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341  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: DIY FPGA Mining rig for any algorithm with fast ROI on: May 26, 2018, 04:36:34 PM
lyra2z will not fit fully pipelined (corrected).

Who said that it would? Who implied that it would be a good idea to fully pipeline it?

I'm pretty sure you're just fishing.



Forget lyra2z, mtp(new algo) soon.

This thread has 44 pages now and you(fpga devs) not provided any proof, just theory.
You(fpga devs) say : go, buy fpga and later we maybe implement and maybe release some bitstreams.

I ask again : What are you going to mine with this fpga?

Let's sum up this discussion

Keccak - will work, low profit
Tribus - will work, low profit due to low network hashrate
Phi1612 - will work, forget it, devs changing algo due to anti-fpga and anti-asic policy
Skunkhash - will work, low profit due to low network hashrate
x17 - will work with 2 FPGA, need a verilog masochist, profit will be destroyed with 450x fpga
x16r - most likely will not work, or skip hard blocks at hashing,  need a verilog masochist
x16s - will work with 2 FPGA, need a verilog masochist
lyra2z - will work, forget it, devs changing algo due to anti-fpga and anti-asic policy
lyra2v2 - will work, low profit, asic soon
lyra2 - will work, low profit, low network hashrate
ethash - will work with ddr4 ram, low profit
equihash  - will work with ddr4 ram, low profit
cn-7, cn-light, etc - will work, low profit
Xevan - will work with 4 FPGA, need a verilog masochist, low profit due to low network hashrate
bitcore - I think, it will fit, and work with good hashrate(600MH), but profit will be destroyed due to low network hashrate
nist5, neoscrypt - I did not investigate, possible candidates for fpga. |

What algorithms have I forgotten?


I did provide proof. Screen shots, pictures, btc addresses, etc.

All any of us can say, is what we have been saying... Which is that, these devices are far superior in performance to anything you can get in a gpu. The only way to defeat them currently is with more memory. As soon as the 31-37P comes out, GPUs have lost the race in finality. These devs who are intending to stay with PoW will either need to work with us or they'll just keep getting hit by secret asics and secret fpgas.

I haven't said anything here that I didn't already say in this monero thread back in October when they were already being mined by bitmain and others.
342  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: DIY FPGA Mining rig for any algorithm with fast ROI on: May 26, 2018, 04:26:57 PM


While this may be true in the short/medium term, but in the long term FPGA may end replacing GPUs, as the costs go down and other players comes in and we see more mining oriented FPGAs. This is just the genesis of public FPGA mining.

Exceptions would be ASIC alog coins or coins who's Devs want to be FPGA-resistant (at least they think they can be FPGA-resistant).

There are 3 threads, where fpga devs are selling(or incite to buy) this devices today.

Most of those algos were FPGA and ASIC resistant in past(like scrypt, x11,x13, quark, etc). But coin devs trying to make fpga-resistant and asic resistant algos. They will increase memory size and bandwidth requirements and make new resistant(today resistant, not tomorrow) algos, like mtp, equihash(with different parameters), phi2, etc.

So, we wait for the next chip and launch then Smiley -- Once the stratix and virtex devices with HBM2 hit the market, there's nothing that the coin devs will be able to do. Literally, nothing.
343  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: DIY FPGA Mining rig for any algorithm with fast ROI on: May 26, 2018, 04:26:21 PM
agree,there was a ASIC algo defeated by GPU ,bytom ,let's see if the FPGA devs can design it.

Ya, that was pretty amazing. If their TPU is really that bad, the FPGA could probably do better than both of them.

344  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ALLMINE INC - Cryptominer Gen1 FPGA Miner ($3995) on: May 26, 2018, 04:17:13 PM
All algos in X15,include the combination  of 15 algos, ASIC is ready,they  can change the firmware to update ,no need to re-tape
lyra2re2 ASIC is coming soon.
XZC will change algo soon.
LUX will change algo soon。
you will loss the battle field.

the most important thing  is

There is no evidence to prove the FPGA hashrate and power consumption.



