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1041  Other / Meta / Re: Rules on: November 12, 2013, 08:22:24 PM
Use your better judgment.
1042  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: scenarios if US Govt tried to take down bitcoin? on: November 12, 2013, 08:20:00 PM
If US government decides to "attack" Bitcoin, it'll go like this:
1. They will send cease and decease letters to all large pools (even the ones outside of US)
2. For those who do not comply, they will turn off domains
3. They will send cease and decease letters to all exchanges (even the ones outside of US)
4. For those who do not comply, they will turn off domains.
Boom! In one week 90% of Bitcoin infrastructure is gone.
Price of BTC plummets close to nothing.
People are afraid of using it because it's "illegal".
Cost to the government less than $100k.

How many of you received cease and decease letter from a government organization?
It's a pretty traumatic experience... will be enough to scare most people shitless.

   

https://thepiratebay.sx/

Your scenario in effect.
1043  Economy / Economics / Re: Could a government supplant Bitcoin? on: November 12, 2013, 07:50:57 PM
Answer to OP.

Guaranteed.

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3. Bitcoin stops giving coin rewards to miners in 2040

Kinda hard to take someone serious when they have been around for at least six months and don't have even the "Bitcoin top 10 basic facts" down right.

What "fact" do you have in mind sir?

Perhaps you didn't read carefully what I wrote about transaction fees and the withholding transactions attack. Also note that debasement rewards will be below 1% per annum by 2033 roughly.

I careless if you take me seriously. That is irrelevant. The objective outcome is coming whether you like it or not.

You mean you couldn't care less.  Kinda hard to take someone seriously when they've been around for decades and still can't figure out how words work.
1044  Economy / Services / Re: Illustrations & Concept art on: November 12, 2013, 07:19:16 PM
You're incredible, wonderful to see you've taken an interest in Bitcoin Grin  I hope to be on your level of expertise someday.
1045  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin community is wacko, cultist, fun, but flim-flam, agreed? on: November 12, 2013, 06:31:09 PM
This is what happens to folks who don't do their homework.
1046  Economy / Services / Re: Mike's Art Shop on: November 12, 2013, 05:25:01 PM
Very nice work, keep it up!

I've bookmarked this page for future reference.

Glad to hear it Grin
1047  Other / Meta / Re: Is Theymos anonymous? on: November 12, 2013, 05:09:53 PM
I always thought Theymos was a wizard of some sort.
1048  Other / Off-topic / Re: What should I have to eat? on: November 12, 2013, 05:07:42 PM
1049  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Has Bitcoin changed your political position on: November 12, 2013, 05:07:06 AM
some people here seem to welcome anarchist ideals.. but i can't go with that. in an anarchy, it's a fight for survival because there will be people are hungry to climb the ladder from the power vaccum. there would either be war or slavery everywhere. and yes, i know that we are under economic slavery right now, but that's not what i mean. in my mind, it would lead to lots of death and war. at the same time, i know capitalism is fucked up.. so i don't even pretend to know the answer.

Yes; when you're dealing with a society of barbarians, you can only expect this; anarchism just happens to highlight this best, whereas totalitarianism hides it best; this does not remove the barbarians either way, the barbarians just form the best society for them, which typically involves you beneath their foot, either literally or economically or spiritually et al.  Anarchism can only function with a society of rational thinkers, which I believe is what we should be working towards, not away.  My analysis is that all forms of government are temporary until we achieve secular rationalism, whereupon such an event the state naturally becomes unnecessary, much the same way a person no longer relies on their parents to make decisions for them upon realizing they can make such decisions on their own.

Check out this book for an easy explanation on anarchism; the situation you've described is not the political philosophy of anarchism, just a passing tide until another state can be installed, i.e. Somalia.  The anarchist society does not mean no rules, it simply means no rulers, and it is the only method of governance that you can ever hope the law to be reliably and uniformly upheld.

Yes, I used to want smaller government.

Socialist now eh? You'll soon come running back once they've got you doing brain surgery on minimum wage. With a quality assurance inspector inspecting your work. And a quality assurance inspector inspecting the quality assurance inspection.

Knowing Elwar, I don't think he's referring to a larger government, either.
1050  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Has Bitcoin changed your political position on: November 12, 2013, 02:43:38 AM
haha, former right-winger here.  So glad to meet you in the middle, friend!  I made the journey in the years leading up to Bitcoin.

