I am surprised you're still going strong on this thread. How long has it been? 3 years?? I am going to quote myself just because I am awesome.
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Heres a scale of faith Dawkins created, I think it will help your thread OP 1. Strong theist. 100% probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung: "I do not believe, I know."
2. De facto theist. Very high probability but short of 100%. "I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there."
3. Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50% but not very high. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God."
4. Completely impartial. Exactly 50%. "God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable."
5. Leaning towards atheism. Lower than 50% but not very low. "I do not know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be skeptical."
6. De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."
7. Strong atheist. "I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung knows there is one." I think both stance 1 and 7 is completely irrational I prefer to take each god claim as a separate issue. I am a 7 in respect to the old gods, zeus/odin, loki, thor, athena, et al. I believe there is zero chance any of them exist. I am a 7 in respect to any specific western god claim I have heard. This list includes God (with a big G to steal that name too), Allah, Yahweh/Jehovah/יהוה, Elohim/אֱלֹהִים, et al. These gods are all self-contradictory if you read their books. There is The Problem of Evil, and many other issues that western religions have no good answer for. I am a 7 in respect to the specific Hindu gods if taken literally, though I don't know if Hindu's view Shiva etc, as literal or metaphor for human behavior. I suppose if it is a metaphor, then it isn't really a god, so no point giving a metaphor a rating. The only description of a god that makes any sense to me is the generic eastern belief common to Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. Basically, god splits into zillions of pieces which is the substance that everything in the universe is made from. Each and everything in the universe is a little piece of god exploring the rest of the universe. There is no real point to it other than eternity is boring without something to do. I'd actually give this a 3 on the Dawkins scale. It certainly makes more sense than any other explanation I've heard |
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It is hard to say... I have heard there is legitimate evidence from Cohen that Trump committed at least one felony related to his campaign during the election. I believe Cohen has already turned state's evidence... This is not like Clinton being impeached over getting a blowjob... this is actual criminal behavior... things people go to prison for doing If the republicans vote against impeaching Trump for actual felonies... I don't really know what to say... I just can't see that even happening... they would all be guilty of obstruction of justice... there would be riots in the streets... I'm not certain how people would react if our government openly obstructs justice to that extent, it could trigger a revolution Robert Mueller’s witch hunt celebrates catching 47th witchhttp://newsthump.com/2018/08/22/robert-muellers-witch-hunt-celebrates-catching-47th-witch/3) bonus: avoid the possibility of Democrats impeaching Trump AND Pence and putting Pelosi into the White House LOL.
If they impeach both Trump and Pence before the next election, Paul Ryan would be president, right? I suppose if they waited too long and democrats took control of the house Pelosi would be the speaker?... which is just as terrifying as Trump or Pence to me... I hate to say out of the choices I'd go with Paul Ryan How would it work if, for example, both Trump and Pence were impeached next week? Would Paul Ryan be president for a little over 2 years, or would the new speaker of the house take over after the election? |
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the real problem is people can't understand metaphors. believers or unbelievers, all lost...  I have always been curious who decides what words are meant literal and which metaphor... is there an official list, or is it up to each believer individually? When I read Jesus say things like, "No man shall see the kingdom of heaven unless he be born again", literally this implies reincarnation... more of a buddhist belief than christian Jesus says, "Sell all your possessions and give to the poor, then follow me" or something similar a dozen times in the bible... again, this is buddhist dogma, not christian The more I study buddhism, the more I am certain that Jesus was a buddhist, and all this literal vs metaphor nonsense has misinterpreted his message to mean something completely different from what he actually said (sp?) the language says, " The following is literal," odds are it is to be taken literally. If it says that the following is a parable, than the following might be a parable and not literal. Read the rest: " Unless he is born of water and the Spirit." No implication of reincarnation there. Following Jesus gives eternal life to the follower... in the resurrection. Buddhism offers nothing like that. You seem to make it up as you go along.I'd love to see anywhere in the bible the words, "The following is literal"... who is making up what now? As for Jesus speaking about reincarnation... where does it say "the following is a parable"? I stick by my hypothesis that Jesus was a Buddhist. Buddhists believe you have to be reborn before reaching nirvana, et al. The first birth is literally called " Stream-Enterer", referring to a stream of water, almost word for word what you quoted from Jesus. Your ignorance of buddhism does not mean Jesus didn't understand it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_stages_of_enlightenment#Stream-entererBuddhism also offers eternal life. How do you not view reincarnation as eternal life? There are also several branches of buddhism, much like christianity, with various beliefs. You seem to know as little about buddhism as you do about atheism, evolution or christianity |
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I appreciate the eloquence of Richard Dawkins, so I will defer to his answer for the nature of scientific evidence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OtFSDKrq88Audience Question: The question is about the nature of scientific evidence. You both said we are justified in holding belief if there is evidence for it or logical arguments we can find that support it. But, it seems like this is itself a belief that would require some sort of evidence. So I'm wondering what you would count as evidence in favor of that, and if not, how do we justify choosing that heuristic without appealing to the same standard we are trying to justify?
