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1121  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What is freedom? on: November 06, 2013, 06:34:31 AM
Freedom is to practice ethics.

So, let's compare:

If you have the right to vote, if you live in state with a working separation of legislative, executive and judicial functions and if you have the right to emigrate, I think you are free. 

First, let's understand what rights are.  A right exists between two or more people who agree a specified behavior should be shared equally.  If I say, "Hawker, I want the right to free speech," I must then say, "I will also allow you free speech if you promise not to impede mine."  You say, "Okay that sounds reasonable," and thus, a right is born.  As more people recognize these rights we share and decide they, too, would like these rights, so these rights spread and become a societal norm; the majority, then, has power over the minority, who would say "I don't want the right to free speech"; since most of us like this right, we typically make up the majority and overrule what they want.

Now, let's take emigration, for example.  The state, in a hypothetical situation, has decided that nobody can emigrate or immigrate due to terrorist threats; all borders are regulated shut and everyone is on a temporary no-fly list, except for certain important members of the state.  Despite individuals agreeing that there is a right to emigrate, they had this right artificially removed by an external source of power.  The fundamental purpose of a right has been tarnished; we can no longer call this a right, though we commonly believed it to be before; we must now call this as it is properly identified, a privilege.  You had the privilege to emigrate, and it was taken away.  Ergo, if the state controls the borders, and can decide, without individual approval, to close those borders, you do not have the right to emigrate, you are privileged to.  This applies today to no-fly lists; if it's possible to have your right to flight taken away, you never had a right to flight to begin with, you had a privilege to use the airlines.  A right which can be taken away is a privilege.

With this distinction in mind, we can name many privileges which are egregiously referred to as rights; the privilege to free speech, until the state needs you silenced; the privilege to bear arms, until the state needs you disarmed; the privilege to emigrate, until the state needs you to stay put; the privilege to occupation, until the state needs you in the military.  We can go on and on, but the basic idea is there; if you can call these rights, I can call a swine handsome.

Anyway, because we cannot practice this philosophy on our own, we must succumb to the whims of whomever does have this freedom, i.e. the republic in the case of America, our politicians.  If they say, "Killing this nation's soldiers and civilians and stealing their oil is right", or in our case, if a single man in a suit says it's okay, then it is okay.  Do you object to murder?  Too bad; you have no privilege to practice ethics, and whether or not you believe killing is wrong, you will be paying for it.  Do you object to theft?  Too bad; you have no privilege to decide if you'll be stolen from or not.  Do you object to threats?  Too bad; you will be threatened if you fail to comply.  Because these decisions on ethics can only be made by the state, you are crippled to make decisions on what is right and what isn't.  You have no right to be a human being under these standards, as you are stripped of your right to be virtuous; you have only the privilege of being a citizen, and you are as vicious as the men who represent you.

So what is freedom?  Simply put, freedom is to have rights, including the right to grant them, or not.
1122  Other / Off-topic / Re: World Of Warcraft is it worth playing? on: November 05, 2013, 07:59:49 AM
I played this game in super-fast mode (on private/fun servers) for the length of a highschool summer as various characters.

It's addictive; it isn't fun, in fact it is very dull and uninteresting.  It's a time sink, and if you're paying for it, a cash sink.  If you're going to play, play with a close friend.  You will be bored incredibly otherwise.  With this in mind, you can do anything with that close friend and have about the same amount of fun.  And if you're going to play, use the private servers first; they're not as good, but it's a good indication as to whether you can put up with it for long.  It is literally designed by people whose positions are explicitly to ensure you remain addicted to the game, i.e. manipulation.  There's a lot of stuff that will keep you hooked, especially in skill building and leveling up and items which you want to use but can't because you need the levels, but the mechanics of the game aren't much more than click on appropriate monster relative to your level, errand-running (go here fetch that, and kill this get X amount of item are the majority of the quests you'll run into), repeat until you're max level and raided enough for top tier armor, whatever the top is now, and then start over.  The only appeal is the social appeal and that can be found anywhere nowadays; it was a niche back when MMOs weren't popular, but nowadays its age really shows.

