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1001  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Partnership between Facebook and police could make planning protests impossible on: November 15, 2013, 06:52:01 PM
I can certainly go along with your ideals, its fair, honest, and overall what society should be like. Although human nature doesn't often allow such situations, people are evil, greedy and will not hesitate to devour others in order to further their own gain, or their own pleasure. Humanity is not ready for such an advanced society to be 'stateless.' Thats why we have laws in place, legislature and law enforcement to take those not able to live within society away. Sadly as countries grow, the laws grow more complex and standards set in the past may get overlooked in order to police new frontiers of those not fit for society.

I agree with you; precisely because humanity is not mature enough to handle anarchism, we rely on the state in order to survive together.  Anarchism would never work if it suddenly occurred now, as it would always devolve back into the state system, e.g. Somalia.  However, I do believe we can work towards this goal through steady improvements in the educational system (here's a good video about it) and slow but steady progress in how parents raise their children, to impart peace and integrity.  Though I'm certain I won't live to see this moment, I don't believe we should discard the notion as impossible, and instead work towards liberation, not away; those who agree with the state system are, of course, thinking about the right now, and I'm very grateful for it, but I can't accept this as the final destination of mankind, the notion of "this is as good as it's going to get", and so I do believe a plan would be beneficial to us; nobody wants another society like WWII Germany, I'm certain, and yet if we aren't positive about our goals for a better world, we seem to always push away from it, toward a completely dominant state, which is what I truly fear.
1002  Other / Meta / Re: Rules on: November 15, 2013, 06:42:42 PM
Exactly what I thought. It's the closest thing to what he have got. Rules are normally explained in detail and have different variables. But, this was thought up within 2 minutes and just posted.

That's the trouble with rules "set-in-stone"; once you lay them down, people do whatever they can to circumvent them, and have a safe place to point out that they are, in fact, not breaking the rules, even if their behavior is negative--then you gotta make more rules and more rules until nobody can take the time to read them anymore, and then you're back where you started.  Without them, people are forced to act like adults Tongue
1003  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Partnership between Facebook and police could make planning protests impossible on: November 15, 2013, 06:38:00 PM
Yall aren't one to talk about assumptions, the gov is doing this to us, trying to take this away from me, preventing me from being free...well if you're going to break the law, hell fucking yeah!  There is no conspiracy about it, stop acting like a moron. Its all the anarchist fools thinking up their crazy theories how they think the government is hurting them...I am just calling you on it.

It has nothing to do with conspiracies or "acting like a moron"; it's nothing more than a desire to decentralize lawmakers so the state no longer becomes necessary.  I don't want to stick it to the man.  I don't want to break the law.  I have nothing against government.  All I'm seeking is a society intelligent enough to get along without resorting to violence.

The popular depiction of the anarchist being some teenage fuckwit sporting a green Mohawk, face full of metal and being a general nuisance to everyone around him is no more accurate than every programmer being a WoW-crazed fatty neckbeard living in his mother's basement.  I realize popular media makes this seem true but I assure you they're both pleasant people.
1004  Other / Archival / Re: BUYING YOUR BITCOINTALK ACCOUNTS! on: November 14, 2013, 11:12:05 PM
If thats true, thats both surprising and shocking!. It could be soo easily abused to falisfy a sense of trust in someone who's actually out to scam.

That's why it's allowed; it's even easier to falsify a sense of trust if you don't know accounts are being sold.

This is your fair, legitimate warning: trust nobody, use escrow.
1005  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Partnership between Facebook and police could make planning protests impossible on: November 14, 2013, 10:54:10 PM
I completely agree with all you have sad,
their plan of action is to kill peoples will to protest by taking
small steps toward their real goal to achieve complete control over people like you see in those
many dystopian movies. Because if they take drastic measures people are gonna
react but if they implement their goals step by step people are not gonna
react, they are gonna say, hey maybe a 100$ is not that much so why I would react.
That is pretty much it whats going on.
And to avoid total loss of freedom people
are gonna have to wake up  and raise their level of consciousness and oppress  the
current global trend that is slowly making us modern slaves.

I'm afraid we already are debt slaves; however I believe you are correct, the only way to reverse this process, if it can be reversed (I only say this because it has never happened with history's past empires), is in attempts to make people realize the gravity of the situation we're in and how it can be stopped; accept no amount of hypocrisy, spread the virtue of rationalism, let no one shut you up, and remain prudent.

Keep fighting the good fight Grin
1006  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's Dystopian Future on: November 14, 2013, 10:26:22 PM
Honestly though; good post, but I think the positives will far outweigh the negatives - consider this for one: The defunding of the US government will decrease their ability to wage wars for no reason and suppress the world and their population.

