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2501  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Do Bitcoins need something REAL to back them? on: April 18, 2013, 11:42:12 PM
The professor who said Bitcoin should be backed by something but that it is a "step in the right direction" wrote a book called Capital as Money.

It proposes a new form of money, too.

http://www.amazon.com/Capital-As-Money-ebook/dp/B009AP9ZG6

I think the argument for "backing" money with something is that it SHOULD have a backing, even though we all agree that our current money does not. That is part of the problem....it's just made up with no real controls other than bankers issuing new notes or issuing credit.



To be frank, dollars are backed by banks.  Because it's next to illegal to use anything else but the prescribed national currency (see: liberty dollars), you're SoL and at the mercy of whatever the higher-ups decide to do with that currency.  It's completely out of the hands of the people.

On the other side of the spectrum is Bitcoin, which also is also backed by "nothing", but to correlate it with fiat, it's backed by the public.  In other words, we're in control of its price, and where it goes.
2502  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Do Bitcoins need something REAL to back them? on: April 18, 2013, 11:37:29 PM
I don't quite follow bitcoin is useful, because its not?
I only halfly get your point and it does not feel right, i would be much more comfortable with something i could use.

You can't eat bitcoins in case of a zombie apocalypse. Frozen carrots would be a better currency.

No, frozen carrots would be better as food, which is why you'd eat them instead of trade them for something else (like more food.)  Bitcoin makes the perfect money because it does nothing outside of being money.  There's no incentive to use it in any other application.
2503  Economy / Speculation / Re: Pleaseee stop going higher on: April 18, 2013, 11:32:17 PM
Aaaannnnddd now it goes down... after i bought... yep

Did you learn your lesson?
2504  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Do Bitcoins need something REAL to back them? on: April 18, 2013, 11:25:12 PM
Gold is a very useful element especially for things like the development of technologies of space travel Smiley


wrong, gold have uses: cables(stuff that is useful) and jewellery(which is just people thinking its pretty).

kokjo:  People don't generally buy gold because they want to use them on cables (but probably will buy them as jewelry, which is a lot like using gold as a store of wealth/showing off wealth.  Looking pretty is exactly why people think it's valuable.)

But the point I'd like to make is that because Gold is useful in many applications, it should not be used as money.  The fact that Bitcoin can literally do nothing but act as money is one of its better qualities; you don't want Bitcoin to have any other uses.  This is why we don't store wealth in food; not only does food rot, but it has a very important purpose, which is, being sustenance.  Certain items are better at this, precious metals being one, but even they have many applications in the real world.

Bitcoin does not.  It does nothing but be money.  It cannot be used in any other way.  It will never be used in any other way.  Nobody can say, "Well we need Bitcoin to build our space ships and it's kinda expensive so we need subsidies" no, it will never happen.  Bitcoin has value only because it is given value, the same as gold, minus the uses outside of storing wealth.
2505  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Do Bitcoins need something REAL to back them? on: April 18, 2013, 11:09:49 PM
Maybe if it was backed up by something like gold (which backs up everything else non digital), the exchange rate would be more stable.
Nevertheless it's backed up by merchants who accept bitcoin, so don't worry about it, it's tehnically backed up by that Wink

Stability is good, but gold hasn't been doing so hot lately, and has been going down in price pretty consistently.  The downside would be, wherever gold goes, Bitcoin would have to follow; plus, there's no way to peg it without any legal fiction to back it, which would mean government would get involved.  If a bank-owned government actually wanted to do this, I'd say:

2506  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: hello im new b on: April 18, 2013, 11:06:33 PM
My name is Mikalai, and I'm a Bitcoinaholic.
2507  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-18 FoxBusiness - Bitcoin Buzz Draws Western Union, MoneyGram on: April 18, 2013, 11:02:02 PM



I tend not to believe WU/MG are seriously considering this.


It would be like painting a big 'bureaucratics, please rape me in the arse' target on their back.


Granted, I need to do more research on this topic, but I have a distinct feeling that govt would not like WU/MG piggybacking on Bitcoin for their remittance network.



