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601  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 14, 2016, 07:36:27 PM
The point is bitcoin inflation rate is going down while steem inflation rate is not.

Well, Steem inflates at about the same rate as Bitcoin (for Bitcoin's first 8 years.)

Steemit has 8 years to figure out a better plan.

I proposed a method to reduce or negate inflation, and there are others as well.

https://steemit.com/sip/@coinhoarder/steem-proposal-offsetting-steem-power-debasement-through-unobtrusive-advertisements#@coinhoarder/re-blakemiles84-re-coinhoarder-re-donkeypong-re-coinhoarder-steem-proposal-offsetting-steem-power-debasement-through-unobtrusive-advertisements-20160712t074215888z
602  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 14, 2016, 07:31:56 PM
Prove me wrong then , why do people buy steem other than to speculate?

To get more sway and profit in content curation, genius.
No one cares about voting power, all they care about is increasing their steem stash which is speculation.

So you can read minds now?  Roll Eyes  Cheesy
603  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 14, 2016, 07:29:04 PM
Prove me wrong then , why do people buy steem other than to speculate?

To get more sway and profit in content curation, genius.

Which is speculation, even more genius.

You could argue that buying any cryptocurrency is speculation. The same could be said about Bitcoin.

You asked what uses other than speculation do people have for buying STEEM, and I gave you an answer.

They get more power as to what content gets upvoted, and they also make more money from curating. That is a purpose separate from speculating. You are some kind of dumb.

It is clear you have not read or do not understand the Steem whitepaper.

FUD on brother.
604  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 14, 2016, 07:23:20 PM
Prove me wrong then , why do people buy steem other than to speculate?

To get more sway and profit in content curation, genius.
605  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 14, 2016, 07:09:19 PM
Bitcoin is deflationary
No, Bitcoin has not (and will not ever be) deflationary in our life times.

Bitcoin will inflate until approximately the year 2140.

For the first 2 years of Bitcoin’s life the network sustained an annual inflation rate of over 100%.

For the first 5 years it was over 30%, and for the first 8 years it was over 10%.




Bitcoin ... has real utility ( demand) which is the exact opposite of steem

That is your subjective opinion. Not an objective fact.
606  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What do you think of STEEM? on: July 14, 2016, 05:27:49 PM
There are there a few similar projects out there, including one on ethereum.

I prefer things that exist and work compared to vaporware.
607  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What do you think of STEEM? on: July 14, 2016, 05:23:05 PM
Maybe I don't understand that steem thing... have not taken the time to fully study it ... but my burning question with steem is:
If you invest  there ... what keeps them from closing your access or the access of all the people and run away?
It looks very unsafe as an investment to me.
There is a command line client available if they do that. Just save your private keys.

They won't do that though. Their money is locked in as SP and they can only withdraw it in 104 weekly payments over the course of two years. It would be really stupid for them to do that, as the price would crater.
608  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Proof-of-stake can never scale without blowing up, because PoS isn't trustless on: July 14, 2016, 04:27:12 PM
All consensus algorithms have cons. PoW, PoS, etc... by focusing on the shortcomings of anything, I can make it look like a pile of crap. Everything and everyone in existence has shortcomings. Nothing is perfect. Anonymity is fooling himself thinking he can come up with a perfect consensus algorithm, and is definitely fooling himself thinking he can come up with a perfect cryptocurrency.
609  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What do you think of STEEM? on: July 14, 2016, 04:21:21 PM
The way things are going right now with 500+ new users every day, we may well see $10 or thereabouts hit before a correction happens. Price momentum is massive at the moment.
Yes price movementum is quite massive currently but i don't see any reason that can support even the current 3$ price range for much time. I am expecting crash below 1$ soon before any rise again (which seems really not possible) if current movementum get discountinued.

That is what everyone (including me) said about Ethereum. Truth is no one knows. It is still growing at a very fast rate, so I could see it meeting or surpassing Ethereum. If you compare the two.. there's nothing you can do with Ethereum right now. At least Steemit is functioning.

