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OMG,
Augusto, please pull out before they make even more fun of you. You lost this round.
(To mental cripples no less)
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Amazing that Josh is spending all his time in this thread. You would think he has a job or something running a major bitcoin mining company. Most COO's I know actually have schedules that are pretty tight, no time to play in the forums of their favourite hobby. He is just a boy doing a man's job let us just state facts. Failure was really the only outcome from this day one everyone knew it.
What else does he have to do? Photoshop New Product - DONE  |
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BFL will make it in time, right?
You just know they will...(I hope)
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Darin, you really need to seek help. You are in contact with children on a daily basis and you are unstable and delusional. I honestly fear for the children you are in charge of. You see me in every poster on this forum. You disbelieve benign government websites like the FCC's (You probably think I somehow hacked into the FCC's DB and changed things, no doubt.). You are one screwed up individual man. It's no wonder you had to travel to Asia to start your own school, no Canadian or US institution would allow you within 250 feet of a child after seeing your mental evaluation scores.
That weirdo work with children ?!?  In Asia...yeah...yeah...ok...i have the picture now... Yeah, check this out: http://www.canadianmontessori.org/about.htmlClick the mail to link on the top. Guess who's name pops up... and the whois registration for the domain, you guessed it, our friend Darin Bicknell. Talk about frightening. He couldn't get approved in Canada (I suspect because of his legal problems) and decided to move somewhere with less stringent laws governing people such as himself coming in contact with children. I believe his wife is listed as the "owner" of the school, which is probably why he was able to pass a background check to get the place started. For bonus points, check out his video's on Youtube. Dude is classic coiled spring waiting to go off. I wonder if Inaba had kids...how would they turn out? If you can gauge this guy from one youtube video, how can we gauge your insanity from 10 of your best posting(s)? I still remember that crazy rant with the Ex-Intel guy. That was flippin' crazy. Comments welcome. |
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What has happened with BFL chips? Were they on time?
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What happened with Terrahash that they are receiving refund complaints?
Yifu happened to TH. Could you be a bit more specific? Link? He means we are ALL waiting for the million chips to arrive in the mail... still no sign. No ROI and now people are selling off lots of 10K at 50% off... oh that be the issue for any DIY team right now. Most will probably implode in the next week or two as a result. Sad. Specifically check out any of the DIY thread or group chip buys... it is starting to get ugly. Oh sorry about that, I didn't notice that TerraHash was a DIY based on Avalon. Only 50% reduction? Buyers should hold out for alot less. I will go check out the Group Buys. |
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Inaba seems to be getting a bit like Adolf Hitler in the last days of the Third Reich when he retreated to his Berlin bunker and called people names and blamed everyone but himself for the impending disaster of losing the war.  My $.02. I believe there is a video out there showing this. |
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What happened with Terrahash that they are receiving refund complaints?
Yifu happened to TH. Could you be a bit more specific? Link? |
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No Performance, No thread: Hi,
Just got a refund a few days ago.
I started a PayPal dispute at day 44 (I ordered and knew that if they did not ship by 45 days I will start a dispute on time).
I do not consider the rate at which they are shipping to be really shipping, because they lied on their shipping rates.
I don't have ANY problem with getting a refund by any mean under those circumstances.
And it's funny because BFL just announced the Monarch - I won't order from them but there is a shift toward more powerful devices, so I'm glad I got my money back.
I will NEVER AGAIN order from BFL. In 10+ years doing online e-commerce I've never seen people behaving like them.
The people in the BFL forums are like affected by the Stockholm syndrome : every time there is the slightest hope for something positive, they all get happy, and they don't see the big picture.
uski
Real customer with only 6 posts. Stated policy to refuse any legal request for Refunds? Yes. Advertising privileges pulled? No. Threads are pulled? No. Long history of the same ongoing problem? Yes. Do they malign the very forum on which they advertise? Yes. Consequences for Vendor? None. |
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For example Kano,
You got free hardware <cough> as part of your "development kit". You are slow to bash BFL but quick to bash everyone else. The companies which did not directly offer you hardware, you continually bash.
(Paid) Shill or Troll, take you guess.
Sigh - yet again a post of lies - to pretend they are some oracle who knows all but yet cannot provide proof of the lies they post ... Yes, short memories we all pretend to have in sight of the obvious...let just say it is "off topic". |
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For example Kano,
You got free hardware <cough> as part of your "development kit". You are slow to bash BFL but quick to bash everyone else. The companies which did not directly offer you hardware, you continually bash.