I posted evidence couple pages back. Pictures, screen shots, etc. Whitefire posted a video of one of the boards running if i recall correctly.



that was no evidence for mining.
there was no mining software stats,no pool stats, no AC power consumption,
just need these:
1.screenshot of mining software,the speed ,the temp,,,etc
2.a public pool stats, speed should match the software,   MPH pool is good to test maxcoin(keccak)
3.a power meter on the AC line,measure the system power. software read power is quite different from the actual AC line.
  every miner should have a power meter,a $10 plugin  power meter is enough


Ya, I showed the pool side (zergpool), the software side, pictures of the board, etc. The measurements we're taking at the chip are not like the measurements you get from the chip from a GPU. They're actually accurate.

What's next? You're going to specify the camera angles? Claim photoshop?

People have been mining on these FPGAs (myself included) for over a year. I've used FPGAs to mine bitcoin back in 2011. GPUHoarder has been using FPGA for as long as me. Whitefire is doing it. Wolf0 from the other thread has worked on FPGA. There's some guys I know that run a public mine that are still mining on BFL stratix 3 (iirc) fpgas. There's at least a half dozen other people who haven't poked their head into either thread yet (maybe they haven't seen it? not sure.) that i know have done work on mining algos on fpga as well. You can stick your head in the sand or put ears in your fingers and say 'LA LA LA' but it doesn't make it any less true. Anyone who's worked in the space can go look at the questions people are asking on the aws-fpga forum and know without a doubt based on the questions asked there are many people mining on aws.
345  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: DIY FPGA Mining rig for any algorithm with fast ROI on: May 26, 2018, 02:34:06 PM
lyra2z will not fit fully pipelined (corrected).

Who said that it would? Who implied that it would be a good idea to fully pipeline it?

I'm pretty sure you're just fishing.

346  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ALLMINE INC - Cryptominer Gen1 FPGA Miner ($3995) on: May 26, 2018, 02:29:36 PM
All algos in X15,include the combination  of 15 algos, ASIC is ready,they  can change the firmware to update ,no need to re-tape
lyra2re2 ASIC is coming soon.
XZC will change algo soon.
LUX will change algo soon。
you will loss the battle field.

the most important thing  is

There is no evidence to prove the FPGA hashrate and power consumption.



I posted evidence couple pages back. Pictures, screen shots, etc. Whitefire posted a video of one of the boards running if i recall correctly.

347  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: DIY FPGA Mining rig for any algorithm with fast ROI on: May 25, 2018, 07:55:14 PM
Very impressive !! When are these FPGA monsters supposed to be launched ?

I'm launching sales in a week. We're trying to get a group collaboration going between all of the individual parties who have been secretly mining on amazon fpgas for the last year. Hopefully we'll be able to drop pricing of the boards even further to make them even more cost competitive when compared to GPUs.

GPUHoarder is doing some pretty interesting things with FPGA and GPUs. I believe he will have some unique products of his own coming to market.






348  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: VCU1525 (FPGA MINER BOARD) - $3,000 to $4,000 on: May 25, 2018, 07:36:33 PM

Update:

The first batch of the board will be a total of 1500 units at a cost of $3995 per unit. We will be shipping to the USA and CA for the first batch. We will likely support EU & Worldwide (Limited) starting with our second batch of devices. Estimated shipping date will be August 2018. It's possible we will ship some units prior to this date but it's unlikely we will be able to get our complete chip order before the end of August 2018.

I have been speaking with community developers and there is interest in having a centralized platform / software they can release their bitstreams through. We have plans to release our own bitstreams (Lyra2z, Keccak, Myriad-Groestl, NIST5). Others in the community have an expressed an interest to release firmwares for Cryptonight, Keccak, and some of the more advanced algos (X16R, Timetravel-10, etc).



How can we place the order?

Orders will open June 1st most likely. Still working on the banking situation. Obviously it would be ideal to accept credit cards, paypal, amazon pay, etc. Our site is ready for launch.


349  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: DIY FPGA Mining rig for any algorithm with fast ROI on: May 25, 2018, 07:34:38 PM
What happens if coins move to ethash-like algorithms where the efficiency gains would be alot smaller?

That’s the nature of crypto, you have to decide what risks and opportunities are right for you. Currently what I’m proposing plays well in the acceleration role with GPUs for those algorithms. In 9-12 months both FPGAs and GPUs will be shipping with similar memory bandwidth and then FPGAs (imho) will be winning on power.

Next gen Radeon Vega is rumored to have up to 1.28 Terabyte/s mem bandwith. IS there any FPGA (or announced) that would pull the same kind of perf ?

