The "advantage" is that BTC has a better chance of rising to 100%-1000% return than that car does.

Muscle-cars are like pez-dispensers now... 1-10 sell a year, for crazy prices when a mad-man with lots of money feels nostalgic. (Jay Lenno)

Just as 1 BTC was sold for $1240, but the last 5,000,000 BTC were sold for under $600 across all exchanges. I am sure you MAY find someone who really wants that car bad... but you don't have to convince them that it is a good value, when it is clearly not any value. You are selling a novelty, for high-novelty price.

Hold it for a few more years, until dollars drop in value by 50% again, and you will get double your asking price, but the same actual value, if you can even find someone at that point who even knows what a muscle-car is. Otherwise, sell it for what seems like a loss at the time, for BTC, and see what that brings in one years time. I am willing to bet it will be more in dollars, than your 2x asking price would have been, 5 years later.

And this is where the appeal of BTC comes into play.

When the BTC price is low, no-one wants to part with them, when they are high, no-one wants to take them as payment. They are on the low now... If you have faith, take the loss yourself, as others have, and add that value to the network. If you are not willing to do that, then there is no point. If you want FIAT, sell for FIAT.

Nice... How is the new daughter by the way?

One thing to remember, with high-speed internet... Usually it is only high-speed "downloading". Uploads are usually slow as hell.

Things to consider, with video, is the actual codex used to encode the movie. Google/Youtube will eat that up, and process it the way it wants, to deliver the multi-stream ability. The only good way to get it to go fast, is use the smallest video resolution that google/youtube has for display. (144p - 360p) Below 360p, is fast, but 360p is the native display that google/youtube defaults to. Thus, recording off-sizes or higher resolutions, will take a lot longer to upload, as it processes all streams (with assistance from your computer), and uploads all streams at once (using your upload ability).

Google/Youtube Tips:
- Use Mono-sound at smaller sample-rates. (mp3-stream or wma-stream google/youtube translates them all. Those save some bandwidth. Stereo and 5.1 SS is just a waste on google/youtube.)
- Remove sound, if there is nothing to hear. (Use google/youtube's insert music stream and notations instead.)
- Force standard video resolutions native to google/youtube. (Custom sizes get converted poorly by google/youtube. Plus, it adds one more stream called, "original" to the list of resolutions, which takes even longer to process.)
- Don't use xvid or AVI or MPG. (Google/youtube can read those, but those are horrible to convert to something the flash-player can actually display on all computers. Yes, google/youtube-player is still a flash-player.)

If you check your internet with speedtest.net, it will show you how deathly sad the upload rates are. (Unless you pay for high upload speeds, you will be lucky if it even does burst-mode uploading. Just like downloads are usually burst-mode speeds at the max you pay for, while constant downloading is usually throttled-down a few notches. Ours, actually bursts 10x faster than what we pay for, and throttles just below what we pay for. Each service is different. Not to mention, while uploading, mining in pools can slow things down a little. That is a constant stream of puked packets between your other uploads.)

Back home from work...

Come on... someone haggle with me...

I have managed to convince three people to buy one... from someone-else... (I am a terrible salesman. Or am I )

Seriously though, I do want some more BTC. (I am not desperate, just poor.)

Well, Solowheel is...
- Front-wheel drive
- Rear-wheel drive
- All-wheel drive
- On-road
- Off-road
- Hands-free driving (Unless you count flailing them around, as driving)
- Air-conditioned
- All weather
- All season (Not the same as all weather. I swear!)
- Gas free
- Emissions free
- Cool
- Fun
- Portable
- Alien technology (Legal aliens, from another country.)

I think that covers it...

LOL... Speaking of segway... (This is why segway is crap, and has horrible sales... Bad design. Knuckle-crushers and flip-floppers.)

Best segway crash compilation...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7pVFCK3g8o

Mot many Solowheel crashes... None as horrific as ones when you fail on a segway! (Rather when the poorly designed segway fails on you!)

It is like a segway... it balances front to back, you just lean forward to go forward, and back to reverse or stop. Side to side it is like a bike... once moving it just stays upright with little effort. (Same on turns)

I can find the video of a 65/67-year old man riding it all around tight places, while holding a boom-camera, and even riding backwards... (Where the video ends as he hits the curb, riding backwards, busting his ass. That is the only time you see the guy riding it. xD)

Found it --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMjdPJFTqTc

If you can ride a bike, or roller-skates or ice-skates, or a unicycle... You can ride this easy. Takes about a day to get over fear... then a week later you will have mastered it. (Just like when you learned to ride a bike.) Only when you fall off this, you don't get hurt... You just run or step forward. No handle-bars to flip over.

