't mean that florida had to be hit hard, but it did. Florida is Trumptopia and they listened to big daddy Trump. I'm not saying Trump is bad, nor that Trump people are bad, many of my friends are very pro-Trump.

What I am saying, is that Trump fucked up. Do you disagree?



Also on the China data. Thunderf00t on YouTube (thunderf00t is a PHD chemist, who does mostly nuclear chemistry experiments on nuclear reactors and has had a pretty solid academic career (a lot of impactful papers)) used the data from China.

In fact using the data from China he made a simple but actually very accurate model for other countries, including the US before the whole thing was even a crisis. Since his model was accurate, that leads me to believe the Chinese numbers were accurate.

You'll notice on the chinese data there is suddenly a day with a huge increase, that's when they expanded the definition for what is considered coronavirus related.

Yes the Chinese government is pretty close to dystopian. I would never want to live in country like that. However look at the PPE they are using and the measures they took. It makes pefect sense they could contain the virus quickly.


There is a lot of conspiracy bullshit when it comes to China precisely because the government is so oppressive, however I haven't seen a theory that hasn't been debunked.

I used to watch China uncensored and there are many mistakes made, it's very sensational but also very low on substance. A lot of lies and exaggerations. It's funny to "expose" a ridiculously evil government like the Chinese communist party but you have to remain factual.

Did they unjustly jail people of a minority group and harvest their organs. Checkity check check.
Did they hide coronavirus deaths... No, not really as the data they gave us had predictive capacity.

They did try and cover up the virus initially but they gave up quickly enough not to necessarily fuck everyone over. If China hadn't tried to cover it up, we probably would never be in that situation.

But had it started in the United States, due to the general incompetence, greed, and limited availabilty of medical services present, the global crises would have been WAY worse.

It's funny how history repeats itself. The Spanish flu originated in the United States (Kansas), but Spain was the country that first admitted it had a problem. So everyone else covered it up until then (with good reasons).

China gets a new pandemic and doesn't admit it either until it's too late. 100 years later.

Anyway this thread was suppossed to be about the great work of the juice media.

Greatly summarizes the situation in the US. I haven't seen any valid criticism of the video. In fact, I'll just re-watch.

My only criticism of their videos. Some of the humor is hit or miss, it's not all George carlin level, but honestly for what passes for humor these days, it's top tier. S-Class.

Try nearly every other country, and since the US nearly spans a continent, it arguably should have been limited to only a small part of the United States.

There is a reason why a large country like China has a low mortality rate

And there is also a reason why a dense country with a huge population that is densely concentrated, like Japan has a low mortality rate.

And why the US really can't even get close to them.

USA       Deaths per 1 Million population 473
China    Deaths per 1 Million population     3
Japan    Deaths per 1 million population   8


The US is so spread out that we should have been able to contain the virus. The US is also on a seperate continent, both from Italy and China and we got the virus much later on.


We could easily have had an extremely low mortality rate.

But Trump did fire all of the experts because they were useless apparently. Apparently we only need to pay the experts when there is a crisis and not to look for upcoming problems. The Trump people were dumb enough to go out and protest the pandemic measures. The left weren't much smarter, going out to protest racial injustice during the pandemic, at least it's a real issue and they were wearing masks.


Swap out Trump with a competent president, and we'd have prevented at least 100,000 deaths and also protected our economy.

While the juice media is not without political bias, even if you look at it objectively there are about 100,000 unnecessary US deaths on his hands.

Take a look at a country as divided as the United States, where the ruling party took the crisis seriously. A country with an aging population next to a hot zone (Italy), with a giant port that is owned by the Chinese (Pireus), Greece.

Greece 19   deaths per Million (median age in Greece) = 43.4 years
USA     470 deaths per Million (median age in USA)     = 38.2


Greece doesn't have as much money as the US but they do have more doctors and better hospitals. Did Trump even try and get us single payer? Don't think so. But even if you took the health care system out of it, that wouldn't change the bad policies and example set by the Trump administration.


I'm an independent, not a democrat. If you can't accept that Trump mishandled this crisis, you're free to argue that, but you won't convince me without the facts being on your side.

I'm not the one being overly partisan here.

Kill him! Transfer everything and then find another.

The juice media YouTube channel uploads "Honest goverment ads" that satirize the governent. They typically mostly cover Australia. They're always hillarious and I'm a big fan of them.

The latest one, which at the time has about 33k views tackles the handling of the Coronavirus Pandemic by the current administration and it's hilarious.

Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpIkl2QnJeI

I hope my PC doesn't get raped for me typing this but I don't use an antivirus. I haven't used one in years.

I just don't click on any popup ads, I have ad-blocker and when I'm browing... choicier websites I'm just more careful.

I do install a few suspicious .exe files every now and then but I assess the risk everytime. So far, so good.

The more you look at the price, the more the price drops.

The more you research a coin the more likely it is to fail.


For those who don't get it, yes I'm only kidding.

I bet most contract killing happens using fiat, or involves a conspiracy to steal fiat. It was meantioned earlier in the thread that most of what you see on the darkweb are scams.

I could go in the dark web and offer any sort of thing for money. You'd know it's a scam if I asked for something like 50% payment up front completely anonymously. The last and only time I checked and saw such a thing that's how it was set up.

It listed different prices for a regular person, law enforcement, politicians et cetera.

It's also very possible that these sites are set up by law enforcement and there will be an attempt to trace the funds or an attempt to deanonymize the user. You can never be sure what exploit the government has found to look through tor, maybe they have something and they are just waiting to catch enough people before going forward with arrests.

Well, you never "Log-in" to bitcoin.

Bitcoin is a protocol and the most common implementation of that protocol.

Bitcoin the protocol and bitcoin the computer program.



So it sounds like you aren't using bitcoin directly but a website that manages bitcoin on your behalf. That is a risky move to begin with. So first of all you need to ask that website for help, you can post here, but you better provide those details (as long as you are comfortable with that) without compromising the security of your account.

That means don't share your password, any backup keys, security questions et cetera.

Yeah I screwed my math up by a factor of 12. 24 I did month instead of year and I cut my earning by half (it was 20.69 per quarter). I'll edit my post. So instead of my 100 Million dolllars my estimate would be 4 Million dollars and that's on the stock I'm holding which is very much a long term stock from a company that really watches it's money. I don't think it has ever even crashed in it's history of over 50 years. I'm not going to reveal the company.

Edit: I made so many mistakes. I wish I was drunk. Now I came back to necro edit my posts. This is terrible.