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681  Economy / Economics / Re: Counterpoint & ?'s about Bitcoin not being "Backed by something" on: December 18, 2013, 07:03:55 AM
Governments are backed by people, so when a government backs, say, the dollar, then that means people's backing is transposed onto the dollar.  As I posted in the other thread, a backing is an endorsement; bitcoin is backed by the people who say, "Yes, this is money!"  With every person who claims this by owning, trading and acknowledging that bitcoin has value, this backing becomes stronger.

One thing the world's states can't compete with is the fact that they have a limited amount of users to back their product; bitcoin is a global phenomenon, and as such, it can potentially be backed to a far greater extent than any single nation's currency.
682  Economy / Economics / Re: "Backing" - what does this actually MEAN? on: December 18, 2013, 06:56:10 AM
You back a money like you back a leader; neither count without believers, otherwise gold would just be shiny yellowish metal and a leader would be a regular Joe.  In the case of money, a backing is a measure of how many people endorse that object as their choice of money.

When a money is represented by another object, let's say in paper form, then the paper itself isn't money, but currency; the intention for the paper is not to act as money, but to act as a convenient way to trade money, to act as representations of that money, and so that currency is considered "backed" by, say, gold, which is then "backed" by endorsement; all is well at the moment.  To say one day, "Our money is no longer going to be backed by gold" is quite the perversion, then; the backing placed in gold, which the paper represented, was taken away, but the belief in the paper remained; the paper then wrongfully took that backing into itself, and, like all paper currencies do, that belief is steadily slipping away and back to where it rightfully belongs, in money.

So while money is backed by endorsement, paper which fails to represent money is backed by bait-and-switch.
683  Other / Off-topic / Re: Shit things that has happened to you today on: December 18, 2013, 06:11:49 AM
No one got me anything for my birthday. Literally no one. I paid for my own drinks.

Christ I want friends who aren't broker than me.

Can't even do anything tonight cause I have stuff to do tomorrow :/

Sounds like most of my birthdays; I don't really care for them myself, so I don't expect anyone else to.
684  Economy / Economics / Re: Poll: Is Satoshi a scammer, out to enrich himself? on: December 18, 2013, 06:08:24 AM
Bitcoin heavily favors early adopters.
Yes, but that doesn't make it a scam.


This point alone makes it a scam, as Bitcoin cant succeed due to its heavy concentration towards a handful of early adopters. It was a FATAL DESIGN FLAW BUILT IN ON PURPOSE, so that Satoshi could enrich himself via this pyramid.

I'll take you seriously once you list any other way this would've worked without a central authority.
685  Other / Meta / Re: (PETITION) The act of BUYING/SELLING Bitcointalk.org Accounts (Poll) on: December 18, 2013, 06:03:53 AM
Send me all your bitcoins, I'm reliable!  Grin

By the way, since it is impossible to enforce I just picked neutral.

It's not impossible to enforce, but to enforce fully it is, but that doesn't mean we should let it happen or remain neutral. It's impossible to enforce fully the sale of child porn and weapons but I don't think that means we should take a neutral stance on it.

As you can see, the threat that anyone caught selling CP will be punished/ostracized has resulted in CP being sold in secret.  The only way to reveal these secret trades is to put a stop to privacy.  Thoughts?
686  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I want to create an alt-coin called CryptoCoin on: December 17, 2013, 10:13:12 PM
If you gotta ask... Tongue
687  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people believe so firmly in 'the law' on: December 17, 2013, 09:50:38 PM
it's kind of like how crazy right wing nutjobs like to quote the constitution as if it wasn't flawed.

I've never understood this either. Same goes with the bible.

It's caused by overactive Si, which is worsened by Te; see here and here for the most obvious examples.  These are your rule-followers; bible-thumpers and government lapdogs, and their main job, when it comes to social concerns, is to ensure everybody else is following the rules as well.  Nothing you'll ever say will convince them to believe otherwise; they believe what they believe and you should, too.

In comparison, Ni-Fe users are rule-makers; see here and here.  These are, in recent times, very frequently the libertarians and anarchists, who are against the status-quo since it gets in the way of their own rules.  These two groups clash with each other because the former wants the latter to follow the accepted rules, and the latter wants the former to accept the new rules.  Not to mention, they make sense within their groups, but not at all between.
688  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Zeitgeist movement on: December 17, 2013, 08:53:36 PM
I like the political views, I don't like the economic views.
689  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2013-12-15] TheAtlantic - Why Bitcoin will never be a Currency - in 2 Charts on: December 16, 2013, 07:23:52 AM
The top comments on all of these articles are always pro-bitcoin; so long as this remains the norm, I'm happy.

