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621  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bitfetch - Anonymous Remote Torrent Downloading on: July 13, 2013, 03:20:43 PM
The king is dead! Hail to the king!

Smiley

Welcome and thanks for reducing the price, but why not be a bit more aggressive? Grant your users a 100% referral bonus for example. This effectively also halfs the price/profit but gets you known. I found the price very well before already and I would rather want to see your service grow fast. So far, nobody knows about it. You can still lower your price when the competition wakes up.

Just because not having an email address distinguishes you from others, doesn't mean optionally having one wouldn't improve your service. Sure, people that download movies for example, should not put in their verified gmail address if they live in countries that honor copyright, but having that feature would still be nice. Memorizable credentials to recover an account would also be nice. Why not mung my credentials into a secondary token? You could hash login+password client-side. This would not lead to you having a way to contact me, but it would be much more transportable and even safer in case my computer is lost. My password safe would hold the login and not my bookmarks.
622  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 13, 2013, 01:15:06 AM
So what do you guys think is going to happen? I asked on tradingview 6 hours ago and everybody was absolutely convinced that we were going to 75-88.

bullish now?

for the first time ever i try to speculate rather than to just cost-average buying bitcoin. my buy order is at 83.something but it's no quantity you would easily find Smiley
So according to Murphy's law, we will never fall below 83 again or if we do, go to 0.
623  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bitfetch - Anonymous Remote Torrent Downloading on: July 12, 2013, 11:35:52 PM
Nah, I'm not affiliated with the site at all; just a happy customer. Where did he say that he sold it?
In a pm. I wasn't sure if he said it in the thread, so now I'm a bit confused why he makes it a secret here and tells me he sold there.
624  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bitfetch - Anonymous Remote Torrent Downloading on: July 12, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
Uhm … wtf?? I had some whatnot GB left in my account and now I went there and it says "BALANCE0.0 KB"? I wanted to check for you but apparently I deleted a cookie. I should have the link somewhere though. Maybe optional login wouldn't be a bad idea. Cookies are something people tend to delete from time to time.
Bookmark the link with your token. Easy. Smiley

I thought I did that but right now I don't find it. I will. Eventually. If not, it's not the end of the world neither.

Krak are you the new owner of bitfetch? Scrat Acorns said he sold bitfetch and I kind of like to know who I'm dealing with when I trust them with my money. As the sums at stake are low or at least can be kept low, I don't necessarily need to know who the owner is but still I prefer to know who I'm dealing with.
625  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bitfetch - Anonymous Remote Torrent Downloading on: July 12, 2013, 07:38:40 PM
friend just got €950 fine for bittorrenting some shit.

time to introduce him to bitfetch.

problem is: site doesn't seem to work: says "0% fetching magnet metadata" on different magnet urls.

EDIT: it might've been 2 bad magnets


Uhm … wtf?? I had some whatnot GB left in my account and now I went there and it says "BALANCE0.0 KB"? I wanted to check for you but apparently I deleted a cookie. I should have the link somewhere though. Maybe optional login wouldn't be a bad idea. Cookies are something people tend to delete from time to time.
626  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 12, 2013, 05:41:23 PM
Guys, I need to lace my shoes, could someone hold this for me...



 Grin

looool


i dont get it

well, if you help him, you'll be left holding the...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApEKuXW_3z4

I'm laughing hard now.
oh, lol...
627  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 12, 2013, 05:06:03 AM
Even with MtGox having lost half its share which they didn't, this does not look bullish yet. We are not back at $100.
628  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: If you used Brainwallet.org - MUST READ! - Security Breach! on: July 11, 2013, 03:12:40 AM
I decided to mess around and make a brain wallet.  I used the website www.brainwallet.org.  Supposively, this javascript is client side only.  Anyway, I made a brain wallet and decided to test it.  I moved my spare change (I keep most of my BTC in cold storage) about 0.178 BTC to the new brain wallet I made "15WjmFwpZ1mp3fG55JGoGv3p5y9jtehEB2".  Literally within seconds, it was moved to a new bitcoin address not owned by me "1Lp3S4PajwhuFCyrAXSFdVGxLuqTsXtVQC" https://blockchain.info/address/15WjmFwpZ1mp3fG55JGoGv3p5y9jtehEB2


Mechs, the coins in question have been returned directly to the address in your sig:

https://blockchain.info/tx/8a91cca81bcb8ce4b9483e7d933b84b9363cd1dc0c40d37521f796403047e606

The brainwallet.org author is not the culprit, my bot is.  Since you don't come off as one of the people running a competing bot (and trust me there are lots), I'm fairly confident these coins are indeed yours and am happy to return them.

