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2321  Other / Politics & Society / Re: a society question about vegans on: November 09, 2019, 01:55:00 AM


but then us carnivores use our protein enriched brains and notice that its 'processed meats' due to the sodium nitrate (salts(brine) thats pumped into meat as a preservative/additive that is the threatening carcinogens.. not the meat itself.
which then just means get organic farm frozen or farm fresh meat thats not got 'preservatives' in it

or if you want to fight the vegan radical about the whole 'cancer' thing. just tell them about the salts and tell them that instead of buying meat thats preserved. your instead gonna go hunting and get meat fresh off the bone while its still warm.. as your own radical response


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Exactly, that is how we evolved, by eating high quantities of animal proteins, not to mention fat to endure long winters. Animal protein is needed for the body to function properly, the problem is the salts and crap they put in the meat to preserve it.
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I don't think we know for sure about the additives, not sufficiently so to justify paying the higher prices for "organic."

Say for example a person bought only organic, but used plastic containers in the fridge and microwave. Bad things can leech out of plastics, too; particularly when they are heated up.

Now here are two suspect areas, nitrites and plastic components. but there are MANY others.

That's the nature of our world today.
2322  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: November 08, 2019, 11:21:41 PM
...get it over with and prove me soooo wrong and produce a house subpoena related to impeachment issued before October 31st.

I agree, congress doesn't have subpoena rights, that's a court function. These various guys didn't understand that. But what was this about? I lost track...
2323  Other / Politics & Society / Re: a society question about vegans on: November 08, 2019, 11:19:24 PM
i dont see styca as a radical vegan
i would think of styca as a peaceful vegetarian
...

OKAY but you gotta be careful and stay suspicious around these molevegans. They infiltrate our culture for decades. They have long term plans, First they side with the ones who'd like bacon off the menu. Then they solemnly agree with the Scientists That Say beef is bad. Then it's the oils that the chicken is fried in. But really, it's the gradual, relentless march of the anti-meateaters.

I suggest everyone carefully consider those who would take away our Zero Amendment, the right to eat tasty meat.

Here is study material on this subject.

http://www.ooze.com/pweeta/

but then us carnivores use our protein enriched brains and notice that its 'processed meats' due to the sodium nitrate (salts(brine) thats pumped into meat as a preservative/additive that is the threatening carcinogens.. not the meat itself.
which then just means get organic farm frozen or farm fresh meat thats not got 'preservatives' in it



I think that's a vague attribution as to cause, and a Hail Mary Pass as to effect, as are almost all attempts to define healthy. But here's a interesting take on the subject.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/01/bacon-cancer-processed-meats-nitrates-nitrites-sausages
2324  Other / Politics & Society / Re: a society question about vegans on: November 08, 2019, 10:05:41 PM
i dont see styca as a radical vegan
i would think of styca as a peaceful vegetarian
...

OKAY but you gotta be careful and stay suspicious around these molevegans. They infiltrate our culture for decades. They have long term plans, First they side with the ones who'd like bacon off the menu. Then they solemnly agree with the Scientists That Say beef is bad. Then it's the oils that the chicken is fried in. But really, it's the gradual, relentless march of the anti-meateaters.

I suggest everyone carefully consider those who would take away our Zero Amendment, the right to eat tasty meat.

Here is study material on this subject.

http://www.ooze.com/pweeta/
2325  Other / Politics & Society / Re: a society question about vegans on: November 07, 2019, 09:52:13 PM
....
just imagine cows doing what humans do, but every every year instead of 20 years.
oh and before you say les cows than people
cows dont know birth control and dont have the fingers to put a condom on...

think of the reality not the utopia
How about we eat them to extinction?

Smiley

2326  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Here's why the cost of gas is 40% higher in California on: November 07, 2019, 08:52:11 PM
....
I mean these people aren't shooting up in public when you're going to a location. You're physically going to some sort of clinic, being given a syringe and a 'room' (could be a real room, or a small private area) then you shoot up your heroin, probably stay for a little while and then leave. This limits the amount of LETHAL overdoses (as there are medical staff trained there to help) and the amount of diseases that are spread through people using and reusing needles.


It would seem that the many syringes in the streets and gutters disagree with your santized, pure view of blissful safe shooting up.

You do understand that there are many studies that have shown that safe areas to use syringes and stuff ensure that people aren't dying, right?

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2018/01/12/injection-sites-provide-safe-spots-to-shoot-up

It gives people that are addicted the best chance of getting to treatment.

Is that something that you support?

Ideas like this are definitely worth supporting on a trial basis.
2327  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: November 07, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
You really going to go with the "if the subpoena isn't on the internet then it must not exist" theory?

Who got it into your head that the cover letter for the subpoena was proof the subpoena wasn't an actual subpoena?

No I am going to go with it is a public document and if it exists you should have no problem producing it theory.

Where are all the Congressional subpoenas located? If you know of a repository for all of them let me know please.  Not going to go file a FOIA.

 
Every committee has a website link to the work and work in progress.

They only post subpoena letters though, not the actual subpoenas.

https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=710

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Click here to read the subpoena letter.
Click here to read the deposition letter.