The ultraram on the FPGA collectively have a total memory bandwidth of 5.1TB/s. The HBM2 on the next generation FPGA will have the same bandwidth as the vegas with HBM2 and those chips will still have ultraram on top of that.
350  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: VCU1525 (FPGA MINER BOARD) - $3,000 to $4,000 on: May 25, 2018, 07:27:04 PM
Update: The first batch of the board will be a total of 1500 units at a cost of $3995 per unit...

So you're only making money selling the hardware,
and releasing free closed source mining 'code' without a devfee?
And we can also use devfee based options from other users like whitefire990?

We will be selling hardware and providing a platform for any community developers to generate secure bitstreams for our devices. The devfee for a given bitstream will be determined by the developer and we will take a portion of the developer's fee to pay for maintenance / support of the system. There's one thing I already knew, but it really hit home recently is that there are a lot of talented individuals on this forum and if given the opportunity can do some pretty amazing things. We will be releasing our firmwares through the platform. To use any of the bitstreams your device must have it's efuse programmed with our encryption keys. You would not be able to use any of the bitstreams with other devices that do not have our encryption key programmed in. I'm planning to provide a method for those who've purchased boards from avnet or digikey to send me their board so we can program the efuse (assuming it has not already been programmed) if they'd like.

351  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: DIY FPGA Mining rig for any algorithm with fast ROI on: May 25, 2018, 03:41:19 PM
How much would that plug & play FPGA cost ? Excluding shipping and VAT / custom duties.

Listed a couple posts back (USD at least) I’ve got three versions but seems most interest is in the highest speed.



That's the USD 5K board that won't be shipped outside the US ?

We'll be shipping to USA and Canada initially at a price point of $3995.

352  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: VCU1525 (FPGA MINER BOARD) - $3,000 to $4,000 on: May 25, 2018, 03:16:19 PM

Update:

The first batch of the board will be a total of 1500 units at a cost of $3995 per unit. We will be shipping to the USA and CA for the first batch. We will likely support EU & Worldwide (Limited) starting with our second batch of devices. Estimated shipping date will be August 2018. It's possible we will ship some units prior to this date but it's unlikely we will be able to get our complete chip order before the end of August 2018.

I have been speaking with community developers and there is interest in having a centralized platform / software they can release their bitstreams through. We have plans to release our own bitstreams (Lyra2z, Keccak, Myriad-Groestl, NIST5). Others in the community have an expressed an interest to release firmwares for Cryptonight, Keccak, and some of the more advanced algos (X16R, Timetravel-10, etc).

353  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: VCU1525 (FPGA MINER BOARD) - $3,000 to $4,000 on: May 25, 2018, 03:09:20 AM
Aren't Ultrascale+ FPGAs export restricted because of their dual use potential ?

Yes, but it's not a problem. We will probably start off with just USA and Canada though.

With concerns regarding VAT and all the importation fees, wouldn't it be simpler to just declare the item value of a GPU (less)? I believe item values within a certain range would not cause as much problems with customs both in terms of paperwork and fees.

Of course we should always operate within legal means but I was of the impression that declaring value is for insurance purpose. With regards to tax and vat, aren't you already paying for that when you actually buy it? It's like getting taxed twice by both the exporting and importing country.

If i am misinformed please feel free to correct me.

That's fraud

354  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: DIY FPGA Mining rig for any algorithm with fast ROI on: May 23, 2018, 05:12:15 PM
i got the public keccak source and synthesized,not sure whether it can run properly,just evaluation of resources.

i put 24 core and set to 300MHz
so XUVU9P may run  7.2G ,160W power
how can you get 17G?


No, it is not enough.

I can make a 24 cores and 550 MHz with 0 WNS slack, probably 600 MHz. But it is less than 17G anyway. My ego is hurting.

At least I'm not the only one who finds it hard to believe. There have been some inaccuracies in other things he's said. Maybe that was a preliminary estimate and not the actual hashrate achieved. We'll see on 05/30.
355  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: VCU1525 (FPGA MINER BOARD) - $3,000 to $4,000 on: May 23, 2018, 05:11:21 PM
....+$2000 for a waterblock. ...



One waterblock for $ 2000 for one VCU1525 or suitable for rig up to 8 pcs? Photo?

I'm saying that he's paying $2000 more getting the bittware board just to get a waterblock.
356  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: VCU1525 (FPGA MINER BOARD) - $3,000 to $4,000 on: May 23, 2018, 05:10:47 PM
I'm working on EU manuf to deal with the VAT issues. It's not going to be a problem for me to ship worldwide. I shipped a couple of FPGA boards recently internationally. The requirements weren't what I was expecting. But, for EU customers, I'd like to ship from the EU.