I ride mine while smoking a cigarette and drinking my morning coffee, on the way to work. (I only work about half a mile from my house. Right outside my neighborhood.)

Nice...

That could come in handy. Still accepting random tries to win?

Yea, I think that is only there for those who have not yet "used the code"...

Might be able to swindle one off someone... but be real cautious about it potentially not working.

How do you think they are paying everyone's income-tax returns this year... But they stalled some by 21 days, to adjust for gox's withdraw period...

Then they seize those BTC because that "looks suspicious" and Gox didn't report it, then they have next-years income-tax returns already to go too!

Gox allows internal transfers to other gox accounts... I can also make a direct transfer button for the price, using gox's "merchant" tools.

But not until a price is agreed on, and some kind of "proof", that the person is "giving me the funds, as payment for the above item/s". (For obvious reasons.)

Items sold.

OCD kicking in...

fryarminer   #888   12.05.2013
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Those two need to be swapped around... It's messing up my ability to count to 1000!
(Humor, because of the missing numbers between orders... )

Mutual fund... Trust... (then contradicts trust by forcing 450 page agreements with all sorts of fine print)... lol...

So much for trust... If you "trusted", you would not need agreements for protection... That is, Ironically, why you force agreements and protections, because there is no trust.

There is no such thing as a "safe investment"... Just as there is no such thing as a "safe car"... There is some that are "potentially safer", but all are a risk. (Cars and investments.)

If we do what the banks do, we get called thieves and scammers.

If we do what the Govt does, we get called thieves and scammers.

If we do only what is "right and good" (perception), we lose, because of banks and Govt and unregistered thieves.

If you want double, you will get it when it is half as valuable. Unless you sacrifice something. (Sheep, Virgins, Labor, Time, Resources, Human-Rights, etc...)

Otherwise, it is theft. Because no-one will ever voluntarily give you twice as much, unless you (or someone-else) has lied, and convinced them that the thing they hold is only worth half as much.

Welcome to life!

Maybe no-one is near you...

Plan A: Pay someone to rob someone-else that has 6BTC, using your 2BTC to pay the robber... Just hope the robber doesn't run-off with all 8BTC! Surely there must be an honest robber out there... but that is a gamble...

Plan B: Get someone to pay you 2 BTC to rob someone that has 6 BTC, and run off with all 8 BTC.

Best way, in my opinion, is to just buy 2 more. Then you have 4 BTC, and you just pumped up the value of them a little on the charts. The 2 you had, and the 2 you now hold, have the same potential value.

The quantity is almost irrelevant. You are interested in the value. If you are not interested in the value, then just sell your 2BTC, when the price falls, you can get more... but now those 4 will be exactly as valuable as the 2 you had. Thus, you accomplished nothing, unless the price later rises again. Well, you did save yourself from that 2BTC being worth only half as much. So that is "something".

Best way to make a dollar to buy BTC, is to work any minimum-wage job. You will be surprised how much easier it is than trying to think of ways to scam people out of money, and how much more rewarding it is. (Unless you are a good scammer. But those guys always get caught, and if you are asking this question, that is not a profession for you.)

Every time you see BTC fall $10, buy $10 worth... Repeat forever... You will NEVER lose.

Honestly... if you have to "tell people"... then you might be the only one with that thought. (true or not)

Buy what you can. If others believe it, they will buy too. If they don't buy... then you might be wrong...

Though, in additional honesty... All coins are under-valued. The act of telling people is as useless as yelling at the TV to make your football team play better.

The problem isn't that people don't want to buy a valuable coin. The problem is simply that people want quick returns, with high value. Value is mostly determined by loss, with all coins. Fastest way to add value is to take it from others. (Theft, loss, taxes and mining operating-expense is where these coins get the primary value.)

Without loss, a dollar is always equal to a dollar. Nothing more, nothing less. (Only a dollar is never actually worth a dollar, ever, thus it is in perpetual loss. Creating the illusion of increased value. Reality is, you get less and less each passing. Just like a coin...)

And then reality comes to light, as they realize they were not talking about something they actually have any real knowledge of.

You can't apply "stock knowledge", or "money knowledge", or "commodity knowledge", to something that is all three at once. BTC is more like art... Doesn't matter what the majority thinks, someone finds value in it, so it has value. If it has use, as it was intended, then it has a wider audience of those who make it valuable. If it is limited in supply, then demand will add additional value to all those who find a use for it.

This is a whole new breed of valued-exchange-representation, that only WE understand, because it is only US who make, use, and sustain value in it.