PSA: Picking a bad brainwallet password is like throwing your money on the sidewalk ... except instead of just the people around you scrambling to pick it up, the entire internet can and most of the internet has no interest in giving your money back.  Worse yet, it's actually impossible for someone wanting to give them back to do so with 100% confidence they are giving them to their rightful owner. 

I agree with the sentiment expressed in the thread that if it's memorable, it's eventually gonna find its way into someone's rainbow table and I leave all you brain wallet users with this to ponder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6iW-8xPw3k

Oh, I'm impressed by this turn of events Smiley

So you defend the stupid so they can continue using weak passwords on brainwallets? Why not take a 50% recovery fee? The money moved again? Is the account in his sig the the brainwallet(WTF!) ?
629  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Micro-payment channels implementation now in bitcoinj on: July 11, 2013, 01:20:15 AM
As it's a fair deal, you sign it and send it to the merchant.
Now the merchant is compensated and grants you the 10ct. service.

Now you feel betrayed by the merchant and publish the very first full reimbursement but the merchant has time until the timeout of A expires to publish any lower reimbursement that you signed and that overrules all prior Bs.

 Because bitcoin is a non refundable transaction there is still a question of trust. If there is no escrow between you and the merchant then which transaction takes place first. In your case the merchant is paid before he grants you the 10c service. Or should he grant you the service before he is paid the 10c?
 It probably won't be an issue in reality because the transactions are small and somebody will be willing to take the first step.

Exactly. For the 10ct. you need trust and always will need trust for things you can't pack into the blockchain.

Imagine you buy some digital good. The merchant could send you the encrypted version and forge a transaction that would only be valid if it contained the key for your copy of the digital good. You sign the transaction, granting the merchant the price. Now the merchant could either sign it, too, granting you access to the blob of data he claimed was the digital good, or not sign. At least in this scenario you are damn close to having proof that the merchant did not deliver. I doubt that it's theoretically possible to get much closer to trust-free than that.

(Well, colored bitcoins would be an example though. If there is a legally binding contract that states that this car belongs to whoever controls this satoshi, you could pass ownership of this satoshi and a payment for it in one transaction both parties sign and publish. Maybe this is still a bit esoteric.)

It's all about levels of trust. The micro payment system reduces this. It doesn't matter about legally binding contracts because people will still rip you off. Credit card companies calculate how much they will be taken from them each year by people they have entered in to legally binding contracts with and calculate their interest rates so that they still profit. Put your money in a bank account or a government bond or coloured coin guarantor that you trust and you can still lose.
 No system is perfect but reducing the level of trust required is very efficient because with trust there is also reputation and even on the Internet this can count for something, even if it's just the hassle of opening a new account with a new e-mail. So if you reduce the level of trust sufficiently it can be counter acted by the loss of reputation.
 I like the idea of micro escrow where the escrow agent only holds a small amount from each exchange participant and the exchanges happen in increments. This can be automated and the level of trust is reduced between everybody.

??

Micro-payment channels only require trust up to the value of one micro transaction that can be one Satoshi. As a micro transaction still has transactional costs of the value to calculate and send it (0.0005ct. maybe) + the two transactions back and forth you need per timout, sending 1Satoshi might still be prohibitively expensive, so as long as paying 1% transaction fees is ok, this method reduces the amount that is ok to be sent from currently $1 to $0.005 aka it is 200 times more efficient for micro transactions.

The legally binding contract thing was colored bitcoins and was in "( )" as it is just a comment where I thought up a case where there would be not only no third party risk but no risk at all, regarding the transfer of property.
630  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 10, 2013, 11:51:19 PM
If people are interested in Bitcoin, new money will flock in. How interested are they? Well, new people aint: http://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=bitcoin#q=bitcoin&date=today%203-m&cmpt=q

When did the price touch bottom in 2011? October.

When did the attention touch bottom in 2011? December.
https://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=bitcoin#q=bitcoin&date=1%2F2011%2013m&cmpt=q

My quote is out of context. I said I am bullish short term for the first time since the last bubble popped. I only doubt that this current increase is driven by outside people. Many of my indicators turned bullish these days. For the first time since 3 months I'm getting buy requests on localbitcoins.
631  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Micro-payment channels implementation now in bitcoinj on: July 10, 2013, 10:45:04 PM
As it's a fair deal, you sign it and send it to the merchant.
Now the merchant is compensated and grants you the 10ct. service.

Now you feel betrayed by the merchant and publish the very first full reimbursement but the merchant has time until the timeout of A expires to publish any lower reimbursement that you signed and that overrules all prior Bs.

 Because bitcoin is a non refundable transaction there is still a question of trust. If there is no escrow between you and the merchant then which transaction takes place first. In your case the merchant is paid before he grants you the 10c service. Or should he grant you the service before he is paid the 10c?
 It probably won't be an issue in reality because the transactions are small and somebody will be willing to take the first step.

