Oh and Patrick I am going to go ahead and challenge that, since you mention it. I just don't believe you. Oh, you may have one wallet to your name that hasn't sold any coins, that's easy. But I am quite sure you have one or several more. Either under your name of the names of others but on your behalf. And I am quite sure you won't respond for the other members of the team but I am going to choose to believe that they also dumping a significant amount of coins last night. It would have been quite stupid not to dump some at the very least, and I know you guys are not stupid, I grant you that.

Color me skeptical.

People's perceptions are not of my incumbence.

It is regrettable that your stupid considerations cannot be diminished by an attitude that reinforces their quality. To each his own.

No Patrick, as a matter of fact I know -and have posted so- the thread is not moderated; the IRC is. Fully censored. I must have expressed myself poorly about this for you to have that misunderstanding.

It isn't "brainwashed" or whatever", it is quite clearly stated what it is in my post as well as the entry in THE WALL OF SHAME. And, of course, I know you would have blocked me if you could. It is part and parcel of what has become, obviously, part of a very shady -and in the real world, criminal- modus operandi.

Perhaps from now on you would think a bit more before posting -not to mention before taking dubious "deals"-, and pay more attention to potential repercussions not just for you but also for your team associates reputations. What just happened and continues happening here is much more serious than what you seem to envision and has affected already quite a bit of people and will continue affecting many others. To not expect obvious consequences, is just plain lack of common sense and foresight.

Enjoy!

As a follow up to the previous entry, I posted this on the Vericoin thread after fully confirming all the points posted above:

As I posted on THE WALL OF SHAME, confirmation, on every regard, has come quickly enough. The Black Hand has used the exact same footprint and "modus operandi" already in Vericoin as they used -and continue using- in Blackcoin. Blackcoin is actually more or less done for averyone knows by know the money will eventually be squeezed from them fully, little bits at a time, all the way to the end. But The Black Hand has made a killing in BC and, obviously, is branching out. Vericoin is, of course, a new field where they envision similar profits or even higher than those they reaped on Blackcoin.

Patrick, I know you have read everything I have written about The Black Hand. I know you are not ignorant. And I know that you know, in the real world, this kind of behavior sends you to jail, despite any claims you may propose of ignorance as to their motives and actual involvement. Let me put it to you in plain English so you cannot keep on pretending to not understand: It is perfectly ok, and unavoidable, that The Black Hand or any other organized groups, would attempt to manipulate the market of Vericoin. Nothing, really that you can -or should- do about it. The problem is that you are PART AND PARCEL of the scheme by allowing them not just co-operation but full access to inside information. If Joel Bosch "helps" you broker a deal with a PR firm, you surely know that he helped, similarily, broker the deal with Blackcoin/Morituri13/Dognip for the PR firm also. And you know, because you have read, the specific and quite detailed charges made on not just that but overall Bosch's and Morituri13/dognip implications. By accepting their "brokerage" you are, in fact, sanctioning The Black Hand's access to inside information in Vericoin, exactly the opposite of what a new, promising coin with a clean reputation, should be doing which is rejecting ANY and ALL relationship with a coin, and organized crime group and some shady specific individuals whose antics have been detailed widely all over these forums, including the first, unmoderated one of them. Same thing applies to the "little game" you share with Yevgeniy and StGNU.

In other words Patrick, tempting as it obviously is -and quite profitable your dumping of last night-, you cannot handle shit and pretend to avoid the stink.

Of course for so many investors in Vericoin the rush of last night would be like a drug they just cannot leave in hopes for a repeat so they will be the ones dumping near the top rather than being left holding the bag, like it already happened. Well, up to you gents, but be aware that you are playing with the bulls now, swimming with the sharks. And you WILL get the horns.

What a shameful pity, only made worse by the clumsy and absurd attempts at denial...

As I posted on THE WALL OF SHAME, confirmation, on every regard, has come quickly enough. The Black Hand has used the exact same footprint and "modus operandi" already in Vericoin as they used -and continue using- in Blackcoin. Blackcoin is actually more or less done for averyone knows by know the money will eventually be squeezed from them fully, little bits at a time, all the way to the end. But The Black Hand has made a killing in BC and, obviously, is branching out. Vericoin is, of course, a new field where they envision similar profits or even higher than those they reaped on Blackcoin.

