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61  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ChipMixer - mixing reinvented on: July 02, 2017, 08:36:15 AM
Yes. You can keep one for yourself and one to whomever you want.

* Don't send your private key to someone you don't trust.

P.S. Main point in ChipMixer's post in Reddit  is timelock [1] transaction, not multisig.

[1] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Timelock

Great explanation.

Basically, the proof section of the Chipmixer site is its main provably fair mechanism, since it publishes private keys every single day to prove that bets aren't rigged. What you can do is create a multisig wallet with one of your own private keys and the other as Chipmixer's private key, and voila, your coins aren't technically yours anymore.

So you must be careful in choosing whom to add as a cosigner and not to create a 2-of-2 multisig address with a party who could potentially not sign your transaction. Otherwise, you will loose your coins send to that address. For example, you used 2-of-2 multisig when trading and you had an argument with the buyer/seller, he could decide not to sign transaction and you will loose your Bitcoin. Vice versa, you can do the same too! For trading, it's better to include one or more trusted third party depending on the trade as a cosigner, creating a 2-of-3 multisig address or m-of-n multisig address, n>=3 & m<n.

I have a question - if your coins are in multisig at the time of a hard fork, what will happen to your funds?

Multisig addresses are no different than normal address when it comes to transaction other than 2 or more signatures are required to send Bitcoin in it. Therefore, if there is a hardfork, you can broadcast your transaction into both chains or you can use a client which supports the chain you want. Usually, wallets choose a chain which is technically better/correct or widely accepted.



There is no "coins" in blockchain, only outputs. When a hardfork happens, blockchain will be split into. A chain on top of the blockchain without new rules and a blockchain with new rules. Outputs after hardfork in a chain will be invalid in the other blockchain. When choosing a chain, you must be careful not to chose a chain which nobody or very few people use because you can not broadcast a transaction which includes an output in a blockchain, to other chain.

If you don't understand, consider the current blockchain as a "path", say main_path. What happens when hardforking is, like the path being split into two different paths, say path 1(chain 1) & path 2(chain 2). You can choose which one to walk on  -- choose chain.

  • Now, consider you are walking on main_path and you or someone stored something, say money, in a place along the way -- a transaction in current blockchain.
  • You go on main_path and at the end, you are met with two paths, path 1 & path 2  -- hardfork
  • You choose path 1  -- chain 1.
  • You or someone else deposited money in a place on path 1  -- sending/receiving transaction in chain 1
  • Let's say, after sometime, you want to take all the money you stored along the way. -- sending output
  • Regardless of the path(path 1 & path 2) you want to walk to, you *will* have to go through main_path  -- current blockchain.
  • You can take money deposited in main_path regardless of which path you want to go *to* because to get to path 1 or path 2, you have to go through main_path  --  using output in main chain in a transaction and broadcasting it to either of the chains - chain 1 & chain 2.

Now, consider these questions:

Q) Will you be able to get your deposit(output) in path 1(chain 1), if you go through path 2(chain 2)?
A) No.

Q) Doesn't that mean that if you send Bitcoin in chain 1, then that transaction won't be shown in chain 2?
A) Yes.

Q) If so, doesn't that mean we can spend double-spend?
A) Yes. But do note that, outputs in only *one* chain will be valuable.

Q) But, how do I know which chain to follow?
A) You can follow a chain which is followed by most.

Q) I followed a chain and there were many who used that blockchain. My transactions are all in blocks belonging to that chain. What do I do if no one uses that chain anymore? Can I recover my Bitcoin?
A) Your Bitcoin in main_chain will be there in the other blockchain even if you have already used it in the "wrong" chain. All the Bitcoin you received after hardfork, that is, when you used "wrong" chain, will be lost. You have to tell senders to resend Bitcoin to new address and this time, broadcast transaction to the "current/accepted" chain.

Did I miss anything or can't you understand someting? Feel free to ask in *another thread*.

Don't understand you understand anything at all? Ask your questions/doubts in a new thread and someone will answer you.