There's a new game I've been playing lately named Path of Exile; it's a Diablo clone, and it's free (sustained primarily with microtransactions for vanity junk, similar to TF2.)  I would recommend that over WoW if you're looking for a point-and-click action-RPG experience; it's more challenging, it's multiplayer, and you don't have to deal with a bunch of fat supremacist neckbeards (not saying all WoW players are like that, just an unusually concentrated amount.)
1123  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Competition in the Emergency Room Marketplace? on: November 05, 2013, 07:35:43 AM
Here's a place where the free market doesn't apply for the free market requires rational actors; there's nothing rational about getting hurt, passing out, and waking up in a hospital with a bill.
 
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Why would the free market not apply?  What can be more rational then planning properly for emergencies that involve you living or dying?  If anything it's irrational to hope that some government run "free" emergency care will help you out.

Because it's focused primarily not on the best price, but on the best speed; decisions are measured in how fast your emergency can be turned into a non-emergency, and spares no time for you, or the person who will not be footing your bill but calling for you, to decide the best price for the best value.  The hospital which is closest always takes precedence over the hospital which provides the best service for the best price; it's not a free market problem once an emergency is involved, because you cannot act rationally while on the verge of dying.

Which is why the problem is primarily solved before there is an issue; the free market applies to everything except this one moment, where you and your saviors are paired by non-market values.  If there is a man who will say "No, I'd rather spend another 20 minutes in this ambulance than spend an extra bit of cash at this place", assuming he can still speak and think clearly, I'd like to meet him for I'm positive he's an interesting fellow.

Though I do agree, I am tired of hearing about emergency services justifying taxation and central law.
1124  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State laws compared to Gods laws on: November 05, 2013, 07:23:40 AM
Take notes, folks; this is precisely the logic used for history's first empires.
1125  Other / Meta / Re: (PETITION) The act of BUYING/SELLING Bitcointalk.org Accounts (Poll) on: November 05, 2013, 07:19:25 AM
You cannot ban account selling because you cannot know which accounts are being sold.  The only thing this petition would provide is an illusion, which exacerbates the problem, because the public would have no clue that it even occurs.

This website is not in a vacuum; honestly, the Internet's a big place, believe me.
1126  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State laws compared to Gods laws on: November 05, 2013, 07:07:30 AM
back on topic

The state is the minister of good unto you.

People who are doing good should have nothing to fear from the state or its laws.

People who do evil do have reason to fear the state and the state laws.

And of all the evil the state accomplishes, who do they fear?  Certainly not God.
1127  Other / Off-topic / Re: My daily schedule-Share yours too! on: November 05, 2013, 07:05:50 AM
Wake up
Wake up again
Wake up a third time, groggy
Breakfast
Paint for clients
Paint for fun
Lunch
Worry about religion and politics
Think about writing book
Work on completely separate book
Worry in bed
Dinner
Netflix
Continue painting for clients
Worry about funds
Think about moving to another nation
Late night gaming
Sleep
Wake up
Worry about sleep
Sleep
1128  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State laws compared to Gods laws on: November 05, 2013, 06:54:45 AM
You are only making any kind of point at all with other non-believers vod. But by mocking as you have done a few times, you are making yourself look bad to the rest of us. I think you said you are from Canada?
I think that most of the politicians in canada say they believe in Jesus, or they may not use those words, but may say they have christian affiliations somehow. I think steven harper is a christian.

George Bush was being interviewed, and they asked George who he thought was the most important person in history...

George Bush replied: "Jesus Christ!"

The most important person in history, and I agree with George Bush on that one.

Believing in jesus does not make us stupid vod.

Rather, the bible tells us: 'BE WISE AS SERPENTS, BUT HARMLESS AS DOVES'

Let's try this from the top:

Who wrote the Bible?
1129  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State laws compared to Gods laws on: November 05, 2013, 06:51:26 AM
I thought the state kind of had its beginnings because of people wanting or needing a leader?
And it grows from that, and becomes the state.

Also, transgressions occur, and people want or need some rules. Once again, justifications for the state.

There's a big difference between people following a leader and people belonging to a ruler; difference being, whether or not you can stop following him once he decides to jump off a cliff.

People make their own rules; even this forum has its own special set of rules, and no higher authority had to invent them; they were picked because they've been practiced before and seem to work.  Some people use higher authorities to back their made-up rules with force; this is why God and the state exist.  This occurs when a set of rules aren't best for everyone, and the most powerful individual decides he doesn't care what's best for everyone, only what's best for him (which is nearly always.)  It works out well with people who don't know any better, not so much with everyone else.
1130  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Competition in the Emergency Room Marketplace? on: November 05, 2013, 06:29:43 AM
Here's a place where the free market doesn't apply for the free market requires rational actors; there's nothing rational about getting hurt, passing out, and waking up in a hospital with a bill.