Patrick, I know you have read everything I have written about The Black Hand. I know you are not ignorant. And I know that you know, in the real world, this kind of behavior sends you to jail, despite any claims you may propose of ignorance as to their motives and actual involvement. Let me put it to you in plain English so you cannot keep on pretending to not understand: It is perfectly ok, and unavoidable, that The Black Hand or any other organized groups, would attempt to manipulate the market of Vericoin. Nothing, really that you can -or should- do about it. The problem is that you are PART AND PARCEL of the scheme by allowing them not just co-operation but full access to inside information. If Joel Bosch "helps" you broker a deal with a PR firm, you surely know that he helped, similarly, broker the deal with Blackcoin/Morituri13/Dognip for the PR firm also. And you know, because you have read, the specific and quite detailed charges made on not just that but overall Bosch's and Morituri13/dognip implications. By accepting their "brokerage" you are, in fact, sanctioning The Black Hand's access to inside information in Vericoin, exactly the opposite of what a new, promising coin with a clean reputation, should be doing which is rejecting ANY and ALL relationship with a coin, and organized crime group and some shady specific individuals whose antics have been detailed widely all over these forums, including the first, unmoderated one of them. Same thing applies to the "little game" you share with Yevgeniy and StGNU.

In other words Patrick, tempting as it obviously is -and quite profitable your dumping of last night-, you cannot handle shit and pretend to avoid the stink.

Of course for so many investors in Vericoin the rush of last night would be like a drug they just cannot leave in hopes for a repeat so they will be the ones dumping near the top rather than being left holding the bag, like it already happened. Well, up to you gents, but be aware that you are playing with the bulls now, swimming with the sharks. And you WILL get the horns.

What a shameful pity, only made worse by the clumsy and absurd attempts at denial...

Added: And now, get ready for the full Black Hand croonies army starting with the ad hominens to dilute the potential effects. Bring it on!

Anoxy, the "idea" (proposal, rather) has been withdrawn already, it is not up for consideration any longer.

The slogan of the whole campaign was THINK BIG. THINK PINK. And that, obviously is not something everyone is capable of. You obviously are entitled to your opinion but considering that I don't know who you are and I have decades worth of international media experience, I believe I am entitled to make "predictions" -to the extent that were made- that are anything but "outrageous". As for the ability of my plan to influence politics, again, you prove to have a very small concept of what was implied in the plan and outright lack of knowledge in the matter. For your illustration, results in the US at the State level and also at the National level, are not just influenced but wholly determined by the votes of a few in the minorities... precisely the natural niche target constituency of Pink, "the good guys coin". Not to mention the obvious: Women and Gay and Lesbian communities. Most decisively, the so far practically untapped Latino market which my plan contemplated to fully and decisively target, in their own language. Again, ignorance doesn't equal criticism, just arbitrary ramblings, sorry.

I really don't want to get worked out by ignorant posts, I want to remain above such. And it is taking quite a big effort on behalf of Pink and a community and leadership that I admire and respect as repeatedly evidenced, but I have to really point out the "seems a bit shady" gratuitous consideration. In which way exactly? From the get go, I have publicly stated that I a) will not touch a cent of donations personally and b) that part of the proposal would have needed to be carried out by the trusted members of the dev team, more specifically, Cayce. What is the "shady" part of it, specifically? It seems to me quite idiotic and outright offensive to me personally to post such stupidity and, if you don't mind, I demand a retraction from you. And an apology.

You continue on to praise other efforts, including "kudos" to people who "write articles"... No one, so far, has written any articles about Pinkcoin that I know of. Those guys posting stuff about Pinkcoin on their blog, are not writing any articles, they are publishing their pandering claims instead. You surely must know what is journalism or "article writing" and plain outright pandering pleas to obtain requested donations. It is about time to really think Pink, be nice and BE TRUTHFUL. The philosophy of Pink also implies  responsibilities toward truth and honesty, otherwise we risk "seeming a bit shady".

Thank you Cayce for your answer. A simple no would have sufficed and saved quite a bit of unnecessary budgeting and considerations but I indeed appreciate the time and effort you invested in your post.

Since, obviously, without the full, generous, dedicated and enthusiastic support of the dev team, it could not possibly be carried out, the proposal is, as of right now, withdrawn.

A few considerations though, I want to make perfectly clear for future reference:

1.- I don't accept donations. When I listed Pinkcoin as the first and so far only entry in my WALL OF HONOR, you generously offered and I repeatedly declined. I also stated clearly in the interest of full disclosure, that I was not invested at the time in Pinkcoin and that I planned to buy a modest stake in the future... which I eventually did.

2.- Consequently, I will never receive donations from the community. The proposal was contingent on you, specifically, being the individual in charge of those community donations and purchase of materials and other expenses, while I wouldn't have access to a single penny, other than payment for my services.