Not just that, it becomes impossible for any nation to build an empire, ever.  You absolutely need a centralized currency to move huge amounts of wealth from citizens and future citizens to the state in order to build an empire, otherwise no tax-payer would ever spring for such a goal.
1007  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Vote No for Coin Validation! on: November 14, 2013, 10:22:57 PM
I kinda do want to see it happen, just to see it crash and burn, but otherwise it'll spare everyone's time if it didn't happen to begin with Tongue
1008  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Partnership between Facebook and police could make planning protests impossible on: November 14, 2013, 10:20:40 PM
This is the real reason why facebook was created in the first
place so the government and its agencies could spy on us.

This doesn't seem likely; I believe the opportunity presented itself only after people started giving up private info on a public site, and then there was an idea for abuse.  Everything about Facebook is still voluntary, so nobody but folks who choose to use it are to blame if their private info gets out.

Aren't social websites like that just creepy tho?  Surely people have better things to do in their free time, but apparently not Tongue
Maybe you are  partially right, but this is a great opportunity for them to test the public and see how are
they gonna react about giving their personal info and losing their privacy and by that you lose part of your freedom.
Which is very beneficial to them, because less freedom means more control and that's what they essentially want.
Sorry if I am little unclear but english is not my first language.

Yes, I believe you're right; much of what is happening today is a test to see how much can be gotten away with.  For example, the horrendous failures of Obamacare doesn't have people rioting in the street; people seem to be upset but they're going to take the 100$ fee or the loss of their initial health care plans, but they're not bothered enough to take action.  If the state can get away with what's happening with the NSA, what's happening with healthcare butchery, what's happening with provoking endless war, without the people who fund all of this to happen getting up in arms about it, which they haven't been, then we're going to continue to inch toward totalitarianism.  Right now they're making private agreements to impose harsh censorship and penalties for Internet usage, and they will get away with it knowing nobody is going to do anything about it.

For example, if I stole from you $50 and you didn't stop me or tell anyone, I'll continue to take from you, since there are no negative repercussions for my actions.  It's the same concept, just on a grander scale.
1009  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Partnership between Facebook and police could make planning protests impossible on: November 14, 2013, 09:51:48 PM
This is the real reason why facebook was created in the first
place so the government and its agencies could spy on us.

This doesn't seem likely; I believe the opportunity presented itself only after people started giving up private info on a public site, and then there was an idea for abuse.  Everything about Facebook is still voluntary, so nobody but folks who choose to use it are to blame if their private info gets out.

Aren't social websites like that just creepy tho?  Surely people have better things to do in their free time, but apparently not Tongue
1010  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Can we create a truly democratic crypto-currency (possible use - voting)? on: November 14, 2013, 12:42:53 PM
It's a cool idea, but the concept conflicts with the goal; if it's decentralized law you're seeking, democracy is the last thing you want.  What you want is to decentralize lawmakers, not voters; the voters are already decentralized well enough.  Democracy's only purpose is to centralize law and give the illusion of choice; you still need a hierarchy for the creation of law and law enforcement, otherwise what's the point in a democracy?--you're better off passing laws with your peers.  Better than a democracy is a course in philosophy; then you can do out of free will what others can only do out of fear of law.

Also, who is going to pay for all these machines?  And who is going to wait in line for them?
1011  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Was Perfect...............And Then Came The Utopians! on: November 14, 2013, 12:12:01 PM
The PERFECT underground currency; a peer-to-peer virtual currency, free from government control and interference; free from taxation if you had worked it properly, untraceable and the ideal currency for a completely anonymous world-wide network of free marketers, buyers, sellers, investors...

I think the Utopians you're referring to believe this to be Utopian and themselves normal Tongue
1012  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Has Bitcoin changed your political position on: November 14, 2013, 10:43:06 AM
Oh yes, that's a big deal. Our cultural operating system has connected Anarchy to Chaos by simple association, by saying it over and over again. Kind of like "freedom and democracy" is a widely used phrase. So let me point out, that if it is "Anarchy AND Chaos" and "Freedom AND Democracy" this logically means that anarchy is NOT chaos and freedom is NOT democracy. Otherwise the words in the sentences would be redundant Smiley

The whole discussion surrounding anarchy is always so weird. People saying we can't live without rules and then claiming in Anarchy there would be chaos. Even though they themselves are living proof that people are absolutely obsessed with creating rules. Of course there would be rules in Anarchy. There would just be a lack of an universal set of rules, applicable to everybody (except those with the means to bribe the system) and enforceable by a central authority with the legal monopoly on the initiation of force. That's all. Oh an maybe, just maybe, having 100s of different kinds of something is preferable to having only one of it. You know, like, central point of failure kind of thingy. And a little something called "diversity" - I just had this incredible thought, that maybe not everyone is exactly alike.  Grin

We fear most what we misunderstand Tongue
1013  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Has Bitcoin changed your political position on: November 14, 2013, 08:04:42 AM
the thing is, if you want a "real" anarchist society, you'd need a central government or force to ensure that nobody gains too much power and influence on society.. which kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

So you're saying, the only way to have a society without coercion...is to be coercive?  You're going in circles here; you're recreating what we already have.  Any reason in particular why people can't simply reject coercion?
1014  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: November 14, 2013, 07:25:11 AM
Blaming the victims for the violent actions of their aggressors is one of the distorted values that capitalism teaches.