Here's some solutions, anyway:

Emergency centers close enough to each other that they must compete; you can then, if requiring further treatment, figure out the hospital of your choosing at your leisure.

Refusal to use any hospital for non-emergencies which does not offer competitive prices for emergencies; this pressures the hospital to offer better prices or sell off to whomever is.

Pre-determined prices paid in advance, mixed in a large pool of other people's advanced payments, to marginalize the cost of varying emergency service costs (i.e. insurance.)

Stop being careless about your health so you won't have to worry about it.

And of course, all of the above.
1131  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State laws compared to Gods laws on: November 05, 2013, 06:02:28 AM
People create laws.  God and the state are inventions of people to objectify justice.  There's a small group of people who are pointing out that justice is subjective, but nobody really listens to them.
1132  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Health Care Accountability on: November 05, 2013, 05:37:35 AM
Jesus christ is the law that came in the flesh and the law was nailed to the cross.

Only thing people need to know about this thread.
1133  Other / Off-topic / Re: Feeling stressed? on: November 03, 2013, 10:37:06 PM
I'm just asking because I wanna know.

You already know:

They wanna feel like life is hard on them >.<

What's left to say?  Your cup's full.
1134  Other / Off-topic / Re: Feeling stressed? on: November 03, 2013, 10:24:27 PM
Why would I need a break from reality?
...and any other breaks.

Such as this one?  If it's not useful to you, pay no attention to it.
1135  Other / Off-topic / Re: Feeling stressed? on: November 03, 2013, 09:27:14 PM
and it's true that it doesn't help with real stress, quite some people make small things become stressful for them. They wanna feel like life is hard on them >.<

Sometimes you just need a break from reality; then you can go back to being stressed.  Of course it cannot cure your stress; only you can solve that problem by facing the problem causing the stress.
1136  Other / Off-topic / Feeling stressed? on: November 03, 2013, 08:55:49 PM
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1137  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Does Anyone Else Believe In Jesus Christ ? on: November 03, 2013, 08:30:47 PM
I think the difference between us is though we both seem to question, experiment, and seek answers we are on two seperate sides of the fence. Not meant to know, meant to know, I dont know. I came into this line of work due to my own personal fears and questions regarding death. After years upon years of doing this I still do not have all the answers, but the way I also see it is that I am still breathing so there must still be something I can learn. I believe in a spiritual world, I can list countless reasons why I do but they would likely all lead back down a similar path to here if posted. I feel as though you guys are thinking because I say I have faith I consider my journey over. Its not and my life is not easy at all. Im not a guy who even goes to church. I am full of fault. Drugs and sex can easily cloud one's mind and derail their lives and I spent many years "derailed". I would be lying to pretend I am invincible to temptation. The difference between myself and a cookie cutter Christian is I do not feel like a different person. I live amongst sinners and at times sin myself but I keep on going because I believe there is something more. It is something that I believe because it is directly related to events in my own life. The fact that your questioning is a good thing and I find it encouraging. You like myself are likely to continue discovering and forming opinions as long as you are still alive, no?

Death does not discrimnate against belief. +1,000,000. My friend I have yet to see the reaper even care about sex, race, creed, level of education, etc... Death is the great equalizer.

There's nothing wrong with having faith; I was very faithful growing up, attending church and praying into my adult years.  However, after so long, I felt there was something more to life that I wasn't seeing; faith wasn't cutting it for me, so I started to delve into my own questioning of the world.  It's a long process; every day I'm finding out new things, and realizing things I used to believe in were very unlikely to be true, and I can't say I've come to the conclusions I have today without years of thought.  We all have faith, I believe, at certain times of our life, but ultimately I view faith as a crutch; I do not believe there are unanswerable questions, and if we dig deep enough, I've found that we can always form a rational conclusion as to what occurs in the world around us, so we can no longer have to rely on faith, we can prove to people that our beliefs are the truth.

This inevitably, however, removed my belief in God and I can safely say my code of ethics are my own, so although I can view the teachings of J. Christ, I don't necessarily believe he was the end-all to the philosophy; I believe we shouldn't work towards being like him, but to become better, so that improvements can be made in this world and the immoral people of this world can be brought to justice.  This can only happen if we refuse to accept faith, for there are people who have taken advantage of this faith for as long as we've had it, and use the rational method (as I explained earlier) which, when used successfully, cannot be exploited.  We both know that there are people in this world who use faith as an excuse or feel that faith is the only thing required in life, but I feel you and I are wiser than that.