3.- As pointed out to you in the PMs, although the math was not the final definitive numbers, the approximation called for a significant investment by the community. The % could be more (likely) or less (unlikely) than the 16+% you calculate. The scope of the project is what it is and, under ANY and ALL measures, the price tag is minimal in fact, under ANY and ALL measures, I repeat. Once again, as stated in the PM, it was a decision which called to go for having less coins in your wallets, but potentially much more valuable, or remain stagnant and continue being a nice coin but one more in a very crowded environment.

4.- I believe that to achieve results people need -and deserve- to be paid. It's a labor philosophy -I am a Union man- that through my professional life I have found it works. While volunteerism is great, you cannot rightfully expect -much less demand- dedication from people if you don't pay them for their work. In this regard it is of interest to mention that the proposed 3 million pink to be paid to every organizer in every city amounts to 1.5 BTC, at current rate around $800, which I find beyond modest consideration for what would have been, among many other things, a job of several days implicating at minimum two other people, plus transports and expenses, and photography-videography expenses, plus actual contact to local media and local merchants. That on a city-by-city basis. Like I said, I believed it is an insignificant consideration -but enough to be able to demand compliance with directions AND results-. Obviously my "selling point" to them would have been their actual investment in pinkcoin which, as a result, would rise the price of that payment AND convert them and all their friends to our culture and promotion of Pinkcoin. All in all, getting for the minimal investment spades, literally, in return. Win-win and then win, situation.

5.- As the organizer of the Hollywood event, I would have been the recipient of those 3 million coins myself, on top of the requested 15 million. Again, 15 million, at current fiat rate, would amount to 7.5 BTC or, more or less, just over $4,000. That is not just minimum payment for the work planned that would require not only to guide and organize the strategy and logistics of the WORLD PINK DAY, weeks of it, but literally many hundreds of calls, meetings, reports and many other miscellaneous activities not only for the specific worldwide event but also for the future subsequent promotional activities of Pinkcoin. Specifically it would imply, also, the creation and maintenance of a real Facebook page, which we don't have except nominally, therefore alienating and not making any use of the biggest community in the world, an Instagram account, and a PINK Channel on YouTube. That besides, of course, collecting and promoting whatever (regular) media coverage was achieved -I expected a significant amount- to include in a promotional dossier that, in future endeavors -including WORLD PINK DAY 2015, would have granted us plenty of sponsorships. In the very short run, the event was designed not only to pay for itself in spades by outright influencing the price of the coin in the market but also, and more importantly, by achieving numerous specific sponsorships going from the PinkChannel (direct advertising) to the actual banners and subsequent events by both organizations and manufacturers, never mind the actual massive inflow of new adopters, both as users/investors and, most particularly, as merchants accepting payment in Pinkcoin in the top cities of the planet.

6.- Again in my experience, the whole modest budget was a minimal necessity for any progress to be achieved. You cannot approach, for instance, the worldwide marketing director of Avon Cosmetics with a half-assed, volunteer proposal of a not funded event anywhere. Well, actually you probably can but I guarantee you  you will never pass the assistant of his/her assistant level and obtain a polite "pass". It's the difference between serious and professional and amateurish and unreliable. Serious companies don't take chances. My proposal included to expected sponsorship of pretty big companies at the international and at the local levels.

In conclusion, I believed I presented a very, very modest budget for a huge worldwide event of enormous proportions and repercussions, both in the very short term and much more so with a farther future vision. I welcome the challenge by anyone, anyone at all, to try to pull it off  in whatever measure and by whatever means and, as an investor in Pinkcoin, would be glad to support such effort with enthusiasm myself. The proposal is effectively withdrawn, but the idea and even some guidance specifics, remain there for anyone who wants to carry it out. I definitely encourage everyone in this community to THINK BIG. THINK PINK.

A good idea, and proposal, is a terrible thing to waste.

Thank you and best always.

First of all, lets make this perfectly clear: I have no indication whatsoever that there was anything wrong, in the way of scams, with Vericoin. As a matter of fact the only obstacle to list Vericoin in the WALL OF HONOR was the fact that their thread is censored and much more censored their IRC,. Also as a matter of fact, not only I have traded Vericoin quite successfully in the recent past but I also hold, at the time of this writing, what I consider a significant investment in it.

Most of the previous considerations held true... until the dawn of June 25 when, continuing an upside trend of significance, Vericoin experimented a huge pump of almost 80% to a high above 46000 sat (on Cryptsy... peculiarly the high was just 38666 on Mintpal. The subsequent dump -both on huge volume- took it down to 25/26 on Mintpal and Cryptsy respectively. "It is just another pump & dump instance", you say? well, color me a bit skeptical if you will for I believe I have circumstantial evidence that points to an infiltration of The Black Hand in Vericoin. You know, the infamous Black Hand of Blackcoin that I have uncovered (not that they were precisely hiding their activities, more like brag about them by the visible leader of the gang, Morituri13/Dognip).