Exactly. For the 10ct. you need trust and always will need trust for things you can't pack into the blockchain.

Imagine you buy some digital good. The merchant could send you the encrypted version and forge a transaction that would only be valid if it contained the key for your copy of the digital good. You sign the transaction, granting the merchant the price. Now the merchant could either sign it, too, granting you access to the blob of data he claimed was the digital good, or not sign. At least in this scenario you are damn close to having proof that the merchant did not deliver. I doubt that it's theoretically possible to get much closer to trust-free than that.

(Well, colored bitcoins would be an example though. If there is a legally binding contract that states that this car belongs to whoever controls this satoshi, you could pass ownership of this satoshi and a payment for it in one transaction both parties sign and publish. Maybe this is still a bit esoteric.)
632  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 10, 2013, 10:29:52 PM
Nice jump Smiley

Just panic buying or any news involved?

You don't need news. If all are just waiting for the bottom and then start panic buying, a price move $66 – $86 is news.
Another interesting indicator for me is how people post here on the forum. When I saw 20 of the threads I posted in being active yesterday I felt something was in the bush and decided that's bullish. If people are interested in Bitcoin, new money will flock in. How interested are they? Well, new people aint: http://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=bitcoin#q=bitcoin&date=today%203-m&cmpt=q
633  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Micro-payment channels implementation now in bitcoinj on: July 10, 2013, 09:46:15 PM
If the protocol breaks (is interrupted) after the server has signed and returned the refund transaction (T2) to the client, the server has to blacklist its input (the hash of T1) indefinitely, or am I overlooking something? Otherwise the client can replay T1 at a later time, after the locktime of T2 has passed, and refund to himself before the protocol is terminated. At least the server has to keep track of the timelock used in T2. What does the implementation do?

I don't understand you well but maybe this helps:
You secretly ask the merchant for a refund of a not yet published payment A.
The merchant secretly sends you a contract B1 "If you publish A (aka send me $100) I send you B which can be used to send $100 to you."
Now with this contract in hands you publish A.

Now you feel like you need some service from the merchant. You ask him and he offers you something for 10ct, but asks you to sign B2 "I $99.90 to you. This overrules B1"
As it's a fair deal, you sign it and send it to the merchant.
Now the merchant is compensated and grants you the 10ct. service.

Now you feel betrayed by the merchant and publish the very first full reimbursement but the merchant has time until the timeout of A expires to publish any lower reimbursement that you signed and that overrules all prior Bs.

The highest B at the end of timeout wins and becomes a blockchain transaction. This might happen before the timeout if B∞ gets published with all signatures early.
634  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: July 09, 2013, 06:22:45 PM
It may be prudent to have this issue resolved before Bitcoin 100 moves forward with any action. I'm sure it'll be addressed to all concerns' satisfaction. I will PM Nonprofit, linking them to this post.
As I said, it's not their fault, so they deserve the $1000 but maybe they don't deserve the publicity from B100 until the donation progress is usable. Wonder what Coinbase has to say about that issue.
635  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: If you used Brainwallet.org - MUST READ! - Security Breach! on: July 09, 2013, 07:59:19 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if some federal agents are creating distrust and hate in brainwallet.
If you use correctly it is the most secure form of wallet.
You can never loose it and nobody can confiscate from you.
However this is not a foolproof wallet.
You need to put a private part and a secret part in the passphrase. Then you need to import the generated private keys in a usual wallet to use it more comfortable.
I created for testing the security an easy memorable brainwallet with a passphrase containing my mother name and the 4 digit pin of my debit card and nobody has stolen it until now. If the secret part of the passphrase is even 3 characters longer and contains random characters then you are safe for the next 20 years.
?? I don't understand you.
I think if you have an algorithm for brainwallet, that takes for example 5 minutes to mung your password into a key pair, your mothers name and a 4 digit number might be enough as creating the rainbow table would take millennia for even this small password space. Or maybe your mother has a very complicated name and there is no public record of it that somebody might ever take as input for a rainbow table? In any other case I would expect your bitcoins to disappear rather soon.