Okay, here's my response. Call the committee main number, or call that ass-hat running it. You will get a frazzled kid at the front desk. Tell him you want to see actual subpoena papers.

You'll get one of three or four answers, I do not know which, but it will likely be an interesting conversation.
2328  Other / Politics & Society / Re: a society question about vegans on: November 07, 2019, 05:26:44 PM
Actually, a lot of the vegans would love to force others to be vegans.

Quantify 'a lot'. Come on, that's a lazy generalisation. Some vegans want that. I don't want that.
Some men are rapists, doesn't mean a lot or most or all.
That's a fair criticism of my comment.

I actually have no clue as to the %age.

Offhand I'd think it was comparable to the gay/lezzie movements, where there are incredibly obnoxious loudmouths "speaking for the movement" and they have zero similarity to the average gay or lezzie who is a totally normal person
2329  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: November 07, 2019, 05:00:46 PM
You really going to go with the "if the subpoena isn't on the internet then it must not exist" theory?

Who got it into your head that the cover letter for the subpoena was proof the subpoena wasn't an actual subpoena?

No I am going to go with it is a public document and if it exists you should have no problem producing it theory.

Where are all the Congressional subpoenas located? If you know of a repository for all of them let me know please.  Not going to go file a FOIA.

 
Every committee has a website link to the work and work in progress.
2330  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Did we actually really land on moon? on: November 07, 2019, 04:57:50 PM
If the rocket doesn't blow up mid-flight or isn't just straight up CGI/models, ....

In reality, the world wide rocket launch schedule is published and well known for years into the future.

https://www.spaceflightinsider.com/launch-schedule/
2331  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Global Warming Real? on: November 07, 2019, 01:25:06 PM
Well, hey! All you GW jokers don't have to sit around with your thumbs blah, blah, blah. Show us the hot weather forecasts.


Several Blasts Of Arctic Air Will Bring Early Winter To Northeast


Global warming means on average. It absolutely doesn't mean that every part of the globe will be hotter at every moment in the year.
In fact global warming leads to greater temperature volatility. Yes, long droughts and fires, but also stronger hurricanes and heavier rainfall.
You go out on a summer's day, and it can be very humid. Go out on a winter's day, and it is never humid. Hot air contains more water. Hot air has more energy. Global warming doesn't mean hotter everywhere all the time, it means hotter on average, globally, year to year. GW is weather on steroids.

No, that isn't even close to a definition of global warming.

Climate is pretty much defined as successive ten year averages in climate. So for the period 1985, 1995, 2005, 2015 one would have a single data point for 1990, 2000, and 2010.

That's pretty much what your much ballyhooed charts have. Three data points. And no, GW does not imply <<<long laundry list of Biblical disasters
2332  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? on: November 07, 2019, 01:15:18 PM
Well, except for the mass shootings, which are done pretty exclusively by right-wing 8chan-ing incels. 8chan changed their name recently... Wonder why they did that...

FBI & DOJ Statistics > claims about a post on 8chan


Puzzles me.

Because the only way to make forward progress is to correctly understand things. But if that is made difficult or impossible by way of alternative facts and smokescreens, then real world problems cannot be solved.
2333  Other / Politics & Society / Re: a society question about vegans on: November 07, 2019, 01:08:44 PM


First of all, I'm not vegan. I think there's just a small number of them compared to us who normally eat meat but I understand why they want to do it. They're not forcing anyone to be vegan ....

Actually, a lot of the vegans would love to force others to be vegans.



I don't say that they are right or wrong to try to force other people.

But, don't we have some people trying to forbid  the Chinese to eat dogs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee_and_Dog_Meat_Festival)

or the Dane (Denmark) to kill Dolphins (https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/annual-ritual-sees-hundreds-of-whales-slaughtered-in-denmark-pictures-spark-outrage-2170285.html)

Or the Japaneese to hunt Whales for "fake" research purpose.

Or poacher to kill elephants and Rhino for Ivory.

Why are we trying to restrain them in doing what they like to do / have been doing for many generation.

Is our moral ground higher than theirs ?


Who decide which animal is worth protecting ? worth eating ?
We shouldn't kill and eat elephants, but chickens are free for all ?


The Veganism questions is not just a black or white question.
there are many shade of grey.

I think those are all good questions and valid comparables. By looking at these all together creates a frame of reference for all killing of other animals.

But I still like the idea of Vegans having to carry the animals they saved around.

And don't forget delicious Bacon. A lot of cults would tell us we shouldn't eat pigs.
2334  Other / Politics & Society / Re: a society question about vegans on: November 07, 2019, 01:13:45 AM
First of all, I'm not vegan. I think there's just a small number of them compared to us who normally eat meat but I understand why they want to do it. They're not forcing anyone to be vegan ....

Actually, a lot of the vegans would love to force others to be vegans.



I don't say that they are right or wrong to try to force other people.

