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1241  Other / Off-topic / Re: Poll: Which religion is the best religion? on: April 23, 2016, 03:44:10 AM
Honestly, you can't ask what religion is the best religion as it is based purely on self explanatory variables and opinions. Even as an opinion, you cannot ask that without some sort of revelation commencing.

There is no stupid question, only stupid answers
1242  Other / Politics & Society / Re: New Reddit User Instantly Gets Moderated on: April 23, 2016, 02:05:02 AM
I'd recommend asking reddit, not bitcointalk
1243  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: April 22, 2016, 09:09:51 PM
You come on like a bloodstained hurricane
You carry on like a holy man pushing redemption
1244  Other / Politics & Society / Re: US taxpayer money well-spent... on: April 22, 2016, 06:42:52 PM
I heard about this, but had not seen the video...

Wow... 3 times... just wow

Never forget... these will be the guys defending "Trump's Wall"
1245  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cthulhu for president! on: April 22, 2016, 05:23:27 PM
1246  Other / Off-topic / Re: Poll: Which religion is the best religion? on: April 22, 2016, 04:35:04 PM
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/160422-atheism-agnostic-secular-nones-rising-religion/

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The World's Newest Major Religion: No Religion
As secularism grows, atheists and agnostics are trying to expand and diversify their ranks.
More people than ever before are identifying as atheist, agnostic, or otherwise nonreligious, with potentially world-changing effects.


You don’t usually think of churches as going out of business, but it happens. In March, driven by parishioner deaths and lack of interest, the U.K. Mennonites held their last collective service.

It might seem easy to predict that plain-dressing Anabaptists—who follow a faith related to the Amish—would become irrelevant in the age of smartphones, but this is part of a larger trend. Around the world, when asked about their feelings on religion, more and more people are responding with a meh.

The religiously unaffiliated, called "nones," are growing significantly. They’re the second largest religious group in North America and most of Europe. In the United States, nones make up almost a quarter of the population. In the past decade, U.S. nones have overtaken Catholics, mainline protestants, and all followers of non-Christian faiths.



A lack of religious affiliation has profound effects on how people think about death, how they teach their kids, and even how they vote.  (Watch The Story of God With Morgan Freeman for more about how different religions understand God and creation.)

There have long been predictions that religion would fade from relevancy as the world modernizes, but all the recent surveys are finding that it’s happening startlingly fast. France will have a majority secular population soon. So will the Netherlands and New Zealand. The United Kingdom and Australia will soon lose Christian majorities. Religion is rapidly becoming less important than it’s ever been, even to people who live in countries where faith has affected everything from rulers to borders to architecture.

But nones aren’t inheriting the Earth just yet. In many parts of the world—sub-Saharan Africa in particular—religion is growing so fast that nones’ share of the global population will actually shrink in 25 years as the world turns into what one researcher has described as “the secularizing West and the rapidly growing rest.” (The other highly secular part of the world is China, where the Cultural Revolution tamped down religion for decades, while in some former Communist countries, religion is on the increase.)



And even in the secularizing West, the rash of “religious freedom bills”—which essentially decriminalize discrimination—are the latest front in a faith-tinged culture war in the United States that shows no signs of abetting anytime soon.

Within the ranks of the unaffiliated, divisions run deep. Some are avowed atheists. Others are agnostic. And many more simply don’t care to state a preference. Organized around skepticism toward organizations and united by a common belief that they do not believe, nones as a group are just as internally complex as many religions. And as with religions, these internal contradictions could keep new followers away.


Millennials to God: No Thanks

If the world is at a religious precipice, then we’ve been moving slowly toward it for decades. Fifty years ago, Time asked in a famous headline, “Is God Dead?” The magazine wondered whether religion was relevant to modern life in the post-atomic age when communism was spreading and science was explaining more about our natural world than ever before.

We’re still asking the same question. But the response isn’t limited to yes or no. A chunk of the population born after the article was printed may respond to the provocative question with, “God who?” In Europe and North America, the unaffiliated tend to be several years younger than the population average. And 11 percent of Americans born after 1970 were raised in secular homes.

Scientific advancement isn’t just making people question God, it’s also connecting those who question. It’s easy to find atheist and agnostic discussion groups online, even if you come from a religious family or community. And anyone who wants the companionship that might otherwise come from church can attend a secular Sunday Assembly or one of a plethora of Meetups for humanists, atheists, agnostics, or skeptics.

The groups behind the web forums and meetings do more than give skeptics witty rejoinders for religious relatives who pressure them to go to church—they let budding agnostics know they aren’t alone.

