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1501  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-08-28 huffingtonpost.com - Chomping At The Bitcoin - The Ups And Downs Of C on: August 29, 2012, 04:43:18 PM
Oh Janet....

Why so disgusting and sexist? I don't have a clear picture of your overall post quality but this post alone is worth an ignore.
1502  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-08-28 huffingtonpost.com - Chomping At The Bitcoin - The Ups And Downs Of C on: August 29, 2012, 04:27:13 AM
It's really hard to get scientific data on the Wörgl experiment.

Quote from: wikipedia
the "experiment" was terminated by the Austrian National Bank on the 1st September 1933[4][5]

that's scientific (observational) data enough for me.

and our Chiemgauer you can observe all the time.  Cheesy

Another quote from the German Wikipedia: "Nach Androhung von Armeeeinsatz beendete Wörgl das Experiment im September 1933."
(After threatening to use the military, Wörgl terminated the Experiment in September 1933.)

With scientific data I did not mean clear signs of the experiment having been a success by the banks sending the cavalry. Rather a repeated experiment with today's scientific standards.
1503  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-08-28 huffingtonpost.com - Chomping At The Bitcoin - The Ups And Downs Of C on: August 28, 2012, 10:53:27 PM
yeah, I'd like to have seen demurrage discussed more deeply (not because I think it's a good idea, but because I think it can't work), but maybe these forums are a better place than a mainstream tv format with a (deliberately) dumb blonde.

I'm still intrigued by the idea of demurrage and would love to see a big experiment on it but it would not work with a store of money

there has been a "big" experiment in some village in austria or switzerland, I don't recall... (someone chip in!). I think it only works at gunpoint and more valuable (storable) currencies will eventually take over.

I'm not sure about the ethical implications.

If you are referring to the "original" experiment conducted in Wörgl, this I am aware of. I would like to see an experiment of this scale being repeated and well documented. It's really hard to get scientific data on the Wörgl experiment.
1504  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin is... on: August 28, 2012, 09:19:41 PM
This thread inspired to ask on my timeline this question.
I really would love to know if my facebook friends (which are most business contacts as I didn't use fb until a year ago) are annoyed of the repeated bitcoin news or if they have any opinion. Most of them don't react at all.

Feel free to vote and add options.
1505  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin is... on: August 28, 2012, 07:38:15 PM
/sub

(grrr… I want to know why google suggests this)
1506  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-08-28 huffingtonpost.com - Chomping At The Bitcoin - The Ups And Downs Of C on: August 28, 2012, 07:37:14 PM
yeah, I'd like to have seen demurrage discussed more deeply (not because I think it's a good idea, but because I think it can't work), but maybe these forums are a better place than a mainstream tv format with a (deliberately) dumb blonde.

I'm still intrigued by the idea of demurrage and would love to see a big experiment on it but it would not work with a store of money and only with a governmental money that can be printed at will. Anyway, there is discussion about this here in the forum already and I turned sort of into a skeptic of combining demurrage with a bitcoin-based currency. Most likely it is impossible. (20% new money every year would have that effect but with anonymous users and a proof of work that would mean 20% of the world economy would go into mining. With "proof of identity mining" it could work with a massive incentive to trick the system and also I want bitcoin for it being cash online.)

I don't like/understand your comment on the "dumb blond". She is not into bitcoin for 2 years posting hundreds of questions. Also she asked the questions from a standpoint prior to her own research and did not at all make the impression of a deliberately dumb person.

I really do think fundamentally understanding how bitcoin works is necessary to be able to trust it.
I studied maths and consider myself predestined for understanding bitcoin. Still barely a day goes by that I don't feel like having more insight today than yesterday. I see it as our job to answer all questions of interested people in a profound and easy way so that they can answer questions with confidence knowing whom to point to for more detailed questions so that the 3rd line can know people that know people that really know bitcoin and trust it. You will never get 7 billion people to understand bitcoin. Most likely not even 7 million.
It would actually be a dramatic waste of time to force feed the bitcoin white paper to everybody in the world yet that would be only the bare minimum to understanding bitcoin.
I hope for a world where people know that they can still use bitcoin tomorrow because experts checked it just like people know they are able to fly cause experts built planes (or wing suits Smiley ) for them.
1507  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The bitcoin wiki needs help on: August 28, 2012, 05:43:05 AM
With this post I would like to both advertise to use it and ask how people get more rights there aka. who's in charge?

 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36316.0

Thank you for the link. To me it seams this effort to recruit admins failed last year but not due to the lack of willing and trust-worthy people. I bumped the other thread and am curious of the outcome.

