dump a bit further plz
Careful what you ask for: This morning it got to the 27 level. I fear to go to sleep tonight... 27 would be great, I'll sleep very well if the price goes there Be sure to let us know at what level it would start to make you a wee bit uncomfortable, ok? |
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dump a bit further plz
Careful what you ask for: This morning it got to the 27 level. I fear to go to sleep tonight... |
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This is the dumbest conversation I ever heard in my life. lets get back to the community promoting Vericoin in different ways that was productive. No one gives a crap what someone is smoking he has the right to do whatever he wants, it is his body his property. He has done more for the coin you invested in then all of you combined. He served for this country, did you ? I like the picture idea near famous sites. That sounds great, statue of liberty would be the easiest for me.
You just dumbed it down. Significantly. (I am glad you understood, is dumbed a word ?) I am not goping to even qualify what you said about "serving" because it is so preposterous and inappropriate that I won't dignify it with elaboration. Others have quite eloquently in the past and for me that is that.
(I did not ask for your opinion on my comment so thank you for not elaborating.) But as for having "the right to do whatever he wants", in public and representing my money, no he doesn't, ok? (Not ok. The fact that you cannot stop me from going to the top of the empire state building and holding up a big weed leaf poster means I just might have the right to do whatever I want. I may not represent your money but it can be construed that I do by people such as yourself who do not know that only 3 people represent this particular coin.) <---- If you would like me to dumb this down some more for you let me know No he won't. If he's not capable of appearing professional in a public display of representation of my coin, he simply wont. Because if he does, it would be an embarrassment for a coin and a community... of which I wouldn't be part of. { Professional appearance defined by you ? Would you like to tell him what to wear and how to act, or maybe you can give him a class in thought control I heard that's getting popular. ROFL. I just do not understand how you have the time to sit around and complain about this silliness regarding a persona that is not you and who has repeatedly stated he does not represent YOUR coin. lol. You must be rich because I have no time to worry about things like this. Rent is due soon, utilities ... so I need to find more side work, I spend what little amount I could afford on this coin because after looking through all the rest this looked like the team and coin for me } No go looking for landmarks to photoshop with the logo as high as you want to be. You have every right. Just like you have to expose your bullshit here. And me to answer it in due course. It works both ways.
It looks here as though you felt as if you need to attack me by accusing me that I will photoshop my promotional picture ..... its all silliness to me, I will block you now because you clearly are fudding because if you were really were concerned about Vericoins image then you would act PROFESSIONALLY and contact the proper people instead of posting it on a free for all forum to create an negative image or impression regarding someone who has done more for this coin then you. You should be thanking him for all he has done with physical silver and other promotions instead of publicly trying to accuse him or humiliate him like I have seen other FUD dirtbags do .... but I do understand where you are coming from regarding Professionalism. You see I am on your side....... But you are not. I realize what you are saying, I am aware of what you are trying to say... and the answer is NO. |
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This was easily one of the best threads to read up on and post in, there was no bickering, now things have taken a turn it seems.
Can we quit arguing and get back to figuring out this whole POS transition and more?
"We"? who, the community? This is BK's coin. And BK has hired "Bitsa" to be the dev of the POS. Now, BK is a veteran of crypto and NAUT is supposed to be the fruit of all that experience. Initially, if I have it correct, NAUT was not going to be POS but now BK has decided that it will be (feel free to correct me when I am in error, please). And now, after the coin has lost between half and 2/3s of its value of earlier today, are we, the community, supposed to cook out the "transition and more"? OK... I'll add the little that I know: "Bitsa" seems to be a "for hire" developer that apparently was rejected by Gatti and Shogun47 in their botched attempt to get Libertycoin away from Carlor Torres Ferguson, the Mexican scam dev of Libertycoin -and many others scam coins-. Apparently, "Bitsa" didn't know how to operate the coin in practical terms for the attempt was only that, a failed attempt. And, ultimately, he just wanted money. Which is quite legitimate when you work and are capable of doing the job you are hired to do. It seems BK has deemed "Bitsa" capable of doing not just the "transition" but to actually be the dev of the POS part of NAUT. And BK should know, doesn't he? So we, the community, are suppose to "figure out" something? It looks to me that we are left with two very clear options: Either remain invested in NAUT and hope it rebounds and diminishes with it the losses OR we may cut those and just leave. But that is just me thinking, of course. |
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Come on, take money you earned with your TV career, and please buy back my coins. This is ridiculous.