You know you are doing something right when the sock puppets make fake pump threads to make it look bad, then troll them saying its a scam over and over. Truth is they are just mad their shitcoin wasn't the one that was pumped.

610  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 14, 2016, 06:18:38 AM
Very well. Have a good night. Go get some sleep!
611  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 14, 2016, 06:14:34 AM

That was a quickie. Did you score any smoochie pussycat on your 2 hour date?

Not tonight. 2 hours? Are you high or something? I was gone for almost 4 hours.

Whoops I haven't slept for 24 hours, so yeah time is flying especially when debating kiklo. You're a sugarpie compared to that monster. Happy to have you back. Please proceed to the other thread and tell me why I am wrong about Dan creating a centralized Frankenstein.

Thanks for the kind words, but I have wasted enough time here tonight. I am going back to Steemit where I have made $150 with no capital investment. Maybe if you send me $20 in Paypal I will stay and hang out with you?
612  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 14, 2016, 06:08:04 AM

That was a quickie. Did you score any smoochie pussycat on your 2 hour date?

Not tonight. 2 hours? Are you high or something? I was gone for almost 4 hours.
613  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 14, 2016, 06:04:43 AM
Steem ... hyperinflation will be harmful to everyone in the long run.

If you consider Steem as hyperinflating, then I guess you feel the same way about Bitcoin?

Bitcoin's hyperinflation sure has been harmful to everyone. It has risen from $0 to $657. That is super harmful for sure. I feel sorry for all those greater fool n00b (that one was for Anonymint) Bitcoin early adopters.

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For the first 2 years of Bitcoin’s life the network sustained an annual inflation rate of over 100%. For the first 5 years it was over 30%, and for the first 8 years it was over 10%. According to the tool for estimating future inflation included with the Steem source code, Steem by contrast will achieve an instantaneous annual rate of approximately 12% after just 1 year (not including the effects of SMD operations).
614  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Synereo vs Steem, which one will lead the decentralized social media revolution? on: July 14, 2016, 02:20:08 AM
rebutted every thing you written over numerous posts. You haven't gotten even one point correct.

You think you have, but you haven't. It's called being wrong. Don't get down on yourself... it happens to everyone every now and then!
615  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Synereo vs Steem, which one will lead the decentralized social media revolution? on: July 14, 2016, 02:12:13 AM
You are still off base. I am also getting tired of debating someone who thinks he is omniscient yet off on so many factors, but I guess I am getting used to it by now because this is how all of our debates go. Whoever sits at the keyboard longest wins (you).

I will be back later.. I have a date tonight.  Grin
616  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 14, 2016, 01:42:22 AM
don't waste your time with this troll(albert11)... when he gets all the aswers he will start asking some stupid questions from scratch again...

answer my question or fuck off troll

how holding powered steem would protect you from hyperinflation ?

It has been answered for you many times already.
617  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Synereo vs Steem, which one will lead the decentralized social media revolution? on: July 14, 2016, 01:33:14 AM
so this investment sector is not dependent on what the price does.

Profitability of mining (bitcoin) is indeed greatly influenced by market cap, just as profitability of contributing (steemit) is influenced by market cap. Have you ever even mined any cryptocurrency in your life? That is pretty basic...

My even stronger point though is that mining doesn't collapse to a disaster if the price drops by 1/10.
This is not a stronger point. If price falls 90% then so does the profitability of mining (bitcoin). Similarly, if price falls 90% then so does contributing (steemit). They are very similar, yet you deny them being so.

Yes it is because the users have to also figure out that the high payout rates which initially excite them are not average.
Who are you to decide what people will be happy with? You are not omniscient. Legacy social networks pay them nothing. As long as they are getting paid something they may stay. If some leave, then contribution profits go up for everyone that does stay. Eventually equilibrium is reached. Think of it as being the same as mining difficulty going down on Bitcoin. See my point? The economics of mining with hardware (bitcoin) and mining with contributing (steemit) work in similar ways.