This is why I stopped taking Peter seriously Tongue
1015  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Has Bitcoin changed your political position on: November 14, 2013, 12:46:45 AM
Many people are scared by the name anarchy I think.  They don't realise that much of their lives are already anarchic.  

Decentralized governance sounds safer Tongue

I prefer the name Voluntaryism.
This also more positively defines the goal. Namely that all interactions should be voluntary.

The name "anarchism" only defines what it should be not (no ruling hierarchy).

I like that one; let's roll with voluntaryism Grin
1016  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Has Bitcoin changed your political position on: November 14, 2013, 12:34:53 AM
Many people are scared by the name anarchy I think.  They don't realise that much of their lives are already anarchic. 

Decentralized governance sounds safer Tongue
1017  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-11-13 Forbes: Sanitizing Bitcoin: Company Wants To Track 'Clean' Bitcoins on: November 13, 2013, 07:33:47 PM
If they get it to work, it'll catch a large share of the uninformed masses just using bitcoin on common platforms. There's no way though it'll stop anyone from staying in the dark. That's why, in the end, this is snake-oil-software, no more, no less.

+100,000,000

There is no person on this planet who deals in shady business and isn't fully aware of all the risks involved.  As usual with these half-baked plots, only honest people get the shit end of the stick.

“Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security.”
--B. Franklin
1018  Economy / Services / Re: Mike's Art Shop on: November 13, 2013, 06:40:41 PM
And then suddenly, an influx of graphic designers.

Sorry Mike  Tongue

Very nice work though, your style of illustration is seamless. I'm envious of concept designers and illustrators; the line of work I originally wanted to go into when I first went to art school!

I'm glad you like Grin  You shouldn't envy me however, this kind of art is incredibly challenging and time-consuming compared to the pay and frequency of work, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone Tongue  But if you have a resistance to both pain and depression, it's never too late to start; check out these books by Andrew Loomis, they'll teach you everything you would ever want to know about drawing.

I love drawing I think the problem is i don't know the best way to clean up the line-work of a scanned drawing. Tracing the work as paths in Illustrator never seems to retain the organic-ness of the original.

Yeah lineart is a really tough gig; fortunately I'm a painter so I never have to worry about having clean lineart Grin  The best way I know how to do it is to take an opacity brush at 75% hardness in photoshop and clean it up by hand; vector paths always makes it look way too perfect, and you can't do much about line thickness (at least as far as I know) so I try to avoid it, unless I really gotta use it.  I think I'd go crazy having to clean up lineart, it's such a time-consuming process, but for those who can go through with it, the results look really nice; some artists are incredible at lineart.
1019  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Has Bitcoin changed your political position on: November 13, 2013, 08:57:25 AM
i really do think the anarchists around here are actually people who want to live in utopian societies, but they use "anarchy" instead because that sounds more achievable.

I disagree; consider the goal of anarchism:

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Anarchism is a political philosophy that advocates stateless societies based on non-hierarchical free associations.

It's a clearly defined method of governance based around as much freedom as can be possible; as said, it can only work with secular rationalism, but it's a realistic goal.  Utopian implies a society which is unobtainable, which is also perfect; this cannot be, since people are not perfect and so we can never expect for there to be a utopia; in my opinion, utopia is synonymous with dystopia, and the only way to achieve either is through very extreme methods, none of which I want to try, i.e. Marxism.  I really do encourage you to read about it and make an informed conclusion on it.  There will still be crime and war with anarchism, just a lot less; I don't believe this to be utopian, but it's certainly an improvement, I think.

how is that goal NOT idealism? what we all want is a free society that is not dominated by the powerful and rich.. but realistically, i don't think i can remember a point in history when this has been true. i would like the ideals of anarchism, but it's just not going to happen, especially with 7 billion people on the planet.

It would be idealism, if not for the (albeit very few) examples of anarchism occurring in reality; the best defense I have for the concept is this occurrence of Spanish anarchism.
1020  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Has Bitcoin changed your political position on: November 13, 2013, 08:43:14 AM
i really do think the anarchists around here are actually people who want to live in utopian societies, but they use "anarchy" instead because that sounds more achievable.

I disagree; consider the goal of anarchism:

Quote
Anarchism is a political philosophy that advocates stateless societies based on non-hierarchical free associations.

It's a clearly defined method of governance based around as much freedom as can be possible; as said, it can only work with secular rationalism, but it's a realistic goal.  Utopian implies a society which is unobtainable, which is also perfect; this cannot be, since people are not perfect and so we can never expect for there to be a utopia; in my opinion, utopia is synonymous with dystopia, and the only way to achieve either is through very extreme methods, none of which I want to try, i.e. Marxism.  I really do encourage you to read about it and make an informed conclusion on it.  There will still be crime and war with anarchism, just a lot less; I don't believe this to be utopian, but it's certainly an improvement, I think.
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