Also this thread is hereby closed as a duplicate.
1508  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bitcoin Wiki: Looking for administrators (step 1/2) on: August 28, 2012, 05:08:43 AM
I am willing to administer the wiki on an ad-hoc basis, similar to how I do now.  In other words, I am unlikely to schedule time to do things on it, but will fix things on sight as I already do.  A brief review of my edit history will show that I regularly blank spam pages... if I had admin privileges, I'd be deleting them instead.

If that qualifies me to be an admin, the privilege would certainly not be abused.  I suppose there are numerous other activities that go into running a wiki such as contributing and maintaining articles, but these don't require being an admin and are things I would continue to do at the same pace as always.

These could be my words.

Ok so I still see dire need for work in the wiki as expressed in my new thread on the subject and see only 4 (the old) admins. Did this thread here not result in new admins?

If you want me on board, I would be honored and try my best to use the power sensitively. "Sensitively" would most likely mean that I would not take away LukeJr's toy (although I would secretly applaud if anybody else did) and I would not delete articles in a rush but initialize deletion-discussions if there is any doubt about deleting something.

Please see my edits for reference.
1509  Economy / Services / Re: Introducing the Bitcoin 100: A Kickstarter for Charities on: August 28, 2012, 04:25:54 AM
If not, we do have a list of whom most of the money came from, and thus can give it back.

Oh come on! 1000 posts written and read 400 times for in the end returning it? How about watsi.org? Nobody commented on that one. The guys are interested in bitcoin already and it's a good project I guess. Very transparent and really non (aka zero) profit for those involved unless they get donations for them personally.
1510  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The bitcoin wiki needs help on: August 27, 2012, 08:28:41 PM
Great initiative. The Wiki contains many well-written articles, we ought to help them not get drowned in the noise. Rather than just starting to work on random items, I'm volunteering to help with things identified as most urgent by those who are more involved with the Wiki. PM me.

Well, I appreciate your offer but in the wiki there is no guidance right now. Look into the special pages if you feel like cleaning up stuff.
Most of these lists help find sites that may be deleted.
Orphaned pages might not have been visited in ages. Either link them from where it makes sense or suggest deletion.
Pages with just one contributor that were not edited in a year and not visited in months might be candidates for deletion.
Popular pages might be worth putting some love in the design and content. Make them look pleasing. Add references. Add more facts. Add an image or two. Remove "noise".

In general, put pages on your watch list and care about changes. Vandalism happens (like referral link spam or people trying to change bitcoin addresses to their own addresses) and with a vigilante community, these survive only some seconds or minutes.
Read the discussion pages if you feel like something is not ok with a page. You will find other people's suggestions that you might want to comment on or add suggest your changes.
Be bold. If you think it's a good idea to split/rewrite/illustrate/restructure/… an article, do it. Reverting this is much less work than doing it in the first place and as long as you don't start an edit war, nobody will argue with you doing things wrong.
1511  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / The bitcoin wiki needs help on: August 27, 2012, 07:46:04 PM
The Bitcoin Wiki is a great place to put information of lasting value with a much higher information density than forum threads with hundreds of pages but it only works if enough people contribute in a constructive way.

With this post I would like to both advertise to use it and ask how people get more rights there aka. who's in charge?

The deletion requests has over 200 items accumulated which of 95% can be acted upon immediately and the others need a determined voting to get to a conclusion. Delaying this is bad.

Less appreciated articles lurk around since years without getting either support that would justify their survival or – in my opionion – the deletion that's long over-due.

There is tons to do and with more hands helping, the wiki could really be even more awesome than it already is Wink
1512  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How did Satoshi register bitcoin.org? on: August 27, 2012, 05:11:20 AM
updated the history. Theymos maybe you want to post a more appropriate source.
1513  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Japanese getting into Bitcoin? on: August 26, 2012, 03:30:58 PM
I am also sure that because of the efforts I am involved with in Japan, the Japanese have bought more than 25,000,000 JPY (~$317,000 USD) worth of bitcoins in the last few weeks and that it is just the beginning.

Doing a quick sum up of the excess turnover in the last 3 weeks, I also see 25 million JPY traded extra. I do not know which fraction of them was traded more than once but I would say 25M is not a save number to take credit for based on these charts. Yet there are other ways of buying bitcoins so I would just trust you with this.
1514  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bitmit - Bitcoin shopping mall (Translators wanted) on: August 26, 2012, 03:05:04 PM
I'm trying to contribute to the Swedish translation, but have a problem. On the translation page, I see the following text: "[Show outdated] - [Show all] - [Search]"
Show outdated is in bold. How am I supposed to interpret that? I don't want to spend time on translating outdated texts that are no longer in use. I only want to show the "in use" texts that are of actual value to the site. Is this some kind of error, or am I just misinterpreting it?

