That is really weird, do you know a service related to Bitcoin where you gave your phone number?
As I'm really wondering if this scam is targeted to the Bitcoin community or just random.
Probably isn't even a company related to Bitcoin as I for one don't know a single website/exchange which requires a phone number and if they do then they are likely selling the data on or have been compromised. It could be other websites/services selling the number on and not specifically targeted at people already invested in Bitcoin. |
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Eobot is one of the worst cloud mining together with Genesis Mining and some other cloud mining websites. You cannot ROI in both of the websites with their cloud mining services. In Eobot your earnings will be decreased everyday making your ROI impossible while in Genesis they will pay you at first, usually for a few months and then stop because of high maintenance fees and electricity cost. The only legit cloud mining is Hashnest as you have the option to sell your mining power but still to make ROI is impossible here too unless you are smart and good at trading your mining power.
They all end up scamming users. I wouldn't recommend anyone using these types of services unless you like to literally give away your money. They aren't profitable, and will likely end up hurting a lot of the users who were using the service. |
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I do not have very much sMerit to go around, but I will be taking a look at the linked posts where you believe yourself (or others) to have posted helpful, informative, interesting or high-quality content that is undervalued merit-wise.
I'll also be taking a look at this thread occasionally and distributing the merit that I have. I would encourage anyone who has merit to do this too. Hopefully, with all of our merit combined it will help quality users progress. If you'd like to keep this going past the point where you run out of sMerit, you could make something like a spreadsheet (or just modify OP) where you could keep a list of undermerited posts.
Other users could then come in and merit the posts on the list if they agreed with your evaluation, and then you could remove them from the spreadsheet.
(I've sent you some Merit for now so you can continue this though)
I quite like the idea of making it easily accessible for anyone viewing the thread. even if isn't a spreadsheet and is just a list of posts which you have been merited by OP but, are still under merited. |
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I know if a user has a negative they will likely just spend it on their alt because their account is worthless in their eyes, but discrediting users who have received negative trust shouldn't really happen.
The trust and the merit system should be kept separate. Just because someone isn't trusted doesn't mean they won't merit good posts. Yes it will be abused just like anything but, merits are public and should be easy to identify if this done excessively.
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If you can sign a message with that address with todays date that could be great. It won't be deleted but, if you sign a message DefaultTrust members can then put some feedback on the account alerting that it's been hacked. You could then contact cyrus to get it recovered.
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I guess you could in theory make a table on here which is pretty much the alternative to a Google Docs link but again making a table with BB code formatting is gonna take forever unless you make a CSV or something and upload it to those Text to BBcode sites which will do the job for you
I guess that's an option and I would be willing to put in the work. But, I feel that it would simply be too long for a post. Especially in a couple of months. I've got to get through a few hundred accounts which are on my backlog currently. I'll likely go through the pastebin/spreadsheet route. |
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If the forum gets hacked again, then who knows what will happen with the data which was compromised. It'll likely get sold and eventually surface in the public eyes for free.
How likely is it that the government will request your information? Unless, you are caught breaking the law and up on trial it's unlikely that they would send a request. The above link was major news around the crypto world. It's probably the biggest subpoena that theymos has received to date. If theymos does receive a request to release data on you then it's down to his discretion.
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Only administrators can see your IP address. If theymos receives a request from the government or whoever then he'll likely have to give up public information depending on the details of the case. Though, how likely would it be that the government would request theymos to release information. Especially if you are just browsing and taking part in discussion. theymos has in the past gave up public information: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881488.0Let's just say that case was quite substantial. I am willing to cooperate with police on real scams. Whenever someone asks me to release a scammer's IP, I tell them to have police email me from an official police address. I have received police requests a handful of times. Mostly the cases were real scams and I gave the police the requested info. In some cases I've rejected their requests. For example, I refused to give information to some foreign version of the SEC because securities laws are unjust. Of course, you should not trust that I will act in your best interest. If you want to be anonymous, then you must use Tor (or whatever).
Here's some information too, outdated but information nonetheless: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38253.0 |
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I'm sick and tired of hearing this personally. She's just used the same excuse that everyone uses when trying to find a issue with Bitcoin or cryptocurrency in general. It's always "It's anonymous and that means it will only by criminals". Bitcoin did get labeled in the early days as something that only nerds and criminals used, just because of it's involvement in The Silk Road.
The only counter argument that could be sent their way is that cash is used exactly the same way Bitcoin is. Cash is untraceable and is often used in underhand deals and the like. Does that mean everyone calls fiat currencies unacceptable because of this? No they don't. In fact her point is moot about Bitcoin and the lack of transparency because the last time I checked doesn't Bitcoin have a public ledger which shows all of the transactions which have ever been sent? A ledger which displays when new coins have been mined. Fiat currencies don't have this so you don't know when someone has moved anything or when new money has been printed off.