No algos are available yet. I believe whitefire will release his first one on 5/30. You'll have to check his thread.

Do you have a rough idea of what the total cost of one unit would be once you have your EU channel ready?

Not currently. I don't have enough knowledge of EU vat to say for sure.

357  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: VCU1525 (FPGA MINER BOARD) - $3,000 to $4,000 on: May 23, 2018, 01:14:09 PM
so what are the algo provided for now? all the available minus new one right? also this group buy or whatver is intended for european only or usa only? because there is customs to pay for us

I'm working on EU manuf to deal with the VAT issues. It's not going to be a problem for me to ship worldwide. I shipped a couple of FPGA boards recently internationally. The requirements weren't what I was expecting. But, for EU customers, I'd like to ship from the EU.

No algos are available yet. I believe whitefire will release his first one on 5/30. You'll have to check his thread.
358  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: VCU1525 (FPGA MINER BOARD) - $3,000 to $4,000 on: May 23, 2018, 01:41:53 AM
So what kind of lead time are we talking about before shipping?

Unknown at this point, it should be pretty quick once production / supply chains are established (<2 months -- i would say best case 2 weeks and more likely around 4-6 weeks.)

359  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: VCU1525 (FPGA MINER BOARD) - $3,000 to $4,000 on: May 22, 2018, 03:57:49 PM
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@everyone Whitefire990 statement regarding the Xilinx 1525 modification and thermal management: difficult to over clock:  1. You need to use a DC1613A PMBus dongle with a custom cable adapter to plug into the VCU1525 PCB and reprogram the current limits and core voltage.  2. You need to disassemble the VCU1525 and modify the cooling system, which means you need to use ESD protection straps and use a heat gun to soften the thermal paste on the FPGA and you still risk breaking the BGA solder joints and ruining your card.  That's why the VCU1525 is hard to overclock.  The software allows you to immediately run it at any speed up to 900MHz but without the above mods it won't work.
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@everyone   Bittware is looking to develop a mining optimized VU9P board with water cooling and higher power capacity than the VCU1525, which converts to significantly higher overclocking speeds.  The VCU1525 is very difficult to overclock (it can be done but it takes technical expertise and it runs really hot 100-105C).  With the VCU1525 now being $5K and the Bittware board at $5895, this is something to strongly consider if you are looking to get into FPGA mining.   Although I own 9 x VCU1525, my next rig will be made up of the water cooled Bittware cards.  Just FYI.
It’s from discord.
If I understand correctly, the Board 1525 without modification will not be ready to work with software mining.
Any commentary?

#1) The VCU1525 is equivalent to what I've been using to mine on amazon for almost a year. You can use about 85% of the logic before power becomes a significant problem.

#2) These are FPGA, not GPUs. You don't want to overclock it.

#3) On FPGA, the cooler they are, the better they operate. You should really put them in a proper datacenter. I would not recommend putting them in your typical 'mining warehouse barn' with the chickens and roosters.


-- I'm honestly not sure if whitefire is just trying to make money for bittware or what the deal is. He's really trying to push their overpriced cards.

-- We will be doing a gen 2 card based on the vcu1525 with an additional 8 pin PCI-E power input. HOWEVER, it will take months of design, evaluation, testing, etc before it's ready for sales. For right now, we can do the VCU1525 which we know will work for mining, we know what the maximum logic utilization for power, and we know what pricing we can give them to you at. (about 20% under avnet and 33% under bittware). What this all really comes down to is performance to cost. If you want to spend an extra $2,000 for the same chip just so you can have a watercooler on it (something you could do with the vcu1525).... have at it...

Edit:

-- And bittware is only going to give you a 90 day warranty anyway.. I'm sure that warranty would be void if you're running at a modified / increased voltage (overclocking). So, you really are paying +$2000 for a waterblock. Am I the only one out there who thinks that's crazy? Maybe it's just because I'm one of the few who know true chip pricing.


360  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: VCU1525 (FPGA MINER BOARD) - $3,000 to $4,000 on: May 22, 2018, 03:21:17 AM
avnet seems to have increased their prices.  Any idea when these will be available for sale?

I was planning to open up sales in the next couple of weeks.
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