*  Word "output" here refers to UTXO(unspent transaction output).



Is there any way that Chipmixer can offer this service trustlessly as well, for example with nlocktime?

I am not sure how ChipMixer does it. But, there is already a wallet which use nLocktime. You may have heard about it. It is called GreenAddress.

https://greenaddress.it/
62  Other / Meta / Re: Images in posts disabled for newbies on: July 02, 2017, 06:35:04 AM
Could someone explain to me how many posts are required to get out of the newbie designation?

When you become Jr. Member, i.e. activity reaches 30. It isn't far for you!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0
63  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Seed preservation on: July 01, 2017, 11:48:07 PM
Just memorize it, shouldn't be too hard with 12 words.

Repeat it everyday.

http://www.memory-improvement-tips.com/best-memory-trick.html
64  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ChipMixer - mixing reinvented on: July 01, 2017, 11:30:55 PM
Assuming chips in ChipMixer as "poker chips"(chips in casinos) may make understanding them easier.

Correct, i think that was the sort of thing that the Chipmixer team was aiming for as well.

The whole concept is quite easy to undrestand actually. But the "chips" make it impossible for chipmixer to reuse funds from your address, thus ensuring better anonymity than what you'd get from a normal bitcoin wallet.

I just saw Chipmixer's post on reddit as well regarding their way to combat the new regulations. I was wondering though, you can just have a 2-2 multisig and leave one of the keys at home or in the possession of a friend as well right?

Yes. You can keep one for yourself and one to whomever you want.

* Don't send your private key to someone you don't trust.

P.S. Main point in ChipMixer's post in Reddit  is timelock [1] transaction, not multisig.

[1] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Timelock
65  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Cgminer suddenly not responding/mining on: July 01, 2017, 10:51:45 PM
Post here -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28402.0.
66  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Secure desktop wallet in student dorm on: July 01, 2017, 10:44:10 PM
If you are afraid others will see your password while you type, take your notebook with you to bathroom. Wink I highly doubt anyone would barge into bathroom while you "use". Roll Eyes
67  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Wallet for Android / Re: workflow: app to de.schilbach wallet query for a valid wallet payment address? on: July 01, 2017, 10:28:55 PM
Doesn't Android Bitcoin wallet support exporting xPub? If yes, isn't that enough to generate new addresses? I haven't used android wallet for a long time now. So I don't know what all new features it have.


I don't think so, in fact it's extremely difficult to export the seed words, or private keys from the wallet.

Andreas Schildbach doesn't agree that users should be able to export their private keys. All his wallet's GUI allows is backing up an encrypted wallet file. Getting the seed is possible, but not through the GUI.

Private keys are not meant to be moved around, because they are very sensitive to theft. In fact the only reason to move them out of the app is a backup of the keys (which is unfortunately necessary).

If you want to move value to another wallet, use a standard Bitcoin transaction. That's much safer!

I don't mean seed or xPrv, but xPub. It can be exported, right? If even xPub can't be exported, I will be disappointed in this wallet. No offence. I have used it before and I really liked it. Don't want to see it going downhill.
68  Other / Meta / Re: How can I avoid red trust? on: July 01, 2017, 10:21:39 PM
I think most people's red trust stems from asking for a loan with no collateral

You will get it if you are Jr. Member and below or if you don't have any successful deals and you ask a loan of high amount with no collateral. If you got negative trust feedback for loan with no collateral as a Newbie, over time, it can be removed or at least, changed to neutral.
69  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: cannot sing messages with this type of address on: July 01, 2017, 10:13:48 PM
After you enter xPrv in "BIP32 Root Key", don't click "BIP32" in derivation path. By default it will use BIP44 default derivation path and see if addresses you are looking for are generated.

also there are no my addresses

Enter redeemScript you got in http://coinb.in/#verify and check if the address you got is the same as the address in your wallet.
70  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Wallet for Android / Re: workflow: app to de.schilbach wallet query for a valid wallet payment address? on: July 01, 2017, 10:05:18 PM
Doesn't Android Bitcoin wallet support exporting xPub? If yes, isn't that enough to generate new addresses? I haven't used android wallet for a long time now. So I don't know what all new features it have.