Now now, you are here in this chapel and you are supposed to be quite happy about the events of the day, good karma and all that you know. This is the future you are talking about. What if you lost a few (hundreds or even thousands of) dollars, it's the future that counts. And this is going to revolutionize the world so what does it matter if you just had to endure a temporary loss, you should actually be happy because you lost what you could lose, otherwise you shouldn't have invested in the future to begin with... You know it is the new paradigm: You not only lose, you have to be and post happy about your loss. Otherwise you will be "fudding", you know... |
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@barabbas
The whole 'freedom is freedom' thing is kinda stupid here bud. We're human beings. We can do whatever we want, whenever we want, wherever we want. We are literally the embodiment of freedom. But what you are aiming at is some higher power preserving your right to do what you alone want.
Freedom isn't there to protect just you. It's not your personal plaything. That overly used 'muh freedumz' meme came about cause of that mentality.
You are free to take whatever actions you want. But actions have consequences. When those consequences aren't to your liking you can't just say 'muh freedumz' and make yourself in the right.
Huh? Time to move on indeed. |
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oh god, with the bullshit going on in this thread right now you would think people were trying to push the value down/
Well we seem to have found the bottom for now, but the price didn't need any help to go all the way down to 8500. From this forum or any other. Perhaps what it would help is to face up to the FACTS and, maybe, understand why a decline of over 2/3s of the price can happen on, theoretically, no news. The fact that Brian Kelly has hired a dev who happens to be a reject of the attempted-to-be-overtaken scam coin Liberty, may have played a part, I don 't know. Like I presume you and others I'm trying to make some sense of it and, since I just bought near the supposed bottom, I am way more interested -or at least as much- as anyone else here or anywhere in it to rebound as high as possible as quick as possible. It is simply that I do not believe that pretending that what has happened -and still happens- hasn't happened, is of any help in that regard. You, obviously, do. And by gosh, you are entitled. |
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This is the dumbest conversation I ever heard in my life. lets get back to the community promoting Vericoin in different ways that was productive. No one gives a crap what someone is smoking he has the right to do whatever he wants, it is his body his property. He has done more for the coin you invested in then all of you combined. He served for this country, did you ? I like the picture idea near famous sites. That sounds great, statue of liberty would be the easiest for me.
You just dumbed it down. Significantly. I am not goping to even qualify what you said about "serving" because it is so preposterous and inappropriate that I won't dignify it with elaboration. Others have quite eloquently in the past and for me that is that. But as for having "the right to do whatever he wants", in public and representing my money, no he doesn't, ok? No he won't. If he's not capable of appearing professional in a public display of representation of my coin, he simply wont. Because if he does, it would be an embarrassment for a coin and a community... of which I wouldn't be part of. No go looking for landmarks to photoshop with the logo as high as you want to be. You have every right. Just like you have to expose your bullshit here. And me to answer it in due course. It works both ways. |
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PoS Dev
I have spoken to the PoS dev and he has given me permission to introduce the community to him. The dev is Bitsta, you can often find him on IRC #bitlabs. He may also introduce himself on the thread.
Hope this helps.
-BK
freenode or something else? freenode Now that he isn't anonymous how about moving to the actual, moderated Naut IRC? As a matter of principle, I don't go to places where opinions can be censored, thank you. It's not censored. How do you know that? Every IRC can be censored. All of them. No thanks. |
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PoS Dev
I have spoken to the PoS dev and he has given me permission to introduce the community to him. The dev is Bitsta, you can often find him on IRC #bitlabs. He may also introduce himself on the thread.
Hope this helps.
-BK
freenode or something else? freenode Now that he isn't anonymous how about moving to the actual, moderated Naut IRC? As a matter of principle, I don't go to places where opinions can be censored, thank you. troll much? Really? from a Jr. member too... perhaps you should grow up a bit. Perhaps. |
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And that's why it is "moderated" (censored, in fact). They don't like your opinion, they ban you. End of story.
And that's the ONLY reason why VRC is not listed in THE WALL OF HONOR.