But it’s not easy to unite people around not believing in something. “Organizing atheists is like herding cats,” says Stephanie Guttormson, the operations director of the Richard Dawkins Foundation, which is merging with the Center for Inquiry. “But lots of cats have found their way into the 'meowry.'”



Guttormson says the goal of her group is to organize itself out of existence. They want to normalize atheism to a point where it’s so common that atheists no longer need a group to tell them it’s okay not to believe, or to defend their morals in the face of religious lawmakers.

But it’s not there yet.


Atheism’s Diversity Problem

The Center for Inquiry in Washington, D.C., hosts a regular happy hour called Drinking Skeptically. On a Wednesday in late March, about a dozen people showed up to faithlessly imbibe, and all but one were white.

“Most of the groups I’ve seen have been predominantly white, but I’m not sure what to attribute that to,” says Kevin Douglas, the lone African-American drinker, shrugging at the demographics. He came from a religious family in New York and struggled internally with his skepticism until shortly after college. The only time he mentions having difficulty with others accepting his atheism was when he worked in Dallas, Texas, and race, he says, had little to do with it.

But more typically, “there is pressure from our [African-American] community,” says Mandisa Thomas, the founder and president of the Atlanta-based Black Nonbelievers, Inc. This pressure stems from the place religion—Christianity in particular—holds in African-American history.

In the abolition movement churches “became a support system for blacks. It became almost the end-all be-all for the black community for a number of years,” Thomas says, adding that the Civil Rights movement was dominated—she says “hijacked”—by religious leaders.

“If you either reject or identify as a nonbeliever, you’re seen as betraying your race,” she says.

Thomas is an outlier among nonbelievers for another reason. She’s a woman.

The secularizing West is full of white men. The general U.S. population is 46 percent male and 66 percent white, but about 68 percent of atheists are men, and 78 percent are white. Atheist Alliance International has called the gender imbalance in its ranks “a significant and urgent issue.”


The Privilege of Not Believing

There are a few theories about why people become atheists in large numbers. Some demographers attribute it to financial security, which would explain why European countries with a stronger social safety net are more secular than the United States, where poverty is more common and a medical emergency can bankrupt even the insured.

Atheism is also tied to education, measured by academic achievement (atheists in many places tend to have college degrees) or general knowledge of the panoply of beliefs around the world (hence theories that Internet access spurs atheism).

There’s some evidence that official state religions drive people away from faith entirely, which could help explain why the U.S. is more religious than most Western nations that technically have a state religion, even if it is rarely observed. The U.S. is also home to a number of homegrown churches—Scientology, Mormonism—that might scoop up those who are disenchanted with older faiths.

The social factors that promote atheism—financial security and education—have long been harder to attain for women and people of color in the United States.

Around the world, the Pew Research Center finds that women tend to be more likely to affiliate with a religion and more likely to pray and find religion important in their lives. That changes when women have more opportunities. “Women who are in the labor force are more like men in religiosity. Women out of the labor force tend to be more religious,” says Conrad Hackett with Pew. “Part of that might be because they’re part of a religious group that enforces the power of women being at home."

In a Washington Post op-ed about the racial divides among atheists, Black Skeptics Group founder Sikivu Hutchinson points out that “the number of black and Latino youth with access to quality science and math education is still abysmally low.” That means they have fewer economic opportunities and less exposure to a worldview that does not require the presence of God.

Religion has a place for women, people of color, and the poor. By its nature, secularism is open to all, but it’s not always as welcoming.

Some of the humanist movement’s most visible figures aren’t known for their respect toward women. Prominent atheists Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins have awful reputations for misogyny, as does the late Christopher Hitchens. Bill Maher, the comedian and outspoken atheist, is no (nonexistent) angel, either.

The leaders of Atheist Alliance International, Dawkins Foundation, and Center for Inquiry who I talked to were all well aware of the demographic shortcomings, and they’re working on it: All of the leaders I spoke to were women.

Even people who are white, male, and educated may fear the stigma of being labeled a nonbeliever. A white dentist at the CFI’s Drinking Skeptically event didn’t want to go on the record out of a fear that patients wouldn’t want an atheist working on their teeth.

“We have this stigma that we’re combative, that we’re arrogant, that we just want to provoke religious people,” Thomas with Black Nonbelievers, Inc. says. She’s working on changing that, and increasing the visibility of nonbelievers of color, too.