I'm still not entirely what the use case is here... Why would you be wanting to automatically generate a receive address from another app? Huh

Would you not be more likely to be wanting to make a payment from another app? So you click the "pay now" link (ie. a bitcoin: URI with address to send to and the amount) and your wallet opens up and creates a transaction ready to be sent.

But I can't quite get my head around wanting to get a receive address while I'm in another app... and needing that app to be able to communicate with my wallet in a programmatic way... Huh

For receiving payments to new addresses each time. You may need to do it for privacy, for example, if you have a shop or if you are a seller.

  -snip-
That key might be receiving a stream of payments into it.  And you might want it to be a different torn off key from your wallet on each payment, rather than the same one as now (or requiring the user to share/copy multiple times manually).
It would always be a new empty wallet key.
  -snip-
71  Other / Meta / Re: How can I avoid red trust? on: July 01, 2017, 09:47:38 PM
  -snip-
How can I avoid it completely?,

Don't do anything to get negative trust feedback. Scamming, spamming, excessive trolling are plagiarism are some of them. As to which deserve negative trust and which don't vary from person to person. But users in DT trust list won't do anything "excessive". Else, they will be removed.

And in the other hand, how can one receive positive trust  from default members or anybody?
  -snip-

Be honest, contribute to forum and successful transaction. Point it out if I missed any!
72  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Having trouble installing armory deb file on Ubuntu usb live on: July 01, 2017, 09:37:27 PM
Code:
sudo apt-get install git-core build-essential pyqt4-dev-tools swig libqtcore4 libqt4-dev python-qt4 python-dev python-twisted python-psutil

http://falkvinge.net/2014/02/10/placing-your-crypto-wealth-in-cold-storage-installing-armory-on-ubuntu/
http://bitzuma.com/posts/offline-installation-of-armory-on-tails-and-ubuntu-linux/
73  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: cannot sing messages with this type of address on: July 01, 2017, 09:05:28 PM
After you enter xPrv in "BIP32 Root Key", don't click "BIP32" in derivation path. By default it will use BIP44 default derivation path and see if addresses you are looking for are generated.
74  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Are my coins in Electrum safe with my current set up? on: July 01, 2017, 08:01:57 PM
  -snip-
in order to do what Muhammed Zakir said in above post you need to be a little familiar with Linux. otherwise it will be a nightmare (speaking from experience Grin)

If you are using command line, then it maybe more difficult than you image to set it up in Linux for those who are unfamiliar with Linux. But, Electrum has a GUI app which you could use. So it is as easy as setting up a normal wallet, just more time consuming.
75  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum stole my bitcoin wtf? on: July 01, 2017, 07:24:47 PM
He already said it was his mistake, but doesn't want to share it with us...

It was me.. dont worry about it I figured it out. Sad

17MxKujaf2sFtGzX36tSkVFXwkJCDsSS8J can be found in http://www.allprivatekeys.com/1157920892373161954235709850086879078528375642790749043826051631415181614942
76  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Seed preservation on: July 01, 2017, 07:13:23 PM
I just convert it to QR code using some open source QR code generator and of course,  I've run it offline and save it as a PDF file then encrypt it with a strong password, then upload it on some trusted app online, I will not store it on a paper since there are possibilities that this paper will lose including some important files when something happens like a typhoon or some disaster (just in case) since I'm living here in a tropical region/country so I just uploaded it online and I feel it's safe there.

You should upload to different servers so your backup won't be lost in case one is down and a few paper backups, in case all servers are gone (unlikely) or if you forgot your password. IMO, an encrypted backup is good, but you should use a password which you won't forget and not some "hard-to-crack password which is hard to remember. Forgetting your password is the last thing you want to happen when backing up an important file.
77  Other / Meta / Re: Why is this kind of spamm tolerated on Bitcointalk? on: July 01, 2017, 06:57:30 PM
As we are talking about spam here, I want to know if this is considered as (sig) spam or not. Please read the whole thread(only 1 page) before answering.