But but but progress and innovation Sad  What's with the government and hating anything which can help them succeed?
2508  Other / Off-topic / Re: George Soros dies at XX on: April 18, 2013, 10:56:07 PM
Whoops-i-doodle.
2509  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is BFL legit? on: April 18, 2013, 10:46:32 PM
I was about to place a pre-order until I started reading about BFL on these forums. Glad I didn't!

You made a wise decision.
2510  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Do Bitcoins need something REAL to back them? on: April 18, 2013, 10:46:14 PM
Confidence isn't real?

Not physically, no, but people are real.
2511  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Do Bitcoins need something REAL to back them? on: April 18, 2013, 10:35:01 PM
To expand on my last post, having Bitcoin "backed" by something would only remove its credibility as something which can work on its own.  Bitcoin is perfectly fine as-is.  If it's pegged to a commodity, it implies Bitcoin was worthless before it was pegged to said commodity.  This is wrong.  Bitcoin has many uses that nothing else can do; Bitcoin is the very first of its kind.  It's valuable because these traits are non-existent in any other commodity, especially if you realize what the banks are about nowadays.
2512  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Do Bitcoins need something REAL to back them? on: April 18, 2013, 10:26:21 PM
Does gold have something backing it?

Yes: people who believe it has value.  Grin
2513  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is BFL legit? on: April 18, 2013, 10:12:37 PM
Survey says!

No.
2514  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Ripples? on: April 18, 2013, 10:01:48 PM
I don't really get the whole thing with Ripple.

I've read a lot about it and still seeing it impractical, opaque and hard to learn for ordinary people....

Don't worry.  I don't get it either.
2515  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-18 FoxBusiness - Bitcoin Buzz Draws Western Union, MoneyGram on: April 18, 2013, 09:59:21 PM
Quote
Remittances go to pay for housing and for food and for maintaining your family," he said. "If you're sending to a rural part of Mexico, my guess is that the merchant is not going to be accepting bitcoins. They want pesos."
- Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2013/04/18/bitcoin-buzz-draws-western-union-moneygram/#ixzz2QqtZN0Rb

Yup.  But instead of having to go down to the Western Union agent location to pick some pesos up, you send a text to your friend's sister who buys bitcoins and pays pesos in exchange.   That person makes a little from each transaction.  Western Union gets about $8 + a vig on the exchange rate, so for a remittance transfer valued  at $100 the remittance recipient might get just $88.      With the person providing independently money exchange, that same transaction might deliver $94 worth and the person providing the exchange makes at least $5.  Sure that's not a lot of money but six of those a day and that person would be making more with this side job than from other employment options.



Ouch.  All the more reason to adopt Bitcoin in all its naked glory Grin
2516  Economy / Speculation / Re: MtGox will change their trading rules today, right? on: April 18, 2013, 09:52:21 PM
Wasn't Gox supposed to ditch its western users at some point in time?
2517  Economy / Speculation / Re: Lets say they try to make bitcoin illegal on: April 18, 2013, 09:48:49 PM
Because still BTC value is related to fiat, and they control fiat. We really need to break the loop and FORGET about fiat to have a chance, and this is not happening.

Not yet, anyway.  Until Bitcoin sees majority adoption in any given area, it'll stick with being valued against fiat, as opposed to fiat being valued against Bitcoin.
2518  Other / Off-topic / Re: What types of pressure cookers should be banned? on: April 18, 2013, 09:46:16 PM
we really need to make a thing out of this. bumper stickers yard signs the whole 9. Basically any time the anti-gun lobby creates some new slogan we need to replace the word gun with pressure cooker and copy it =D

I demand stickers!
2519  Economy / Economics / Re: Western Union & MoneyGram? on: April 18, 2013, 09:43:56 PM
In that case, you'd be missing out on the actual trading of Bitcoin; if you've ever used Gox, you would simply be making a "market order", and would purchase Bitcoin at the lowest asking price.  Not bad if you don't wanna fuck with exchanges, I suppose; I assume this is close to what Coinbase was doing before "sorry we're out of Bitcoin thank you come again"
2520  Economy / Speculation / Re: win-win (win) on: April 18, 2013, 09:27:39 PM
The ZEN of Bitcoin:

What's the sound of one hand speculating?

Something to the tune of fap fap fap (what's the non speculating hand supposed to do? Just lie there?)

I was just about to post this same thing Grin
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