Censored is not the right word to use in this context. People are free to join the channel and say whatever it is they want to get off their chest. I myself was rather vocal in pointing out some of the disadvantages of the blockchain roll back. I didn't get kicked, or banned. People need to learn how to channel a debate, or discussion in an appropriate way. It's those who step over the proverbial line that may find themselves with a kick or ban. Nothing to do with the arguments they present, more to do with how they present them. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Freedom is freedom. Anything else, is just censorship under any other name you choose to assign to it. If someone "style" is not of your liking, you are always more than free to not engage. There's no such a thing as jungle with air conditioning, sorry. I don't disagree with you at all on that one actually. But freedom as we know it, doesn't exist without censorship in one form or another. If someone joined the IRC channel to spout xenophobic, homophobic or racist remarks - I would assume they'd rightly be banned. Of course, freedom of speech suggests they shouldn't. As much as it pains me to admit (and it really does), I believe certain levels of censorship are necessary in a moderately civilised society. I'm so shit at being libertarian sometimes. Again, we are going to disagree on that one too. Those offended should hit the "ignore" button and ceased to be offended instantly... without hindering the freedom of communication, in whatever terms they choose, of the rest. On IRC or anywhere else (there are legal limitations in the real world and even on the internet depending on the country you live in and the resources you are willing to spend in getting the matter shorted out, but that's the limit and should be the ONLY LIMIT). Those who cannot stand the heat should simply get away from the kitchen. If someone wants to make xenophobic, homophobic or racist remarks... or any other type of remarks, they have the right to do so. The rest have the ability to actually come back to him/her in whatever terms they consider appropriate or, the wiser ones, to ignore them altogether. That's how freedom works, not in ANY other way. In my head all of that makes total sense, and is something I subscribe to. In practice however, I could see society turning into Lord of the Flies in no time.... only with less conches. And that's why there are laws. But Lord of the Flies is, precisely, an excellent metaphor for what CENSORED forums and IRCS have become already, NOT the other way around. |
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About the smoking thing...
I don't care what you do in private. But if you somehow represent, PUBLICLY, my investment, you better don't smoke.
This is not a prerogative, this is a minimal, basic, requirement. You are in public representing, somehow, a public enterprise with real money, $6 million worth of it. Do you see anyone, anyone at all smoking ANYTHING on CNN? CNBC? anywhere public? It is a minimal showing of respect -as well as a definitive requirement by the network.
When you are alone, with your family, your friends, whatever... do as you please, but when you are representing people's money, learn to behave like a professional.
Or simply don't (represent it).
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And that's why it is "moderated" (censored, in fact). They don't like your opinion, they ban you. End of story.
And that's the ONLY reason why VRC is not listed in THE WALL OF HONOR.
Censored is not the right word to use in this context. People are free to join the channel and say whatever it is they want to get off their chest. I myself was rather vocal in pointing out some of the disadvantages of the blockchain roll back. I didn't get kicked, or banned. People need to learn how to channel a debate, or discussion in an appropriate way. It's those who step over the proverbial line that may find themselves with a kick or ban. Nothing to do with the arguments they present, more to do with how they present them. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Freedom is freedom. Anything else, is just censorship under any other name you choose to assign to it. If someone "style" is not of your liking, you are always more than free to not engage. There's no such a thing as jungle with air conditioning, sorry. I don't disagree with you at all on that one actually. But freedom as we know it, doesn't exist without censorship in one form or another. If someone joined the IRC channel to spout xenophobic, homophobic or racist remarks - I would assume they'd rightly be banned. Of course, freedom of speech suggests they shouldn't. As much as it pains me to admit (and it really does), I believe certain levels of censorship are necessary in a moderately civilised society. I'm so shit at being libertarian sometimes. Again, we are going to disagree on that one too. Those offended should hit the "ignore" button and ceased to be offended instantly... without hindering the freedom of communication, in whatever terms they choose, of the rest. On IRC or anywhere else (there are legal limitations in the real world and even on the internet depending on the country you live in and the resources you are willing to spend in getting the matter shorted out, but that's the limit and should be the ONLY LIMIT). Those who cannot stand the heat should simply get away from the kitchen. If someone wants to make xenophobic, homophobic or racist remarks... or any other type of remarks, they have the right to do so. The rest have the ability to actually come back to him/her in whatever terms they consider appropriate or, the wiser ones, to ignore them altogether. That's how freedom works, not in ANY other way. |
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PoS Dev
I have spoken to the PoS dev and he has given me permission to introduce the community to him. The dev is Bitsta, you can often find him on IRC #bitlabs. He may also introduce himself on the thread.
Hope this helps.
-BK
freenode or something else? freenode Now that he isn't anonymous how about moving to the actual, moderated Naut IRC? As a matter of principle, I don't go to places where opinions can be censored, thank you. |
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i have been there.. i am a big fan of this coin and hold some. if not for the fundamentals and devs i almost wanted to sell all because the community is not very friendly. irc is not moderated at times and people are rude, even to fellow vericoin members. sometimes, people can be loyal to a coin because of the community, so everyone, we have the same goal. let us try to tone it down a bit and be mindful.