(Paid) Shill or Troll, take you guess.
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Maybe solution would be to open a distinct subcategory where such views would be tolerated while elsewhere would be strictly forbidden. So if one would not like to have any of that attitude, he would simply have to avoid that subcategory. First (pinned) post should be vendor trust level which would be moderated on regular basis based on current experience and would have listed ASIC vendors.
The problem is that doesn't solve the core problem. Complaints have to be hand in hand with sales. Not hidden in a backroom or subforum. If you have an angry customer, then everyone should know about it and the vendor (within reason) should feel compelled to do something positive about it...because it affects their bottom line. Take BFL for a perfect example, you have a problem?...Then FUCK YOU! That pretty much means they can go to a mod and have their (customers) posts thrown into some back room which no one would want to go visit in the first place. Whether people like it or not, they should have the crap right under their noses so they know A) it exists, and B) it's stinking up the room and no one is doing anything "positive" about it. ================= There are fake trolls/shills all over the place. There are known vendors with poor performance who don't produce...and frankly, they face no penalty for not producing on their orders. Some <cough> tell their very customers to go "fuck off" and call them liars even when they have established a legitimate order and face insurmountable challenges in getting a remedy. CoinTerra or TerraHash can delay from their current release schedules to February or March and nothing bad will happen to them. They won't lose any advertising privledges, they won't face any moderator issues, they won't even be told anything which affects their business. By throwing out the members who do point out the unremarkable truth, they have free reign. They can damn well do as they please with no one to say otherwise. |
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The forum is overrun with the hate of the day with various "hardware"(/vaporware) vendors, it has become hard to discuss anything else. Many of the participants are behaving like animals.
I'm sensitive to the risk of suppressing complaints. There have been many scam hardware "vendors" of various degrees. People should be able to communicate about the risks, seek recourse, etc. At the same time, these complaints have reached an intensity where they are self defeating. If you tell me vendor X is a scam I don't know if its because they are or because you're crazy, because you're a shill for another vendor, because you're a shill for them trying to make the complainers look crazy, if you're a miner trying to scare people out of mining, etc. As a warning this information is no longer very helpful.
I have multiple people I know (and have met in person and know not to be socks) begging me to do something about the sad state of this subforum. But I'm at a loss... how do we defeat troll culture when it's taking the form of "concern troll" about concerns we should be careful to preserve? And how can we do it without making me and miningbuddy censors who have to vet every single post?
Does anyone have any great ideas?
No offense BAN PEOPLE- Inaba is hella toxic. I think any/all vendor related contacts should be banned...they have email addresses and vendor ecommerce sites - takes your fussing and questions to them there...not here. bitsyncom - GET OUT. You should maybe clone the trust system to add a reputation meter in too. Make it such that only moderators could actually ban people who suddenly get a negative 10 rating. maybe if someone suddenly gets a negative rating they have their posts removed and banned...i know you talk about not wanting to take away freedom to compalin and feel how one chooses - but there sure is a lot of stupid crap that gets perpetuated by vendors which gets people who spent maybe tens of thousands of dollars on these vendors really pissed off and riled up. That's all. At most a single [ann] section where members can post all the new crypto news and its a single area in the forum where the BS and speculation on delivery dates and wether or not they are scams could be posted their. I think the reputation would allow us to effectively get rid of the immatures, the bots, and of course, the shills. Perhaps instead of instant-BAN you could relegate people back into the newbies section for X number of hours/days/weeks/indefinitely. A nice idea, but the problem is then it effectively makes a gag on something that can be purely subjective. A person might hate my guts for instance and gather 10 people or 10 socks and ban me. Even though I never actually said anything untruthful. |
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Only product-specific threads allowed, once you, or your apointee, receive(s) a working device. It is up to vendors to supply these, including an optional prepaid return shipping if they desire them returned.
No product, no thread.
This is guaranteed to eliminate the majority of madness on all sides. You would be left with legitimate vendors, legitimate customers, and an occasional shill or a troll, much like in other subfora.