Once a person has faith that there is God (in the proper sense of the word), why be worried that he would deceive or betray that trust? Isn't he omnipotent, faultless, and ubiquitous?

Job 13:15 “Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him.”

If you're familiar with the story of Job, that's a man committed to a faith that God has mapped out all things to "work together for my good". That's pretty amazing considering that Job lost everything he had, even his health and his children. Intellectual reasoning is helpless when faced with the idea of the super-power that God is. Its like Hamlet contemplating Shakespeare.

That seems to be the key to the loop; there is absolute faith in God only when unaware that the faith is directly on man, for it is man alone who claims to put forth the word of God;

I disagree, God's word states over and over that his word is true and unchanging.

Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (Jesus Christ, Son of God by his own claim) (Mark 13:31)

To believe in God as told by the world's religions is to believe that man is perfect and unable to lie.

I disagree. Men do lie, but they do not lie endlessly, therefore your statement doesn't follow. However, an omnipotent God would be perfect and unable to lie, therefore he would be actively capable of preserving his word as he says he does.

if God is necessary, man cannot reliably speak for him, and if God is not necessary, man would not write of him anyway.

I disagree. God is omnipotent, and ensures that those who write of him do so reliably and with truth. There are many religious books written by men's hand; very few make some of the claims the bible does, and NONE make all the claims the bible does. One would expect the one true God to ensure this, as he is faithful to protect his integrity.

It would seem, then, this cycle is broken most effectively by making the middle man an obvious and unavoidable element which faith must pass through to get to God, else all religions would divert into flavorless deism for though man can trust God, for God is omnipotent, man cannot trust man, especially if man can write himself legitimate by writing God as having said so.

I disagree. Men make many claims in writing, many of which are true. Should all books should be burned because men sometimes lie? Do you agree that books can usually be trusted, since at the time they are written, they can be peer reviewed and their claims either falsified & cast into ridicule or printed and accepted as legitimate documents? The bible is the most studied, peer-reviewed, and best selling book of all time. That speaks volumes (pun intended).



God must first pass through man to reach the believer; without man, God speaks no word, and still to this day has not.  Therefore, all that God says is dependent on man being honest.  We know that man cannot be honest at all times.  Therefore, we cannot prove God's word to be God's word, we can only prove that it is man's word; ergo, God is only as omnipotent as we believe him to be.  This is just the logic I'm laying out for the believer Tongue  They can take it or discard it if they want.

I'm not saying the Bible is true or false; I'm saying it cannot be absolute, so God's word cannot be absolute.  We should not burn any books due to men lying for either those books are intentional lies (of which I love), or they are observable truths (such as the writing of many philosophers and scientists, which can be proven to be lies or not.)  If the individual cannot discern what is real and what is not on their own, they cannot trust any book asserted as truth, including religious texts, including political texts.  The beginning of this distrust, I believe, is by making obvious that books of absolute truth are only as honest as man, which is something any believer can relate with.
1138  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What should be the Goal(s) of Government? on: November 03, 2013, 07:56:31 PM
If it's more beneficial to co-operate with others then that's what most people will do.  This whole thing about anarchy being chaos and survival of the fittest is a complete myth.   The few that decide they want to steal and kill will find themselves outnumbered by the many and subject to being rounded up by security.

If government is, for the most part, a monopoly protection service (ie. racket) then an anarchic situation would have competitive protection services that aren't tied to the land.  ie. you are free to choose your level of protection rather than the one size fits all and you are forced to pay.  

It's human nature for psychopaths to kill and steal.  But they are a small percentage of the population.  Most people want decent lives where they look after their children, have fun with friends, etc.  They don't want a situation where week after week they are thinking about who they are going to have to steal from this time, planning it out, and quite likely having to commit at least one murder in the process.  I don't know about you but most people I know would find that lifestyle horrifying.   No, what people do when they form communities is they start getting the market process, division of labour going for the benefit of all.  Yes, there are always psychopaths that seek to benefit from this but even they don't want a complete breakdown because they know their lives would be much harder.  It's much easier with an abundance of products to steal what you want.   The psychos would be easier to deal with in an anarchic society, unlike the current situation where we put them in government and ask plead with them to be nice, lol.