As to your other point, Eastern Europeans making crap posts will not get up voted by westerners that have easily a majority of Steen Power. I don't know how you expect them to take over unless they can somehow post better content, then they would deserve to.

Same with Bitcoin... The usership speculation is driven by the expectation usership and market cap will grow.
Bitcoin's market cap is not primarily driven by some need to not fall below a certain price otherwise cratering the usership.
I hate to break it to you, but there is certainly a "point of no return" that Bitcoin could fall to which would crater usership/interest/speculation.

And no, people are not using speculating on Bitcoin with the expectation the market cap or usership will decline.

You are comparing apples, but claiming you are comparing apples and oranges.
618  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Synereo vs Steem, which one will lead the decentralized social media revolution? on: July 14, 2016, 12:04:48 AM
The financial pyramid here is the need to keep the growth of the market cap faster than the growth of new bloggers, else the payouts per blogger will decline.

Is this any different than bitcoin? Did bitcoin had to grow its marketcap faster than the mining difficulty? why is it different with STEEM?

Mining scales to the market cap. The ASIC manufacturers and ASIC farms can continue to cannibalize the marginal miners.

Yeah I think it is totally different. The usership of Bitcoin is not driven by an expectation that the market cap has grow faster than the adoption. I mean Bitcoin doesn't become totally non-viable if the price collapses from $1200 to $150. Whereas for Steemit if the price collapses then the users (bloggers) might leave.

This argument is bunk. Mining scales with the market cap just as contribution rewards scales with the market cap. There is no difference.

The usership is not driven by the expectation that the market cap will grow faster than the usership. All it has to do is grow at a similar or slightly slower pace. The payouts are insanely high right now, therefore it is a silly statement to say market cap has to grow at a higher pace than usership, or that there is an expectation that it will do so.

Same with Bitcoin... The usership speculation is driven by the expectation usership and market cap will grow. Not necessarily that one will grow faster than the other.
619  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Synereo vs Steem, which one will lead the decentralized social media revolution? on: July 13, 2016, 11:12:14 PM
I don't believe it is a pyramid scheme, because new revenue streams pop up as the user base grows. Once you reach the levels of usership of the social networking behemoths, which is feasible considering the user incentives, the internet traffic alone can sustain the incentives indefinitely via paid advertising.

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The social network on Wednesday said advertising revenue jumped 57% in the first quarter to $5.2 billion from $3.3 billion.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-revenue-soars-on-ad-growth-1461787856

That is revenue, not profit.

With a mostly autonomous solution, revenue would not be far off from profit. For instance, I posit the paid advertising proposal I designed will not have any expenses at all (other than ad duration): https://steemit.com/sip/@coinhoarder/steem-proposal-offsetting-steem-power-debasement-through-unobtrusive-advertisements

Even if it is as low as you claim, $10 per user per year is more than anyone is getting on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.
620  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Synereo vs Steem, which one will lead the decentralized social media revolution? on: July 13, 2016, 10:23:56 PM
Then after the marvellous bottom barrel accomplishment (and Bitshares' past track record such as creating BitUSD which has no market use case and an Open Exchange that apparently has no market use case), you allow the possibility they might somehow morph it into greatness.

Your jealousy of Daniel Larimer has never ceased to amaze me. He has pioneered smart contract blockchain technology, and delivered on two cutting edge projects which are in the top 15 of cryptocurrency market capitalization. You have done nothing but troll the Bitcointalk forums (I feel your pain... I am in the same boat  Cheesy). You perpetually claim to have solutions to all the "flawed" cryptocurrencies, which according to you all of them are flawed, but are never able to provide any evidence of the said solutions. You are the definition of FUD.

If Bitshares' bitUSD and the Decentralzied Exchange does not have a use case, then why are people using it?  Roll Eyes

https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/bitshares-asset-exchange/

You can link to some FUD article if you wish to try and prove your point, but I prefer to link to cold hard facts recorded in immutable blockchains.
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