I like the "no product, no thread" idea. Shunt everything else to mining speculation or scam accusation. I agree. No Product, no thread.Except it should be changed to: No Performance, No thread(s). <=== The reason I say this is because BFL can claim they have a product. So they would then argue they can have their thread with the above idea. So I recommend there be "Performance" = "A thread". So this way, people who are ordering but aren't getting a performance out of their product can have their threads pulled until they do perform. This should also change Theymos positions on stuff. It must apply to advertising. If you cannot perform then you cannot bid for ads. What stops any scammer from spending 100btc over 10 weeks and getting their vapor product advertised while collecting thousands of dollars in revenue for a product which has no performance? (and perhaps no existence) Edit: If you think this hasn't happened, recall that BFL took orders in June 2012 and they maintained a thread and many customers. They only barely began delivery in April 2013 (actually more like May 2013. Almost a year later) |
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IF BFL had delivered in January as I had thought,I/we would have made out like 1st batch Avalons did,almost This is why you don't understand how bitcoin works and why your arguments are laughable. Do you seriously believe you would be the only person receiving a unit? Because that is the only scenario where this statement would be true, otherwise, it's just plain false. Josh,I know more about Bitcoin,than you know about ASIC's bro  Avalon 1st batch customers & BFL customers would of had the "Early adopter Advantage",which at the time of ordering is what WE as BFL customers had COUNTED on.There was only AsicMiner on the near horizon,no other competitors were anywhere near to release time in January. But you,BFL,kept delaying over & over again,because of ineptness & cost us,your customers,that advantage.Aww boohoo right  Yes,all BFL devices will make a "positive return" for quite sometime.Any "return" is positive,no matter how small.............. But no where near the amount had BFL delivered in the original timeframe of Oct 2012-Jan 2013. Thank you for your thoughts & get back to shipping ASAP Once again, this is why you don't understand how bitcoin works. Let me see if I can dumb it down enough for you to understand: When excess hashrate is on the network, the difficulty rises until it reaches an equilibrium with the hashrate so that 6 blocks are created per hour. If BFL had shipped everything in November, the difficulty would be far in excess to where it is now (and even more than to where it was a month ago), thus your profitability would have declined. Once again, the only way you scenario can be true is if you're the only one receiving a unit. That would not have happened, therefore your premise is false. No, you do not understand bitcoin at all, sorry. Told you so! |
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LOL Please post "I shit on BFL and liars" on this thread if you want to sue them until they die. Haha, too funny. Josh also misspelled it. |
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lol. Just a second ago you told me there is a difference between the words fraud and lie. Now you can't give me a simple two word term that is French in origin and means to ship "in a mass; as a group", is that correct?
I am not french, your definition sparks nothing in my memory. How can I know shomething if I cannot remember having heard it? Does IQ = Omnipotence? Its a puzzle, it requires little thought. (Thats where the IQ part comes in.) Someone with a high IQ and having attended MIT should have been able to operate "the googles on the interwebs". http://lmgtfy.com/?q=en+masseit always amazes me the number of people who equate IQ with Knowledge. A walking dictionary I am not. While I could have looked it up, that wasn't part of the exercise. I was asked for knowledge. I did not have that as ready knowledge. Your purile tauntings show your lack of knowledge on this subject. In other words, you have never heard of the term 'en masse' in your lifetime. I figured it out in the first few seconds but then thought he might be looking for an english term (which honestly stumped me). As soon as he defined it as french...that pretty much made it point blank obvious. It was a puzzle. |
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lol. Just a second ago you told me there is a difference between the words fraud and lie. Now you can't give me a simple two word term that is French in origin and means to ship "in a mass; as a group", is that correct?
Here, I'll make it easier....
Two words meaning to ship "in a mass; as a group". French origin. First word "en".
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revealing the first blank gets us:
en _________
What is the word in the blank, bcp?
mass en masse |
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lol. Just a second ago you told me there is a difference between the words fraud and lie. Now you can't give me a simple two word term that is French in origin and means to ship "in a mass; as a group", is that correct?
Here, I'll make it easier....
Two words meaning to ship "in a mass; as a group". French origin. First word "en".
____ ________
revealing the first blank gets us:
en _________
What is the word in the blank, bcp?
My God, you are literally giving it away.... |
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lol. Just a second ago you told me there is a difference between the words fraud and lie. Now you can't give me a simple two word term that is French in origin and means to ship "in a mass; as a group", is that correct?
I am not french, your definition sparks nothing in my memory. How can I know shomething if I cannot remember having heard it? Does IQ = Omnipotence? Its a puzzle, it requires little thought. (Thats where the IQ part comes in.) |
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