Nothing wrong with getting even more sophisticated in your approach or even adding trading and various financial instruments - whether they involve shitcoins or not.  I have never taken the position that you cannot make money on shitcoins or getting involved in various shitcoin systems, but in my thinking you still need to make sure that you are not getting too distracted with how you spend your time and your money.... the younger you are or maybe the more that you are interested in dabbling into various kinds of smoke and mirror topics, the more that you might be able to risk some of your bitcoin investment into various shitcoin projects - but I would also be careful of trying to consider them as anything even close to bitcoin - even if there might be a variety of ways to potentially increase your value by gambling and putting money into those various products. Seems to also go beyond the topic of this thread, for sure.

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I will agree with you about the part that it is really NOT easy to attempt to show someone that bitcoin is likely one of the most asymmetrical bet to the UPside that anyone can make while at the same time asserting that the person (audience) has to take complete responsibility for their own investment decisions.  

Sometimes, I am not sure if I am the one who has been dissuading my acquaintances in real life to invest in bitcoin because so few actually choose to either invest into bitcoin or even to investigate afterwards.  Actually when years go by, I can tell that my message had sunk in because frequently I am credited with "I should have listened to you, and invested into bitcoin when you told me x years earlier."  

So, then the assumption in the then current conversation becomes that bitcoin has already pumped up so much that it no longer makes sense to invest into bitcoin, and almost always, I say get started right away.. don't delay.. if you do not have any bitcoin, then figure out your finances and start buying BTC regularly.. even if it is ONLY a small amount, and do not get distracted with shitcoins.  Almost no one listens.  And, what can I do?  in some sense the audience (no coiner) needs to be ready, and I am not going to pressure the audience or attempt to twist their arm.

Their website seems to be have been down for some time.

I hope they fix the issue and continue as a viable option for those seeking to mix their Bitcoin.

I would like to use my money to buy Bitcoin, and HODL it. If I trade, I preferably use the Spot trading.

Honestly I lost money from margin and it is my painful experience. If there is risk of liquidation with option trading, I would like to say no with Option trading. Because I know that I can not manipulate the market and my prediction is not always accurate. If market moves negatively and down quickly and I don't control my position well enough, liquidation will knock me out.

As for Deribit, it is a good and original derivatives exchange. It is the best for option trading. As for security ... well, relatively. Options are derivatives, and like any derivatives, they are dangerous for any unprepared trader. They can be less risky than trading with leverage on margin (although if you use adequate leverage no more than x2, then the issue of risks becomes not so relevant). But the trader needs a good understanding of how to trade options in general. Although I wouldn’t advise ordinary speculators to go there, ordinary spot trading is better suited for this. Options are more used as a hedging tool.

We can agree to disagree, sure, but that doesn't stop me from arguing my point. I also don't see it as an exaggeration at all. In no other walk of life would we tolerate the crazy amounts of privacy invasion and censorship being forced on us by centralized exchanges, services, and some wallets. But for some reason when it comes to bitcoin, trying to protect even a shred of your privacy becomes taboo and the default option seems to be to open your entire life up to scrutiny by a bunch of complete strangers, which is the exact opposite of the ethos behind bitcoin.

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Of course, one of the presumptions that any of us make with either buying BTC on dips, or buying BTC on a regular basis no matter the cost (that is DCA) or even HODL strategies is that there is a bit of a presumption that in the long term, such as 4-10 years bitcoin prices are going to be higher than they are today or at least if you were to keep buying on a regular basis that the price of bitcoin is going to end up being higher than your costs.

There are no guarantees that the BTC price is going to go up in the long term, so in some sense if you are investing into BTC for the long term such as 4-10 years or longer, you should have some level of conviction or confidence in bitcoin as an asset.. and of course, no investments are guaranteed.  

If you do not have any kind of long term conviction about Bitcoin having decent chances of going up in price in the long term, then probably you should not be investing into bTC and perhaps you should find a better investment (or at least one that you are more comfortable and confident).

I answered "No" because it entered a bear market a long time ago and will never exit.

S2F is in the bin if we’re honest. Plan B was predicting all kinds of bullish prices which we got nowhere near. I followed him like a disciple for years but I don’t listen to anything he says now. He blocked me on Twitter also, for suggesting it’s time to retire S2F

Don’t get me wrong, we will reach $100,000 but it’ll be in 2024 or 2025 after the next halving.

Of course it's not his fault; it's your fault of not reading something properly. It was literally on the first post on the first page of this topic. It says the campaign will run for 2-3 weeks, so I'm glad it even went for a third week since it didn't seem guaranteed from the start.
You probably saw the '0.005 BTC / week' and stopped reading.

Does everyone see the contradiction in the bold highlighted part?
Wind_FURY; you care about your friends' funds, yet allow them to use a centralized exchange? How does that make any sense?

If the user is already neck deep in fully-KYCed zero-privacy zero-sovereignty bottom-of-the-barrel centralized exchanges like Coinbase, then I can completely understand where you are coming from. But as n0nce has correctly pointed out, the enemy here isn't the privacy protecting techniques and services; it is the centralized exchanges which are fighting against your basic rights.

If a grocery store said "You can't shop with us unless you provide us a copy of your bank statement", then no one would say "You better make sure you use a bank which provides PDF statements", but rather everyone would say "Don't use that store".
If an employer said "You can't work with us unless you provide us a copy of your entire internet browsing history", then no one would say "Make sure you never use incognito mode", but rather everyone would say "Don't work for that employer".
If a bank said "You can't open an account with us unless we can see all your online chat history", then no would say "Make sure you use insecure and unencrypted messaging apps", but rather everyone would say "Don't use that bank".

If an exchange says "You can't use us unless you provide a copy of all your documents and let us monitor all your financial dealings and transactions", then why do people say "Make sure you comply and don't use any privacy protecting techniques" rather than "Don't use that exchange"?

Civilizationally, China and Russia are absolutely alien to each other.

Russian children read novels by Frenchman Jules Verne, Scotsman Robert Lewis Stevenson, Englishman Daniel Defoe, Americans Harry Harrison and Robert Sheckley, Swede Astrid Lindgren, German Brothers Grimm.  They do not read Chinese fairy tales and novels.  

China is Russia's neighbor.  However, its volume of trade with Russia is only 3 percent.  

China's main trading partners are the US, the EU and Japan.  

China has the potential to occupy most of Russia.  From this step, he (perhaps) is kept only by the fact that the Russian Federation has nuclear weapons.  

China has no reason to quarrel with its main trading partners over Russia.  Strategically, it is important for China to weaken the economic and military power of Russia.  

In fact, Russia has already concluded long-term agreements with China on the sale of cheap gas and the supply of timber.  What else can Russia give to China?

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There is no danger. Why is everyone always so afraid of everything? You're in Bitcoin and believe in free (as in freedom), anarchistic money, in decentralization and in no authorities but you let a random American company tell you that some coins are better than others and let them decide which ones are?

This is fucked. If you believe this and if you tell people this stuff, you're actually working against everything Bitcoin stands for and siding heavily with authoritarian, oppressive companies and organizations that wish nothing more than controlling every single thing you do, buy, everywhere you go, who you interact with and even what you think.