Naysayer's gonna say nay Cool

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So who's the perfect person to run Bitcoin? It'd have to be someone with central banking experience. Someone who understands why deflation is a problem. And someone who thinks virtual currencies hold promise. Someone like ... Ben Bernanke.

And in the end, it was just a troll article Undecided  Someone paid this guy good.
690  Other / Meta / Re: Allow users to change vote in polls on: December 16, 2013, 07:13:11 AM
I think it's up to the poll creator to allow this option.

Yeah, I don't think there is one. I asked a guy to do it and he said that there is no option.

Perhaps it's disallowed after the poll has been created; if you go to the create poll tab, there should be a check box for it.
691  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people believe so firmly in 'the law' on: December 16, 2013, 07:06:22 AM
At least the normal people will refrain from doing that, for the fear of law.

It speaks the world to me that you equate "normal" with "fear".



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Plato has Socrates describe a gathering of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall by things passing in front of a fire behind them, and begin to ascribe names to these shadows. According to Plato's Socrates, the shadows are as close as the prisoners get to viewing reality. He then explains how the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall do not make up reality at all, as he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the mere shadows seen by the prisoners.
692  Other / Meta / Re: Allow users to change vote in polls on: December 16, 2013, 06:44:40 AM
I think it's up to the poll creator to allow this option.
693  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people believe so firmly in 'the law' on: December 15, 2013, 10:33:03 PM
That is an excellent explanation. Normal people like me don't want to live in lawless societies. As far as I am concerned, I'll break the law only when it is absolutely necessary.

It truly bothers me how many people believe a lawless society is even possible, let alone bad; a lawless society means everyone is actually in agreement.  You create rules only when someone will break them; if people actually got along, they would have no need for them.  This is impossible.

To judge how well any given society is doing, all you need to do is see how many laws they have; the more, the worse off they are.
694  Economy / Speculation / Re: It's over. Bitcoin is finished. on: December 15, 2013, 08:52:12 AM
If Bitcoin was finished then why ain't it done?

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695  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are corporations people? on: December 15, 2013, 04:38:50 AM
i always hear this argument.. but no matter what you do, there will always be unskilled/uneducated people. sometimes you are so financially strapped that you don't even have the money or time invest in training for a new skill. the worst thing about it is that even if you did go to a vocational school, there are still less and less jobs available.

here's an example of how hard it is to even get a super low paying job http://www.the-american-interest.com/blog/2013/11/20/dc-residents-clamor-for-walmart-jobs/

more applicants get into harvard than a walmart..

The problem isn't unskilled people, the problem is a shrinking economy; the obvious answer is, "Just go out and make your own job", but this is killed with higher and higher levels of regulation until the only option you have is applying for some other business who can afford the extra fees of operating a business (odds are, this is a corporation; this is not a coincidence.)  All America has to do is unclench its regulatory asshole and we'll be fine, but that doesn't seem to be happening; people are actually asking for more regulation.  When people have more wealth, they have more time with less exhaustion, and when they have more time and more energy, they have the opportunity to become more skilled, and so the economy improves as more work emerges and more wealth is spreading around.
696  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are corporations people? on: December 15, 2013, 04:27:05 AM
Why not employees ask for more, or quit and find a better job? Or move to find a better job if they have to. Or move back in with their parents, and spend time learning new skill so they do not have to work as cashiers? It is strange for us in our country to see people in America struggling to live on their own, making so little money and barely able to survive. Here they would just live with rest of family until they actually have money to move out. Even if they do not have good job and much money, they can still share house and food with family, and be ok. Why must everyone have their own house, their own car, and their own everything?

Americans are trained to attack anyone who lives with their parents; you can find examples of this all over the site.  As such, they have this idea that they must live by themselves, even if it means sacrificing their potential futures, just to ensure nobody thinks lesser of them.  Once this condition is met, the individual is then accepted as a participating member of society, and never a moment before.
697  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's wrong with unequal wealth distribution? (Was: 2013-12-10 Bitcoin Proves.. on: December 15, 2013, 03:21:50 AM
If rich value them and use them to trade, why would they be useless? Can you trade 1 kilogram bars of gold? No. But I bet you wish you could.

'cause they can't pay them "slaves" nor "bread"

I do not understand.

You're not alone Tongue

even worse that i understand that(why) you guys don't understand

You don't even understand Bitcoin.
698  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 50% off Bitcoin accepting ltc on: December 15, 2013, 03:19:09 AM
https://vircurex.com/
699  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is ButterflyCoin really dead? on: December 15, 2013, 01:50:51 AM
Never ever heard of it.
700  Other / Off-topic / Re: How much money have you ever made online? on: December 15, 2013, 01:47:39 AM
14 BTC was the max I held at one time Tongue  I got it through selling my painting services.
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