Today I learned;
- Fiat isn't used by criminals
- Fiat isn't funding terrorism
- Fiat is transparent
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I also think a spreadsheet or pastebin log would be great. Things would get a little bit messed up later on when list gets long with lot of usernames. Also I would say if you want to help staff to ban them better ask mprep how it should be maintained so that it gets comfortable for them to easily check and take action as necessary.
Seems the general consensus is that it should be moved off site and into a spreadsheet. I'll contact mprep what be the best way of doing this (I've been in contact with him over multiple things, probably annoying him now  ) I technically do have a list of some spammers (and ICOs who're hiring these spammers) but the issue is I dont have enough time to go through that list and make archives of all the users post histories which is why I was holding it off so far. Not to mention these annoying post limits due to me being a newbie lol. If you want I could probably pass on the users who are spamming to you if you're interested in making the archives.
Archiving is a pain, it takes hours. But, if I'm going to do any public lists I want to be able to reference why they were added in the first place. Otherwise, people have to take my word for it which I don't agree with. Plus I'm hoping archiving members who are spamming things which would normally get deleted and forgotten about will be able to use it as evidence for more severe punishments. If you want you can send any lists you have and I'll go through them check for duplicates, and archive all their posts and add them to the list. This goes for anyone who doesn't want to check whether there are duplicates or if the user fits in this list. |
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A lot of this is relavent to bounty managers rather than staff members but: 3- Posting reports should be in a single post by bounty hunters, just edit that single post for weekly reports. No need to spam bounty thread. Instead of this, it should be a rule that any bounty reports should be made off site. This will make it easier to identify and report the posts when they do post their reports on site. I'm not a big fan of moving off site normally, but it's needed in the bounty section. can we use report to moderator for all those reports posts which are still coming after so many warnings?
I use to disqualify all those who keep reporting after bounty end announcement.
If it's ended and they proceed to spam the thread with reports anyway, then sure report the posts. |
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I approached several members that maintain public lists and gave them a link to the one that I posted in aTriz's thread. But, I believe it was only aTriz that actually implemented my list into theirs. I didn't contact all the people you mentioned above.
I did mention when I posted the initial list that depending on implementation into other lists I would either send updates to those who have lists or are campaign managers. Though, like I said only one person seemed to implement it.
AFAIK, Red painter maintains a Account buyer/seller, Timelord maintains a alt account list none of these are included in my list. ANNBumping_needed exposed a few members but isn't actively maintaining it.
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The best way to format the list IMO would be a spreadsheet of sorts since: - Give access to some people you trust to add more people so even if the person maintaining is away for whatever reason the list is upto date
- You can make three to four sheets based on what rule they're breaking
I've considered a spreadsheet, but I would rather not use a external site. I guess it depends on how big this list is going to get as it could get annoying to view. I've still got like 200 odd accounts that need to be reviewed and put into the list so the list could indeed get much larger a few months from now. |
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Why did you put spammers and rule breakers into the same list? The former, we shouldn't tag, and the latter we should be tagging.
All of those that are included for breaking the rules are also spamming for example, "Good job", "Great project" and "Thanks" and other replies along the lines of those. No one has been included for breaking other rules. I don't think this deserves a negative trust rating, and should probably be left to be handled by the staff members. I'm looking into organizing them into categories such as: Bounties Spammers |
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Changelog: maydou
lucuilol
kitanodebunmi
Jolayemiinline1
Dauxay
mainethegreat
charsen23
splashfu
Coltpython
datones67
mdn2007
avizar
Heye
tatoche70
14 Accounts added. List Total: 263. Updated 25/05/2018 |