Richard Dawkins: It works. Planes fly, cars drive, computers compute. If you base medicine on science you cure people. If you base the design of planes on science they fly. If you base the design of rockets on science they reach the moon. It works, bitches.
tl;dr - Q: How do you justify using the scientific method? A: It works, bitches |
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Say your farewells to Trump, he's screwed
The Congress would have to do the screwing though... and they (well, the GOP part of it anyway) are not going to do anything to upset Trump voters. I suppose if you can't find a single republican who cares about the law, Trump doesn't have anything to worry about (it's entirely possible) But then again... there is an election in 3 months, and I highly doubt republicans will maintain control of congress after November... so he's got 3 months tops |
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I bet you could make 1000x as much by learning computer programming... I have worked for companies that hired Filipino programmers... I had a friend who moved to the Philippines for a few years and made $35/hour (US dollars) building websites while living in Cebu
I'm willing to bet you don't make $35/hour begging for bitcoin
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Cohen has already flipped on Trump and threw him under the bus over a week ago when he released a secretly recorded tape of Trump asking him to pay off Stormy Daniels (believe it or not, that's illegal to do during a campaign for president) Cohen admits that he committed crimes under the direction of Trump Say your farewells to Trump, he's screwed  |
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Well.. the tracking code obviously written as a backdoor in Android source code. As far as i know..
I don't believe that to be true The reports of this state that turning off the tracking code does turn off the continuous location tracking of your phone They still collect data, just using a different method... they use other apps to collect the data... Whenever you use your facebook app, maps, weather app, or anything you use asks for location information, google intercepts and stores that location and time So instead of a continuous stream of location points, they only have a location data point when you access certain apps. The issue is... that's still tracking you after you asked them to not do that |
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the real problem is people can't understand metaphors. believers or unbelievers, all lost... I have always been curious who decides what words are meant literal and which metaphor... is there an official list, or is it up to each believer individually? When I read Jesus say things like, "No man shall see the kingdom of heaven unless he be born again", literally this implies reincarnation... more of a buddhist belief than christian Jesus says, "Sell all your possessions and give to the poor, then follow me" or something similar a dozen times in the bible... again, this is buddhist dogma, not christian The more I study buddhism, the more I am certain that Jesus was a buddhist, and all this literal vs metaphor nonsense has misinterpreted his message to mean something completely different from what he actually said |
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No. People have been saying the end is nigh since the dawn of mankind and I wouldn't pay too much attention to the bible. According to the bible you should kill a lot of people for doing very minor things (working on sundays, talking back to your parents, homosexuals, adulterers, non-believers, non-virgins, entire cities if one person there worships the wrong god) The bible says a lot of other silly stuff: https://www.salon.com/2014/05/31/11_kinds_of_bible_verses_christians_love_to_ignore_partner/Growing up in the 90s, I remember all the apocalypse scare of thee time. Parents even freak out over Pokemons. A decade later it's now parent introducing their kids to the game.  Thing is, whether you believe such things or not, it is clear that such things are supposed to come "like a robber in the night". Insisting you can predict it is pride. Jesus also said: Matthew 24:34 - "Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Jesus promised he would return before the people listening to him died... that obviously did not happen... Jesus lied! |
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If you took all the religions in the world and destroyed them, in 1000 years there would be entirely new religions, completely different from the old religions...
If you took all the science in the world and destroyed it... in 1000 years there would be EXACTLY THE SAME SCIENCE
Mathematics is not something invented by humans, it is discovered by humans... mathematics is the same in any language, on any planet... 1 + 1 = 2 is a provable concept and does not change based on societal norms or which deities they currently worship
Newton and Leibniz are credited with the co-discovery of calculus... they did not invent it, they both discovered it at the same time... math/science is universal, religion is not
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If somebody says to you, "Don't eat the apple or you will die," and you agree with him, you won't eat the apple, except if you are suicidal.
According to the bible, God lied: Genesis 2:16-17 - "And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”" Except... neither of them died that day... so, God lied! |
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According to the bible too, you can have a small tree in flames talking to you
To be fair, this is completely possible... The type of bush that was "burning" in the bible was the Acacia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia#ToxicitySome species of acacia contain psychoactive alkaloids Burning an Acacia bush would produce airborne psychoactive substances... if you stood downwind from a burning Acacia bush, it would be like tripping on LSD... this totally explains visions of talking to god, etc... Richard Dawkins - "Science. It works, Bitches."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj3rAJUVrGQ"Planes fly, cars drive, computers compute... If you base medicine off science, you cure people... If you base the design of planes on science they fly... If you base the design of rockets on science, they reach the moon... It works... bitches" |
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Report details sexual abuse by more than 300 priests in Pennsylvania's Catholic Churchhttps://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/us/pennsylvania-catholic-church-grand-jury/index.htmlA new grand jury report says that internal documents from six Catholic dioceses in Pennsylvania show that more than 300 "predator priests" have been credibly accused of sexually abusing more than 1,000 child victims.
