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2841  Local / Off-Topic (Deutsch) / Re: ISO Code on: March 07, 2013, 12:10:53 PM
Es gibt unterschiedliche Arten, wie man Werte handeln kann. Es existieren sogar eigene Börsen an denen NUR mit quasi wertlosen Papieren oder Scamfirmen gehandelt wird: "pink sheets".

Ich weiß nicht genau, ob BTC (oder "XBT") dann an Forexbörsen gehandelt werden würde oder eher am Rohstoffmarkt oder irgendwas dazwischen ("Bitgold"?). So lange es aber keinen wirklichen Standard gibt um die Coins überhaupt zu benennen und bei der Standard- und Zertifizierungsverliebtheit der Bankindustrie wäre irgendein ISO Code sicher SEHR hilfreich - und sei es nur, um endlich mal in GNUcash auch BTC-Konten anlegen zu können.
2842  Economy / Services / Re: Gigamining / Teramining on: March 07, 2013, 11:25:56 AM
Also note how "a lot of people" have claimed, yet no(!) numbers have been given out at all, how many of the outstanding shares were claimed and how many shareholders did claim so far.
2843  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Playable Alpha: USD/BTC binary options market on: March 07, 2013, 10:09:25 AM
Well, it might be a bit complicated to bet here, also after the first few rounds of payouts it might be the case that people gain confidence in you.

If I understand it correctly, your "magic sauce" that makes sure you don't loose money in the longer run is the probability ("base wager") for each of the slots that you need to somehow estimate correctly. Then you add a 2% commission on these probabilities, so if you're 100% correct in your predictions, you earn 2% in the long run.

How will you make sure your predictions are correct and if you are, why don't you just use your own coins or dollars on other option markets?

2844  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Tiny optimization? on: March 07, 2013, 09:47:37 AM
There's a lot of open source mining software and this optimization is most likely part of all of them. Check out the mining software forum! Smiley
2845  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [BETA]Bitfinex - Meta-Exchange and margin trading on: March 07, 2013, 09:35:17 AM
My guess is that they redeem the code at MtGox and then credit your account (at least that's how I'd do it) - probably it's not very easy at the moment to interact with MtGox at all.
2846  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [ANN] Fast blockchain C++ parser w/ source code on: March 07, 2013, 02:26:47 AM
Well, in theory it should be possible to let this run on Windows as well... in practice however I've only managed to compile boost and am still fighting with sparsehash as well as openssl and it's dependencies (openssl wants perl for example).

Sparsehash also seems to really not like to be compiled with MingW... Let's see if I give up and just install a VM on my big machine, because my small Linux Atom nettop probably will choke to death on the hash tables. Sad
2847  Economy / Securities / Re: [Cryptostocks] Bitbond 200Gh/s 105% PPS mining bond - Relaunched on: March 06, 2013, 08:39:14 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141139.0;all - "amazing"rando tried to explain the current situation 1 month ago. Since then, silence... Angry
2848  Local / Mining (Deutsch) / Re: Solo oder Pool ? on: March 06, 2013, 08:22:24 PM
Strom und Internet, je nach Miningmethode auch noch einen Full-Node (bitcoind).
Ja.
Jein, vermutlich entzünden die sich nicht gerade spontan (oder spontaner als jeder andere PC der eben ein paar 100 Watt aus der Dose nuckelt) und würden eher "abrauchen" - wenn man es aber drauf anlegt schafft man es sicher auch die Dinger abzufackeln (z.B. in einer mit Benzin gefüllten Wanne betreiben, "unabsichtlich" an den Starkstrom anschließen + mit Wasser begießen...)
2849  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [BETA]Bitfinex - Meta-Exchange and margin trading on: March 06, 2013, 08:14:07 PM
Well, I guess bitfinex has a safety margin (say 10% of an order) - so unless there is a jump higher that this margin in one point of time (possible, but at current depth not too likely) closed positions won't end up at 0 but at safety_margin-epsilon.

Also now for the first time my 20 BTC have been lent out at once and a LOT of BTC lending offers were taken - seems like somone thinks the ceiling is reached.

Edit: BTC VIR still shifted from ~14% to 9% within a few hours. Either somebody dumped a big load of coins for really low percentages on the market and they were immediately gobbled up or something funny is going on there...
2850  Other / Off-topic / Re: Blockchain analysis of BTCS&T deposits? on: March 06, 2013, 11:40:28 AM
Well, I wanted to and have collected some pointers, but then I decided to close that chapter for good and not waste more time on that. If there is some bounty (in escrow!), I guess that might motivate people to step forward and actually do the work.

He didn't seem to be too smart with laundering money and so on (payouts from his mining operation came from the same wallet pirate deposits were made to), so there might be a chance that some information can be recovered.
2851  Economy / Securities / Re: Crypto-trade.com coming online soon : 50% of shares going to be public! on: March 06, 2013, 11:33:23 AM
So you cannot do a forced buyback, but you could just hold on to the coins from the IPO, crash the company (or get "hacked"), buy back at low market rates and walk away?

All in all you want to get:
2000 + 2000 (in LTC) + 2500 + 3000 + 3500 BTC = 13k BTC for:
Quote
Assets of the listing:
The listed will
- Own the source code, Design and texts contents
- Own the domain name
- Own 16 cores server to run the website
- Own a percentage of monthly profits
- Own a right to vote for new decision, via motions/opinions system

What's your current and projected income, your current and projected expenses?
Why don't you tell us who your competitor (there's only a single one(?!) and it would easily be placed amongs the top 5 markets on http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/) is and how you got to know these numbers (which vary by 100%)?
If you only sell 10k shares, do they still get 50% of the income?
2852  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Poll regarding rounding of Bitcoin amounts in clients on: March 06, 2013, 11:16:29 AM
Well, then do it.