my 2 cents
Actually I have no problem with socal at all, he is always helpful, not too mention the devs, they are absolute great, but I would completely agree with you that there are a few arrogant and assertive on the IRC channel. Most of the community members on IRC are very nice, helpful and supportive, but there are 2-3, unfortunately the most active are really arrogant assholes. If someone opinion's is different what those people believe the right opinion is then those ppl just simply can't control themselves. It shouldn't be like that. And that's why it is "moderated" (censored, in fact). They don't like your opinion, they ban you. End of story. And that's the ONLY reason why VRC is not listed in THE WALL OF HONOR. Those 2-3 elitist, arrogant makes the IRC channel a very unproductive place. No wonder 80-100 ppl logged in and only a very few communicate there. Those very few act like: we know what should be said, done and thought about vericoin so everyone who disagree just need to fuck off. I am not sure some of them just delusional, troll or just really that stupid. For example, one of the most loud and active says with every price swing, ah I made 0.8 BTC on a swing trade, and 5 minutes later he start to educate everyone that nobody should sell VRC because it goes to 100K. It happened at least 3 times in the last few weeks. Now, what potential investors think about such community, when the most active such an idiot. But sorry, I can't say investor, the investor word is also not welcomed there too, the other most active who believes in decentralized currencies, world, masturbation, pregnancy, etc., the guy is so ideological that he doesn't like investors and openly telling them that fuck of. Btw those ppl have been waiting for weeks what some random Chinese/Japanase tweet about some imaginative pump because they so desperate to dump at 50K their world saver VeriCoin. On the other hand investors who could make happen that 50K price aren't welcome here nor at the IRC channel. Actually even the devs say time to time that they are not concerned about investors, for example they said in the hangout that they are not concerned about the price, never mind 5 minutes before that they said they saved the currency with the fork because they were concerned about ppl investment, which two statements are completely contradictory just like I guess the whole direction is not clear lately. Sorry for the poor English, this is not my firsts language. Nothing to be sorry about. I find your post both eloquent and productive. And fair and measure too. You are wrong about something though: THIS is not a moderated thread and what you post, stays. The IRC, as we are now finding out (those of us who did not know before, like I did), is something else entirely. Unfortunately. |
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And that's why it is "moderated" (censored, in fact). They don't like your opinion, they ban you. End of story.
And that's the ONLY reason why VRC is not listed in THE WALL OF HONOR.
Censored is not the right word to use in this context. People are free to join the channel and say whatever it is they want to get off their chest. I myself was rather vocal in pointing out some of the disadvantages of the blockchain roll back. I didn't get kicked, or banned. People need to learn how to channel a debate, or discussion in an appropriate way. It's those who step over the proverbial line that may find themselves with a kick or ban. Nothing to do with the arguments they present, more to do with how they present them. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Freedom is freedom. Anything else, is just censorship under any other name you choose to assign to it. If someone "style" is not of your liking, you are always more than free to not engage. There's no such a thing as jungle with air conditioning, sorry. |
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PoS Dev
I have spoken to the PoS dev and he has given me permission to introduce the community to him. The dev is Bitsta, you can often find him on IRC #bitlabs. He may also introduce himself on the thread.
Hope this helps.
-BK
Nothing to comment about the loss of 2/3s or market cap in a couple hours? I have no idea who sold or why. I suspect folks are as frustrated as me - the primary difference is I have been buying over the last 24 hours. The larger buy orders on the exchanges are either me personally or the NSF. Thank you Brian. It doesn't seem precisely an endorsement of either as far as effectivity though. |
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PoS Dev
I have spoken to the PoS dev and he has given me permission to introduce the community to him. The dev is Bitsta, you can often find him on IRC #bitlabs. He may also introduce himself on the thread.
Hope this helps.
-BK
Nothing to comment about the loss of 2/3s or market cap in a couple hours? nobody is ever good enough for you when your investement is loosing value it seems. i looked at your profile and i clicked on 4 random pages and on every page is you claiming some theories and are very confrontational about coins, now i don't know much about you but from random clicking all i saw is you having problems with every thread you were on. crypto investments are risky and there is shitload of scams but there is also market movements and people exiting a lot of times, just cause you lost 3rd of your investment in naut nobody owes you any explanation. it's markets that are very volatile and stuff like this is expected I am also very small, rather hadsome, have a devastating running forehand and a great baritone voice, in case you did not find that out about me. I hope it helps you. |
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PoS Dev
I have spoken to the PoS dev and he has given me permission to introduce the community to him. The dev is Bitsta, you can often find him on IRC #bitlabs. He may also introduce himself on the thread.
Hope this helps.
-BK
Nothing to comment about the loss of 2/3s or market cap in a couple hours? |
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PoS Dev
I have spoken to the PoS dev and he has given me permission to introduce the community to him. The dev is Bitsta, you can often find him on IRC #bitlabs. He may also introduce himself on the thread.
Hope this helps.
-BK
A reject from LibertyCoin... Oh boy oh boy... Not it all makes sense... |
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