"We believe that the real number of children whose records were lost or who were afraid ever to come forward is in the thousands," the grand jury report says.
"Priests were raping little boys and girls, and the men of God who were responsible for them not only did nothing; they hid it all. For decades. Monsignors, auxiliary bishops, bishops, archbishops, cardinals have mostly been protected; many, including some named in this report, have been promoted."
The lengthy report, released Tuesday afternoon, investigates clergy sexual abuse daying back to 1947 in six dioceses: Allentown, Erie, Greensburg, Harrisburg, Pittsburgh and Scranton.
Pennsylvania's two other dioceses, Philadelphia and Altoona-Johnstown, have been the subjects of earlier grand jury reports, which found similarly damaging information about clergy and bishops in those dioceses.
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Haha, as this post opened up, I was trying to figure out what kind of priest a "chomo" priest is. I thought maybe it's something I hadn't heard of. I guess you meant homo, as in homosexual. I guess it would be more accurate to call them pedophiles... Sorry, chomo is prison slang for child molestor, i.e. pedophile... 300 priests molested over 1000 children in just 1 US state... If that is the "average", there would be an estimated 300 * 50 = 15,000 catholic pedophile priests in USA alone... with more than 50,000 children being molested by them https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chomo |
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BADLogic: Next time you are sick, or in a car accident, or get cancer... just pray to god instead of going to the hospital... do us all this favor, please
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Both the US and Europe have been ruled by very liberal leaders since the 2008 financial crisis and recession, and these liberal leaders are responsible for the subsequent weak economic recovery...
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Man Yelled “Jesus is Coming!” Before Stabbing His 16-Month-Old Son to Deathhttp://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/08/20/man-yelled-jesus-is-coming-before-stabbing-his-16-month-old-son-to-deathA Texas man reportedly yelled “Jesus is coming!” before stabbing his own 16-month-old son to death.
In what almost seems like an attempt to prove how dangerous religious ideas about the afterlife can be, the man reportedly beat and stuck a knife in his son on Sunday in the courtyard of an apartment complex. The local police captain, Jesse Hunter, said the boy died at the hospital.
According to Hunter, witnesses told police that the man carried the child out of an apartment and yelled “Jesus is coming” before the attack.
Dallas TV station KDFW reports that a neighbor watching from a second-floor balcony shot the suspect in the leg, ending the attack. Police say the neighbor will not face any charges.
A “good guy with a gun” tried to stop the attack, but it was too late, and the young boy is now dead… primarily because of religious beliefs that were clearly taken too seriously by this man.
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You know you are crazy when you rant on and on for 172 pages and nobody cares, lmfao
How is BADLogic any different from a street preacher standing on a soapbox in the park?
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Well no one can prove that god doesn't exist either.
Don't even get me started on the Scientology cult. I saw an inteview with Leah Remini on the Joe Rogan podcast, I never realized how batshit crazy that religion is. They also are stealing billions of dollars from their slaves.
I'm an atheist, but the idea that the existence of God can neither be proved nor disproved demonstrates how intellectually weak we are... Nobody can prove there isn't a Flying Spaghetti Monster either, but it doesn't make the idea plausible God could easily be proven true, all he has to do is show himself to the world... If he really is god, that would be easy, right? But alas, god is the hide and seek champion of the universe for 2000 years running We can test claims about god, like the efficacy of prayer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on_intercessory_prayer#The_STEP_projectHarvard professor Herbert Benson performed a "Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP)" in 2006.[39] The STEP, commonly called the "Templeton Foundation prayer study" or "Great Prayer Experiment", used 1,802 coronary artery bypass surgery patients at six hospitals. Using double-blind protocols, patients were randomized into three groups, individual prayer receptiveness was not measured. The members of the experimental and control Groups 1 and 2 were informed they might or might not receive prayers, and only Group 1 received prayers. Group 3, which served as a test for possible psychosomatic effects, was informed they would receive prayers and subsequently did. Unlike some other studies, STEP attempted to standardize the prayer method. Only first names and last initial for patients were provided and no photographs were supplied. The congregations of three Christian churches who prayed for the patients "were allowed to pray in their own manner, but they were instructed to include the following phrase in their prayers: "for a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications".[40] Some participants complained that this mechanical way they were told to pray as part of the experiment was unusual for them. Complications of surgery occurred in 52 percent of those who received prayer (Group 1), 51 percent of those who did not receive it (Group 2), and 59 percent of patients who knew they would receive prayers (Group 3) According to this study, knowing that people are praying for you gives a worse result (note: Templeton Foundation is a religious organization) |
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