What was the defining moment when you realized you were an anarchist?
1051  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Has Bitcoin changed your political position on: November 12, 2013, 02:23:56 AM
More right leaning? left leaning?  For me its reaffirmed my libertarian stance.

So you're more conservative now?

i don't get why libertarians are supposed to be more conservative? if anything, they are more conservative on fiscal policy, but for social issues they are definitely liberal. a lot of conservatives label themselves as libertarians, but they are just conservatives.

I'm still getting over the fact that liberal means the opposite of what it used to mean and so we had to invent an entirely new word for the concept.
1052  Economy / Services / Re: Eddie's Graphic Design on: November 12, 2013, 01:31:12 AM


My most recent business card. The idea to try engage the recipient in interacting with the card rather than simply putting pocketing it was tackled by presenting one side as a simple word search. I would circle a particular message in the word search to customise it for the individual I was presenting it to. The word 'Hello' is also included in over 10 languages. I can't even find them all anymore myself!

It isn't much to look at but I quite like that the concept is simple and isn't driven by imagery. And when printed on a top quality card stock it's pretty sweet and it definitely stands out.

This is just too cool; was this commissioned or just something you did in your spare time?
1053  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Has Bitcoin changed your political position on: November 12, 2013, 01:26:06 AM
I went straight from a democrat to an anarchist in a matter of a few months; honestly, I blame myrkul Cheesy
1054  Economy / Services / Re: Mike's Art Shop on: November 12, 2013, 01:21:35 AM
You have talent! Any good at landscape at medieval guards?

Thanks you kindly Grin  I don't paint landscapes often but I am capable; what do you have in mind?
1055  Economy / Services / Re: Altitude graphic design service. on: November 12, 2013, 01:18:39 AM
Mike, I have modified neo2040's logo, well, actually designed one similar to it, and added some of the details and symmetry, using precise guides, grids, and typography from online tutorials. I now present Mike's Art Shop 3.0:


This faces the same problems as before; the typeset is much too bland and uninteresting, and it doesn't fit well as it's own individual logo; it has no individualistic characteristic that would separate it from another logo; if I were to use this logo, one might mistake me as one who was uninspiring, perhaps "default".  What's worse is the glow; this entirely and thoroughly prevents this logo from sitting by itself; try removing the opaque background to a transparency and the glow easily clips on the top and bottom corners.  If you decide to use a glow, it must be a part of the logo itself; think of the logo as a unit, the entire logo as one whole unit, instead of a combination of parts.  Take another look at the logos I presented in the last critique; there's a staunch difference, right?  There's  many differences; one of which is energy.  There is strength behind those words, there's symbolism; the biker logo is dark, gritty, dangerous, because that's how bikers like to be portrayed; the logo for the band makes perfect sense, the whole thing, being one unit, appears as though it is some kind of aerial craft flying upwards; very fitting.  Although they are a mixture of different bits, they all fit together seamlessly and elegantly, forming one individual logo.

Again, I encourage you to take a long, long look at popular logos; look at the logos of your favorite shows, your favorite bands, your favorite video games, and recognize that there is always a theme to every logo:



For example, let's practice some theory: why does this logo look this way?  What kind of game will you expect out of a logo like this?



And again here: what would you expect from a game with this type of logo?  Why did they choose these specific elements to illustrate what to expect out of this title?

Edit: Just to point out, Eddie's logo was just for laughs; don't try that with any artists, unless not being mainstream is too mainstream for your client Grin
1056  Economy / Services / Re: Mike's Art Shop on: November 12, 2013, 01:02:35 AM
And then suddenly, an influx of graphic designers.

Sorry Mike  Tongue

Very nice work though, your style of illustration is seamless. I'm envious of concept designers and illustrators; the line of work I originally wanted to go into when I first went to art school!

I'm glad you like Grin  You shouldn't envy me however, this kind of art is incredibly challenging and time-consuming compared to the pay and frequency of work, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone Tongue  But if you have a resistance to both pain and depression, it's never too late to start; check out these books by Andrew Loomis, they'll teach you everything you would ever want to know about drawing.
1057  Economy / Services / Re: Altitude graphic design service. on: November 12, 2013, 12:43:57 AM
Throw in a paintbrush and a twirly moustache and I'm in business Cool



LOL

Now I gotta use it Tongue
1058  Economy / Services / Re: Altitude graphic design service. on: November 12, 2013, 12:22:13 AM
Surprised no one's busted this cliché out yet.  Cool



I kid. Futura doesn't deserve that kind of bastardisation. I do admittedly quite like the concept just needs better execution.