Thompson believes the demographics of nones don’t accurately reflect the number and diversity of nonbelievers; it just shows who is comfortable enough to say they don’t believe out loud. “There are many more people of color, there are many more women who identify as atheists,” she says. “There are many people who attend church who are still atheists.”


Expanding the Ranks

What’s sometimes called the New Atheism picked up in the mid-2000s. These were years of war, when Islam was painted as a threat and Christianity infused U.S. policy, abroad and domestically, most visibly in faith-based ballot initiatives against same-sex marriage.

In the U.S., many state legislators are still using a narrow interpretation of Christian morals to deny services to gay people and appropriate restrooms to people who are transgender.

But the national backlash to religious legislation has become faster and fiercer than ever before. Europeans seem set on addressing Islamophobia and the forces that could create tension with the “rapidly growing rest.”

And compared to past campaign seasons, religion is taking a backseat in this year’s U.S. presidential election. Donald Trump is not outwardly religious (and his attraction of evangelical voters has raised questions about the longevity and the motives of the religious right). Hillary Clinton has said “advertising about faith doesn’t come naturally to me.” And Bernie Sanders is “not actively involved” in a religion. Their reticence about religion reflects the second largest religious group in the country they hope to run. Aside from Ted Cruz, the leading candidates just aren’t up for talking about religion. The number of Americans who seek divine intervention in the voting booth seems to be shrinking.

For all the work secular groups do to promote acceptance of nonbelievers, perhaps nothing will be as effective as apathy plus time. As the secular millennials grow up and have children of their own, the only Sunday morning tradition they may pass down is one everyone in the world can agree on: brunch.
1247  Other / Politics & Society / Re: New Reddit User Instantly Gets Moderated on: April 22, 2016, 04:18:59 PM
You could at least post the reason why they are moderating you...

What did you say that was so offensive?

Cough up the details!

Don't pretend like they banned you for saying, "I love this planet"
1248  Other / Politics & Society / Re: oakland police exam to be made easier, guess the reason on: April 22, 2016, 04:16:16 PM
I always heard that the cops gave you an IQ test when you applied and if you scored too high you got rejected. The truth about policing is its mostly boring and a lot of routine procedure. an intelligent cop will get bored and start stealing.

They don't reject intelligent cops because they will get bored...

They reject intelligent cops because they might challenge the laws they are told to enforce...

If a smart cop disagrees with arresting someone for marijuana... he might not do it... can't have that... can't have cops thinking for themselves...

Stupid people tend to do what they are told, and not ask questions
1249  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: April 22, 2016, 04:12:49 PM
The one who does wrong even though he knows that he is doing wrong, will be beaten with many blows.

You know you are doing wrong... don't you?

You've been corrected hundreds of times, by dozens of different people on this forum... you know you are wrong... so you will be beaten with many blows?
1250  Other / Off-topic / Re: Poll: Which religion is the best religion? on: April 22, 2016, 06:57:20 AM
This type of poll wouldn't give an accurate result of which religion is best but rather which religion has the most followers here on this forum. Surprisingly majority have voted for non-religion with standing until now and I wonder why?

I'd say its an accurate representation of worldwide religious beliefs... 40% atheist is about right, assuming you count guys like Jews who don't really believe in God (~50% of Jews)
1251  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cthulhu for president! on: April 22, 2016, 05:24:40 AM


1252  Other / Off-topic / Re: Poll: Which religion is the best religion? on: April 22, 2016, 05:06:52 AM
I am Hindu so I feel that Hinduism is the bet religion for  me and it will vary from a person to person, muslim feels Islam is best, Christian feels Christianity is the best, but when it comes to love and friendship religion is not at all important, its just a word nothing else.

However, the best religion is the one that gives eternal life in Heaven. There is nothing better than eternal life in Heaven. The problem is determining which religion does this.

I think you answer yourself the best here:

It always needs to be backed up by something else before it can be known to be factual.
1253  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: April 22, 2016, 04:42:37 AM
See? That's the neat thing. I don't believe that I lied. But if I made a mistake, or if I misunderstood, and in my mistakenness or misunderstanding really did lie, it is all forgiven because I believe in Jesus salvation.
What about if a person deliberately lies and deceives all the time, like yourself for example, do they get salvation?

If so then you've just highlighted why Christianity is so very very flawed.

That is a good question... Jesus said all sins are equal... Christians also believe that "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is an unforgivable sin... which means... any sin is unforgivable?

Poor BADlogic... going to hell
1254  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Anti-Atheist Bigotry: Atheists Are As Distrusted As Rapists on: April 21, 2016, 10:33:27 PM

If by "science" you mean science theories, why would anyone trust them, since they have not been proven to be factual? Of course, there is a way that you can trust science theories. You can trust that they are theories until they have been proven to be factual.