Sad thing is that brainwallet mining is more profitable for some than securing-the-network-mining but it's certainly only beginning. At some point huge amount of computing power will get directed to collect the coins that are said to be lost here in the forum. When we migrate to safer keys, not all coins will migrate and people will hunt for those nobody migrated.
636  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 09, 2013, 06:06:30 AM
This
Quote
Kipochi as Bitcoin <-> M-PESA exchange in Kenya
is actually the best positive news for Bitcoin I've heard in a long time and something that could actually make Bitcoin the currency it dreams of being.  I think the potential of this, is being greatly underestimated by some.  M-PESA is already doing something like 30% of GDP.  The addition of Bitcoin could push this as high as 50% or more, as people move away from sources required for things like Western Union.  All speculation but if this catches, it could spread like wildfire to other countries. This is actually news worthy and worth keeping a close eye on.
I would agree if kipochi wouldn't look soooo cheap. They have more typos than sentences on their barely professional page and no updates in a while, so I want them to proof themselves first. Their mpesa partner is not affiliated to mpesa aka some guy who's using his private mpesa account to manually funnel transactions?
I call this vaporware and would take bets that they don't process 1000 transactions within the next 3 months or prior to having serious issues. Total noobs trying to do finance at best. Maybe just some pump and dump.
637  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: July 09, 2013, 04:10:06 AM
Huzzah! In reference to my earlier posts about ASI Conserva Chile, our bitcoin donation button is up and running on our website. You can view it in the upper-right corner of any of our "Who are we" (Quienes Somos) web pages: http://www.asiconservachile.org/ I'm talking to the webmaster to ensure that the button is available for viewing from all of our pages. Just a small fix.

Given that ASI Conserva Chile is not a U.S.-based non-profit, we just went with what I personally use, Coinbase. However, if you highly recommend Bitpay, I'll make the switch.

Please let me know your thoughts!

And thank you! We really appreciate your consideration.

Looks to me like Bitcoin 100 got themselves another NPO to add to their list. I'm sure there shouldn't be a problem once Rassah and edd do a quick review.

If anybody has any extra bitcents lying around, feel free to sent some their way. Take a look at their website and see where they placed the Bitcoin donation button. I think you'll like its placement.

~Bruno K~

The placement of the button is nice but WTF??? I wanted to send $2 their way and the thing askes me to send exactly one bitcoin??? For an anonymous donation that's a bit steep. The wording "send exaclty" sounds like if I send less, Coinbase will just hide it from them and "try to settle this with me" and if I send more, they will just keep that and try to settle with me again?? Donations should not have a minimum or otherwise exact amount.

This criticism is for Coinbase, not for ASI Conserva Chile though. I'm glad to see some bitcoins flow to Chile and sad that actually they don't flow to Chile thanx to coinbase Sad
ASI Conserva is there no techy among your organisation that promises to buy those coins and sell or not sell them on the Chilean market? I'm in Viña and would offer to help out and I know in Santiago trading Bitcoins is not really much of a problem.

Edit: Coinbase stinks. Either they just got 10 bug reports or zero. The input allows me to enter 0.05, the radio buttons once selected don't allow me to unselect either 5 or 10 but the payment request is 1BTC regardless of what i click above. Sorry but Coinbase seams to be busy counting millions rather than to implement some decent interface.
638  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: new feature - bitcoin v.9 on: July 08, 2013, 06:59:24 AM
guys, you are off topic.

on topic: I'm surprised by the features. It is progress and the dev team certainly has a reason to go this way but to me it feels rushed after a rushed 0.8.2 that also got many people by surprise. I don't see why a CA should be used in Bitcoin. Is this a protocol extension? The return-address certainly is an extension but I don't see why this linking of transactions should be in the block-chain. A service could have an api to receive signed messages with return addresses for certain transactions (if you receive a transaction with id X, please send return to Y. Please confirm this signing with the key of address 1dice...). Will these payment requests be public? Will transactions reference these requests? Where can I read more details? Why not sign with keys? Where can I read what plans the devs have to integrate next?

Are these changes pull requests now? Are they well tested on the testnet?

All in all I would just want more and kind of earlier info. Everybody knows about pruning but this gets delayed over and over it seams while some surprise-features pop up with next releases.
639  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 08, 2013, 04:22:01 AM
640  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: BitcoinSpinner on: July 08, 2013, 12:46:31 AM
I guess mycelium wallet is a commercial project?
Yes. However, the wallet is free and the sources available. We are also working on the Mycelium Payment System, which allows physical shops to:
 - Sell products/services for BTC
 - Sell BTC back to customers
 - Buy BTC from customers
All in all things that let your local Bitcoin economy flourish.
The Mycelium Payment System was demoed at the San Jose conference but is not fully developed yet.
We develop the wallet because we believe that better mobile wallets are needed, and we are going to integrate the wallet with our payment system (locate shops, view invoices in transaction history, etc), while letting it be the greatest mobile Bitcoin wallet on the planet.

The Mycelium Bitcoin Wallet and Mycelium Payment System are not ready for primetime yet, but we are constantly getting closer.
If you are looking for candidates for Commercial Product of the Month I think it would be better if we get nominated in one or two months.
Thanks for the info. Good idea to make every shop an exchange.

Isn't it funny to see every day how a security company comes to the supermarkets to pick up the collected cash from the supermarket, guarded with guns and armored vehicles that don't stop the engine outside, while an hour later another security company comes by doing the same security circus to fill the ATMs? Replace fiat with bitcoin and they all loose their jobs.
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