Edit: That Lunar Pilots logo is so clean.

Throw in a paintbrush and a twirly moustache and I'm in business Cool
1059  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Tithing on: November 11, 2013, 11:54:01 PM
No, cause I'm no member of the church.

But here in Germany we even have a Church Tax. So if you are in the church you automatically pay a ~3,5% Tax to the church every month: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchensteuer_%28Deutschland%29

Maybe that's why we have so many Unchurched here  Wink

But Akka, don't you see, the church can only be funded through taxation.

What?  Donations?!  Impossible...
1060  Economy / Services / Re: Altitude graphic design service. on: November 11, 2013, 11:36:01 PM
Another member had messaged me asking for a critical analysis of his logos and advice on making the exchange with a potential client; I'll go ahead and post it here, since we're on the topic of budding designers.



hey,

in this Thread you did make the offer to give feedback for logos with the name of your shop, here we go:

#1 Was the first idea that came to my mind. Hope you have such a big smile in reallife =D


#2 The square with "shop" in it is a drawboard Wink


#3 Just had to do this one too, Art is the sun and it spins like our creative minds some times


You can freely use these logos and ill make changes if you want. I work with illustrator cs4 and can send you the .ai files. The logos are vector based, so you can scale them to whatever format you like.

Do you think i can earn btc here with such logos? Your artwork is really good, did you earn btc with them? Do you use an escrow service to handle orders, or how does it work?

Thanks for the attention =)

Sincerely,
neo2040

Hey there; I'm glad you've trusted my taste in graphic, it's a compliment in and of itself Tongue  Forgive me if I'm brash in my review, but I'd rather you hear the honest truth than get a pat on the back.

The best one would probably be #3; in my first critique for Altitude, I had mentioned that beauty can be found in symmetry, which is this logo's strongest point; also, it just so happens that my signature is in the shape of the sun--I'm not sure if that was intentional, but that is another strong point, understanding what the client is seeking and giving them just what they want.  However, the logo doesn't quite have a 'punch'; I believe it can have more of a bite to it.  For example, the sun is viewed as something with rays of light and fire stemming from it, in which it becomes an unmistakeable ball of fire; this sun, frankly, had you not alerted me, looks more like a button, and I wouldn't have thought it anything different otherwise.  Likewise, the fonts used are "safe", meaning you can't really go wrong with using them, but the problem with safe fonts is that, though they're not risky, they're really more of a last resort if nothing else works; a font like this doesn't draw the viewer in, though it is readable.  Specifically dealing with my taste, I would've preferred something both readable but more extreme, perhaps in (legible) cursive or something gothic.  None of these logos really say "Mike's Art Shop", though they might appeal to a local store brand, where such qualities would be preferable; in other words, I'm trying to sell art, not cereal! Grin

Anyway, I'm not really appealed to the first or second logo; the first one is very clever and cute, but what really kills it is twofold: first, the least of your problems, is the decision to point out "shop" instead of "art"; for example, "Mike's" is the first word, and "Shop" has the focus; though art is in the title, it's kinda pushed to the side, despite it being the most important factor, since "Mike's Shop" has no real appeal to the clients I'm looking for.  This is a small issue however; the greater issue is with the smiley face.  If you are to include a graphic (and you really should, they're great fun), you have to ensure that is either beautiful, impressive, wild etc., anything which is interesting, otherwise it will have the opposite effect, a repulsion, which can drag down the rest of the logo.  Make no mistake, iconic images are paramount to identity; everyone knows who deadmau5 is not by "Joel Zimmerman" or by the appearance of his face, but that iconic mouse's head that he wears; place this image anywhere and you know who it belongs to.  The same goes for any icon; you have to put a lot of thought into it, as much as the rest of the logo, to ensure it is appealing and individualistic; this is something you'll pick up only with practice, and you'll get better at it the more often you practice other creative areas, especially drawing.  I wouldn't personally recommend offering people stick figure designs from now on--some friendly advice Tongue

The second one is a bit better than the first namely because the gimmick isn't present; the positioning of the words are both legible and unusual, which does draw the viewer in.  However, the word "shop" is both on a slanted plane and yet not; it's a bit awkward, since you'd expect the word to either slant with the plane or for the plane to not be slanted, unless it was apart of a montage of slanted planes on different colors for example, with the logo on top.  Not much else to say about this one; it otherwise has many of the ailments of the last ones, being the "safe" font and a bit of a mishmash of different styles which loosely relate to each other.