Sorry, but the only real way to see how users are going to react ("I bought 200 USD of these 'Bitcoins' and now the USD value in my software jumps!") is to try it out. I personally think it will be a horrible user experience (especially in a moving market and then especially in a downward moving market!) and interestingly these ideas often come up in this forum during rally periods, not during "recessions" in BTCUSD prices.

To display prices in BTC there are easy ways, for example update a general conversion number every hour or so and state that the final price will be calculated + displayed at checkout, including shipping, taxes and whatnot. Also you can just give higher estimates in prices (I guess your goods will be priced in USD) and promise that at checkout the price will be the same or less. With such unstable conversion rates, it is hard anyways to get "used to" any kind of BTC price - a few months ago a BTC bought a single cheap meal at McD, now it can buy a quite nice candle light dinner for 2 and who knows what it'll buy in 2 months from now. It's not like customers are used to seeing prices in BTC and immediately think "wow, this is cheap" without calculating the USD price anyways.

The topic is still how to overcome the problem, that 1 BTC is now not something that's easily spent in dozens any more and how to solve display issues to make it still "processable" for humans (it is hard to see + immediately know a price if it has a bunch of 0s in it).

So far solitions include:
* Move the decimal seperator (e.g. 1 BTC = 1000 mBTC), because it is easier for humans to process large numbers, they espect max. 2 digits after the decimal seperator for currencies and thousands are often grouped, making it more legible.
* Round to the nearest X decimals, because even though it is not an exact value, it makes it easier to process and read and most transactions might not be about spending everything down to the last satoshi.
* Use the floor function instead of rounding (and maybe display the omitted decimals in smaller script and/or colour), this makes sure you can definitely spend everything that is displayed while still keeping the decimals at a comfortable level.
* Display the balance in a different currency alltogether, because users will spend most BTC for things priced in USD anyways and it makes transitioning as well as usage easier if you have already some well known and common elements in place.
* Do nothing, everything is fine and maybe BTC crashes anyways, so the problem is only temporary.
2853  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Poll regarding rounding of Bitcoin amounts in clients on: March 06, 2013, 10:07:33 AM
Even with (compared to BTC nearly static) fiat currencies this would cause a LOT of uproar. Just download a year worth of Forex data and then act as if your USD account displayed its values in EUR instead (or the other way round). Suddenly your balance is different every minute, you cannot tell how much you'll earn and spend any more until you actually do so...
2854  Economy / Economics / Re: BTC @ 47.61 = 1B$ ? Should bitcoin market cap include the bitcoins to be mined ? on: March 06, 2013, 09:58:15 AM
right now:

Total BTC   10,862,000 BTC
Wrong. that would only be true if every miner took the full coinbase since the genesis block. They didn't, so some coins have never been mined.

Edit: As of block 224528, we have 10863209.57728951 coins mined
2855  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is crashing on: March 06, 2013, 09:50:44 AM
GO SHORT, ABANDON SHIP!!!!111!12

 Roll Eyes

In other news, this belongs into speculation (if at all in this forum...)
2856  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin crashes at $51.5 on: March 06, 2013, 09:45:26 AM
Open a well formulated bet on betsofbitco.in for that and put a LOT of money (3 digit BTC sum at least) towards your prediction!
2857  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Heute gabs eine 1 Mio US$ Transaktion on: March 05, 2013, 07:04:07 PM
Eventuell holt auch einfach nur MtGox ein paar coins aus dem cold storage raus...  Roll Eyes
2858  Economy / Services / Re: Gigamining / Teramining on: March 05, 2013, 11:42:59 AM
You could theoretically also simply lie in your claim and claim that you owned these shares (that you bought on the "black market") were from a second GLBSE account with a different e-mail of yours. You then get these shares added to your account as the seller just forwards your claim through his/her mail address and everybody is happy. Roll Eyes

As long as you don't try to combine dozens of "your" accounts, I guess that might work without too much hassle. Anyways, I still want to claim my 4 shares but even with 40 USD per coin nowadays it is NOT even covering the expected payout over the next few years of a perpetual share and definitely not the expected payout of a limited time "Teramining" contract.
2859  Economy / Services / Re: Gigamining / Teramining on: March 04, 2013, 10:18:52 PM
Also there are other, cheaper ways (digital signature!) to proove who you are. Gigavps has not responded and only delays/waits.
2860  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Campaign for XBT. A new ISO Currency Code is required for Bitcoin on: March 04, 2013, 06:01:13 PM
Setting up a secure Bitcoin wallet is probably much cheaper than anything else they do - and probably they anyways have a few Bitcoiners amongst their IT staff at least.

Maybe one step at a time. So far we have 2 serious possibilities (next to the alternative IANA registry): Lobby in Bhutan to somehow get them to apply on Bitcoin's behalf for "BT - C" or lobby at SIX in Switzerland to get one of the "X - __" codes, depending on if they still want to keep the "XB_" line for potential future EU options they might or might not even consider "XBT".

My fears are that there is no definite check list that a currency has to fulfill to be listed in that ISO list (rather something along the lines of "We know a currency when we see it") so it might be very hard to get in there as there could be just an irrational "No" as answer. It might be worth it however to have the Bitcoin foundation draft a letter for example - maybe (hopefully) they already did so?
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