This P&D has the footprints of the so many times repeated scheme on Blackcoin that, to me, reveals a clear modus operandi. But lets forget about the gut feeling and go with the evidence: We all know, since a couple days ago, who the developers of Vericoin are: Two students from Rutgers University and one ex- Rutgers alumni who works as a programmer for Microsoft, Open Drive division. These guys had no connection whatsoever with Blackcoin, right? Well, not quite. One of them Patrick Nosker, has expressed and posted "appreciation" of Blackcoin... not exactly something he has dispensed towards other competing coins. Besides, I believe they have somehow adopted for Vericoin some of the features of Blackcoin. What they have shared with Blackcoin, for sure, is an investing game which is the brainchild of Eugene (Yevgeniy) Rokhlin  and his associate St.Gnu, both owners of the Blackcoin multipool, and both core members of the dev team at Blackcoin as well as their foundation. Nothing in itself suspicious at all, right?

But there's more. A certain Joel Bosh, better known as a Howie Mandel look-and-copied-style-alike, Puerto Rican of Cuban parents and owner of a clothing company in Miami, known in crypto for some of his handles, such as WizFarm and WizRig, as well as for being instrumental and host of the Blackcasts of Blackcoin, is all of a sudden all over the place not just promoting Vericoin but also "brokering" deals for them. Now Bosch is Black Hand I'm pretty sure, and he is also a Miami resident... coincidentally the city where both Blackcoin and Vericoin just have happened to contract separate PR agencies to promote their respective coins. Furthermore, I believe Morituri13/Dognip actually works for the one that Blackcoin contracted and that was visited by the infamous Soepkip in flowery pants. Soepkip posed at the entrance of the PR firm with none other than a very formally at-work-dressed Morituri13/Dognip. So, same deal, different firm, same location, same commission for Bosch? I can't know for sure at this stage, but all of these circumstances point very clear to me towards one direction. And it is ALWAYS, WHERE THE MONEY IS. And the money is in the P&Ds, same exact formula than the one used so many times, successfully, in Blackcoin.

So what is what I call The Black Hand or La Mano Nera? Well, in the real world, they would have been thrown in jail a long time ago for what they do is organized crime, pure and simple. Oh not strong arming anyone for "protection", mind you, but the newer version of insider trading which, in crypto, means to actually decide the actions and strategies to procure the most profitable pump and dump schemes, from the time and place of the investments of the "mined" proceedings to the creation of The Black Shield to dump into it under the pretension that it's a tool to try and stabilize the price. In the warped world of crypto, this type of activity is not just condoned or ignored by the BC community, but it is even something to brag about. And brag he (morituri13/Dognip) did, posting on the original BC thread that they were "a group of investors, without formal contract, just some papers signed". This "group of investors" is the one facilitating the unload of the millions of coins premined by Yevgeniy and his associates, designing the strategy and donating significant amounts towards the contract of BC with Morituri13's PR firm, and also donating the Titan drawn for the benefit of Yevgeniy and St.GNU's pool, among many other deeds.

There are other "groups of investors" manipulating crypto markets, of course. The difference is that The Black Hand operates from the inside, with not just access to inside information, all the information, but also actually designing the overall strategy. Quite a big difference indeed. The difference between freedom and jail in the real world.

Has The Black Hand infiltrated Vericoin? I cannot know for sure. You will have to be the judge.

 

Pinkcoin brings so much to the table. It isn't just a color it is a color ASSOCIATED with all that is good, noble, fair and nice in the world. The color of "the good guys of crypto": We, the Pinkcoin community. THINK BIG. THINK PINK.

Well Steve, thank you for the respect but, likewise, I don't believe you really chose a comparative that can apply, even remotely. DOGE sponsoring a nascar that doesn't even place provides a minimal exposure of something the world population knows nothing about. Bringing Pinkcoin to the world that doesn't know what crypto is, much less Pinkcoin, is something entirely different. It comes with cards that are valued in money, crypto money. They will download, install and use wallets with money in them, quite a different proposition that watching a dog face painted in a car that never got anywhere and the 99.99% of the people who actually spotted it, wouldn't even give a second thought to it.