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So, after a suggestion from UltraElite I've decided to maintain a list of the people I find spamming, breaking the rules multiple times and users who are exclusively participating in bounties and nothing else or at least not offering any quality posts whilst participating in a bounty. I had already generated a lot of this list before the merit system came out, and depending on feedback from you guys I might remove certain categories and let the merit system do it's work. Although, we'll see how the merit system does in a few months before doing that depending on the public input I may consider removing spammers and people only participating in bounties. The users who are on this list for breaking the rules multiple times will likely stay on this list, as I'll be using this list as a reference for reporting posts if a user has been caught multiple times before. Hopefully, the staff member which looks at the report will appreciate it and will be able to use archive for evidence. (as not all staff members can see deleted posts) Hopefully this list will not only help staff members, but people who also maintain a list, and signature managers to stop users like these getting in. I also need some suggestions for formatting this list, I want to include archives for every user even if I don't need to reference to them. If you find your name on this list, and have since improved your posts then send me a message and I'll take a look and review. You'll likely not be removed straight away or if you are then you'll be monitored for a while to assure you aren't continuing to spam. *=Negative rating Onix Archive sabbir2world Archive douinaho Archive gerad09 Archive YS84 Archive Simpler Archive migz Archive Rodimill8 Archive Mackenzie Archive Ted Kin Archive Altryist Archive kmntrci Archive nexsto Archive olympys Archive easyrimka Archive KathPine Archive demoncity Archive evenotto Archive seirahangel Archive hicham0211 Archive YackBallz Archive bluberry7 Archive Mkmanik Archive Kim Archive focacho1 Archive pazzanegro Archive BitByata Archive grossmasterk Archive fisherm Archive v_i_p Archive AngelMeso Archive Tornadoduke Archive stil55 Archive Yemolou Archive dxbcoin Archive cammie16 Archive Lisa110386 Archive n0gard Archive Dmitro777 Archive digitalcap Archive ferry168 Archive Andrjha Archive aowsma Archive Foundico.com Archive xux99 Archive emile12 Archive alexkln Archive fromcoins Archive faimenliti Archive caex Archive Scytic Archive dutchkay Archive axiline Archive Klara_karlovna Archive cake101 Archive xquad Archive Willytom Archive JackyVanmarsenille Archive will777 Archive Koskas91 Archive Basaleyi Archive iffeanyii Archive Iced Archive Temmy007 Archive yinoye Archive 1C6fV5DtakfKANLJ8GUV7hCaA Archive zdl666 Archive danielogalue Archive kioicoin Archive Wunderkind Archive hanof Archive a6ledn218 Archive shae123 Archive bhooscream Archive Albe96XDAa Archive wujil Archive elsya syafira Archive * xmGx Archive mkomi Archive Matteo.b Archive wiredideas Archive Rasa nanas Archive Yey09 Archive catmilk Archive mmo4me.2016 Archive o.ogurlu Archive raketeramom Archive * kamrulhasan001 Archive dnrmix Archive Salfuk Archive gradegal Archive oleksii777 Archive scolonyminer Archive kudil Archive cryptodrunk Archive dreamsinfo Archive Mila Safronova Archive Olyalya Archive sesta Archive EvaBoucheron Archive deeofficialx Archive Madlen Archive conanmori Archive devandaru Archive 3acaga Archive oktapodia Archive Pipitnurul Archive * jason meneses Archive julia220 Archive ardiente666 Archive Mersterious Archive Dayattaufik Archive arkaasay Archive originalcoin Archive junbatz Archive ranz1123 Archive Xtinah Archive Michael4me2 Archive Nwachukwu2 Archive nxnqauff Archive stasiulman Archive asuusa Archive Photo-Graf Archive rk_onyx Archive t3ChNo Archive kriegder3koenig10 Archive alex88 Archive Aleeyou Archive seimob Archive whalez Archive Adrazan Archive yselacreyo3 Archive moicha Archive AmodeusLex Archive Iamabod Archive Habib378 Archive monitornvest Archive Magernskikano Archive Rati24 Archive stantpro Archive walou Archive Nujerzeydevil91 Archive free2yu Archive chenh0109 Archive Medracen Archive romannn Archive khongbiengioic06 Archive Crysty Archive butrsukumpanumet Archive Makest Archive Greatergrace Archive karemm Archive jarong Archive jamesllaneta Archive shinkosmos Archive Kamu_Patek Archive Louise316 Archive WL082746 Archive flat1983 Archive wanglili1983 Archive yangshenglu Archive johnsheva Archive dontknowwhy Archive nguyen0806 Archive mr.charming Archive Bisiland Archive zarintasnim Archive Hasan905 Archive mona55 Archive flntyey Archive moola_ Archive Mokter Archive kohanvn Archive antsam Archive BigDig Archive alfian123 Archive y6uBaKa Archive Walecash Archive ninch Archive exitos Archive Subchanallah Archive Ashdrake Archive candymimi007 Archive abakr Archive wim255 Achive nightl Archive dipphong Archive manadger Archive SantiagoBenz Archive Mr.Noda Archive Miloudi0912 Archive shidayat8 Archive lunar blazz Archive chienvannguyen Archive kevingreen Archive pero991 Archive quimbi777651 Archive vivavivu Archive 4p0l4k4y Archive hacker1001101001 Archive karkajuth Archive CrazyClock Archive franks182 Archive CryptopreneurBrainboss Archive Wilkinson Archive SektorPiii Archive ann_82 Archive sayedtaha Archive tromol ninja Archive jacklink2 Archive luizlopes2017 Archive markgayamo Archive * 6Asmodeus6 Archive Nwereonye Archive naufalbashar Archive n7788 Archive aaastanin Archive CryptoMyFuture Archive CryptoViki Archive worldooftanks Archive Muggie Archive Ksonatos Archive Bakscher Archive bodeng Archive asem Archive mmmmyah Archive penglipurlara Archive bey85 Archive doba85 Archive jtmark22 Archive atun jong Archive frauswif Archive a137924685 Archive Intellecual Romanticist Archive Goooope Archive Edyca13 Archive CapnBDL Archive snakejack Archive vasilisc555 Archive MuhNofa Archive Yalovtsev Archive lexalebas Archive * Ochakemaput Archive ooaeoo Archive Ahmiel1118 Archive octron2017 Archive TonyLukarelly87 Archive yenilmez86 Archive haithemfar Archive maydou Archive lucuilol Archive kitanodebunmi Jolayemiinline1 Dauxay mainethegreat charsen23 splashfu Coltpython datones67 mdn2007 avizar Heye tatoche70 I'm in the process of removing known banned members a few have already been removed from the original post I posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2740829.msg28395872#msg28395872 I'm aiming to update the list every 2 weeks. |