-snip-
It depends a lot on the opinion of who is reading the post and managing the campaign.

Sorry if I made a confusion by writing "sig" there. I was asking if such posts are spam and if they are deleted.

In my opinion: Yes.

Me too!

Because everything he says in his post has already been answered and quoted more than once in previous comments or it's simple wrong. If you have nothing to contribute in the post, then do not comment. This is my opinion at least.

Everything he said has already been said by others or is wrong and even the wrong statement he made has been posted one by another user and I already posted it is wrong. It can be said there is "nothing" in his post. Roll Eyes

  -snip-
And in the last as everyone said you will never access to your bitcoin in the time when they go down and any site often face that issue so try to keep some of your funds in any other wallet too as you may need them in any emergency
You are able to backup your wallet from Blockchain.info and access your wallet if the website is ever offline. Incorrect information.

Already stated by another user before him and corrected by me.
78  Other / Meta / Re: My proposal to forum administration on: July 01, 2017, 06:21:31 PM
I believe everything there is to be discussed about this proposal is already discussed. Is there any reason to continue this discussion?

In fact, I don't see anything wrong with preventing such situations from happening before they actually come around since everything happens for the first time one day. Basically, it is just a matter of time.
It has never happened, and in expectancy of it happening once we should do this? Seems to be the opposite of normalcy bias.

Let's cut the crap here

You may twist the facts as much as you want with your buddy minifrij but you were a moderator (by whatever name), and you were kicked for doing something which a moderator is not allowed to do. I don't know the details of that story since I'm not very much interested in such stories in general (maybe, you had some reason behind your actions after all, I don't know). But personally, to me, blackmailing someone is a lot heavier "crime" than just stealthily deleting posts of some user which you may not quite like. So please don't tell me about "the opposite of normalcy bias"

When did that happen? Can someone give me a link to a detailed thread(if any)?
79  Other / Meta / Re: Why is this kind of spamm tolerated on Bitcointalk? on: July 01, 2017, 06:13:46 PM
As we are talking about spam here, I want to know if this is considered as(sig) spam or not and if they are deleted by mods/staffs. Please read the whole thread(only 1 page) before answering.

Hi,
Is blochchain.nfo online wallet safe?
Can I still access my BTC if the site go down for any reason?
According to my experience with blockchain.info . It is a safe online wallet if you will save your password and your 12 words provided from them for the recovery of your account while if you lose them then no one will be able to recover your wallet. In this case better is that you join any other online wallet.
For long term storage never ever use online wallet and no one know about their mood and their future.
And in the last as everyone said you will never access to your bitcoin in the time when they go down and any site often face that issue so try to keep some of your funds in any other wallet too as you may need them in any emergency

*Edited
80  Other / Meta / Re: Stake your Bitcoin address here on: July 01, 2017, 06:07:15 PM
New;

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I am VirosaGITS
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
14gJjXNAMGkyQAgjKbVKPuziejfNGvm89j
IAV0O9l3mjdlhyakLaKuSykGE0u9xedldwvPzD7KUOf2N8FASwEOEk7Ht7OcuSL46RW4vU0Uof4x5Xh r5wo4ak4=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I now got a hardware wallet Smiley

Previous Sig;

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Changing to 14gJjXNAMGkyQAgjKbVKPuziejfNGvm89j
Also Changing my Password
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
Version: MultiBit HD (0.5.1)
Comment: https://multibit.org
Address: 1N9TBCcrwqrk7ZC4PWiuU1nUf8qkt7eEXR

IMBY2r8YY0+N9IB9k/Jozi7GFQXtHT0oMAlXZw8ruqzefung/G76L/4ZJiVcJLHH0iT0l/iYlX1QQnxYOZ4/3sQ=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----

Cheers!

Quoted and verified.

1N9TBCcrwqrk7ZC4PWiuU1nUf8qkt7eEXR - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.msg14039362#msg14039362

* Quoting it from shorena's thread in begginers & help board.
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