The media, some of it, will publish stories about the event and explain what it is to the curious readers that  have no idea about it. Merchants would actually be contacted and offered bounties for accepting Pink payments. Organizations across the globe, such as as clothing, jewelry, beauty products and much more, will be contacted, along with others such as women organizations, professionals and not, gay and lesbian organizations... the list is endless. There will be tennis tournaments sponsored in association with the WTA and other foreign federations... Anyway it is way too vast for you to compare it to put a doggie face on an obscure nascar vehicle. It's, I'd say, another world entirely.

But, of course, you are entitled to your own opinion, everyone is. But just think about this: Do you think that it could rise the price of Pink by 20%? If that is the case, it will mean an instant gain of 73 million Pinks for a cost probably around there when all is said and done. Everything else, in way of prestige, popularity and subsequent benefits, will be gravy for free.

But perhaps you prefer just do nothing and let it gain adoption by itself, there are all kinds of thinking, of course. And all are valid.

Corroborating that you are just a coward piece of shit worth 25 cents at most on a good day. Get lost loser.

That is correct. I would not come even remotely close of one single cent from you or any donors. Any donations will go to Cayce and he will provide my payments, the required materials and everything else. He will be in charge, control and responsible for, whatever balance, not me. See, trust is not needed at all.

Simple, isn't it? Simpler yet: Not interested? No donation whatsoever. As you can see the numbers are rather large considering the market cap of the community. If there's no full support across the entire community -or at least the 100 top holders- it simply won't happen. Up to all of you.

Oh let me add that a project the size the one I have in mind, including the WORLD PINK  DAY, by far exceeds anything  IE is even capable of imagining, let alone carry out. This is no cheesy Wall Street walk with escorts. This is many times that -much classier, of course- with a build up, worldwide media coverage and subsequent promotion, just to start. This is simply HUGE.

Your terms cowardly idiot is that I go to Texas? hot air and shit, that's what you are. And a coward.
Put the money, 3 BTC (or more) and I do what you wanted me to do. Within the hour. Otherwise, I won't waste one more minute of my time on you. End of story.

I venture that you don't have even 0.3 BTC to your name.

You are reading something obviously too big for you. you need to THINK BIG. THINK PINK, to start. But, for once you summed it up quite correctly. July 20th though WAS -and would remain for the time being- a target date at the time the PM was sent. It may or may not be the definitive date, but time being of essence, it will be quite close to that one.

Additionally, for the rest, WORLD PINK DAY is conceived as a YEARLY event, not just a one-time one.

You are a poor, pathetic individual with a huge complex. Pityful and minimal. Worry not: It is not very likely I will post much here if indeed the thread is self-moderated.

You don't need me to punctuate your inevitable self-embarrassment, you do a stellar job of it yourself.

Thank you. Counting on it.

Final chance: You want me to prove I am not IE. I have offered to do it, in a matter of hours, for the cost more or less similar that you proposed. It's either 3 BTC or 2 BTC. Or whatever above that you choose. You cowardly idiot are in or out? There's no ifs, no buts and most definitely no more jerking off. Either put up or shut up.

So yet another Libertycoin thread. This one is, again, self-moderated or legitimate?

No one has named Shogun47 as "Community Manager", no one. And I for one know of no one LESS qualified for it. Any other options?

And, more importantly, once again -since you enable the success of the first- Templar77/Carlos is challenging the proposed "fork" that would take him away, finally and for good, from Libertycoin. How and when are you going to do it? Will the entry about the 2 trillion coins be changed in the code of the forked Libertrycoin? Will the new wallets eliminate the former coins and you guys will provide an exchange for new ones? Exactly how are you going to go about it?

Most important is answering the first question for if it is self moderated, i.e.: censored, the whole thing is just a scam on top of the previous one.

You will get a clearer understanding of who these people are if you visit THE WALL OF SHAME right here in announcement of Bitcointalk. Further even if you look for my posts on several threads uncovering the outright scams of Blackcoin and Libertycoin as well as many others, and the many flaws and excessive hype of some coins such a Cinni, Caix and Vericon. I have declared war on the bad guys of crypto and that is bound to bring with it plenty of enemies for obvious reasons... as well as the support of many others, of course. These are the former. As I am sure you know, hearing the truth in crypto is uncommon and always provokes hatred on some individuals.

Anyway, I have presented my proposal. I don't want nor need trust. And haters, as far as I am concerned, are welcome here where, according to some of the devs, "we turned them around with plain niceness".

To be perfectly honest, this plan requires from me a huge effort and sustained work for quite a long time and if it is not enthusiastically supported, IO much rather not do it. But it is a historic opportunity that far outreaches the confines of crypto and I feel I should present it to the Pink community. It is their decision.