This is why anarchism cannot occur right now; it's often believed that anarchism is the result of failed government, but this is not true; totalitarianism is the result of failed government.  A people who can self-govern on a national level become anarchists; a people who become entirely dependent on the state become fascists.  Our slow drift into fascism in America is a result of people becoming progressively dependent, which is the exact opposite direction we want to head if it's good progress we're seeking; we want to be free and independent, not enslaved and dependent.

For anarchism to occur, we need a world of rational actors, fit with enough intelligence and maturity to handle themselves without a state, and doubly so to prevent the sociopath from rising to power, as he will always try no matter how far along we've come as a species; the state does not enable society, society enables the state, and enables it varying on how individualistic its citizenry is.  People who seek a small state are almost there, and as I'm sure you've seen, they're gradually becoming a majority; people who seek a huge state cannot trust even themselves, so it comes to no surprise that this is projected onto others.

The state will always occur in a society of irrational people, because they'll always be duped by the sociopaths into believing they cannot survive without it (in the same way we once believed God was necessary in life and the fear of not having him was too great to abandon; rational thinking disposed of this idea in a great many, and increasingly every day.)  Thus, the beginnings of anarchism, a fairly new idea when compared to the state and likewise relevant to the beginning of man's focus on rational thought, will be seen as a natural shift from the state so long as rational actors remain vigilant, and continue to train others in the rational method.  Though you and I can see why this is the preferable method of governance, it can often look like gibberish to others due to this effect.

Only possible way would be to clone same guy over and over, and brainwash him - so there's uniformity. Unachievable otherwise.

This observation, albeit consistent with religion and politics, remains inconsistent in atheism; nobody is brainwashed into believing atheism, and most atheists become so on their own even with a religious upbringing.

If this is true, can we not assert that atheism is the product of rational thinking?  In other words, if you've never been exposed to another atheist and you can still come to the same conclusions, whilst, in comparison, the only way to become a Christian is through other Christians, then we can assert that atheism (weak atheism anyway) is the rational conclusion on the concept of religion.

Looking at this another way: I give you a logic tool.  You use this tool in thoughts about religion and come to a conclusion.

What are the chances that you've reproduced Hinduism?  What are the chances you've reproduced atheism?

This same line of thinking can be applied to morals and ethics; the more this tool spreads, the more uniform people are, for they always seek the best methods of interaction, not the "traditional" methods.  Thus, conclusions such as "do not aggress" become very popular in people with this logic tool, while conclusions like "might is right" die gradually with nobody to preach it.
1139  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Supporter Of (Forced) Wealth Redistribution, Is Named To Obama’s Climate Change on: November 03, 2013, 07:15:44 PM
As is common: mask the underlying intent, i.e. extend governmental control over private land and business via socialism, with a perceivably good intention, i.e. save the planet.

These actions are the sign of a desperate state; "act now before it's too late" sort of thing, which is a good move since the public's starting to realize what's happening here.  Throwing away the left/right debacle, it becomes very clear what's happening: we're coming a step closer to totalitarianism, increasing the state's control over our private lives (not that there was much left), and there's no way to stop it through the system; not even the president can be bothered to follow the system.

We'll soon have to come to the conclusion that a very serious change needs to be made, by us, or we'll veer onward over the cliff that is fascism; once we hit that point, there's no going back until total economic collapse, and there's no telling what a desperate nation will do at that point; America's shiny expensive army isn't there for show.
1140  Other / Off-topic / Re: Which operating system(s) do you use? (Poll) on: November 03, 2013, 08:55:39 AM
I've been using, or trying to use Linux for the past 10 years, in my opinion, for the first time with Ubuntu 13.04, Linux is ready for regular folks now. For me at least it's just working pretty much perfectly.

Yes, it's a great OS, and I want to use it, but my kind of work demands the Windows OS unfortunately Sad  My graphics tablet requires proprietary drivers that are only currently emulated on Linux, so a lot of the features don't work.  The list of software is quite limited as well; it's getting better all the time, but as of right now, the best I can get is nowhere close, nor used professionally, as to what is available on Win/Mac.  That whole open source thing Tongue

Besides that, I can use Ubuntu very well for writing, browsing the web (and there's not a lot you can't do with a browser nowadays), playing around with C++ and stuff of that nature.  It's noticeably faster as well, especially Lubuntu.
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