At such a point, I do believe you're capable of doing something great, but you must first develop a deeper understanding of what an artist is and how this can be expressed in words.  For example, if you were doing a logo for, let's say, a biker gang, the logos you've presented would fall greatly short; see for yourself:



If you wanted to create a logo for a pop band, you might go for something like this:



If you were to create a logo for a grocery store, you would rather create something like so:



What you're essentially creating, when developing a logo, is a brand, a way for a person to say, "Oh yeah I recognize this"; a great logo says a lot more than the words it displays, but just as well what to expect from the person/organization behind the logo.  Though these logos can say "Friendly, fast service", they don't really say what I'd like them to; I want a logo which will scream uniqueness, originality, "bohemian" as I described it elsewhere, and most of all talent, qualities anyone searching for an artist would be appealed to.  I'm not sure how long you've been practicing your skill, but always remember that there's no good enough, you can always get better and I would recommend to you trying new logo designs, unusual logo designs, designs people might describe as "quaint" or strange; you have to get out of the safe zone and try something people might not like before being able to determine whether your work is something people would like; once you understand what isn't preferable, you can then understand what is.

Anyway, aside from all that, whether or not you'll find work is entirely dependent on your competition: see here, here and here.  The reason why I can find a decent amount of work is due to there being few fine artists working for Bitcoin; graphic designers, OTOH, are a lot more common if you look around, and they're all competing with one another for work.  A potential client is going to side with whoever is going to provide the best service for the best price; if you can't compete with these fellows and all the others, you'll likely not find a lot of work.  A potential client may ask you for a number of things; if your only option is to say, "Sorry, but I can't/don't know how to do that", then you can't expect to find a lot of business.  Of course, my request wasn't too difficult; it was very open so anyone could potentially accomplish it.  However, if I asked you for a man-banana with a sombrero eating the moon with the words "Life's like a Mexican man-banana: I don't get it either", you might have a lot more trouble with it.  You don't wanna be the guy who turns down money for that reason, so make sure you're ready for such a request.

Typically when I find a client, they'll explain to me what it is they want--let's say, they want a portrait of their daughter.  So I'd ask for an image of the daughter (i.e. the reference material) and quote them a price, with an explanation that I will expect payment about halfway through the painting; if they agree to the price and the conditions (nobody has ever turned me down yet fyi) then I get started.  After a little while, I'll have, for example, a refined sketch, and I'll show the client that I've accomplished the painting halfway through; if they don't like it (nobody has ever done this yet), then we walk away from the deal and I don't work on the painting any further; otherwise, they pay me in the desired amount of BTC and once I have the money in hand, I work on getting the painting done.  Occasionally I will be asked to change something, such as the color of some object, and I'm happy to oblige there; if I were asked to repaint the entire thing, I'd have to ask for compensation again or refuse and risk the negative feedback--so far this hasn't happened.

In another situation, I've been working with an author to draw accompanying images for his novelette; because he and I have worked together several times in the past, I'm allowed full creative control over the drawings and all I have to do is show them to him at the end of the week and he pays me at the rate we agreed on (in this case, $50 per drawing.)  It's usually new clients that you have to take caution with, which is going to be the bulk of your cash.  However, if someone failed to pay me once, I'd have to refuse working for them until payment was received; it's easy to get scammed if you don't stand by your principles.  I haven't personally used escrow yet, but I would recommend it if you're dealing with a risky client who has a history of failing to pay.  The system I've been using so far hasn't let me down, and it doesn't have to deal with a third party which is always a plus; slows down the whole process I think.

I hope this all helps you; as Bob Ross said, “Talent is a pursued interest. Anything that you're willing to practice, you can do.”  So long as you continue at the trade, you'll continue to improve.
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