But, don't we have some people trying to forbid  the Chinese to eat dogs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee_and_Dog_Meat_Festival)

or the Dane (Denmark) to kill Dolphins (https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/annual-ritual-sees-hundreds-of-whales-slaughtered-in-denmark-pictures-spark-outrage-2170285.html)

Or the Japaneese to hunt Whales for "fake" research purpose.

Or poacher to kill elephants and Rhino for Ivory.

Why are we trying to restrain them in doing what they like to do / have been doing for many generation.

Is our moral ground higher than theirs ?


Who decide which animal is worth protecting ? worth eating ?
We shouldn't kill and eat elephants, but chickens are free for all ?


The Veganism questions is not just a black or white question.
there are many shade of grey.

I think those are all good questions and valid comparables. By looking at these all together creates a frame of reference for all killing of other animals.

But I still like the idea of Vegans having to carry the animals they saved around.

2335  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: November 07, 2019, 01:06:42 AM
Ukraine meddling with the 2016 elections.

Can you explain the "Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election" conspiracy theory for me?

Do people think that it was Ukraine, not Russia that was responsible for Hillarys emails being released?  I've been looking for evidence or a clear explanation but can't find anything other than the Crowdstrike stuff that has been debunked.

If "debunked," why did Trump ask the Pres of Ukraine to look into it?

I guess what I'm asking is this. Do you know better and more than Trump?

It's basically just Trump saying "No U" to all the proof that Russia meddled in the election to help Trump get elected.
Also, he could use the fact that Ukraine is investigating the DNC to legitimize the conspiracy theory and use it as ammo to attack Democrats.


The whole theory really is pretty nuts.  I did some more research, the theory really is that Russia was not involved, it was the DNC and Ukraine that hacked the DNC and then leaked all those DNC emails.  I mean, come on.  ...

Okay, but consider the bolded above. Whether the reality behind XYZ could be used as ammo to attack Political Party cannot be a defense against investigating XYZ, when the very question is where there is WRONG behind XYZ. Then the so called "ammo" is "evidence of wrong". That's kind of important.

At the same time, it seems investigating might clear the Political Party or some parts of it? I honestly don't see the problem with that. They know they've had some bad apples. We know that. Why not get this all over and move on?

As for Ukraine vs Russia. A lot of people don't even really understand these are different countries, let along understand their current relationship with each other. Let alone the history. For sure include "Media Reporters" in this level of "totally ignorant gufus" category.

I don' have the impression that it reduces to Ukraine(2016 involvement yet to be understood) vs Russia(2016 involvement detailed out to date). Could be both, Crowdstrike owner = Ukrainian oligarch, for example.
2336  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ISIS is nothing compared to U.S. cops. on: November 07, 2019, 12:55:47 AM
Nice, never saw this thread. I'm late to the party.  This should be fun.

The latest story looks interesting.... woman escalates simple situation, becomes violent, officers have to respond with force in accordance with law. Use of force continuum to be evaluated to determine if appropriate legal force was used or exceeded.



Once every few months, one of the 900,000 officers in the US makes a questionable judgement call, based on reacting to a suspect's actions. Statistically raising huge abuse concerns for this 0.0001% rate of questionable activity.

Well, that's the very reason why cops train with pop up targets, in which some are innocents and some are the bad guys. But not all cops get such training. A lot of police departments only require firearm training to be one box of 50 shells at a range PER YEAR.

2337  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Did we actually really land on moon? on: November 06, 2019, 09:58:04 PM
If the moon landing was a hoax then 100% of NASA's workforce would have shouted it to the world back in the 60's and 70's and would be continuing to shout it now. The fact that no scientific groups anywhere in the world dispute the moon landings and the only people who argue this are internet loons shilling for money and attention should be a massive red flag to all of you on the fence.

Exactly the same goes for global warming. I've been on another thread, linking to the report the other day on human-caused climate change signed by 11,000 scientists, and full of evidence... but no, it's not enough.
You'll never convince these people with flimsy things like proof...

No, that's really not a "report on human-caused climate change", and it's not "full of evidence."

Rather it's a strange and odd bit of advocacy for "social and ecological justice."
2338  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: November 06, 2019, 09:54:16 PM
Ukraine meddling with the 2016 elections.

Can you explain the "Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election" conspiracy theory for me?

Do people think that it was Ukraine, not Russia that was responsible for Hillarys emails being released?  I've been looking for evidence or a clear explanation but can't find anything other than the Crowdstrike stuff that has been debunked.

If "debunked," why did Trump ask the Pres of Ukraine to look into it?

I guess what I'm asking is this. Do you know better and more than Trump?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9PY_3E3h2c
2339  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Global Warming Real? on: November 06, 2019, 09:49:58 PM
...
True climatology is a really complex science ....

There's no reason to continue your comment past that one statement.

It make well be "complex" to those that get degrees in it, but they have less intellectual ability than people that get degrees in astrophysics or straight physics.

Please don't confuse confusion of the mind in the confused with anything other than what it is.
2340  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Did we actually really land on moon? on: November 06, 2019, 09:46:24 PM
...

1965 scientist claims the moon is plasma, landing on it won’t be possible | RetroFocus -- ....

Well, four years later that sciency guy was proved wrong.
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