Perhaps he simply failed to look at historic value, of anything. Historic value (not historic patterns), plays a major part of value as these limited and decaying volumes pass through each pair of hands. Those losses, as they become greater, force value to be added, to regain losses so they become less of a loss. The illusion is that the value goes up, the reality is that we just can't offer as much, for the same value, after losses are added. The complete opposite of money, which you can not control your loss recovery for. We let governments set our losses, and they always set them in favor of governments and big-businesses and friends.

It is harder to get a millionaire to part with a million dollars, yet it is easy to convince a million men to part with a dollar. That is government.

It is easy to take a million gold bars from one million people. They just show you one gold bar, and say "this is yours", but I will hold it for you and give you these pieces of paper to represent that gold bar of yours... Then they show the next customer the same exact gold bar, and says "this is yours", but I will hold it for you and give you these pieces of paper to represent that gold bar of yours... Repeat one million times... Then spend all but one of those gold bars, so that each customer can come to check if their gold is still there, to ease their comfort. While those gold bars you just sold, now come back, and you give them more paper, and show them the same gold bar, over and over... That is a bank...

Stocks are just loans... bank/gov combined.

Predictions are never right, if only by luck, because speaking it, almost damns it to never happen, or forces it to happen. More often, than not, it never happens. If it did, it wouldn't matter, because BTC being traded at $10 would only be those coins with that value. That does not make all coins that value, just as $1200 was not the value of all coins... just those few.

Still... $6000 is just around the corner...

You have to ask yourself... did he say that to make it happen, or stop it from happening? Is he trying to get us to buy his coins at $6000, or is he trying to trick us into buying his coins at $3000, or is he trying to stall the market and force it lower, so he can get more coins for less at $300...

Stop thinking, and just buy a damn coin already. There are far less coins that will ever be in existence than there are people to use them. We will all be lucky if we can afford 0.00001 BTC in the future. The quantity is irrelevant to the ability to obtain a share of usable representation of any value.

Never settle for less than it is worth, and it will rise faster than anything.

Settle for less, and you assume the loss which impedes its ability to grow in value, but you do make it affordable and available to others of a larger audience.

You want it to grow, sacrifice some value, for the prosperity and expansion. Your future will reward you more, in the end. Otherwise you hit a cold dead wall, where no-one wants to spend a dime on a fraction of a priceless coin.

Remember $6000... Save and hold... Then give half away, cash-in half of what is left, and the remaining portion you continue to hold. Trust me, you won't lose if you don't "cash-out for good". Then it is just game-over... For you... The rest of the world will move right over you.

Oh, if anyone wants to sell me your Gox-BTC (for cash)... I will take it for $10/BTC... but if you want more, I will still take it for the price it is trading now (on Gox). However, you should think about giving me 50% off, for that nice confusing post above! 50% off, or twice as much... you pick... One must sound better than the other.

We have to stop looking at "how many dollars a BTC is", and look at "how much BTC can you get with a dollar".

$0.01/BTC = 100.00000000 BTC
$5/BTC = 0.20000000 BTC
$30/BTC = ~0.03333334 BTC
$250/BTC = 0.00400000 BTC
$1200/BTC = ~0.00083334 BTC
$6000/BTC = ~0.00001667 BTC
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$100000000/BTC = 0.00000001 BTC = $2,100,000,000,000,000 / world-pop (7,143,000,000) = $293,994.12 per person.

Even that last BTC-value sounds realistic... but by the time the coin ends creation, population will be larger, and there will be even fewer coins left. So it could go higher. That many "dollars" in the future, might only get you an apartment, for 3 months... or a cheap used car...

And when they open the gates... Guess where everyone will cash-out... On your "other exchanges", bringing them down to Gox's value... After all, they just got BTC at half-price, and you guys offer 2x the returns. lol.

However, guess where everyone is buying coins at... Depositing money... The exchange with the lowest price... Over the next 3 months, billions in income-tax returns will be arriving in USA tax-payers hands, a lot will be flooding into Gox, from the USA. Not much going to the other exchanges.

Why deposit to any other exchange? They take the same time to wire, but offer only half the BTC per dollar!

Gox goes $300 under your prices, and $150 over your prices... Sounds like a nice chance to make money. Not going to make much going from $650 back up to $900... But you will make a lot going from $300 back up to $1050.

Get money out... lol... why in the world would you do that! (Slight sarcasm there.) The point was to invest and trade. Cashing out into your pockets takes you out of the game completely. Almost defeats the whole purpose of getting involved in the first place. (Almost)

This is how we reduce the alt-coins and thieves from getting our high-value from our BTC. (Sad, because I mine alt-coins too. But I already got my just rewards.) It's a cycle, deal with it.

You are right... sell me all your Gox-BTC... I am buying...

Nice work... Already got mine listed!

Reporting back once it arrives, posting for a place-holder so I don't lose the thread.