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Hire an accountant. This is the only way you will know that what you are doing is 100% legal. Accountants can offer advise on the best way to go about things as well as confirming any worries you may have. This is especially true if you are cashing out a large amount. Accountants are actually pretty cheap to hire and could be the difference of finding yourself in jail, and enjoying your money on the beach.
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Sounds good, just give it to everyone. E.g. 1 "termination" for every 10 sMerits you send. Sure there might be some limited abuse but IMHO it's better than another centralized layer of patrollers.
Giving it to everyone would just be a bad idea. For example, Lauda and The Pharmacist and actmyname would be targeted by people they have found out. Although, I'm usually all for decentralization I just can't see it easily being implemented without a lot of abuse. However, the suggestion of getting 1 termination for every 10 sMerits you get means the account would at least need to be credited for constructive posts which might just prevent abuse. It would likely need to be set higher than that to prevent several alt accounts targeting certain users. |
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Giving anyone the ability to demerit a post would likely just cause absolute chaos among the users of this forum. I'm certainly not a big fan of that.
Lutpins suggestion is a pretty good one. Let's give the new system a few months to get used too and see how the sources are managing it. Then possibly selecting the 'best' or most active sources and granting them the ability to become "merit patrollers"
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I have mixed feelings about the new system. I feel that the system in general is working from the stand point of quality posts. I think we've seen many different users trying to earn merit points and are therefore now contributing to discussion much more than they have before. I think we've seen a lot more in depth and constructive posts. Certainly discussion relating to the new system there's been much discussion in the main announcement and suggestions and changes. The main objective seems to be working and that was to improve post quality. But, I believe there are a few pitfalls and a few genuine users are going to get hurt by this system. I mentioned on the main thread that a downfall to this sort of system is that people who start the topics are going to get a lot more merits than anyone posting in existing discussion. This will likely lead to people posting new threads which are duplicates from others in attempt to earn more merits. Also, well thought out responses are getting lost a few posts in and arn't getting any merit at all. Early observations have shown that only a few posts a few pages in are getting merits. I think another pitfall in the system is that at the moment Smerits are inconsistent. You'll see a lot of the higher ranked members and people who are generally known getting the majority of the points. I feel unless there are hundreds of sources added in the future (which theymos suggested will likely happen) people trying to rank up will struggle. Especially, when only 1 merit point is given out to a quality post. They would literally need to make hundreds of quality and informative posts and get NOTICED to rank up. I really do feel the newly ranked members are going to get shafted because a lot of the merit points are just going to be distributed between those who are well known in the community already. Also, it seems at the moment merit points are being awarded to those already knowledgeable about Bitcoin. Not those asking questions and creating in depth discussions. I think we need to reward those who are trying to learn more by asking complex questions. Obviously, not reward questions like "What exchange" etc. Really though it's too early to judge and we should at least allow a few months before passing judgment. We do have the same thing in mind. I hope theymos can see this. I'm 30 activities away from becoming an Sr. Member now i need to earn 150 Merits just to rank up.
It's a good thing tho to remove alt accounts lessen the problems with them.
There's been several changes to how users obtain ranks. It used to be tied to post count alone which meant you could literally spam your way up to hero member in a day. A lot of people when activity was introduced lost their rank and downgraded quite a bit. |
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