I know some translation tools and they remove unused texts and assume that texts that changed in the primary language should be re-translated in other languages, too and this might be called "outdated" and get a high priority.
1515  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Japanese getting into Bitcoin? on: August 26, 2012, 03:03:03 PM
Maybe it's just because this video conference?  Shocked
twitter ‏@rogerkver
I just presented Bitcoin to over 150 business people in Japan via skype for over an hour.


If that's the reason then it really shows how powerful these simple meetups and proselytizing can be.
The same thing happened in China a few weeks ago and it seems to have made a big difference.
50% (arbitrary guess) of people who hear about bitcoin will understand the potential straight away.

I wanted to point to this post discussing Roger Ver; he has now claimed on Twitter that he is the direct source of the recent volume in mtgoxJPY and that the Japanese have over the past months bought 250K USD in Bitcoins (how he gets to that number is unclear).
http://bitinvest.wordpress.com/2012/08/25/roger-ver-japenese-bought-250k-usd-in-bitcoin/

I don't have time to measure and I have no idea how he can be sure the increase is only due to his advertisement but if you take MtGox-USD as an approximation of the global trend and compare it to the respective MtGox-JPY you could come to the conclusion that something happened recently in Japan looking at the volume bars. The USD median at 2 million spiking at four times that value last week. The JPY median at 0.5k spiking at 12, 28 and 16 times that value last 3 weeks.



1516  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Paying a dentist using Bitcoins on: August 26, 2012, 05:13:46 AM
+18C and some clouds. I'd say not bad at all!

Yeah, but that's what they call summer Smiley

I added the dentist to the wiki btw. Not sure the Trade page is well organized though. I'd suggest to make a page for each business and put the businesses into all relevant categories. This way the Category:Trade would contain them all, while the Category:Health would contain the Dentist …
1517  Other / Archival / Re: bitcoincharts down on: August 25, 2012, 09:27:50 PM
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1518  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gigantic physical bitcoin on: August 25, 2012, 04:47:34 AM
I think it would require having $1M first.

Even when you have $1M it will be hard to buy bitcoins worth $1M as you would move the market and not know if it would settle much lower shortly later so your "coin" would not actually be worth $1M or if you ignite the next rally leaving you to ask if it was worth getting $1M in the first place. (Well, it would Smiley )

Think bigger. Tongue

I say, think smaller! What if the $1M coin is about the size of a penny? The fact that $3M worth of gold can barely be transported by less than 3 guys with a custom trolley and 15 bodyguards can much better be put in contrast with a dime-sized coin worth the same than with a gold-coated bunch of iron/whatever.

(Disclaimer: I distrust physical bitcoins as much as hosted wallets.)
1519  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain.info - Bitcoin Block explorer & Currency Statistics on: August 25, 2012, 04:25:17 AM
I've noticed that when sending BTC via SMS,  if the BTC are not claimed within a certain amount of time,  they disappear.

Here is an example from my own account.
As a test, I sent 1 BTC to my own cell phone number and intentionally never claimed the BTC.
Now when I check my wallet history or click the link from the SMS,  it says that the funds are gone.



This is the first time I confirmed it %100 for sure,  but I am 99.9% sure this has happened with lots of other Bitcoins I have sent to people who didn't know how to claim them.
Can you let us know what is happening to these Bitcoins?

How's the new server?

HANG HIM HIGH!!!

Ok, wait for what he has to say first Wink

I sent 1BTC at a time to many many people via instawallet but I bookmark all these urls and tell them that to claim the bitcoin they have to move it out of my control as else I will take it back after a month assuming they are not interested. Actually I took back almost all of them and would be very pissed to see instawallet doing that instead of me. Luckily this does not mean that almost all of them did not get interested. Many had a lot of questions and stayed in touch over 10 mails but they never took the coin that I offered them to try it out.

Instawallets statement about keeping the coins available is also very interesting. They told me here on the forum that there is no timeout and all wallets will be kept available indefinitely and if they ever end operations, they will send all the bitcoins into brain wallets based on the respective url. Clever clever Smiley
1520  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] LocalBitcoins.com - a location-based bitcoin to cash marketplace on: August 24, 2012, 06:43:18 PM
Now you can specify your location from a map. This should be very useful in countries where the zip code/address system is a little broken. It also helps sellers who have specific spot where they are exchanging.

countries where the zip code/address system is a little broken Smiley Nice you consider it broken when it does not work the same like where you live but I was also surprised to find out that Chile has no zip codes.
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