It's a shame gravity is just a theory... I suppose that means there is a chance gravity doesn't exist?
See? This is where you are either mixed up, or you are not being clear intentionally. The law of gravity is not a theory. The explanation of why gravity works the way it does is the thing that is the theory.

Gravity law is law. Gravity theory is theory.



I suppose if you think gravity is "just a theory", that it doesn't affect you?

Naw, you're wrong... Both gravity and evolution are proven to be a true, factual and predictive representation of reality... which is basically what a theory means in science... learn your words

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
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A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.

It is important to note that the definition of a "scientific theory" (often ambiguously contracted to "theory" for the sake of brevity, including in this page) as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from, and in contrast to, the common vernacular usage of the word "theory". As used in everyday non-scientific speech, "theory" implies that something is an unsubstantiated and speculative guess, conjecture, or hypothesis; such a usage is the opposite of a scientific theory.

Regarding evolution, something exists. It has been termed evolution. Since the thing that exists, does indeed exist, if you call it evolution, then evolution exists.

Evolution theory talks about some things that are not known to exist. It also talks about the reasons why the existence termed "evolution" exists, and why some of the things in evolution theory might exist.

They are two different things... evolution and evolution theory.

People can write all kinds of things in Wikipedia. A lot of Wikipedia is not truth. It is a good starting point, to see what a subject is about in general. But it needs to be backed up by other info before it can be known to be factual.

This is something like Quantum Physics. QP is complex probability. It always needs to be backed up by something else before it can be known to be factual.

Just because a scientific theory is often made up of some science facts, does not make the theory itself to be factual. The theory takes the facts and combines and twists them into something new that is not known to be factual until it has been proven factual.

For example. Big Bang Theory probably will never be known to be true. Why not? As good as it might sound, there is no way to go back 13 or 14 billion years to see if it is true. There is always the chance that something unforeseen might have been there to make all the best BB theory to be non-factual.

It's the same with all science theory. Until it is proven to be factual, it is just theory, even if it has the word "science" in front of it.

Blah blah, meaningless drivel

Name something in evolution "that is not known to exist"... anything at all... don't make a claim you can't back up with facts and evidence

To quote, well you... "It always needs to be backed up by something else before it can be known to be factual"

Big Bang Theory is something completely different from Evolution, and was actually invented by a Christian (do some research)

You make things up, like saying there is a difference between "evolution" and "evolution theory"... there is not... these are talking about the same thing... quit intentionally lying to people
1255  Other / Politics & Society / Re: BERNIE SANDERS, WEIRDO IN CHIEF on: April 21, 2016, 03:59:08 PM




1256  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Anti-Atheist Bigotry: Atheists Are As Distrusted As Rapists on: April 21, 2016, 03:46:05 PM

If by "science" you mean science theories, why would anyone trust them, since they have not been proven to be factual? Of course, there is a way that you can trust science theories. You can trust that they are theories until they have been proven to be factual.

It's a shame gravity is just a theory... I suppose that means there is a chance gravity doesn't exist?

I suppose if you think gravity is "just a theory", that it doesn't affect you?

Naw, you're wrong... Both gravity and evolution are proven to be a true, factual and predictive representation of reality... which is basically what a theory means in science... learn your words

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
Quote
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.

It is important to note that the definition of a "scientific theory" (often ambiguously contracted to "theory" for the sake of brevity, including in this page) as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from, and in contrast to, the common vernacular usage of the word "theory". As used in everyday non-scientific speech, "theory" implies that something is an unsubstantiated and speculative guess, conjecture, or hypothesis; such a usage is the opposite of a scientific theory.
1257  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cthulhu for president! on: April 21, 2016, 07:22:18 AM
Just googled chulhu..haha really?

If you can't have Bernie Sanders, you might as well settle for an evil, half-man, half-octopus, half-dragon (yes that's 150%, he's that awesome!)

He even made an appearance on South Park:
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/360453/whos-a-needs-a-tummy-rub
1258  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: April 21, 2016, 07:18:58 AM
1259  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cthulhu for president! on: April 21, 2016, 06:41:07 AM
I figure, if you cant have an honest man as president, might as well have Cthulhu

He can't possibly be worse than Trump

1260  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Obama's chilly reception in Saudi Arabia hints at mutual distrust on: April 21, 2016, 03:59:42 AM
And this whole time I thought King Salmon was a type of fish

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